Thread Number: 60552
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What is your idea about GE-Electrolux combination? |
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Post# 832066 , Reply# 1   7/13/2015 at 07:20 (3,181 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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It's kind of in a "wait and see" mode at this point since the Dept of Justice filed an antitrust lawsuit blocking the merger of GE and Electrolux.
The complaint from regulators at DOJ looks to be centered on cooking products - The acquisition "would combine two of the leading manufacturers of ranges, cooktops and wall ovens sold in the United States, eliminating competition that has benefited American consumers through lower prices and more options." According to the department’s complaint, purchasers in the United States spent more than $4 billion on these major cooking appliances in 2014. IIRC, the Maytag-Whirlpool merger created some concern on the part of regulators about the laundry division which led to the restructure of KitchenAid/WP/Maytag lines, eliminating laundry from the KitchenAid brand altogether. Perhaps something will be worked out with Electrolux like this as well. CLICK HERE TO GO TO gansky1's LINK |
Post# 832068 , Reply# 2   7/13/2015 at 08:10 (3,181 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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yes. we should wait and see, but think about if it's gonna be another Maytag! in my opinion I don't expect quality improvement, even downgrading is really possible! nowadays globalization makes more money, but about the quality I don't think so. great reason to sell low-quality appliances! |
Post# 832073 , Reply# 4   7/13/2015 at 09:26 (3,181 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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Right, the question is here: does Electrolux want to introduce new products and brand new inventions, like what they doing in Europe, or just to be more powerful in home appliances industry? |
Post# 832106 , Reply# 7   7/13/2015 at 13:18 (3,181 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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No, I don't like to buy an Electrolux product that dressed in the GE style. This is the worst thing I can expect ever, it's like the Maytag washers made by Whirlpool! |
Post# 832107 , Reply# 8   7/13/2015 at 13:23 (3,181 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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Post# 832199 , Reply# 9   7/14/2015 at 05:21 (3,180 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 832200 , Reply# 10   7/14/2015 at 05:31 (3,180 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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my trusted Swedish Asko will live forever because I dread the day I can no longer repair the little things that come up or can no longer get parts for it. I have a Miele ready now for my backup machine...as well as a brand new unused KUDI23 dishwasher for when the ol' lonely Jetclean II gives up the ghost. I don't think there are any American machines I'd buy now other than GE dryers that are still identical to the one I bought at Sears in 1998 and is still going strong.
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Post# 832203 , Reply# 11   7/14/2015 at 06:13 (3,180 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Love my older Miele w1070, but am doing more and more washing in the AEG Lavamat to take some of the work off Big Bertha. She's getting on and parts are expensive and becoming difficult to source. That and while my Miele repairman is charming it is getting tiresome his arriving every two or three years like clockwork. *LOL*
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Post# 832255 , Reply# 12   7/14/2015 at 13:45 (3,180 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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I'm so glad to hear you like your AEG, and I like the quality and durability of those washers. I just got one also want to know more about your AEG washer(s), hope you don't mind. sincerely, B John |
Post# 832269 , Reply# 16   7/14/2015 at 15:57 (3,180 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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Excuse me, your name is Henene4, that was my typing fault. BJ |
Post# 832270 , Reply# 17   7/14/2015 at 16:08 (3,180 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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Hey Arbilab, I just red what you wrote here, and wanna know more about your 1998(I guess that was a washer), hope you don't mind, I just want to get more details about it. best regards BJ |
Post# 832346 , Reply# 18   7/15/2015 at 07:03 (3,179 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Hi Behzad. The washer is an Electrolux design and parts, assembled/sold by White US under at least 3 different badges.
Clockwork timer. The only 'electronics' is the motor control module which worked flawlessly. Water is fixed-fill (but adjustable internally), tap hot/tap cold/50% mix. Timed/diluting detergent/bleach/softner drawer. 1 spray and 4 fill rinses. Motor is brush-DC, tach feedback, reversing, single belt to tub pulley. Slight aberration, if the spin won't balance within time allotted it is skipped. No feedback from motor module to timer. Standalone shaded-pole pump. A roommate fed it a box of wood matches, it didn't gag. A very straightforward 3-cycle 30-min machine with 600rpm spin. It's said the drum cannot be replaced in parts-- all or nothing. So at some point it's a throwaway. Anybody surprised? This photo is close but not exact........ |
Post# 832374 , Reply# 19   7/15/2015 at 11:02 (3,179 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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Hey Arbilab, I just want to say thank you, I guess Frigidaire used to make stuff like this, it has blackish door seal, I'm right? BJ |
Post# 832463 , Reply# 20   7/16/2015 at 06:16 (3,178 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 832514 , Reply# 21   7/16/2015 at 13:05 (3,178 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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Thanks a lot Arbilab, BJ |
Post# 832614 , Reply# 23   7/17/2015 at 08:55 (3,177 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Actually, the new compacts by Electrolux are a somewhat changed copy of the EU system. |
Post# 832635 , Reply# 24   7/17/2015 at 13:11 (3,177 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 832678 , Reply# 26   7/18/2015 at 05:19 (3,176 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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True, nothing compares to Miele, but still, price wise, nothing compares to Miele ;) |
Post# 832737 , Reply# 28   7/18/2015 at 13:20 (3,176 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I think this is a misunderstanding about what Eurostyle is. A washer and/or dryer in the kitchen is something you find in the UK rather often, but not so on the biggest part of the continent. Washers and dryers can be found in laundryrooms/sculleries or laundry closets. In smaller dwellings also often in a bathroom, but almost never in a kitchen.
