Thread Number: 59822
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Post# 824764   5/23/2015 at 12:02 (3,231 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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I just got something else today! They're currently in my friend's truck so I don't have pictures but here's the tag from the washer. Maybe some Whirlpool experts will help me identify and date them!
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Post# 824801 , Reply# 1   5/23/2015 at 20:29 (3,231 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 824805 , Reply# 2   5/23/2015 at 21:31 (3,231 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 824808 , Reply# 3   5/23/2015 at 21:50 (3,231 days old) by camMURRAY22 (Savannah,Georgia)   |   | |
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Post# 824827 , Reply# 4   5/24/2015 at 01:17 (3,231 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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I didn't want to tease anybody with that picture of the model tag but I was in a hurry to post it as I'd like to have more information on these machines. I transferred the machines from my friend's truck to mine tonight but it was already dark outside and I didn't take more pictures and I arrived home too late to unload them! Will post pics tomorrow morning as soon as I remove the tarp that covers them!
They are older than 1974, about 8-10 years older than that I think...
A few weeks ago, I saw an ad for 4 dryers. One of them was an older RCA Whirlpool and on one of the pictures, I noticed there was the matching washer beside it which wasn't advertised but I inquired about it and it was available too!
I thought the cabinets looked rough on the pictures in the ad but they do look better than I thought. The control panels of both machines are also in nice shape. The washer was still connected when I got it. It agitates fine, doesn't seem to leak but it spins slowly, I'll have to have a look at that. The motor also has a loud hum but it works and the washer doesn't seem to leak. I haven't tested the dryer but I turned the drum manually and the belt for the blower is still there as the blower turns. I assume they aren't top-of-the-line models (I have don't know which models were available here in Canada) but they still have nice features and pushbuttons. The washer has a brush-type lint filter rather than a self-cleaning one and a black Surgilator with a chrome cap. I don't think the washer has a germicidal or a tub light (and it has a dark porcelain tub rather than a white one) and the control panel didn't light up but there's a light switch on the dryer so I assume there's a light on it's panel and on the washer's panel too. Unless the light switch on the dryer just turns off the germicidal and drum lamp (but I don't think so). The pilot light on the dryer is for the germicidal lamp, I thought it was bizarre to have a pilot light for a germicidal lamp
Here are the pictures from the ad for the dryer. The first one mainly shows another dryer but you can see that this Whirlpool dryer has the Canadian front panels like Inglis and Canadian Kenmore dryers. The second one is the one that made me interested in getting the dryer as I could see the matching washer beside it! The numbers 3 and 4 are the only pictures I took so far, from the washer's tag (that's installed upside down on the washer so I reversed it).
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Post# 824857 , Reply# 5   5/24/2015 at 09:29 (3,231 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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OK, I just got them out of my truck for some cleaning. But I took some pictures before doing so!
The washer has no push buttons (I just noticed that!) and it has similar features to Paul's 1966 Inglis Sterling but it lacks the white (and lighted) tub, the germicidal lamp and the suds-return feature. It does have a lighted panel with a single incandescent 25W bulb. It doesn't say "Two Speed" but I think it's a two speed machine, or at least I hope so!
The dryer does have an automatic cycle, a lighted panel (again with a single incandescent light bulb). It has features that are similar to the 1966 Inglis Citation I got for James but it lacks the fluorescent-lit control panel.
Anyone here could tell me which US machines would have this or a similar control panel? Maybe someone owns the US version of these? I'm thinking these are from around 1965-66? There's no series name on them.
RCA Victor sold RCA Whirlpool-branded machines in Canada (which I think were made by Inglis!) until Whirlpool dropped the RCA name around 1968. Then the machines (which were still Inglis clones) were rebadged RCA Victor for a year or two and then just RCA as RCA dropped the Victor part of their name around 1969. Around the mid-seventies, RCA started to sell Westinghouse-based appliances instead of Inglis/Whirlpool-based appliances. |
Post# 824865 , Reply# 6   5/24/2015 at 10:05 (3,230 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 824871 , Reply# 7   5/24/2015 at 10:23 (3,230 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 824872 , Reply# 8   5/24/2015 at 10:36 (3,230 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 824873 , Reply# 9   5/24/2015 at 10:47 (3,230 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Very interesting pair. Whirlpool didn't use "N" as a model-year designator for the U.S. product line of vintage, far as I'm aware. Apparently it was used in Canada, and perhaps elsewhere. The L"M"x series in the U.S. dates 1965. The woodgrain styling around the timers is similar to some 1965 models I've seen, such as this LMA Imperial Mark XII.
