Thread Number: 59768
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Which new FL to get??? |
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Post# 823995 , Reply# 2   5/18/2015 at 08:31 (3,237 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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I've used both LG and SQ models. The LG was great actually. Never had a problem with it and it cleaned well. the SQ was in an apartment building that I lived in and they seemed to break down often. But I'm sure some of that was due to the fact that it was being used by dozens of people. They did clean well though from what I remember. I was looking at the set when I got my new washer but the $2800 price tag scared me a bit...
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Post# 824059 , Reply# 4   5/18/2015 at 19:59 (3,237 days old) by Imperial70 (MA USA)   |   | |
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GE has some great front loading machines. I also had good luck with Frigidaire. |
Post# 824063 , Reply# 5   5/18/2015 at 20:39 (3,237 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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LG hands down.
Huge 5.0 capacity. About thirty pounds dry load. Great cycles,extremely quiet operation, 1,400 RPM final spin, sanitary cycles, ten year motor warranty, and the best reputation via CR for frequency of repair. I like the interior light you can turn on during any part of any cycle and the automatic magnetic door jarrer. It keeps the door ajar with minimal clearance needed. That helps to eliminate the mildew or mold build up. Awesome washer. It also has the small door you can get to the button catcher from. I clean mine once a month. Neither Speed Queen, Whirlpool,Maytag, nor any Electrolux brands have easy access to the pump like LG. They're the closest to Philco Bendix type washers I've ever used.I like the multi spray recirculation and balancing act they have. Fun to watch and, at first, you'll see how much cleaner and fresh smelling your clean clothes got. |
Post# 824079 , Reply# 7   5/18/2015 at 22:38 (3,237 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 824082 , Reply# 8   5/18/2015 at 23:17 (3,237 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Post# 824096 , Reply# 9   5/19/2015 at 03:57 (3,237 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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The LG is way easier on that. They have a small door just on the right bottom front. You open it, and there is the coin trap and even a drain hose to reduce the water that will spill out. No screws, no potential voiding of the warranty. |
Post# 824119 , Reply# 10   5/19/2015 at 07:17 (3,237 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The SQ is much more heavily built, if you are over 40 it will probably be the last washer you will need to buy.
It is much better to have the full lower access panel than just the little clean-out door, you can easily see and fix other potential problems with greater access, [ and you can't void the warranty, that's just stupid ]
Last evening my last service call was a less than 3 YO LG washer, Broken spider big time, now the whole mess can be crushed and sent back to Korea-China, LOL, you will never see a broken spider on a SQ.
I do wish that SQ did have a heater, but if you want a really hot wash just buy a 120 volt 4 gallon water heater and hook it up with a hose on the cold inlet side. When you want a really hot wash turn on the heater 15 minutes before you start the washer, select cold wash and viola a really hot wash. Jason did this on his SQ FLer and it works great.
But the biggest question is when we build a better product in America WHY ? would anyone want to buy a Korean-Chinese washer that will have poor to nonexistent service, and then with every one complaining that jobs are moving overseas. |
Post# 824123 , Reply# 11   5/19/2015 at 07:53 (3,236 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 824129 , Reply# 12   5/19/2015 at 08:32 (3,236 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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My money would be on the SQ. I personally do not trust these Korean brands like I would more domestic US, German or even British brands (of what we have left). Since reaching about buying a front loader myself, too many people have said that LG and especially Samsung machine are much of a muchness in the sense they are form over function. Chrome buttons and knobs and funny singing says nothing at all about the long term reliability other than they think they can spend the money on other things rather than the mechanics. Weak pumps, seals and bearings seem to be common with Korean machines. Samsung and LG are both made in South Korea, or at least most of their models meaning they probably get certain parts from the same suppliers.
Korean manufacturers haven't yet mastered quality in the way the Japanese have and certainly not by the way experiences manufacturers in the west have. Putting aside opinion, according the Which? magazine, LG's only score average for wash ability, none of them have ever received a "best buy." They score very average for reliability even with those 5 year warranties, and their customer support isn't very good, but these machines are not priced to justify these things. Again, go for the Speed Queen. |
Post# 824225 , Reply# 14   5/19/2015 at 19:45 (3,236 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 824227 , Reply# 16   5/19/2015 at 19:48 (3,236 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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Oliver,
If you read Consumer Reports,the LGs are rated the most dependable front loaders and have the lowest frequency of repairs in both washers and dryers. Their front loaders are great and can get clothes clean in record time if need be. Their pricing is good too. Here are three models at Home Depot I personally recommend from most to least price and features. Both are free delivery and removal of old models. 1. Model #WM8000HWA Sku # 634254 Price $1097 Not $1399. 2. WM4270HWA 1000108830 $827 Not $1099 3.WM3570HWA 1000049559 $743 Not $999 |
Post# 824228 , Reply# 17   5/19/2015 at 19:52 (3,236 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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Post# 824232 , Reply# 18   5/19/2015 at 20:03 (3,236 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)   |   | |
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Like garbage, Lotsa garbage, Loaded (with) garbage, etc....and Consumers Reports isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Mike |
Post# 824244 , Reply# 19   5/19/2015 at 21:31 (3,236 days old) by Imperial70 (MA USA)   |   | |
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You'll be looking at the Speed Queen after a few months and wondering "Why did I buy overkill." The Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire and LG will deliver what you want without breaking the bank. I do recommend home depot for your purchase and install.