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Post# 832792 , Reply# 31   7/19/2015 at 00:15 (3,176 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 832798 , Reply# 34   7/19/2015 at 01:54 (3,176 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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Hey Practigal; Would you like to give me some more information about your European washer? BJ |
Post# 832802 , Reply# 35   7/19/2015 at 05:25 (3,175 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 832803 , Reply# 36   7/19/2015 at 05:59 (3,175 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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So you talking about LG mega capacity? or something else? |
Post# 832865 , Reply# 37   7/19/2015 at 19:32 (3,175 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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We've been though this topic before numerous times.
Long story short is the American appliance market must contend with households in this country overwhelmingly hard wired to large capacity top loading washing machines. That and the speed of doing laundry which comes from same. European housewives and others long made their peace with 5kg washers by doing laundry as required. If this means doing the laundry every other or each day then so be it. On the other side of the pond American women/households still clung to the ages old tradition of a set wash day. That is one day per week or so doing *all* the washing and that would be that. Obviously if you are going that route you need washing machines with larger capacities and or ability to complete cycles quickly. Sadly for American's tighter restrictions on energy which translate into water use adds a new complexion to things. Using less water means cycles must run longer to compensate for the "wet wipe" washing. On average everything about most USA homes is slightly different than some Europeans. Our houses are larger and we tend to believe bigger is better. It wasn't that long ago Consumer Reports was panning Miele, Asko and other front loaders because of their "small" capacity. Indeed all the European brands had a difficult time outside of major urban (and often affluent) areas pushing their "compact" washers and dryers. Yes, in often space challenged New York City apartments a Miele, Creda, Bosch, Asko, Equator etc... set was just the solution, but for those living in larger homes they were often out of the question. Problem is larger capacity front loaders require a more robust design to cope with handling 18lbs to 22lbs of washing over a daily duty cycle/lifespan. Electrolux, Miele, Bosch, etc.. all know how to do this because they have made commercial machines for decades. However the average American household is not going to pay >4K for a washing machine. That is what the smallest and cheapest offerings by Wascomat, Dexter and other commercial units start. So you get machines with marginally larger capacity, but really are paying for more bells and whistles to make it look as if you are getting value for money. However under the bonnet things are often very different. Miele and Bosch both launched "huge" capacity washing machines to the USA market with much fanfare. Neither lasted more than a few years before being withdrawn from the market. IIRC all had various problems ranging from early bearing failure to what was seen by many as poor quality in relation to cost. Of course the people who started the bad taste towards "huge" front loaders in the USA was someone you thought would have known better; Maytag. What should and perhaps could have been a break through in American domestic laundry technology ended up a bad word in many households. Play with the thought for a moment if Maytag and really done their homework before launching Neptune washers and at once went back to the drawing board when complaints began to pour in. |
Post# 832878 , Reply# 38   7/20/2015 at 02:12 (3,175 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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When Miele and Bosch brought out the "big guns", Asko turned to either Samsung or LG, not sure which just that it was a "made in Korea" washer. I looked at them when they were available because I wanted to see the size...but when I saw "made in Korea" instead of Made in Sweden, I left the store! We decided we would continue to do laundry about every other day as we have always done. At least we don't have smelly clothes hidden in hampers growing who knows what awaiting their turn in the wash.
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Post# 832881 , Reply# 39   7/20/2015 at 03:45 (3,174 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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Hi Askolover; Seriously I didn't know that, I thought they steal make their own products in Sweden not in Korea! any way did switch from stainless steal tub to plastic ones? |
Post# 832882 , Reply# 40   7/20/2015 at 03:57 (3,174 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)   |   | |
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Hello Launderess; That' would be my pleasure to know more about your AEG LAVAMAT, I guess your AEG washer is quiet new, I remember something, but not quiet sure cause Kevin B told me you have stuff like this. again not sure. BJ |
Post# 832887 , Reply# 41   7/20/2015 at 04:57 (3,174 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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It was only the "big" Asko washers that were made in Korea. The smaller ones were still made in Sweden until recently and I understand they are now made in Slovenia. As far as I know they are still stainless steel inside and outside tubs. I don't know how good Gorenje appliances are but I hope they can fix the mess Antonio Merloni made of Asko. That's when quality went south. I'd still take a chance on a new one...with an extended warranty! I like Asko's design because it doesn't have the front boot, just a rubber gasket like a commercial/industrial machine. I wish they would all build them like that...although my "new" Miele w1986 was very simple to replace the boot.
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Post# 832893 , Reply# 42   7/20/2015 at 05:30 (3,174 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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