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Post# 824877 , Reply# 10   5/24/2015 at 11:15 (3,230 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 824889 , Reply# 12   5/24/2015 at 12:24 (3,230 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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I found a date stamped on the wig wag solenoid. Oct. 1964...
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Post# 824890 , Reply# 13   5/24/2015 at 13:03 (3,230 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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One of the wires to the wigwag was replaced and the two speed motor was replaced with a single speed one... The orange wire was cut. Paul has offered me the two speed motor from his '67 Whirlpool, I might try that!
The other issue is the pump that doesn't recirculate the water and pumps the water out very slowly. it's not blocked as it drains fine with gravity (and the pump is a newer replacement with plastic housing). That might be caused by the worn belt. I'll try to tighten it a bit to see if the drain and spin speed improves...
I started to clean the cabinets. the yellowing is mostly gone. Now, time to readjust the belt to see if anything improves! |
Post# 824891 , Reply# 14   5/24/2015 at 13:17 (3,230 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Beautiful! Congratulations! |
Post# 824899 , Reply# 15   5/24/2015 at 14:20 (3,230 days old) by 114jwh (Vancouver)   |   | |
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What did you clean them with to get them so white? Looks great! Interesting that the front panel on the dryer is one piece, no kick panel like the Inglis. Good luck on the pump and the motor. |
Post# 824900 , Reply# 16   5/24/2015 at 14:21 (3,230 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )   |   | |
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Post# 824909 , Reply# 18   5/24/2015 at 16:22 (3,230 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Thanks for the comments! James, I didn't notice the dryer didn't have a kick panel. You're right! As I think about it, I just noticed that my 1965 Inglis doesn't have one either... Maybe this was added in 1966.
I just installed a new pump, that was the problem. The smaller impeller for the recirculation was sitting loose in the housing. I guess it either froze or the shaft broke from rust. I also installed my noisy two speed motor along with the piece of orange wire that was cut but it still doesn't get into low speed. Maybe something was rewired on the timer... But at least, now it spins fine and drains fine and the water recirculates through the lint filter. |
Post# 824923 , Reply# 19   5/24/2015 at 17:53 (3,230 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 824960 , Reply# 20   5/24/2015 at 21:09 (3,230 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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I just finished to fix the machine and it now has two speeds!
According to the timer chart, it has high and low speeds (see picture #1) but the wiring diagram is less clear as it shows the blue and orange wires going to the motor as one (picture #2) and nowhere on the control panel the washer is identified as a two-speed...
The orange wire going to the motor was cut about 10" away from the motor connector (picture #3) and the motor was a single speed so I first thought that the original 2 speed motor had been replaced.
But when I looked at what was done to the timer, I was a bit surprised to see there was no trace of a modification (pictures #4-5). The orange and blue wires were joined together on the timer and it looked like a factory-made connection...
Since I had already replaced the single speed motor with a 2-speed earlier today, I used the orange wire from the timer to the bulkhead connector that was in a newer Whirlpool washer that I parted out and connected it instead of the orange jumper wire on the timer and I added it to the empty spot in the bulkhead connector so now I have a two-speed machine!
I left the orange jumper in place and carefully taped the end and added a heat shrink tube over the connector in case I would ever want to make the machine a single speed again! |
Post# 824973 , Reply# 22   5/24/2015 at 22:43 (3,230 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Thanks for the info Alan!
I'm pretty sure this machine came out of the factory with a single speed motor and cut wire. I can't tell if it was supposed to be like that, if there was an error in the production or if they were lacking two-speed motors and made this modification to keep the factory going! I wish there were pictures of the equivalent US model to see what the control panel looks like and if it displays the number of speeds...
I know someone who has old Canadian RCA Whirlpool documents. I stopped to show him the machines yesterday and he's supposed to look in his documentation with the model numbers.
