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Post# 832059   7/13/2015 at 06:08 (3,181 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

Hello folks,
Maybe it seems to be a bit late, but since they decided to sell GE appliances division to Electrolux co; what do you think about it? will it be good for both sides or you may expect ordinary results?
the link below is that massage from GE CEO, I noticed "the best appliance company in the world" said GE, by the way isn't it kinda slogan?

any idea would be great, I appreciate your each opinion.

sincerely'
BJ


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Post# 832066 , Reply# 1   7/13/2015 at 07:20 (3,181 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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It's kind of in a "wait and see" mode at this point since the Dept of Justice filed an antitrust lawsuit blocking the merger of GE and Electrolux.

The complaint from regulators at DOJ looks to be centered on cooking products -


The acquisition "would combine two of the leading manufacturers of ranges, cooktops and wall ovens sold in the United States, eliminating competition that has benefited American consumers through lower prices and more options."

According to the department’s complaint, purchasers in the United States spent more than $4 billion on these major cooking appliances in 2014.

IIRC, the Maytag-Whirlpool merger created some concern on the part of regulators about the laundry division which led to the restructure of KitchenAid/WP/Maytag lines, eliminating laundry from the KitchenAid brand altogether.

Perhaps something will be worked out with Electrolux like this as well.


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Post# 832068 , Reply# 2   7/13/2015 at 08:10 (3,181 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

yes. we should wait and see, but think about if it's gonna be another Maytag!
in my opinion I don't expect quality improvement, even downgrading is really possible!
nowadays globalization makes more money, but about the quality I don't think so.

great reason to sell low-quality appliances!


Post# 832071 , Reply# 3   7/13/2015 at 09:11 (3,181 days old) by Practigal ()        
Legal

GE and Electrolux are brand names and could be owned by anyone and licensed to anyone and slapped on anything. As consumers, all we can hope for is a license agreement that demonstrates that the licensor cares by having having a license agreement with a true quality control provision and that the provision is actually enforced. We can hope that somewhere, someone is deciding that it is worthwhile to spend money on research and development rather than just sitting back and licensing out the GE and Electrolux trademarks.

By the time the right questions are asked, the damage has already been done. The legal departments of both companies have been focused almost solely on the merger (coordinating with outside counsel of course) probably for months. Little other work has been done. Meanwhile the government continues to pour out legislation that affects all of us. A small fortune was probably paid to prepare and make the HSR filing with the FTC...but little effective lobbying about what really impacts this industry has been done... So already the consumers are for worse off.


Post# 832073 , Reply# 4   7/13/2015 at 09:26 (3,181 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

Right,
the question is here: does Electrolux want to introduce new products and brand new inventions, like what they doing in Europe, or just to be more powerful in home appliances industry?


Post# 832099 , Reply# 5   7/13/2015 at 12:11 (3,181 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Perhaps Electrolux does want to introduce new products and brand new inventions, but since they already sell appliances here, there doesn't seem to be anything stopping them from doing that without a merger. On the other hand isn't GE the one who wants to get out of this market?

 

One thing that will probably happen with a merger is that there will be an end to any product being sold with a technical design that was created by a GE design shop.  Instead you will have an Electrolux design with a GE name on it--I guess we will still see that name-don't know.   I don't have experience with current GE or Electrolux products so I don't know if that is good or bad. 

 

 


Post# 832101 , Reply# 6   7/13/2015 at 12:40 (3,181 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Here is a link to the GE site,  approx. 3,700 hourly manufacturing jobs.  The median cost of a home in Louisville,  per Zillow  $99,500.   These will be the interesting numbers to watch.   As far as innovation, who knows?



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Post# 832106 , Reply# 7   7/13/2015 at 13:18 (3,181 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

No, I don't like to buy an Electrolux product that dressed in the GE style.
This is the worst thing I can expect ever, it's like the Maytag washers made by Whirlpool!


Post# 832107 , Reply# 8   7/13/2015 at 13:23 (3,181 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        
she's worrying about the results!



Post# 832199 , Reply# 9   7/14/2015 at 05:21 (3,180 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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You could buy an Electrosux design labeled GE, Whirlpool, or Frigidaire in 1998. I bought one. In storage now but worked the whole time. Not sure what difference it makes since ALL brands do the same thing and they're all sliding downhill as well.

