Thread Number: 60424
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Newest Whirlpool duet explosion found.... |
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Post# 830805 , Reply# 1   7/5/2015 at 10:04 (3,189 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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By the knob though, i can tell its the older model duet. I haven't seen any of the newer duets/maximas do this. Which I hope is a good sign.. |
Post# 830840 , Reply# 2   7/5/2015 at 12:45 (3,189 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 831145 , Reply# 5   7/7/2015 at 07:07 (3,187 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 831159 , Reply# 6   7/7/2015 at 07:48 (3,187 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 831283 , Reply# 8   7/7/2015 at 19:25 (3,186 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Can you say Broken Spider and I wash all my clothing in cold water and NEVER use bleach, LOL. You can tell just from looking at the moldy broken parts what probably lead up to this event.
I really think many days that many people should just go to the laundromat, and not be allowed to have DWs as well. The stuff we see everyday in homes is pretty scary. The interesting thing is a washer like this could be used in a laundromat for ever and never suffer a broken spider.
John L.
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Post# 831309 , Reply# 9   7/7/2015 at 23:20 (3,186 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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>I really think many days that many people should just go to the laundromat, and not be allowed to have DWs as well.
Laundromat repair people might not agree. LOL I remember going to one where the owner was busy fixing washers, and he was grumbling loudly about the extra work generated by the idiots, er, users. That same place had signs about overloading that said roughly: "If you overload and the machine breaks we will NOT refund your $2!" Perhaps we should just issue scrub boards to everyone unless they pass a special test. LOL However, to be fair, a lot of people out there are working with flawed information. Cold water washing environmental "advantages" are pushed so hard now, and yet one seldom hears anything else. |
Post# 831310 , Reply# 10   7/7/2015 at 23:21 (3,186 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Post# 831346 , Reply# 13   7/8/2015 at 07:18 (3,186 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 831374 , Reply# 15   7/8/2015 at 12:18 (3,186 days old) by Logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 831653 , Reply# 17   7/10/2015 at 09:16 (3,184 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 831656 , Reply# 18   7/10/2015 at 09:29 (3,184 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 831883 , Reply# 20   7/11/2015 at 17:11 (3,182 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 831895 , Reply# 21   7/11/2015 at 20:09 (3,182 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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That kills the whiff has been a good vintage bar soap. I say vintage because most are no longer produced, well at least not in their original form.
Kirkman's Borax and Fels Naptha work wonders on clearing out nasty yellowing and whiffy underarms. When fresh perspiration is pH neutral to mildly acidic. However if the stuff is allowed to sit it will become alkaline. This explains the old advice to use alkaline substances on fresh whiff stains and acid on older ones. You want to use the opposite of what the stain is to neutralize. Best way to protect against perspiration stains is to wear undergarments or use shields. Oh and launder items shortly after they have been worn if exposed to sweat. Chucking things into a hamper and allowing them to marinate for several days (or weeks) is going to make the problem worse. |
Post# 839700 , Reply# 22   9/5/2015 at 13:19 (3,127 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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You have got to be kidding me, I dont understand why this is being handled so lightly. It's only a matter of time before someone gets badly injured because of this. CLICK HERE TO GO TO washerdude's LINK |
Post# 839702 , Reply# 23   9/5/2015 at 13:26 (3,127 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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But this time with a Maytag unit. Whirlpool needs to bring out an answer for this, I think its quite obvious why this happens and they still take it lightly....wonderful. CLICK HERE TO GO TO washerdude's LINK |
Post# 839706 , Reply# 25   9/5/2015 at 13:46 (3,127 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 839709 , Reply# 27   9/5/2015 at 14:11 (3,127 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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For a washer to sustain this type of damage it had to be going near full speed and there is no sensor on any washer that will suddenly stop a washer under that condition if something catastrophicly fails or the load quickly becomes unbalanced such as a mattress cover with a plastic cover where the water is released suddenly when the plastic cover ruptures.
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Post# 839723 , Reply# 28   9/5/2015 at 16:40 (3,126 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)   |   | |
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I have not heard of any of these machines doing this. However, I agree with Malcolm, if you aren't supposed to use a high speed spin on a bulky cycle, maybe the machine should have a overide to a lower spin speed. It seems to me, if you use a bulky cycle, you would want a high speed spin to get the items as dry as possible. Just sayin!
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Post# 839750 , Reply# 29   9/5/2015 at 19:43 (3,126 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 839755 , Reply# 31   9/5/2015 at 20:31 (3,126 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Well in theory yes, but actual practice is another matter.