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Post# 824326 , Reply# 20   5/20/2015 at 12:57 (3,235 days old) by bud ()   |   | |
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Hey y'all, I just wanted to give a heart felt thanks to all who took the time to reply to my inquiry. Leaning towards the SQ, but we're still debating this. Again, thanks much for the time and condieration. |
Post# 824430 , Reply# 22   5/21/2015 at 02:46 (3,235 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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So Mike, 2002. No issues.I still believe most of the problems folks ate having with front loaders is the way they abuse ALL their appliances. From overloading to closing the door on the front loaders causing mold to grow on rubber parts. They use way too much detergent assuming suds get clothes cleaner. The more you see,the cleaner the clothes are getting. We all know that's bullshit
If you don't like a,product because we don't make it here,your fooling only yourself. We had our own chances to make great front loaders but decided to build them overseas. The Whirlpools and their subsidiaries. Front loaders were made in Germany ,the Frigidaires in Mexico. The Neptunes were a joke and embarrassment to those of us who sold AND serviced them and the GEs were made in China. The Speed Queens had,issues and, with a smaller capacity (3.1 cu ft.) Their over rating and,over pricing limited their sales. I have yet to see any of the newer models of The Speed Queens but,they'd have to have an interior drum light you can turn on to watch it operate and a heater for sensitization and great clean out of the tubs. From what I have gathered so far,the SQs have neither. In my 8000 set, I can wash my KINGSIZE bedspread,both sheets,the skirt and pillow cases .The only SQ s I know that can handle that kind of load are commercial and pre set. I had three Affinities,all if which are now defunct, two GEs, BOTH of which are now defunct. Four Asko pairs I sold and serviced and seven of the older Admiral, Magic Chef and Philco compact sets that died horribly. I now have four LGs, a Miele Touchtronic full size front loader and another LG that's top loading(WT1101CW) and is the best washer i've ever had brand new,never used. That I got for FREE from a local used dealer who has contracts with Home Depot and Lowe's to remove broken down or damaged appliances and older units,picked up during delivery. The owner, Charlie Smith, just called me with yet another LG he doesn't want. This one has the square window but isn't an 8000. He said it won't come on and shows DL on the board. That's door lock. It might just need a new door lock assembly. I get them on line for $45. We'll see. Anyway, I sell the LGs for $459. So far, I've sold three and no issues at all. The first one was sold back in 2011. The last one,back in July,2014. Teaching customers how to maintain their appliances is necessary because that way they can't blame you for their own incompetence. Aloha.
Chuck
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Post# 824432 , Reply# 23   5/21/2015 at 04:45 (3,235 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Well, those findings don't ring true here in Europe where LG products are relatively very average in terms of build quality and reliability. Which? magazine is completely unbiased, their findings are based on verified buyers and warranty company claims. I don't know, maybe they have suddenly improved but I doubt it. They are throw away products, not built to last.
If you wanted to look outside of SQ and LG, I would look at Bosch if you want a blend of quality, performance and value. |
Post# 824631 , Reply# 28   5/22/2015 at 14:58 (3,233 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I have to say that BennyBoy's in reply #27 took the words right out of my mouth regarding my decision to not buy a Speed Queen FL. I have been using a GE GTWN2800 TL for almost 3 years, and I had been very happy with it. But due to the severe drought here in Calif., and the rebates now being offered I decided to get a FL. The 2 local SQ dealers wanted $1799.00 plus delivery chgs, and tax bringing me up to $2000.00. I just couldn't justify that expenditure. So, this week I bought an LG WM3170CW from Lowes for $801.00 out the door, this included the 3 yr. extended warr. that begins after the 1 yr. LG warr. ends, so I have a 4 yr. warr., free delivery and installation ,tax and the hoses. It was delivered yesterday. I am very pleased with it and I expect that I should get many years of service from it, we are not hard on our appliances. Both the installers and the sales staff at Lowes said that they have the most customer satisfaction with the LG FL's. I did 6 loads yesterday at approx. 13 gals. per load = 78 gals. of water used, vs 35 gals per load X 6 = 198, so I saved 120 gals. It washed our Cal King quilted bedspread better than ever before, 4 King pillows ( 2 per load) the sofa slipcover all beautifully, using the Bulky cycle. Since it spins at med speed, when the cycle was complete I ran a spin only on high to get the large items as dry as possible before putting them in the dryer, and they all dried much quicker than I've been used to.
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Post# 824682 , Reply# 29   5/22/2015 at 20:01 (3,233 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Congrats on the new washer Eddie! I still have my Hydrowave covered in my office. LOL. I should sell it, but haven't tried very hard. They truly are great machines. I think you made a good choice though. I just read an article about the drought out there. I've been to CA dozens of times when I lived in AZ and the pictures blew me away.
