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Post# 124372   4/25/2006 at 12:09 (6,568 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        

Regarding the Ebay auction of the Frigidaire parts. The seller has advised the buyer that several of the club members have been calling with long lists and requesting specific parts that are on the Ebay auction. The auction states ''complete'' parts inventory and that's what the buyer bought. Heaven (and legal) help those (the seller and the snake) that tries and get any parts out of the warehouse since it was a COMPLETE auction of the parts. We have photos of what was on the shelves. Never in my wildest dreams did I EVER think that I would have to write a note like this. And NO the winning bidder wasn't me, but I will certainly back the winning bidder. Mark




Post# 124381 , Reply# 1   4/25/2006 at 12:31 (6,568 days old) by brettsomers ()        

perhaps these inquiries were made in an attempt to get an idea of the specifics of the inventory? if i was bidding, i would want a specific idea of the parts included. in any case, i imagine the seller would be solely responsible for safeguarding the merchanise until delivery is taken. is the sellers integrity in question? and if the worst is true, SHAME on you! if you wanted the inventory you shoulda bid!

Post# 124388 , Reply# 2   4/25/2006 at 12:54 (6,568 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
the problem is....

....the seller has been bombarded with requests for parts (with the part numbers) by several of the members of the club, to be sold off on the side, so to speak. Because of this, the seller now thinks that perhaps his inventory was more valueable than he thought when he listed it on Ebay, which is going to cause a real problem since all the seller is interested in is the money. We have pictures of the inventory. So, the seller has been put on notice, and hopefully the people that are contacting the seller aside from the winner is too. Mark

Post# 124393 , Reply# 3   4/25/2006 at 12:58 (6,568 days old) by brettsomers ()        

i just read the original thread (Laundress). i now understand why and how messy this might get. Yikes!

Post# 124405 , Reply# 4   4/25/2006 at 13:13 (6,568 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Personally I am not involved in this in any way, I didn't send any parts list and I'm not interested in any of those parts because as I been collecting these for over ten years and I've stockpiled enough to keep all of my Frigidaire stuff going for the rest of my life. With that said I'm reluctantly going to put in my two cents here because I don't want this getting out of control and turning into a big war on our website.

Mark may I suggest that you help this mystery buyer in any way you can and get him or her down to Mississippi and get this stuff out of there ASAP and I mean ASAP like tomorrow, and I'm not kidding. It seems like there is no time to waste now.

I do not want this situation spinning out of control and making for any bad feelings going around here between members. The buyer won ALL those parts fair and square and Steve was rightfully so to buy those beautiful machines as they were not part of the parts auction.

Enough said about that now. A big congratulations to the mystery buyer who ever you are.


Post# 124407 , Reply# 5   4/25/2006 at 13:16 (6,568 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Well I did warn you guys about this, didn't I?

While it is rare, there is every chance the seller may balk at completing the deal (it does happen),and there is not one single thing anyone including eBay can do about the matter. The winning bidder can post negative feedback, but eBay's TOS clearly state they cannot force a seller to complete a transaction. Taking money and refusing to ship merchandise is another matter.

Next time one stumbles across something like this, may just leave the auction to it's own devices; if a member or members find it on their own, so be it.

Said it before: softee,softee, catchee monkey.


Post# 124409 , Reply# 6   4/25/2006 at 13:30 (6,568 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
Robert....

...the person that won the auction IS going to make the parts available to anyone that needs them, and that's why I encouraged him to bid on them. He can keep his machines going, and hopefully everyone else's too. You and I both know that there are lots of machine parts out there, but ask the members if they have a part, and NO ONE STEPS UP TO SAY THEY DO. (like the 1-18 jet cone agitator that is needed by a member.... I KNOW of three members that have extras...but do you think they would part with one???) IT's just SAD. When I asked about the Kelvinator boots, NO ONE HAD ANY (except Greg, and he only had one left for a machine that he was rebuilding.) Several weeks ago though one turned up for another member that requested one by another member that I HAD ASKED SPECIFICALLY. Anyway, just sad. Mark

Post# 124410 , Reply# 7   4/25/2006 at 13:41 (6,568 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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As I said in the original thread, I am in need of some parts for my WO-65. However, I've not contacted anyone directly, and I don't expect to have access to anything unless a public offer is made by the buyer. I hope there's some kind of security effort in place!

