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Thread Number: 59888
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Videos of my Kenmore 28102! |
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| Post# 825540 5/28/2015 at 13:23 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
Finally got around to making some videos of my new Kenmore 28102 (Cabrio). I know I've said it a million times but I absolutely LOVE this machine. I'm so impressed at how well it cleans. So far I've done 3 videos…1 showing the agitation of a load of whites, 1 showing the recirculating spray in action, and 1 showing the Deep Wash cycle which puts the washer in non-HE mode, filling with more water. It's nice to have that option!
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| Post# 825559 , Reply# 1 5/28/2015 at 17:05 (3,248 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 825561 , Reply# 2 5/28/2015 at 17:24 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 825565 , Reply# 3 5/28/2015 at 17:32 (3,248 days old) by ea56  (Cotati, Calif.) |
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| Post# 825567 , Reply# 4 5/28/2015 at 18:04 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 825575 , Reply# 5 5/28/2015 at 19:04 (3,248 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
I was under te impression | ||
| Post# 825577 , Reply# 6 5/28/2015 at 19:09 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I'm not sure about the other WP HE models, but I think they have a deep wash too. I know the F&P has the ability to do HE and non-HE (at least the older ones). The Deep Wash in mine does mimic a regular top loader, minus the tall agitator of course. I wash my towels in that cycle too and they move around great. I think it helps to get the suds out better too.
The blue impeller is a Kenmore thing. Their Triple Action Agitator. It's pretty cool isn't it?! LOL. ;-) | ||
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Post# 825578 , Reply# 7 5/28/2015 at 19:23 (3,248 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I just put bearings and seals into a 2010 model.....
and comparing it to the belt drive, I like this direct drive a lot better....it does do a better job....odd as these wash systems seem, mine drains into a sink, the wash water is dirty, and the final rinse is clear....can't argue with that.... granted I don't have the Deep Wash cycle......it does add more water, and the sprayer is a nice addition with the wash action, just wished it would stay on, or come on more often....then again, I have not tried out all the cycles as of yet..... one thing, after having a hard time getting the inner tub off of the shaft, I really greased the new shaft, as its important that tub slide up to float, I wonder if I should be taking that tub out at least every two years to prevent rusting and such......seems many videos of repairs complaining the reason for seal and bearing failure was because the detergents wear away the lubrication of that shaft.....just curious.... another thing that I am not buying with the new one with that triple action impellor is the water is supposed to be spraying up from under the impellor...doesn't appear in the videos of exposed holes of water shooting out, to me, seems more like a gimmick... one last thing, I did take out the restrictor on the hot side, it allows for a warmer wash, otherwise warm was luke warm if even that.....granted my water heater is set at 160......for the most part, my first washes were hot, which was dubbed down to a really warm wash......your mileage may differ.... | ||
| Post# 825584 , Reply# 8 5/28/2015 at 19:54 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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You're da man!
Ok Martin, you're coming over when I need a repair! LOL. I certainly hope I don't have issues with mine. I have a 2 year warranty at least. We'll see!
I absolutely agree that the spray should stay on longer. It gives a good soak right before the wash portion. For several minutes, but it would be great if it did during the agitation too. I actually did see some water squirt out of the holes on the agitator but I'm not sure if it is mechanical or if the water just squirts out because of the agitation. They really don't specify. I don't use much hot water…but I have been more with this machine. The hot on my GE took FOREVER to fill so I didn't use it. | ||
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Post# 825587 , Reply# 9 5/28/2015 at 20:38 (3,248 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 825591 , Reply# 10 5/28/2015 at 21:13 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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The lid bypass is very easy actually. Just need a magnet next to where the latch pops out…then when it pops out you have to just push it in slightly so the machine thinks it's closed.
Nope, you can use any water temp. I use tap cold on my darks so they don't fade. When you select a cycle, it defaults to the most ideal settings, but they are all changeable. Only certain times are you restricted from certain settings, but not often. It's pretty versatile. | ||
| Post# 825600 , Reply# 11 5/29/2015 at 00:12 (3,248 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Very nice. Your machine looks so well built and rugged compared to the other HE Top Loader videos I have seen on Youtube. So quiet! Do you have any videos of it spinning? Does it do a spray rinse during the spin? Thanks for the fun videos!