A small video showing the gentle cycle finally with gentle agitation... And the regular agitation. This post was last edited 05/24/2015 at 23:01 |
Post# 824977 , Reply# 23   5/24/2015 at 22:53 (3,230 days old) by gregingotham (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 824980 , Reply# 24   5/24/2015 at 23:27 (3,230 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City)   |   | |
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Wow Phil! Those machines cleaned up really nice! I'm assuming the vibration noise is from your motor? It will sound great when you're able to get a newer one. Congrats again & thanks for sharing the video. |
Post# 824986 , Reply# 25   5/24/2015 at 23:38 (3,230 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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That's right. The single speed motor was just as noisy as this one. This one came from my 1972 Inglis washer and I replaced it in my 1972 washer because it was too noisy. Paul told me he has a two speed motor from a 1967 Whirlpool washer but I couldn't wait to replace the motor with a 2 speed!
Tomorrow, I'll replace the light bulb in the console and I'll have a look at the dryer!
Here's the last video for tonight!
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Post# 825122 , Reply# 26   5/25/2015 at 18:18 (3,229 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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I didn't have a chance to play with the dryer but I did the first wash with the washer.
And the first two speed wash too as the Wash 'N Wear cycle starts on high and switches to low speed. I used Foca detergent in the filter/dispenser.
I also replaced the burned 25 watts light bulb in the console with a 5.5 Watts LED and a bayonet adapter. The lamp in the dryer is still good but I'll do the same with it.
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Post# 825126 , Reply# 27   5/25/2015 at 18:32 (3,229 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 825131 , Reply# 28   5/25/2015 at 19:05 (3,229 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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I got them at a local store for $3.95 each. They had just two but that's what I needed. I got a regular bayonet 25w light bulb for less than $3 and the Patrick Morin hardware store has the 15W version for less than $2 each...
The LED lights were more expensive at $12 each.
I think your Inglis set uses two lights in each console, so does my 1965 Inglis Superb. I think I installed 15 watts regular bulbs in mine.
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Post# 825132 , Reply# 29   5/25/2015 at 19:14 (3,229 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 825141 , Reply# 30   5/25/2015 at 19:47 (3,229 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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The 15W Sylvania bulb is priced at $1.58. The 25W bulb that I got at the light store where I got my adapters was priced at $3.50.
The 25W bulb that's still good in the dryer has melted the control panel near it (see the first picture below). Not too badly but that's why I switched to LED lights.
And that might explain why they switched to two 15W light bulbs in the newer Inglis washers that used incandescent lighted panels...
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Post# 825300 , Reply# 31   5/26/2015 at 19:40 (3,228 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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I tried the dryer today, there was nothing I could do to fix it as it already ran fine... I removed the back panel to find that it's an earlier style than the 1966 Inglis I parted out for James. There's no belt around the drum and the blower is driven by a V belt.
I found an ad for similar but more basic models in newspapers from May 13 1965. The second picture shows the pulleys at the back. |
Post# 825314 , Reply# 33   5/26/2015 at 22:32 (3,228 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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That reminds me that I never looked at the back of my 1965 Inglis Superb dryer. I assumed it had the round blower belt like my 1964 and 1965 Frigidaire Filtrators and the 1966 Inglis that I parted out for James. (in this dryer, the blower belt was cut so the blower didn't work). |
Post# 825350 , Reply# 34   5/27/2015 at 07:00 (3,228 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 825355 , Reply# 35   5/27/2015 at 07:37 (3,228 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 825367 , Reply# 36   5/27/2015 at 08:31 (3,228 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Wow, Phil, the dryer belt and pulley arrangement are like on my '56 Whirlpool Imperial - I'd guess it was a 'pure Whirlpool' design while the Inglis (and IIRC Canadian Kenmores) used a hybrid design with the clear round belt to drive the fan. I wonder if that was part of the licensing agreement Whirlpool made with John Inglis Co. at the time.
Glad to hear it works (I have a spare motor for the dryer too, though... LOL) |
Post# 825368 , Reply# 37   5/27/2015 at 08:54 (3,228 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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Post# 825369 , Reply# 38   5/27/2015 at 08:56 (3,228 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Roger,
I'll really need to find a solution if I want more machines to fit in! And I have rented my 1-18 set, I need to find space for it again in a few months!