Post# 124414 , Reply# 8   4/25/2006 at 13:50 (6,568 days old) by brettsomers ()        
When I asked about the Kelvinator boots

its the same with vacuum collectors. the only difference is, when it comes to a rare part, you really cant expect too much. its good to have friends that share an interest, but rare appliance parts are like currency. if i know where to find extra parts, i will gladly share the info, but im not going to hand out truly rare parts. god bless the truly generous, cause you cant take generosity for granted. im with Robert, hard feelings are not what this forum is about.

Post# 124416 , Reply# 9   4/25/2006 at 13:52 (6,568 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
more than sad

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This is more than sad - this is just plain disgusting. It's a seller's market (consider that in big capitals and bold) not a buyer's. Gosh, I sure hope this was just an anomally. If this is the way things go around here all the time, I might as well look for a brace of screaming queens down in some dumpy Denver bar when I return to the 'States. At least they don't pretend to be anything else.
For what my newbie-two-cents are worth: The next time something great like this comes up, 'tis probably best to just quietly seal the deal and then, if you like, offer the stuff to the rest at a fair price.
That said: I joined this group because I like vintage machines and the very interesting stories to be told on this site. I am very much looking forward to getting to know several of you; the e-mail correspondence with many of you over the last weeks has been great. (Sorry I've been a bit lax the past few days, have been doing double duty as examiner all over Bavaria. Promise to write back!)


Post# 124425 , Reply# 10   4/25/2006 at 14:34 (6,568 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I agree with most of the things you said Mark but parts are a very precious commodity and many of us have put in years worth of hard work, time, money and energy searching them out and not depending on other collectors for them. I personally believe that parts should not be sold or given away on a whim; I’ve learned my lesson about that years ago, unless you have quite a bit of any one part, more than you could possibly ever need. Kelivnator boots are a perfect example, I have two extra Kelvinator boots in my parts stash, but I also have two washers that use those boots and eventually they will need two boots to replace them, these machines aren’t getting any younger and I want to be able use them for the rest of my life. Now I did recently find a third boot and I did give that boot away to a member who needed it for his Kelvinator, but will I be giving away any more Kelvinator boots when I down to only two left??? Of course not that would be ridiculous. If I had 20 boots in my parts stash, I certainly would have sold or given away 15 of them, but its extremely rare that someone has an “overstock” of any one particular part. The fact that you couldn’t find any boots caused you to do a very smart and honorable thing, you went out and have new ones made, that was just ingenious and the best possible scenario to this whole situation. Now you have enough Kelvinator boots forever and will never have to worry about those again, a lot of us were very impressed when you did that.

My point here is and it’s just my personal opinion through experience, but I’m sure other old time collectors would agree, there are a lot of options out there to finding parts, none of them are easy and it takes lots of time and dedication. Depending on other collectors for getting your parts should be used only as an absolute LAST resort.


Post# 124440 , Reply# 11   4/25/2006 at 15:15 (6,568 days old) by brettsomers ()        
Depending on other collectors for getting your parts should

Yes Yes Yes.

Post# 124443 , Reply# 12   4/25/2006 at 15:23 (6,568 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
Robert, I agree...

Yes Robert, I agree. But. If I have parts that I know I'm not going to be using, I certainly offer them to someone that needs them. There's several collector's that have quite a stash that you and I both know they will never be able to use, and will most likely die with them. What's the point in that? You had some Kelvinator boots too??? LOL!!! However that WAS NOT THE POINT of my message. The POINT was, DON'T try and undermine someone that has found something by telling the seller that you would have paid more for the item. IF YOU WANT SOMETHING, THEN B I D ON IT! Mark

Post# 124448 , Reply# 13   4/25/2006 at 15:42 (6,568 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Now this right here REALLY pisses me off and gets my blood boiling. I'm glad the parts stayed in the club, but that's just the point: THEY STAYED IN THE CLUB!!! Why does ANYONE feel like they have to contact the SELLER for specific items AFTER THE AUCTION HAS CLOSED WITH A DEFINITE BUYER??? This lot is supposed to be a huge inventory of parts with lots of surplus items, so why not contact the buyer afterwards with said requests? I'm sure there's a Frigidaire tub wrench or two in the lot that I desperately need for future occurrences, but are I going to constantly email the seller with innane requests for one?? Of course not! I had the same thing happen to me back in '04 when I bought the Bendix; the idiot 2nd bidder contacting the seller that he wanted it!!! Why not just respect everyone and their wishes??? Ain't that difficult, people!

Anyone who has been doing this deserves a little 1-18 Jet Action on their heads...


Post# 124450 , Reply# 14   4/25/2006 at 15:48 (6,568 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
Amen Westy, Amen!