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| Post# 825605 , Reply# 12 5/29/2015 at 01:44 (3,248 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Am I missing something? | ||
| Post# 825626 , Reply# 13 5/29/2015 at 07:01 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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haha, Mark. I know it looks different. The videos came out awful I think. I used my iPhone5 but when they uploaded, the quality was bad. I dunno. It's all the same washer though. Just the lighting makes the impeller look white in some shot :(
Brent - I will make a video of it spinning! It does not use a spray rinse on the full spin. If you select a rinse without fabric softener it will do a spray rinse. That consists of the tub spinning slowly while the fill nozzle sprays water on the clothes. It then stops and sits for a minute, then drains the tub…and does that over again. I think it does it 3 times. If you select fabric softener, it will fill the tub full and use the recirculating spray too. I does seem to be very well built. The Heavy Duty cycle is a beast…the basket moves around all over the place! It's very aggressive. I was using that for my towels, but I had to use very very little soap because it left a lot left…even after 3 rinses. The manual actually suggests the Deep Wash for towels anyway, so that's what I use. | ||
| Post# 825642 , Reply# 14 5/29/2015 at 09:44 (3,248 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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LOL!
That's amazing cuz it's so blue in the first vid. I don't think the vid's came out bad, they look fine to me. Anyway, to be clear, this is made by Whirlpool, not LG for Kenmore, right? I'm guessing so because you have it labeled cabrio as well.
Regarding the quality, I thought the same thing about my new Maytag dishwasher I got last year. I was so sure as the years go by things would get cheaper and cheaper feeling, but it has a much more solid feel than the 2005 whirlpool I had. Glad you like it. Now I recently watched a video on youtube of a guy washing a King Comforter in a cabrio (I think it was from 2015) and it wouldn't move it at all. But this was the BOL cabrio, so I don't know if that makes a difference. He did use deep water wash too, but that made no difference. | ||
| Post# 825650 , Reply# 15 5/29/2015 at 11:16 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Yes this is the Whirlpool Cabrio or the Maytag Bravos XL. The Kenmore got very good reviews on CR and Reviewed.com so that helped my decision…plus it's on clearance (even cheaper now for $499!). I love the blue impeller, it's so cool! The videos don't' look as clear as on my phone, but thank you…I'm glad they don't appear too bad.
I think with anything new these days you really have to shop around and look for good quality. It's not a given anymore like it was 30 years ago. Like for my dishwasher, I have always had GE but when I looked at the new ones, I didn't like how they felt. So I got a Frigidaire instead because it felt more solid. As did the Whirlpools…. I've seen his videos and he actually has the TOL version. I haven't washed my comforter yet but I have washed 3 queen blankets and the roll over was very slow. I think HE top loaders without an agitator are really iffy with big bulky items like that…even pillows. I washed mine and I had to turn them during the cycle. They just kind of jiggled and moved around. What saves it is the recirculating spray. Everything came out clean of course, but I think the spray really helps to give good wash coverage. FL's are awesome when it comes to bulky items. I think next time with the pillows I'll just use a regular cycle instead of the Deep Wash. The higher water level actually was a detriment I believe, because the pillows floated to the top. Lower water level would keep them closer to the impeller and they might agitate more. I'll have to try it out. | ||
| Post# 825656 , Reply# 16 5/29/2015 at 11:42 (3,247 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
I'm jealous of your Deep Wash cycle!!! That's the only feature Kenmore had over the Whirlpool and Maytag. But still, mine has yet to disappoint with the water levels it uses.
I'm thinking the "Triple Action Impeller" is just a marketing gimmick. Mine has holes in the same places as the one on yours, and when the water level is low, water will spurt up out of them. I would love to get one though because I love the blue! The blue impeller with the chrome MCT cap would look awesome in my machine. :) | ||
| Post# 825659 , Reply# 17 5/29/2015 at 11:59 (3,247 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I'd love to see that impeller in your machine…I think it would look great too. lol.