Post# 832200 , Reply# 10   7/14/2015 at 05:31 (3,180 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
I hope

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my trusted Swedish Asko will live forever because I dread the day I can no longer repair the little things that come up or can no longer get parts for it. I have a Miele ready now for my backup machine...as well as a brand new unused KUDI23 dishwasher for when the ol' lonely Jetclean II gives up the ghost. I don't think there are any American machines I'd buy now other than GE dryers that are still identical to the one I bought at Sears in 1998 and is still going strong.

Post# 832203 , Reply# 11   7/14/2015 at 06:13 (3,180 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Am the same way

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Love my older Miele w1070, but am doing more and more washing in the AEG Lavamat to take some of the work off Big Bertha. She's getting on and parts are expensive and becoming difficult to source. That and while my Miele repairman is charming it is getting tiresome his arriving every two or three years like clockwork. *LOL*



Post# 832255 , Reply# 12   7/14/2015 at 13:45 (3,180 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        
Hey Launderess

I'm so glad to hear you like your AEG,
and I like the quality and durability of those washers. I just got one
also want to know more about your AEG washer(s), hope you don't mind.

sincerely,
B John


Post# 832257 , Reply# 13   7/14/2015 at 14:19 (3,180 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

Miele, Asko and whatever you mentioned it are Europe-made appliances which are designed and produced in Europe, just export to the US cause some people like the durability, efficiency or anything interesting in and pay for it.
this is totally different story, I guess we gonna face to some low-end appliances came from everywhere, even low-end us-made ones,
I don't like to think this way,though I know it's gonna happen
at least they'll replace the quality of GE goods(yes I like GE), with some middle range stylish appliances,
this is the trick of Electrolux group in the world.
now I'm getting angry, actually people who know AEG may understand me. how Electrolux destroyed a legendary brand named AEG, in my opinion the main challenger of Miele in field of quality, inventions ,etc

sorry about that, maybe I'm wrong cause I can't understand the merge, even now!
however goodbye GE, goodbye all the great thing you brought to our life.

best regards
grieving BJ


Post# 832265 , Reply# 14   7/14/2015 at 15:19 (3,180 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
E-Lux quality

Actually, with their new ProTex line, they put out a pretty solid new platform. Still not the old AEG, but definetivley worth their price.

Actually, their heatpump dryer range is the best after Miele in my opinion. True reversing that actually is sensed rather than pure timed. Verry, verry gentle. Efficent, thourough and with their new ÖkoFlow filter, easy to maintain while still giveing acess to the heat pump.
Further, some actually usefull cycles (Jeans; a bedding cycle that reverses every 2 minutes; it can even safely dry wool).

They kind of damaged them selfes with the 2005-2010 line up, but they really got the curve with the ProTex base. Not "the best", but pretty well made.


Post# 832268 , Reply# 15   7/14/2015 at 15:53 (3,180 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        
Hallo Enenene4

I agree, but please just go back in time and think about the genuine AEG
then this is not very good, the quality is already gone,
AEG used to make really solid machines came with stainless steal tub and basket, but now the outer tub is totally made of plastic. I know the plastic is easy to use, recyclable and cheap! that's the point
same as middle-range appliances like Samsung, LG, Whirlpool and ...(sorry)
and guess who still use stainless steal for both the tub and basket? that's Miele, Asko or some limited manufacturers. they used to be local manufactures in Europe, but now became worldwide, totally globalized and reputed for own quality so everybody likes it and pays for it.

MIELE= IMMER BESSER.(that's my German knowledge)

best regards
BJ


PS: look at the solid interior of AEG front load washer, that's really tough ~199?


Post# 832269 , Reply# 16   7/14/2015 at 15:57 (3,180 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

Excuse me, your name is Henene4,
that was my typing fault.


BJ


Post# 832270 , Reply# 17   7/14/2015 at 16:08 (3,180 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        
To Arbilab

Hey Arbilab,
I just red what you wrote here, and wanna know more about your 1998(I guess that was a washer), hope you don't mind,
I just want to get more details about it.


best regards
BJ


Post# 832346 , Reply# 18   7/15/2015 at 07:03 (3,179 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Hi Behzad. The washer is an Electrolux design and parts, assembled/sold by White US under at least 3 different badges.

Clockwork timer. The only 'electronics' is the motor control module which worked flawlessly. Water is fixed-fill (but adjustable internally), tap hot/tap cold/50% mix. Timed/diluting detergent/bleach/softner drawer. 1 spray and 4 fill rinses.