Mark

Post# 124451 , Reply# 15   4/25/2006 at 15:55 (6,568 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
visualizing some.......

1-18 Jet Action on their heads... LOL Austin !!!!!!



Post# 124454 , Reply# 16   4/25/2006 at 16:04 (6,568 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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The POINT was, DON'T try and undermine someone that has found something by telling the seller that you would have paid more for the item. IF YOU WANT SOMETHING, THEN B I D ON IT! Mark

You said it Mark! I agree with you 100% that's what auction sites are all about anyway.


Post# 124457 , Reply# 17   4/25/2006 at 16:17 (6,568 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Ok Boys, Simmer Down

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While only a "junior" member of the club myself, we must remember there are many members who rarely post (if ever) but do have access to the wesite. Free to read all the posts and though they do not contribute in those terms, never the less are "members". Do not think, or rather would hope that we none of us who regulary "chat" would sneak behind another member's back, after he/she won an auction trying to cut a side deal.

The above not withstanding, if something does happen poorly for the winning bidder due to contacts from members seeking deals, I for one will cut them without hesitation. Only thing worse than liars and tattle-tales are sneaks IMHO.

Forget "1-18's" their heads, someone get me a horse and a rope. *LOL* (In a pinch a flatbed will do)*LOL*

L.


Post# 124461 , Reply# 18   4/25/2006 at 16:24 (6,568 days old) by maytagmom ()        
CAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And with all the birthdays around here today....I think Uni should don his pinny, and whip up something fantabulous!!!
hehee



Post# 124474 , Reply# 19   4/25/2006 at 18:27 (6,568 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Using a vintage Sunbeam Mixmaster of course. Ok or a Hamilton Beach, Dormeyer or GE Triple Whip. LOL

I hate reading about stuff like this because it just goes so against own way of thinking that some would try to undermine someone else.


Post# 124477 , Reply# 20   4/25/2006 at 18:48 (6,568 days old) by bethann (Indianapolis)        
Hey Guy's

I'm sure whoever won the auction had the intention of helping out other club members with parts. From the look of that auction there are more that enough parts for everyone. Everyone one here should be glad that someone from the site got the parts! If not they could be pieced out over ebay. Plus they have to take the time,expense,cost and catalog everything and so forth. If someone one is emailing the seller they need to stop it. I'm sure after the buyer gets things in order everyone will be notified of what's on hand. There is so many different collectors on the site of all different brands I'm sure there will be enough for everyone. At this point if I was the buyer I would get a list from the seller and find out who the emails were from and tell them to kiss my ass! OK, I'm done! Shame , Shame!

Post# 124492 , Reply# 21   4/25/2006 at 19:16 (6,568 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        

Bethann, my Dear, you are a hoot! We now know who the culprits are. And yes, shame, shame, shame! Mark

Post# 124506 , Reply# 22   4/25/2006 at 20:10 (6,568 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Ohhhh, somebody is going to the woodshed!

L>


Post# 124536 , Reply# 23   4/25/2006 at 21:32 (6,568 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
Hello From the Horses Mouth

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"At this point if I was the buyer I would get a list from the seller and find out who the emails were from and tell them to kiss my ass! OK, I'm done! Shame , Shame!"

Well guess what guys and gals. These two "REAL GENTLEMEN" who placed this sale are and would be willing to tell all. Remember I spent 4 hours with them.

Yesterday, I received a call from one of them (Paul) wanting to know who would be calling him about a 3-ring agitator sprinkler. He knew he had given it to me, although I thought he had more. They requestor (you know who you are) asked him to call me to get it back so he could buy it from the seller.
1-18 heads banging is not enough. Place those heads next to a kelvy during the magic minute.

Word of advice from the redneck member. if you are a seller on flea bay, NEVER PUT YOUR NUMBER ON THERE!!!!!!!!

It is kind of the owners/sellers fault too.

I will not disclose, but will be there again this weekend to assits the buyer. As I had posted, I could and will assits if asked. ALL members will be happy with the final bidder.

I am really excited to see this case close.

Steve



Post# 124570 , Reply# 24   4/25/2006 at 23:55 (6,568 days old) by todde ()        
It was ME!

Well, I haven't posted in almost a year, and it took me about 20 trys to figure out my password, but I feel this was worth it. First of all several untruths are going on.