Does the Bulky cycle on yours fill that much?? I just found it so odd that in my manual the cycle descriptions mention nothing about comforters or pillows. There's a Sheets cycle, but you have to conclude on your own to use the Deep Wash. Weird. | ||
| Post# 825665 , Reply# 18 5/29/2015 at 13:44 (3,247 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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The Bulky cycle fills to a minimum of just above the halfway point in the tub. The most I've seen it fill is a little over 3/4. The agitation is very aggressive with 3-4 rotations each direction, which is why it's not good at all for anything but comforters and such. Even then it can sometimes lump the load to one side and then it has to correct itself, so I just keep my ear out for when it drains and monitor it, pausing it to adjust the blanket or whatever before it starts to spin. So far that is literally the only problem I have to keep an eye on, but more often than not it spins okay on its own.
I was hoping that the Colors/Towels cycle on mine would be a "Deep Wash" equivalent, but from what I've noticed it uses just a little more water than the other cycles and the agitation stays at the medium stroke, but doesn't fill anywhere near where your Deep Wash does. | ||
| Post# 825685 , Reply# 19 5/29/2015 at 17:21 (3,247 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 825708 , Reply# 20 5/29/2015 at 20:55 (3,247 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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For pillows
This actually MAY be better than a FL. I've washed pillows in my Duet quite a few times, and you never know if you're going to end up with a ruined pillow because of the material inside gets balled up..It's like a 50/50 chance of that happening, but they do come really clean. Maybe the deep water and spray would keep that from happening (at least with pillows)
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| Post# 825710 , Reply# 21 5/29/2015 at 21:11 (3,247 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Good Point! | ||
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Post# 825723 , Reply# 22 5/29/2015 at 22:29 (3,247 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Pillows I ran a couple pillows in the Neppy TL, they were pretty much mangled. I ran a pair in the Duet when I had it. Don't recall but may have been on Sanitary (starting with a cold fill to avoid too much heat). I do remember tumbling time was too much, the stuffing got rolled pretty bad. Delicate would been better. The Calypso does much better (Bulky cycle), although they need to be rotated at least once during the wash period for best exposure. | ||
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Post# 825725 , Reply# 23 5/29/2015 at 22:40 (3,247 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI) |
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That works SO much better then other versions of Cabrios I've seen videos of. I actually like this machine and would probably willingly give it a shot. | ||
| Post# 825763 , Reply# 24 5/30/2015 at 06:32 (3,247 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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DADoES - Yeah i think the bulky cycle works best too. My machine doesn't have an actually bulky cycle, just the Deep Wash. I did have to turn the pillows once too.
Jonathan - It really is an impressive machine. It has the F&P Smart Drive system and does an amazing job and washes very similar to the Aquasmart. Unfortunately they are discontinued but Sears still has them for $499!! Cheap! | ||
| Post# 825767 , Reply# 25 5/30/2015 at 06:59 (3,247 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Discontinued
Speaking of that - it's funny. When I bought my whirlpool dishwasher in 2005, no sooner than I bought it, they discontinued that model, right? It died 9.5 yrs later, so I get a Maytag, and no sooner did I get the Maytag that I have now, it was discontinued days later.
As for pillows, I HATE the delicate cycle because it's too delicate, it almost does NOTHING. It fills with a lot of water but I understand agitation needs to be delicate, but I don't think there's enough agitation, plus it doesn't spin between rinses, so basically it fills with a lot of water, tumbles very slow only a very few times, drains, but doesn't spin, refills with rinse water, tumbles very little (more soak than anything), then drains with no spin, fills, rinses, tumbles a little, drains and spins on low....That's not going to clean a pillow really, so I hate that cycle quite honestly. | ||
| Post# 825770 , Reply# 26 5/30/2015 at 07:14 (3,247 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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The Delicates on my machine is too delicate as well. It's more like a Hand Wash cycle. I used it for my bath rugs and shower curtain and the agitator only turns about 1/4 way. I use the Express cycle now…works just fine!