Paul, I think the Canadian Whirlpool machines were made by Inglis for RCA Victor. The tags say these machines are "made for" RCA Victor and all the belts in both machines are branded Inglis. And since the Cabinets also feature the Inglis front panels... They probably picked some US Whirlpool parts since these were already badged as RCA! When Whirlpool stopped to badge it's machines as RCA in the US, the Canadian machines made for RCA became RCA Victor! Just for a year or so as RCA went to the new emblem and got rid of the Victor name for all it's products in the late 1960s. And I'll have to look but I wouldn't be surprised to find my 1965 Inglis Superb dryer uses the same V belt arrangement as this Whirlpool dryer. Whirlpool in the US did also use the round belt (and I guess it already did by 1964 as it was about to change to the new drum style that you have in your 1965 Lady Kenmore dryer). The round belt is the same that's used in the late-model Frigidaire Filtrator dryers. John Lefever did replace the one in my 1965 Frigidaire dryer and he used the Whirlpool replacement part as the Frigidaire part is NLA!
I attached pictures of tags from both machines again below but first, look at what I found that had slipped behind the timer panel of the washer! The French-language side was filled and ready to mail. I guess she didn't win this one! This post was last edited 05/27/2015 at 09:14 |
Post# 825370 , Reply# 39   5/27/2015 at 09:08 (3,228 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 825478 , Reply# 40   5/28/2015 at 02:30 (3,227 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Now in storage. I had to take a few pictures of the lighted control panels!
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Post# 825512 , Reply# 41   5/28/2015 at 08:01 (3,227 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)   |   | |
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Post# 825515 , Reply# 42   5/28/2015 at 08:41 (3,227 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Not really! The cabinets were yellowed but the porcelain tops were fine.
But the top of the dryer does get dirty quickly as this style of dryer has the lint filter located after the blower instead of before (unlike the later Whirlpools with the long lint filter) so it blows some lint past the felt seal of the lint filter. After seeing what a small air leak around the lint filter can do, I can imagine what kind of mess the Norge dryers do as they pressurize their whole drum with a huge blower! I See the dirt from the air going past the lint filter felt seal on the right on this picture...
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Post# 825518 , Reply# 43   5/28/2015 at 08:54 (3,227 days old) by TwinTubber (Toronto)   |   | |
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Seriously, just stunning! Great job Phil. |
Post# 825520 , Reply# 44   5/28/2015 at 09:22 (3,227 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Thanks Scott! I was wondering if I should go for them or not as I'm really tight on space but I'm glad I did and now I know that other machines will have to go. I got some parts machines that aren't clean and and that would require a lot of work (and hard to find parts!) it's time to make some space!
I can't get enough appliances with lighted consoles!
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Post# 825554 , Reply# 45   5/28/2015 at 15:59 (3,226 days old) by supersurgilator (Indiana)   |   | |
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Phil, what movie was it that your profile pic came from? I remember seeing it when I was little but have no idea what it was. |
Post# 825557 , Reply# 46   5/28/2015 at 16:48 (3,226 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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That's from the original Freaky Friday from 1976. The very first time I saw Frigidaire laundry machines was in that movie! Back then, I didn't understand how overloading a machine would cause a lid to pop up. It's much later that I figured it when I first saw videos of Frigidaire washers! Last year, I got this exact set of machines (but in white). A 1967 WCDL Custom Deluxe washer and a 1967 DCDL Custom Deluxe dryer. This post was last edited 05/28/2015 at 17:38 |
Post# 825616 , Reply# 48   5/29/2015 at 05:47 (3,226 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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I don't think there was much of a difference in performance, the round belts for the blower like there was on the 1966 Inglis probably break more often than the V belts but it's overall a simpler and improved drive system. They both had a slightly inneficient design because the air intake and outlet were both at the back of the drum and some heated air just traveled from the outlet to the exhaust without ever going in the dum where the clothes are. The later style like the one you got is certainly performing better because the hot air enters directly in the drum and it doesn't blow the air through (and above!) the lint filter but rather pulls it through. I just hope it won't be too challenging to fit your controls on it.
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Post# 825622 , Reply# 49   5/29/2015 at 06:29 (3,226 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Great find Phil, it is always interesting to see the differences between US and Canadian WP designed appliances, I missed your orignal post about these cool machines as Smitty and I were in Germany for a week participating in Eurotour 2015.
Some thoughts about these rare machines.
The model tag on your washer was deliberately installed upside down to make it easier to read if you were leaning over the washer to read it.
Almost all WP designed [ electric ] dryers only had a one piece front panel going back to their first dryers in 1949.