High spin speeds place great stress on parts of a H-Axis washer. These are multiplied if the load is unbalanced and or very heavy. End result is almost always the same; shortened lifespan of the machine as rear bearings, shock absorbers/suspension system and or other parts such as drum spider simply become worn out. It is totally possible to build/design H-Axis washer to withstand high G-force spins and keep in keeping on; lord knows commercial units have done so for ages, this however costs money. Even Miele washers from certain build series are not immune to the stress of frequent high speed final spins. If you search the Internet there are plenty of reports of 1900 series units with failed rear bearings and other such problems. In particular the 1918 series which IIRC had final spin speeds up to 1600rpms. Miele seems to have learned from that mistake and future washers stopped at 1400 rpms spins IIRC. Indeed it does seem even in Europe final spin speeds of 1600, 1800 fell out of favor. The stress placed upon the washer versus returns in terms of extra moisture removed just isn't worth bothering with. Largest difference in terms of water extraction comes when going from say 800rpms to 1000rpms or up to 1400rpms. After that the moisture extracted really isn't much. That is the one percent or so (maybe less) increase in moisture removal has nil to no impact in (machine) drying times. |
Post# 839761 , Reply# 32   9/5/2015 at 21:17 (3,126 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I use the Bulky Cycle on my LG FL for heavy items like rugs, king comforters, king bedspeads, ect. The spin speed is limited to med., the default spin speed, or low. When the heavy load is done, I run a spin only on ex. high of high for extra extraction, There is never a problem with the machine spinning at the the higher speed once the majority of the water weight is gone after the med. spin. This really helps to reduce the dry times and only takes a few mins. extra time.
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Post# 839770 , Reply# 33   9/5/2015 at 22:20 (3,126 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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My question is now, if the concrete blocks are holding the machine down, then why not bolt them down to the bottom of the unit insted? CLICK HERE TO GO TO washerdude's LINK |
Post# 839774 , Reply# 34   9/5/2015 at 22:55 (3,126 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Concrete weights are on top to exert downward pressure/weight to counter the upwards forces generated by the suds container.
Concrete is actually the cheap way out, better machines such as Miele and some other European brands used or still use cast iron. This accounts for the bulk/weight of these machines. Concrete blocks can and often breakdown. That and or one good "bang" from an out of balanced load will cause them to break. There are two schools of design when it comes to front loaders and counter weights. The older model which used heavy materials such as cast iron thus affording protection allowing washers to spin a badly unbalanced load without damage (much) and remain relatively stable. The other school which you see more and more of today with modern machines is to have electronics control the machine to minimize unbalanced load and thus any potential damage while keeping things stable. My older Miele washer has only a set number of attempts to balance/distribute a load. When the timer says "lets roll" it will spin regardless, banging, clanging and vibrating away. This was pretty much the same for all older front loaders even those with concrete counter weights. Now my more modern Oko-Lavamat uses sensors and computers to control drum movements. If it is determined a load isn't balanced enough to spin properly either it won't or will do so slowly. That or it will stop and attempt to redistribute the load into something that can be handled. These new out of balance controls are a response to front loaders that spun badly unbalanced loads an in the process not only damaged themselves but often anything around them. The problem is depending upon how the things are programmed they can be too sensitive to unbalanced loads. Thus you hear complaints about machines taking ages to rev up to spin speeds and or simply giving up and not spinning at all. |
Post# 839777 , Reply# 35   9/5/2015 at 23:02 (3,126 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 839819 , Reply# 37   9/6/2015 at 08:35 (3,126 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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We don't know what happened here.
If you put a plastic covered mattress pad in any washer ever built and the machine balances properly and gets up to full speed and then the plastic covers ruptures and the load suddenly becomes unbalanced the washer can be destroyed. This is like throwing a cinder block in a machine while spinning at full speed. Speed Queen FL washers do use only cast iron counter balance weighs,this is part of the reason they can out between 3 or more regular FL washers. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Combo52's LINK |
Post# 839824 , Reply# 38   9/6/2015 at 09:15 (3,126 days old) by washerdude (Canada )   |   | |
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Looks like we got it happening on video! But its a samsung unit this time..not Whirlpool. CLICK HERE TO GO TO washerdude's LINK |
Post# 839828 , Reply# 39   9/6/2015 at 09:40 (3,126 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Commercial use, thus no chance he will get anything back. Any this being the only washer, in a Spa, doing towels for 4 whole years, that was probably a bearing\spider failure. Best case of somebody using a washer to its physical death. |
Post# 839829 , Reply# 40   9/6/2015 at 09:47 (3,126 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Although I am just guessing...I shudder to think of a nail salon washing their towels in cold water! Yuck! Want to punish me for life? Make me work in a nail salon dealing with nasty toes and nails day in and out.
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Post# 839835 , Reply# 41   9/6/2015 at 11:37 (3,126 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 839836 , Reply# 42   9/6/2015 at 11:49 (3,126 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Top load machines have had catastrophic failures too.