I struggled with my model and the new one that just came out. But after doing tons of research I really liked the older design better. Mostly because it does remind me more of the F&P :-) | ||
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Post# 825896 , Reply# 27 5/31/2015 at 07:38 (3,246 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Joey, thanks for the thread and the videos.....normally I don't like blue agitators, but it looks unique in this one.....
all we can do is experiment to find which works best for each load......and what each cycle exactly does......having both versions, the direct drive is the better of the two, but I am trying different loads, and even trying to trick it as I do with the belt drive by pouring a gallon of water on the load before starting, it tricks it into thinking the load is larger than what it is.....still iffy on this one yours being newer is definitely updated, which only means they realized some problem areas, and improved on them......if all the cycles were close to filling like the Deep Water, we would probably be happier with them, and they would get such bad reviews, especially in the Normal cycle..... all in all, once you get past the mental thought of seeing less water, and let the machine do its thing, it does actually clean....the waterfall is one of the best things in Catalyst cleaning of pretreating with a heavy concentration of detergent, I just expected it to lather the detergent like the Calypso.... this machine is quicker than the belt drive as in it doesn't have so much 'wait' time between selecting actions to perform, the other machine must waste at least 10 or more minutes of the cycle just sitting there.... when it comes to pillows, for either a TL or FL machine......as odd as it may seem, I found it best to do these somewhat by hand in the tub, laid flat while squishing the suds and detergent through them, drain the water, and using a piece of plastic pipe like a rolling pin, roll the pillow up to squeeze out the excess, and refill with some clear water to rinse a few times, at the end I place in the machine for a high speed spin, and then either in the dryer or placed out on the deck in the sunlight to dry.......less chance of ruining them this way... one thing that slips my mind after using a FLer, with these HE TL machines, you do have to separate loads like before.....with a FLer, I could toss together a mixed load, towels with jeans or sheets, even whites with colors, no issues, with the TL like this, oh yeah, theres friction, and lint!..... keep experimenting, this is an interesting machine, fun to play with, but still sold on my Neptunes as daily drivers... | ||
| Post# 825901 , Reply# 28 5/31/2015 at 08:12 (3,246 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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You bet Martin, thanks for checking them out!!
As with most people on here, I'm very particular with my laundry anyway. I tend to sort by color and type. I live by myself and I do about 6-7 loads of laundry a week. I could wash all my clothes in one load, but I wear a lot of dark clothes and I fear my whites getting tinted. You're right about these machines in that you DO have to load them more carefully. I know many many people who just throw everything in one load..and in a traditional top loader that works (except for the dye transfer and lint issues). Most consumers don't put that much thought into doing laundry so I think that contributes to these machines getting a bad rap too…they aren't being used as intended. I actually ran my Sheets cycle with a set of sheets and my dish drying mat. You wouldn't think it would cause a problem, but it did. The mat stayed flat the whole time, inhibiting the sheets from agitating properly. Good example of why you have to follow the cycle suggestions exactly on these guys. You can certainly experiment to see what works best, but mixing loads doesn't work for the most part. I was really drawn to the GE HE top loader (which they just came out with the new versions BTW) because from what I could tell, the Waterfall stays on the whole wash cycle. Problem is it doesn't spray it out it just cascades over the side so articles in the middle don't get as good coverage. Beautiful machines though…very modern and sleek. But they are expensive and HUGE. They are several inches larger around than a typical top loader. My laundry closet was designed in the 80's and I would have issues with them fitting properly. I wish I had a big basement to have several types of washers! haha. For pillows…I like your suggestion a lot. i have to experiment more with this machine. As i said, I washed them on the Deep Wash cycle and they puffed up and floated to the top. I think even a Delicate or Normal cycle might work better with lower water level to keep them closer to the agitator. Even washing them on the Soak cycle might work. My Soak cycle can be adjusted and it sprays more than the wash cycle. That would be a great way to actually clean them, then run them through just a Rinse cycle a couple of times. I'll have to try that…. The Neptune is a very cool machine. My partner and I bought a set back in 1998 when they were still new. Wicked expensive, I think we paid almost $3K for the set…and that was 17 years ago! Yikes. But they are still running, though with new owners. I can honestly say they were THE machines that opened the US to FL washers. I had never even seen one before then…except in a commercial setting. | ||