Motor is brush-DC, tach feedback, reversing, single belt to tub pulley. Slight aberration, if the spin won't balance within time allotted it is skipped. No feedback from motor module to timer. Standalone shaded-pole pump. A roommate fed it a box of wood matches, it didn't gag.

A very straightforward 3-cycle 30-min machine with 600rpm spin. It's said the drum cannot be replaced in parts-- all or nothing. So at some point it's a throwaway. Anybody surprised?

This photo is close but not exact........


Post# 832374 , Reply# 19   7/15/2015 at 11:02 (3,179 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

Hey Arbilab, I just want to say thank you,
I guess Frigidaire used to make stuff like this, it has blackish door seal, I'm right?

BJ


Post# 832463 , Reply# 20   7/16/2015 at 06:16 (3,178 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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The boot is black. But the Frigidaire name was leased to White (WCI) long before this machine was conceived.

Post# 832514 , Reply# 21   7/16/2015 at 13:05 (3,178 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

Thanks a lot Arbilab,

BJ


Post# 832567 , Reply# 22   7/16/2015 at 22:04 (3,178 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

The big question is:  Will Electrolux introduce the same quality machines to the USA that it has released in Europe. Released in Germany? To me this is a big question....no matter what company is producing the machines.  Same Quality? Same cycles?(probably not), Same warranty(hasn't been done in the past)?

 

So there are a lot of questions regardless manufacturer. 

 

What I can't understand is why folks in North America(NA) can't have the same warranties and performance that folks in some Euro countries get?    We don't want to keep our machines as long?  We don't really care?  We want something new in 4 years?   It  cost too much to make and ship over and we don't want to pay the money?

 

Anyone have ideas about this?

 

 


Post# 832614 , Reply# 23   7/17/2015 at 08:55 (3,177 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Actually, the new compacts by Electrolux are a somewhat changed copy of the EU system.

Post# 832635 , Reply# 24   7/17/2015 at 13:11 (3,177 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Money?

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It cost too much to make and ship over and we don't want to pay the money?

But we pay the shipping from Korea? Can there be that big a difference between the two sources?

Malcolm


Post# 832676 , Reply# 25   7/18/2015 at 01:54 (3,177 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

Dear friends;
According to the recent activities, I wanna say yes. I'm agree with all of you.

details:

Jerrod6 > I think that's not gonna happen, the current European machines made by Electrolux are even down graded(compare with products before merge) and I don't think about a new line of US. localized appliances, they may offer some 120v versions of current European machines, as they're doing now(I mean Electrolux compact washers which are available in the US.)
so that was all my theory, you know it's just a theory and was based on recent activities of Electrolux co. inside the country, but about the next generation of GE, I really have no idea cause it's seems to be really complicated.

Henene4 > you'r right. the factory is still in Italy?
you my German friend, you may know the answer, AEG/Electrolux products are OK, but can someone compare them with really high-quality appliances like Miele?
It's obvious, NO (am I wrong?)

Malcolm > Hi Malcolm, I have really no idea!
I just wanna say that I really don't like well-dressed appliances came with low-quality, no matter what the trade mark is


Post# 832678 , Reply# 26   7/18/2015 at 05:19 (3,176 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

True, nothing compares to Miele, but still, price wise, nothing compares to Miele ;)

Post# 832725 , Reply# 27   7/18/2015 at 11:33 (3,176 days old) by Practigal ()        
Eurostyle

My understanding is that European styling (meaning the washer dryer in the kitchen or a washer dryer combo in the kitchen under the counter in the smaller size) is not considered to be a big market for US sales...and since none of the smaller washers and dryers are eligible for some type of environmental rebate (at least in California) there is even less incentive to buy them.

Then for some there is simple flawed logic: smaller washer should mean smaller price tag.

I have to laugh because the newest machines are just so big I really cannot touch the bottom without standing on something. Even if I were to take all of our clothes, sheets and towels for a week they probably wouldn't equal one full load on those monster machines. I am absolutely certain that there are families out there that are large enough to make good use of those machines but I think that most people just buy them because they are what is available (with a little incentive from the rebate) ...and then, because they really are using them at an inappropriate capacity (or improperly loaded or with the wrong type or amount of soap), find that they don't do a very good job.


Post# 832737 , Reply# 28   7/18/2015 at 13:20 (3,176 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Eurostyle

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I think this is a misunderstanding about what Eurostyle is. A washer and/or dryer in the kitchen is something you find in the UK rather often, but not so on the biggest part of the continent. Washers and dryers can be found in laundryrooms/sculleries or laundry closets. In smaller dwellings also often in a bathroom, but almost never in a kitchen.