Part of the reason that we occasionally see this problem today is because modern machines make an actual attempt to spin out the water from the load. Except for a very odd mechanical failure due to a defect, all these spinsplosions are due to improper use of the machine in some way. Pretty sure a rock in a stream has never had a catastrophic failure either. Perhaps we should all go back to this advanced form of laundry... |
Post# 839908 , Reply# 44   9/7/2015 at 00:41 (3,125 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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TL washers-new high speed ones fail too-many episodes of that on YouTube-yes--mostly due to user abuse.They need to read the owners manual and warning labels posted on the machine!Samsung,LG. |
Post# 839940 , Reply# 45   9/7/2015 at 05:05 (3,125 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 839967 , Reply# 47   9/7/2015 at 07:41 (3,125 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 839990 , Reply# 49   9/7/2015 at 10:19 (3,125 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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Post# 840177 , Reply# 51   9/8/2015 at 06:55 (3,124 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Bud, most of the things you list are much too expensive to install on automatic washers, also SSWs are not a big problem, probably less than than one-in-a-million will ever suffer such a failure and to my knowledge no one has ever been injured by a washer SS.
Even if a brake was applied as the washer went out of control it would still be totaled almost instantly, and if a 1957 Unimatic Frigidaire washer suddenly went out of balance at full speed it would severely damage itself if not destroy itself. |
Post# 840231 , Reply# 52   9/8/2015 at 11:01 (3,124 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Bud, most of the things you list are much too expensive to install on automatic washers, also SSWs are not a big problem, probably less than than one-in-a-million will ever suffer such a failure and to my knowledge no one has ever been injured by a washer SSing.
Even if a brake was applied as the washer went out of control it would still be totaled almost instantly, and if a 1957 Unimatic Frigidaire washer suddenly went out of balance at full speed it would severely damage itself if not destroy itself.
Even though automobiles are designed to crash they still get destroyed in the process, in the very rare and unlikely event a washer crashes it is just not something that is practical to try to design around, IMEO. |
Post# 840268 , Reply# 53   9/8/2015 at 15:50 (3,123 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Capacity front loader, and maybe will do so one of these days if and or when Big Bertha finally goes...
But quite honeslty our local laundromat recently went through a refit with all new SQ electonically controlled front loaders. They spin between wash and all rinses with the largest holding 50lbs or so. For about $8 and change (chosing certain cycles increases cost by $.25/ea.) can do large loads that would take several hours if done either in the Miele or Oko-Lavamat. Best of all am not putting either machine through long cycle duty hours. Just as with the machines show in the above vid can cram the drum on these machines full of at least five, six or more full sets of bed linen (two sheets and four pillow slips each) and things will still compact down to the drum being barely half full once wet. Bed linen is rarely markedto the point of needing advances cycles for stain removal. If there are any marks a bit of pre-treating before things are sent to the wash solves that problem. At $8/ea. use it would take ages for me to equal the cost of a SQ or (when it was around) Miele 4000 series washer. Best of all don't have to worry about the service and maintenance issues. Yes, one gives up some comfort in having to go out; and if one lived in a more rural or suburban area probably would feel differently. But the laundormat is just down the street and round corner. Can load up machine, start, and go home only to return when things are done. |
Post# 840427 , Reply# 54   9/9/2015 at 15:11 (3,122 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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Post# 840458 , Reply# 55   9/9/2015 at 18:50 (3,122 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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At least. Cannot recall the last time one has seen one.
Apparently there is/was a huge liability issue which meant often mat owners couldn't obtain insurance if an extractor was on premises. This was for coin operated laundries, not sure about other commercial sorts. Mat owners either love or hate the things....www.coinwash.com/mb/showthread.ph... Now if one could lay hands on a Montex extractor (hint a member has one....) like Martha Stewart has at Skylands that would be another story..... www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... |
Post# 840612 , Reply# 58   9/10/2015 at 15:45 (3,121 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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When calculating extraction results.
Amount of moisture extracted is directly related in proportion to not only speed of spin but size of drum. For instance once you get past say 20lb capacity or so you stop seeing spin speeds >1400 rpms or so. Not only is the need for such speed reduced by the larger drum diameter allowing same extraction at lower speeds, but there is a great danger of having large to uber sized machines spinning at very high speeds. Contrary to popular belief once you get above a certain weight class for commercial H-axis washers most are soft mounted, not hard. This is because of the forces generated during extraction are transmitted down though the machine to the floors and throughout the building. With a hard-mount it is said you can stand anywhere in a building and tell when machines are spinning. Indeed at local laundromat when the 50lb SQ coin-op machines are spinning a large and unbalanced load you can feel the vibrations even when standing several feet away. Extractors made sense first back in the day when washers did just that, washed and rinsed. You moved laundry to another machine (the extractor) to remove water. That or used a wringer I suppose. For Laundromats when top loaders dominated again there was a need for extractors to cut drying time as early units had very low spin speeds. Indeed so did many front loaders. Today many coin operated and even OPL front loaders have realized the value of high "G-force" extraction so the value of a Bock or similar machine is often nil. |