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Post# 825906 , Reply# 29 5/31/2015 at 08:43 (3,246 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I used to have a pattern when it was just me and my partner, I would wash one load a day in order to keep up, darks, lights, whites...and this sort of would be the repeat for say a dark load done every third day, 6 pants, 6 shirts, 6 pairs underwear and socks.....if I skipped a day, it threw my system out of whack...lol
with only one set of daily drivers, it could take 2 or more hours for one load.... as with the greasing of the shaft, just searching for ideas to keep these running for a long time requiring minimal care or maintenance......my first digital Neptunes required bearings after 14 years, and amazed how clean it was inside, was expecting much worse as seen by other machines I got in....just taking ideas and watching youtube vids from maintenance guys as to what would prevent premature failure..... I also got an Avanti portable machine recently, taking it to the next wash-in for a demo and hopefully a video, for a compact machine, it will knock your socks off for what it can handle, and how well it will wash....for one thing, it has blades built into the underside of the impellor, which pumps water up throw small channels in the tub and waterfalls over the load, something I thought these newer Cabrios would have had.... | ||
| Post# 825908 , Reply# 30 5/31/2015 at 09:12 (3,246 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Ohhhhh now you've got me interested in those portable machines. I think they are pretty darn cool. Nice for doing smaller loads of clothes. Hmmmm. LOL. ;-) Def interested in seeing a video of that!
I have Thursdays and Fridays off right now and most of Thursday is spent doing laundry. Which I LOVE. My friends think I'm crazy and they ask if I'll do their laundry for them. lol. Like I said…I'll be getting a hold of you if something goes wrong with my machine. :-) But yes, preventive maintenance def can make a difference. Though my old roommate and I used a Kenmore DD machine from the mid 90's for over 10 years and we did NOTHING to it and it ran and ran. My other roommate had to fix it once (I think the agitator dogs) but otherwise it was like a tank. It finally broke when he moved, but I'm sure it was fixable. | ||
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Post# 825920 , Reply# 31 5/31/2015 at 10:11 (3,246 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I don't want to hack your thread over it, but check out this one by cuffs, I posted pics of mine as he was trying to decide on the bigger version of it...
as I mention, its a 12lb capacity, equal to a GE FilterFlo V12...pretty good size load for, well I should say, convertible, as it can be hooked up both ways...I just think if your going to have only one set as a daily driver, consider something like this as a backup, at 22 inches, can easily store in the back of a closet somewhere...just a thought.....I bought this used for 100.00 I have a buddy who has a used appliance shop nearby, he has been sending me these Cabrios to rebuild since I did this first one.....watch a youtube vid, once you do one, its easy as pie....the most time is scrubbing the inside down once you have it apart.....otherwise takes about an hour to do... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK | ||
| Post# 825952 , Reply# 32 5/31/2015 at 14:09 (3,245 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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I never wanted a HE due to the low water level, but that has plenty of water. I like. Cheryl | ||
| Post# 825992 , Reply# 33 5/31/2015 at 19:09 (3,245 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 826047 , Reply# 34 6/1/2015 at 08:06 (3,245 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 826060 , Reply# 35 6/1/2015 at 10:20 (3,245 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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you still can....just search CL, and who knows, one may pop up in your area, search Avanti washer, or portable washer......took me about 6 months until I found one......
I would stick with one of the 2 larger ones, mine is a 1.7, and I think the larger is 2.1.... that waterfall is powered by the impellor, each time it oscillates, it pumps water up and over the load, constantly while it washes.....there is a lint filter, and another waterfall about half way down for smaller loads...I really think you will be impressed.... | ||
| Post# 826158 , Reply# 36 6/1/2015 at 21:13 (3,244 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I bought one!
Not an Avanti and it's the smaller one. It's an RCA (made my Midea) and was on sale at Walmart for $209 with free shipping. Can't beat that. Not that having the bigger one wouldn't work for me, but the smaller capacity would really be perfect. I plan on using it for my smaller loads of clothes (lights) and freshen ups during the week. I also think it will be perfect for my bathroom mats that usually are pretty awkward to wash, just because of their shape. I'm very excited to get it. Should be here Thursday :)
CLICK HERE TO GO TO joeypete's LINK | ||
| Post# 826160 , Reply# 38 6/1/2015 at 21:38 (3,244 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Haha, I know, I don't wash big loads of clothes just being by myself. The Deep Wash video was a pretty big load though. In my traditional top loader it would be the Extra large setting. I've washed the same load on just a regular HE cycle and it rolls over quite well actually.