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Post# 824693 , Reply# 30   5/22/2015 at 20:35 (3,233 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Thanks Joe! I have to tell you that it was sad to see that GE leave the house, I really liked that machine, it just used too much water. It sounds like from your post here that you made a good choice with your Kenmore HE TL, hope you get lots of trouble free service from it, from what you say its a good machine. At least I now am doing everything I can to conserve our precious water.
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Post# 824695 , Reply# 31   5/22/2015 at 20:59 (3,233 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Post# 824847 , Reply# 33   5/24/2015 at 08:46 (3,231 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 824858 , Reply# 35   5/24/2015 at 09:37 (3,231 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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To be honest henene, I can see where mrb627 is coming from. China is considered by and large to be a economic rival to the west, not a partner, as much as everyone would like to believe. Don't forget China has the fastest growing debt of any country in the world, increasing 400% since 2008 and it is slowing right down.
At my college, we have a small number of mainland Chinese student, but a lot of Hong Kong students and you can tell a difference. Mainlanders speak in their native tongue all the time, HKers speak in English as do the Japanese. Chinese are generally rude and quite aggressive. As regards jobs, 1.3 billion population, they can sustain themselves. They didn't have all this investment not even 30 years ago. They claim they have developed and are advancing, we should pull out of china and let them fend for themselves, because the espionage which goes on amongst western and Japanese companies in China costing those company millions, the grey laws regarding monopoly and price fixing, essentially suing companies for no real reason other than to blackmail them, is far more trouble than tis worth, and it seems companies are taking action now. Panasonic are pulling out of China, Google already have, even Microsoft are closing down the Nokia factories and moving them to Vietnam. Something like 40% of foreign businesses in China feel like doing business in there is more difficult than it was 5 years ago. We don't have to mention their track record on product safety, with tainted baby powder and metal toys and products suing paint with lead in them. I would buy a British, or German, or American made product any day over a Chinese made one definitely. You cant compete with slave labour, people have died over their because the conditions are so poor, their employees get "punished" if they do something wrong, not disciplined. That usually results in no lunch breaks, suspended pay and so on. And to be honest, it is not beyond us to build washing machines or servers, and in fact, many companies are moving production back home thanks to automated manufacturing, increasing political tensions in China and higher shipping costs. (My dad spent 10 years going to and from China and other far eastern countries, I spent 3 months in Hong Kong on a gap year) |
Post# 824864 , Reply# 37   5/24/2015 at 10:00 (3,231 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Well, if only the Chinese could express their friendliness with their neighbours as they have annoyed just about all of them with their provocative, dangerous actions.
Anyways, where I can, I do not buy Chinese. It is certainly possible to do, easy once you know what to look for. The reason that milk was made in Germany and shipped to China is probably because a lot of Chinese don't trust their own local companies, whether that is food or products. A baby nappy company in the UK actually limited the number of packets they would sell to European customer because they had such a demand in China for that very reason. |
Post# 824869 , Reply# 40   5/24/2015 at 10:21 (3,231 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Oh, and you are not idealistic with idea of moving everything from China back home? |
Post# 824874 , Reply# 41   5/24/2015 at 10:48 (3,231 days old) by BennyBoy ()   |   | |
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After all of our great economist voice there opinions, I'd say, On second thought, Get a SpeedQueen! Now all of you Economist go to your rooms! While the rest of us talk about appliances. |
Post# 824879 , Reply# 42   5/24/2015 at 11:44 (3,231 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Most countries have annoyed their neighbours at one point in history, but with China, it has been going on for decades. It is a very oppressive, utilitarian country with very poor human rights record that are making our washing machines and things we buy each day, so it is very necessary to this topic to be honest guys, and no real need for someone to basically say "oh lets just talk about this, not that". They are all linked with each other.
I don't really see how one has to justify why they would buy a product purely based on where it is from and especially if it is from their home country. While I think that can be foolish, and I think I would buy something based on its performance, I can see why and admire why people do. It is no bad thing looking after your fellow countrymen. You buy a home-grown product, you have helped pay for a worker in your countries job, for them to have an income, for them to pay taxes so on and so on and crucially, keeps the money in the country. This is not high level economics, it is very basic common sense. But to be honest, China isn't a part of this topic, so probably doesn't make a difference anyway, but it is an interesting debate anyway, probably good for another thread. |
Post# 824957 , Reply# 43   5/24/2015 at 20:57 (3,231 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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By buying my new LG FL from a store in my city, thereby making sure that the tax dollars paid would stay in my community. And the whole purpose for buying a FL was to conserve water, also a socially concious motivation, so please don't lecture me or anyone else for making the decision to purchase a brand other than the beloved SQ. You are aboslutely entitled to your opinion, but you have no idea what my or anyone elses financial position might be. This is still America and I can buy what ever the hell I want to. Furthermore, the dollars that I spent at my local Lowes did help provide wages for the employee's there. I do believe in buying American when it is possible and makes sense, but I have to live on a fixed income in an economy where everything steadily continues to increase in cost. I wouldn't presume to ever criticize anyone here on this site for the choice that they may have made in purchasing an appliance, these are personal preferences. Others might consider keeping these opinions to themselves.
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