I. I never made a call to the seller (I used the option of ask seller a question).
2. I asked the seller if he had any 3 ring laundry sprinklers. In no way did I mention this site, or in any way ask hiim to get it back from Steve. (I mean how ridiculous would that be!)
3. The seller sent me 3 emails back (1 of which I saved in my email, as it was the only one pertaining to my question). Which I forwarded onto Steve, and from the sellers answer to my question, one would have to figure out what I'm saying is true.

Interestingly enough, his first email was that he didn't know about the sprinkler but could let me have some melted buttons (still don't understand that one), some red spinning tops, and cases of glasses. I have no interest in any of those as I only collect laundry supplies, not promotional items. After I said I was only interested in the sprinkler, he emailed me that he would have to look further for it. I than got a third email asking for my name and phone number so he could contact me when he found it. I'm sure at this point it was prompted from someone to find out who was making the inquiry.

I don't have any vintage machines and probably never will, so I have no interest in parts. I really don't like being portrayed as someone awful for inquiring about a laundry sprinkler which I wouldn't regard as (parts inventory). Why if they were thought to be part of the parts inventory, why would Steve have one, when the original inventory was not to be compromised. He only made his trip to the seller, after the listing on Ebay. I just do not appreciated being portrayed in this manner. I would not put all of my trust in the "Real Gentlemen" sellers, afterall they were offering me things I never even knew exsisted. Maybe they didn't think these item were part of the inventory. So that would make all of us in this email, "REAL GENTLEMEN."

I just hope members can look at this with open eyes, seeing I was singled out in this link. I don't know about member who wanted parts, and cannot compare, only tell what really happened, and not what Steve quoted, pertaining to "you know who you are." Please just tell the story how it actually happened, if you are going to post about it.


Post# 124571 , Reply# 25   4/26/2006 at 00:06 (6,568 days old) by brettsomers ()        

Ladies and Gentlemen, tune in tomorrow, when Lux Soap...

Post# 124586 , Reply# 26   4/26/2006 at 02:51 (6,567 days old) by mustangman ()        
E mails

I'm glad the auction stayed within the club. I'm guilty of e mailng the seller twice BEFORE the auction ended. The seller welcomed my e mails and said he would research to see if he had any parts I was interested in. I had to e mail him a second time since the first e mail was undeliverable to that address so the seller so kindly gave me a different email address.

After the auction I have not received a response back. Which is fine. I just hope this will all work out and those of us that need parts will have a chance to see if they existed in this auction and pay for them. I think that is the fair thing to do to buy them and help the auction's buyer recoup some of his money in placing the bid. Again congratulations to the buyer.


Post# 124659 , Reply# 27   4/26/2006 at 10:48 (6,567 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
We are not talking about questions ....

We are not talking about questions BEFORE the auction ended. We are talking about emailing the seller with lists of parts AFTER THE AUCTION CLOSED AND TRYING TO GET THE PARTS BEFORE THE WINNER WAS ABLE TO GET TO THE WAREHOUSE TO PICK THEM UP. We know the two that are responsible and am waiting to see what the buyer wants to do about it. This is the last thing that I will say about this......oh Lord, PLEASE let me be a ''good Christian/Jewish woman in all this......(Betty Butterfield) Mark

Post# 125018 , Reply# 28   4/27/2006 at 21:40 (6,566 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

Well, here's my two cents. Whoever won the auction won fair and square. End of story. Nothing else should supercede that. I also think that if that person is willing to sell some parts to those of us who can't find them anywhere else, I applaud that level of democratic generosity. For those who have painstakingly collected parts over the years, again I applaud you. I can only imagine how difficult that was - and that was before there was a great appetite for vintage washers and related parts. After only a few years, supply is lower and demand is higher. Parts are harder to find than ever before so the insinuation that because some of us haven't been searching for parts over a period of years, we aren't as deserving of help is a bit skewed.

It was always my understanding that the point of this club was for a group with common interests to help each other wherever possible. It just seems that lately whenever there is an auction for vintage anything there is an awful lot of hard feelings - perhaps we need to get back to the basics of what brought this group together - the INTEREST and SHARING OF KNOWLEDGE and worry less about acquisitions.


Post# 125065 , Reply# 29   4/28/2006 at 00:57 (6,566 days old) by pturo (Syracuse, New York)        
Warehouse of Parts

Whatever our interest and offers, the seller can only make a contract with one person,and he/she can wait until that proper offer comes along. No one on ebay is REQUIRED to accept an offer from another person, even if the asking price is overbid. It's a marketplace, and some sellers start out humble and poor until they realize what they have got going for them, and the bidding and end price determines market value, not the asking price. It is an auction, albeit on line.


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