The videos are mainly to see how the machine works. :) | ||
| Post# 826164 , Reply# 39 6/1/2015 at 22:38 (3,244 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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Post# 826215 , Reply# 40 6/2/2015 at 09:54 (3,244 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Question Is 90$ a lot for 2 months in the US? Or average? We got our annual bill last week and with our new high sewer rate (new clarification plant = 5€ more per m³), we paid ~2000€ for our yearly ~250m³. Thats about 66k gallons for ~2200$. So: Whats your average water bill? | ||
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Post# 826220 , Reply# 41 6/2/2015 at 11:25 (3,243 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Cool Joe.....can't wait for it to arrive and get your take on its performance.....
most of the reviews I read, people really liked these machines as well......not a bad price you paid as well...you caught the sale at a good time...... we do have to get more videos of these machines uploaded, there are so few of them in action...... there was no special trick to by-passing the lid switch....for mine it was located behind the left lid hinge.....two screws and four tabs, and the back part lifted off, I drilled a hole and installed a switch, from there on, I can operate it with the lid open.... keep us posted..... | ||
| Post# 826369 , Reply# 42 6/2/2015 at 21:15 (3,243 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Henrick - I haven't had a water bill in ages, but when I lived in Tucson, I did. It averaged about $20-30 per month, which I thought was very reasonable (especially in the desert!). My water here is included in my condo fee. My friend who has a house nearby though said his is about $100 a month. But there are about 5 people in the house using water so I imagine that's why it's a bit high. Of course nothing compared to what you guys pay. Wow.
Martin - I will definitely take some videos. From what I could tell, the RCA machines were sold mostly in Canada. I just discovered that the Danby machines have an agitator! Seriously cool…though they are significantly more expensive. I'm still happy that I decided on this one though. :) | ||
| Post# 826701 , Reply# 44 6/5/2015 at 07:56 (3,241 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Pillows!
I just cleaned my pillows using a combination of the Soak cycle and a couple Rinse cycles and they cleaned AWESOME. The Soak cycle sprays water more than other cycles. I set it to about an hour soak and flipped them half way. I layed the pillows flat across the basket, as opposed to around the impeller so the spray would cover more area. I still want to try washing them on the Normal cycle to see how they do with lower water. The Soak cycle basically fills that way but it agitates less.
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Post# 826730 , Reply# 45 6/5/2015 at 15:14 (3,240 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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so far I am liking 'Sheets cycle'........uses a really decent amount of water.....
just have to pay attention with the lid open, this cycle for instance does not do the concentrated saturation spray, in the middle of regular filling, it dispenses detergent, once filled it goes into agitation, no waterfall until later into the wash part......keeping in mind for this cycle to add detergent directly to the load.... the dispensers flush a lot through out the cycle as well.......noting that the softener uses hot water, bleach uses cold, detergent is based on wash temp selected... dispensers dispense even if the buttons are not pressed...... by default, one rinse is a saturated spray......unless softener is selected.... if extra rinse is selected, first is a saturated spray followed by a deep fill rinse.... even if you don't select softener, it will still dispense and saturate the load before spinning.... just some interesting things you have to catch this machine in operation..... stopped by Lowes, and checked out the Whirlpool version, they have a darker blue impellor, but noted also the tub is concave, along with the impellor, compared to what used to be a flat bottom....over time, their getting better with their designs and functions.... | ||
| Post# 826767 , Reply# 47 6/5/2015 at 21:25 (3,240 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I like the sheets cycle too actually. I guess how they program it, is so the sheets don't balloon up. It works really well!