Post# 832745 , Reply# 29   7/18/2015 at 13:58 (3,176 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

Hey Practigal;
The smaller size is not always better,
some like British people have no problem with inside-the-kitchen laundry room, but in some other well-developed European countries, like Germany or Switzerland you can find that the residents of a certain apartment sharing a laundry room which equipped with high-end professional laundry machines. as you know it's not a rule, some have their own laundry room(separated area) and others using the building semi-private laundry center with some critical rules!
and I think the higher price of European laundry machines, actually the good ones, came from the material and very fine parts that been using during the assembling process, some leader manufacturers are still using the best grade stainless steal to making both of drum and basket, heavy duty bearings, shock absorbers, hi-tech electronic boards, extremely powerful motors to maximize the water extraction(result in more efficient drying), ets
the capacity is not too small for an average family, moreover it can handle around 17 pounds of clothes. that means perfect results even in full load and more energy and water saving



Post# 832790 , Reply# 30   7/19/2015 at 00:08 (3,176 days old) by Practigal ()        
Interesting... Humor does not always translate

In my experience, the use of the terms Eurosize or Eurostyle in the US is synonymous with (i) smaller, (ii) streamlined, (iiii) very efficient, and (ivA) very hard to get and (ivB) expensive parts. No offense was intended by reference to European; quite the contrary, it is a compliment. I personally prefer the "eurostyle" washing machines because I have smaller loads and I know they are handled very well in the eurostyle machines because I own one...and it is in my kitchen (as I have no other place for it in my house. I was raised in the Outback -is that almost UK enough to explain having it in my kitchen?;)) I am critcizing (laughing at) the currently overly large size of the US washer and the convoluted logic supporting its size. But I am not laughing for a friend of mine who recently purchased a very large Cabrio washing machine and wants to return it…

Post# 832792 , Reply# 31   7/19/2015 at 00:15 (3,176 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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No offense taken. I guess I misinterpreted what you said. Sorry for that.

Post# 832795 , Reply# 32   7/19/2015 at 01:31 (3,176 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

Miele, Asko and ... are great machines. actually they're perfect, but I still believe in big top load washers;
you know this kind of machines using a totally different method to get the job done. agitation instead of tumbling! that's a bit traditional,but still works!
I guess most of the people prefer a big washer to do the laundries perfectly, and I never forget the amazing top load washers made by GE, Maytag and...
they use to make very solid machines which could handle a huge load very quickly and extremely quiet, came whit an eligible price that every family can afford it.
forget to mention that some manufacturers are still making these guys,
so every washer has it's own benefits and of course some problems! both of top and front load washers are good, no matter where the manufacturers are.

best regards
BJ


Post# 832797 , Reply# 33   7/19/2015 at 01:51 (3,176 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        
To Foraloysius

Hallo Louise;
I never met you Sir, but I'm sure you're a good guy who knows nearly everything about home appliances spatially laundry machines. you may remember me cause couple of weeks ago we had a conversation about my new AEG washer and the similarities with Adorina line and you gave me lot's of information, then I got you're an expert!
according to the recent activities, I must say you're right, British people doing it, I saw and seeing so many families have their laundry machines under the kitchens's counter top, even without dryer. again as I said it's not a rule, and it would be different place to place.
it's obvious that you did't do anything wrong, and I personally don't like the British style.

BJ


Post# 832798 , Reply# 34   7/19/2015 at 01:54 (3,176 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        
To Practigal

Hey Practigal;
Would you like to give me some more information about your European washer?

BJ


Post# 832802 , Reply# 35   7/19/2015 at 05:25 (3,175 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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The FL washers I see advertised here (US) look like they're intended to wash pets and children up to about age 6. Reminds me of the tailfin wars on US cars in the late 50s.

Post# 832803 , Reply# 36   7/19/2015 at 05:59 (3,175 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

So you talking about LG mega capacity? or something else?

Post# 832865 , Reply# 37   7/19/2015 at 19:32 (3,175 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
European vs. American H-Axis Washer Capacity

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We've been though this topic before numerous times.

Long story short is the American appliance market must contend with households in this country overwhelmingly hard wired to large capacity top loading washing machines. That and the speed of doing laundry which comes from same.