It is interesting to see that they still used the dual V belt drive this late, the last US built WP-KM dryers to have this system were the 1961 machines. The dual V belt system was a little stronger but more problem prone in the long run.
I do think that the washer was built as a one speed model, there is no mention of a lower speed under the lid on on the console, WP like almost every manufacturer played little games like to have more different models and to save money. |
Post# 825629 , Reply# 50   5/29/2015 at 07:19 (3,226 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Thanks John for the information! I was waiting for comments from you as I knew you could tell me more about these!
I also think this washer was a single speed originally, that's why I saved the original wiring on the timer. I'm glad to hear you confirm my thoughts! I don't have a good single speed motor to replace the original one that's noisy and I prefer having it as a two speed anyway as I already have a pair of 1965 Inglis with a washer that's also a just a single speed.
When I saw the ad featuring the dryer and just a part of the washer's console. I expected the matching washer (which wasn't advertised or even for sale) to have 2 speeds, a tub light and a germicidal light like the 1966 Inglis washers that Paul and James have but I found it had none of these features that I wanted! Now, at least it has two speeds! I'll still look to find one with a germicidal lamp as I have no washer in my small collection that has this feature. Still looking for a 3 speed washer too... I knew this one wouldn't be a 3 speed but I didn't expect it to be a single speed!
About the tags, my newer RCA washer also has it's tag upside down. You're right that it should be easier to read if you just tilt the machine down to look at it.
About the dryer front panels, did they switch to two-piece panels with the new drive system after 1961 or when Whirlpool introduced gas dryers or? |
Post# 825687 , Reply# 51   5/29/2015 at 17:35 (3,225 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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stunning Phil, I love the night lighted pictures too! That is a set to keep for sure.
Now I'm gonna have to look for bayonette adapters too ! Phil that adapter, is for a one pin/center pin bulb?
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Post# 825696 , Reply# 52   5/29/2015 at 18:13 (3,225 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Jon, I bought my adapters locally but there seems to be plenty of models for about 1/4 of the price on eBay...
I needed the two pin models but single pin adapters are also available... Not exactly the same as those I got but looks similar: http://www.ebay.com/itm/B15-Male-to-E14-... |
Post# 826148 , Reply# 54   6/1/2015 at 20:09 (3,222 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 826162 , Reply# 55   6/1/2015 at 22:10 (3,222 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1161389 , Reply# 56   10/8/2022 at 23:02 (536 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Old thread, but here’s something I thought I’d point out. Even though that’s a fairly middle of the line RCA Whirlpool washer from 1964, it basically has the same cycles (and features) as my TOL Imperial Mark XII from 1963. Only things yours doesn’t have is the automatic dispensers but otherwise similar-ish to my ‘63 Imperial Mark XII. Biggest difference between the machine you own Phil and my ‘63 Imperial Make XII is the temperatures are built into the timer vs having the temperature selections independent of the timer itself. My guess as to why Whirlpool made all the temperatures built into the timer on the top of the line Mark XII is to take the guess work out of selecting the temperatures, literally all you do on my Mark XII is select a cycle, turn the timer until it stops and push to start.
As for the differences between the dryer you have and the one I have paired up with my ‘63 Mark XII, is yours had the auto dry timer as mine does not. Mine only has timed drying only (which I don’t mind), same drying temperature selections, but mine has the 2 speed fan on it which changes the speed of the fan by moving the belt to a different size of pulley and stepping down the wattage of the element. In some ways, your ‘64 RCA Whirlpool dryer has more features than my ‘63 RCA Whirlpool Imperial dryer but mine has more features as well such as the 2 speed drying feature along with having the sprinkler on it. I believe there might have been a 1963 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII dryer with the auto dry but one thing I will point out is in the movie from 1963 “Who’s Minding The Store” is there is a ‘63 Mark XII set similar to mine but the dryer that’s paired up with that Mark XII washer too only has timed drying on it which makes me wonder if Whirlpool made or even offered a Mark XII dryer in 1963 and according to John Lefever they did but since I’ve never seen one in the archives or seen one surface, I assume it wasn’t even offered that year or simply no one bought one that year since it wouldn’t have made sense (at least to the people buying those machines then) to spend about $30 to $40 more on essentially the same dryer just to use timed drying only. I imagine a lot of dryers in the 50’s and 60’s only had timed drying since that’s what was the cheapest and was what people were familiar with. Here’s some photos of my ‘63 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII set. |