I noticed the weird flushings too. lol. I was reading one of the Maytag manuals and it specifically states that the dispenser will flush even if FS is not selected, if an extra rinse is selected. I went to try that on mine and it flushed even without the extra rinse. Odd. BTW I got my RCA today and washed a couple loads. I did my lights and it was perfect. Also I washed my squishy microfiber bath math and it was absolutely perfect for washing it. I had so many issues with it in my Hydrowave…because the tub was almost too big and the mat didn't wash well. In this I folded it in half horizontally and then again, and it fit perfectly in the tub. It agitated quite well. I used the gentle cycle which had shorter pulses. 2 rinses and it was clean. Used my new bottle of Persil 2in1. I'm VERY happy I got this great machine! | ||
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Post# 827454 , Reply# 48 6/10/2015 at 17:20 (3,235 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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yeah, I am surprised of the capacity of these small machines, and how well it actually handles a load.....compared to the impellor machines of yesteryear...you can't adjust the water level on HE machines, yet on these little ones, they have selections that use plenty....I could actually use mine as a HE with the lowest level, and gentle agitation, and the waterfalls...I might try that out...
I wasn't quite sure with the Cabrios of how much water it was saving versus a regular TLer....on Normal, it used 10 gallons, all I measured was the first drain......but add in the spin sprays and the dispenser flushes, probably staying around 18 to 20....still not bad.....my curiosity was of the floating basket, and how much water was needed to make it rise, and thinking of that unused water for that purpose......it just appeared that a lot more was being wasted, but not as much as I thought it was using.... all in all, definitely like this version better than the belt drive one....you would think it wouldn't be too much to ask for a bit more water and a waterfall for the BD unit....I can understand X and XL as far as capacity, but why not make them operate the same.....some things we'll never know.... | ||
| Post# 828049 , Reply# 50 6/14/2015 at 20:56 (3,231 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Thanks for the great info Terry! I hardly ever have cash on hand so I won't have to worry too much about coins!! lol I am SOOOOO happy with this machine. I can't wait to wash my clothes every week. haha. How sad is that?
I paid $549 for mine, still a good deal I think. I kept my GE dryer that is not even a year old. It works fine. I was thinking about getting a hybrid dryer perhaps, not sure yet. I've broken down an Olds 307 V8 so hopefully i can manage a washing machine. But lets hope I won't have to worry about that for a while :) | ||
| Post# 831505 , Reply# 53 7/9/2015 at 07:37 (3,207 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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@Scrubflex
Hi Scrubflex! The full model number is 110.28102310. I don't know the part number for the impeller however, but I'm sure you can look it up easily with the model number.
I continue to be completely satisfied with this machine. I still haven't clean my queen size comforter because it's folded away for the summer. BUT I do wash 2 queen size blankets together weekly and it does a great job with those. The turn over is a bit slow but it cleans very well, despite. I use the Deep Wash cycle for those, as well as my towels and sometimes large loads of clothes. It behaves more like a traditional washer on that setting. This model can be quite aggressive depending on cycle but it seems to be very gentle on the garments regardless. I haven't noticed any wear and tear beyond normal. I think Sears still has them available. You will have to check though. They were discontinued so I'm sure supply is probably limited. | ||
| Post# 831576 , Reply# 54 7/9/2015 at 18:40 (3,206 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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Thanks joeypete...have you seen Kenmore's new Triple Action Impeller, I'll post a couple of pics and try a video of it in action from Kenmore. | ||
| Post# 831577 , Reply# 55 7/9/2015 at 18:51 (3,206 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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I'll see if this works...it does, the Kenmore clip of the Triple Action Impeller in action...check it out. CLICK HERE TO GO TO scrubflex's LINK | ||
| Post# 831584 , Reply# 56 7/9/2015 at 19:54 (3,206 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 831757 , Reply# 57 7/10/2015 at 20:18 (3,205 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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More Videos! | ||
| Post# 831783 , Reply# 58 7/10/2015 at 23:09 (3,205 days old) by midcentnurse (Lake Charles, La) | ||
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| Post# 831788 , Reply# 59 7/10/2015 at 23:34 (3,205 days old) by midcentnurse (Lake Charles, La) | ||
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And notice these top load no water things are by far the flashiest, most fanciful looking machines out there. The better to lure in unsuspecting consumers. They just don't make sense. Even the tub indexing is counter productive. I'm sorry joeypete to tear down a machine you enjoy using but I just can't not say what I see..