European housewives and others long made their peace with 5kg washers by doing laundry as required. If this means doing the laundry every other or each day then so be it. On the other side of the pond American women/households still clung to the ages old tradition of a set wash day. That is one day per week or so doing *all* the washing and that would be that.

Obviously if you are going that route you need washing machines with larger capacities and or ability to complete cycles quickly. Sadly for American's tighter restrictions on energy which translate into water use adds a new complexion to things. Using less water means cycles must run longer to compensate for the "wet wipe" washing.

On average everything about most USA homes is slightly different than some Europeans. Our houses are larger and we tend to believe bigger is better. It wasn't that long ago Consumer Reports was panning Miele, Asko and other front loaders because of their "small" capacity. Indeed all the European brands had a difficult time outside of major urban (and often affluent) areas pushing their "compact" washers and dryers. Yes, in often space challenged New York City apartments a Miele, Creda, Bosch, Asko, Equator etc... set was just the solution, but for those living in larger homes they were often out of the question.

Problem is larger capacity front loaders require a more robust design to cope with handling 18lbs to 22lbs of washing over a daily duty cycle/lifespan. Electrolux, Miele, Bosch, etc.. all know how to do this because they have made commercial machines for decades. However the average American household is not going to pay >4K for a washing machine. That is what the smallest and cheapest offerings by Wascomat, Dexter and other commercial units start.

So you get machines with marginally larger capacity, but really are paying for more bells and whistles to make it look as if you are getting value for money. However under the bonnet things are often very different.

Miele and Bosch both launched "huge" capacity washing machines to the USA market with much fanfare. Neither lasted more than a few years before being withdrawn from the market. IIRC all had various problems ranging from early bearing failure to what was seen by many as poor quality in relation to cost.

Of course the people who started the bad taste towards "huge" front loaders in the USA was someone you thought would have known better; Maytag. What should and perhaps could have been a break through in American domestic laundry technology ended up a bad word in many households.

Play with the thought for a moment if Maytag and really done their homework before launching Neptune washers and at once went back to the drawing board when complaints began to pour in.


Post# 832878 , Reply# 38   7/20/2015 at 02:12 (3,175 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
Asko did it too

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When Miele and Bosch brought out the "big guns", Asko turned to either Samsung or LG, not sure which just that it was a "made in Korea" washer. I looked at them when they were available because I wanted to see the size...but when I saw "made in Korea" instead of Made in Sweden, I left the store! We decided we would continue to do laundry about every other day as we have always done. At least we don't have smelly clothes hidden in hampers growing who knows what awaiting their turn in the wash.

Post# 832881 , Reply# 39   7/20/2015 at 03:45 (3,174 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        
Are you kidding me?

Hi Askolover;
Seriously I didn't know that, I thought they steal make their own products in Sweden not in Korea!
any way did switch from stainless steal tub to plastic ones?


Post# 832882 , Reply# 40   7/20/2015 at 03:57 (3,174 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        
To dear Launderess

Hello Launderess;
That' would be my pleasure to know more about your AEG LAVAMAT,
I guess your AEG washer is quiet new, I remember something, but not quiet sure cause Kevin B told me you have stuff like this. again not sure.

BJ


Post# 832887 , Reply# 41   7/20/2015 at 04:57 (3,174 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
Korea vs Sweden

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It was only the "big" Asko washers that were made in Korea. The smaller ones were still made in Sweden until recently and I understand they are now made in Slovenia. As far as I know they are still stainless steel inside and outside tubs. I don't know how good Gorenje appliances are but I hope they can fix the mess Antonio Merloni made of Asko. That's when quality went south. I'd still take a chance on a new one...with an extended warranty! I like Asko's design because it doesn't have the front boot, just a rubber gasket like a commercial/industrial machine. I wish they would all build them like that...although my "new" Miele w1986 was very simple to replace the boot.

Post# 832893 , Reply# 42   7/20/2015 at 05:30 (3,174 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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We've got one of those 'N-word' Maytags in the coinop downstairs. Going on its third month out of service. Like it did last summer. And the summer before that. Where are the parts coming from, Mars?

Post# 832896 , Reply# 43   7/20/2015 at 06:14 (3,174 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        

Gorenje, Merloni are simple piece of crap.
extremely poor manufacturers in Europe, actually they make a line of dilapidated washers for Slovenian, Russia and... plus some British people buy staff like that;
fortunately Miele is still Miele!


note:guys I don't want to insult, but this is it.



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