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| Post# 831790 , Reply# 60 7/10/2015 at 23:56 (3,205 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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| Post# 831818 , Reply# 61 7/11/2015 at 06:20 (3,205 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 831820 , Reply# 62 7/11/2015 at 06:33 (3,205 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 831839 , Reply# 64 7/11/2015 at 09:31 (3,205 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Thanks for the videos. I think the taller impeller does better than the new, flat one. YouTuber CruellaUrsula has tons of videos of the new Whirlpool on his channel:
CLICK HERE TO GO TO Logixx's LINK | ||
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Post# 831873 , Reply# 65 7/11/2015 at 15:23 (3,204 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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you have to get past the mental thought of cleaning only happens during agitation....
if you really watched one of these machines in action......cleaning starts just after the start button is pushed..... first is the Catalyst Pre-Treatment of a heavy dose of detergent lather.....like washing your hands, a good dose of soap, and a bit of water, lathered up real well, over and under, and completely through all parts, then rinsed clean under running water... I can't say that its a perfect wash for a big puffy comforter, but for blankets and quilts, it does a decent job...... for most people, how dirty do your clothes actually get?.....unless your a mechanic or washing soiled cloth diapers, there may be a concern...but not really, I have access to both for test loads, it does a great job.... you have to load properly, set the controls for the correct cycle....and let it do it's thing..... all I can really add, since I have both models, the direct drive functions better than the belt drive....I have an older model without the DeepWash feature, but on the DD I do have the waterfall, which is an added benefit.... newer machines are being built to correct errors from the past ones....probably best advice for any of them, steer clear of the 'normal' cycle for best results...... | ||
| Post# 831913 , Reply# 67 7/12/2015 at 01:14 (3,204 days old) by dartman (Portland Oregon) | ||
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woops, already mentioned buying the bigger dryer. Well can't delete posts as a free member and got all excited that the thread got active again, darned crs kicking in. | ||
| Post# 832020 , Reply# 68 7/12/2015 at 20:42 (3,203 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 832028 , Reply# 69 7/12/2015 at 21:14 (3,203 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I love my machine. A few days ago, I took our grill apart to clean it after over a year of use between the last time it was cleaned. It's a Charbroil Infrared, so it has the iron trough under the grates. I sprayed it down with Easy-Off after letting it run on the clean temperature and scrubbing the grates. After that I had a bucket of soapy water and a white dishrag that I was sure would be ruined. Afterwards, the rag was nearly black. I rinsed it numerous times and lathered it with soap, repeating over and over, to no avail. I tried letting it sit for a few hours in hot water with a scoop of Oxi-Clean, still with no improvement of the whiteness. Not really concerned about it, but I figured I'd give it a try anyway. After that, I tossed it in with a full load of the rest of the towels. Being a load that was up to the tub ring and heavily soiled, it got a full scoop of Tide HE Turbo, but nothing else. Shockingly, after one cycle, I couldn't find which of the dish cloths was the one I used for the grill. I know that speaks wonders for the Tide, but detergent has to have a good washer in order to perform its job properly. Our clothes are normally only exposed to sweat and oils from going to the gym and normal everyday wear, but there are many items that endure oils and food soils from cooking, and dirt from working out in the yard and on the cars. Regardless, no matter how filthy things are, I have yet to need a second wash or an overnight soak to get stains out. Sure, it may not be for everyone, because it does require a little more attention to loading habits and detergent/additive dosage, but I've never been more impressed with a laundry machine as I have been with this "BravOasis". If I can get twice the amount of laundry done in a single cycle while using less water, energy, and detergent and fabric softener, and have it all come out in brilliant condition, then hey, more for me. :)
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| Post# 832061 , Reply# 70 7/13/2015 at 06:31 (3,203 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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That's awesome Andrew! I think good detergent makes a world of difference but you def need a good machine too. I cleaned out my car last week and being so OCD I also cleaned out the engine compartment (I know). I washed the rag with some other ones in my RCA portable with some Persil. Same thing, I couldn't tell which rag I used. It was a really small load so I didn't bother my Kenmore with it :)
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