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Post# 124778 4/26/2006 at 22:12 (6,567 days old) by unimatic1140  (Minneapolis) |
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Well the first official washload has been done in the 1956 Hotpoint. Things went very well, just a few minor adjustments and its ready to be installed in its spot in the collection. Here is a photo album of tonights premier wash load And now lets all sing along with Miss Happy Hotpoint to celebrate | ||
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Post# 124785 , Reply# 2 4/26/2006 at 22:41 (6,567 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Post# 124786 , Reply# 3 4/26/2006 at 22:43 (6,567 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Hey! | ||
| Post# 124787 , Reply# 4 4/26/2006 at 22:44 (6,567 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Double YAY Robert, Just love Miss Happy Hotpoint!! The machine looks just great. Love that over flow rinse and those lighted buttons as well as the lighted console. Thanks for sharing. Terry | ||
| Post# 124790 , Reply# 5 4/26/2006 at 22:48 (6,567 days old) by lightedcontrols () | ||
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What a Beauty! Well, now everything you wash will be H O T P O I N T clean! Beautiful restoration!!! Mark | ||
| Post# 124794 , Reply# 6 4/26/2006 at 23:21 (6,567 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Very nice indeed Robert a perfect Wednesday night FIX, I am so happy (hotpoint), that you got it fixed. That porcelain sure does hold up well with time. Looks brand new. Thanks for sharing the pictures. alr2903 | ||
| Post# 124796 , Reply# 7 4/26/2006 at 23:35 (6,567 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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How long is the Washing Cycle last? Hello Robert how long is the washing cycle, filling with water, the first spin, the rinse cycle, and the final spin cycle? | ||
| Post# 124800 , Reply# 8 4/27/2006 at 02:15 (6,567 days old) by knitwits1975 () | ||
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Wonderful machine, thanks for the pics. | ||
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Post# 124809 , Reply# 11 4/27/2006 at 05:36 (6,567 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Another Restore...
Hi Robert Well done, love the coloured controls, does the water hitting the rubber trim make the fill water fan out, or does it have a wide fill flume?? Does any other make of machine use that conical cube design for the agi?? Its the same as the first Hotpoint twinnies etc, the Uk Hotpoint toploaders used a different tripod mechanism at the tub base. Mike | ||
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Post# 124811 , Reply# 12 4/27/2006 at 06:36 (6,567 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 124821 , Reply# 13 4/27/2006 at 07:25 (6,567 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 124823 , Reply# 14 4/27/2006 at 07:42 (6,567 days old) by westyslantfront () | ||
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Hi Robert....great pictures.....looks just like machine my great aunt had....as always, you did a great job restoring the machine.....Ross | ||
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Post# 124824 , Reply# 15 4/27/2006 at 07:44 (6,567 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 124837 , Reply# 16 4/27/2006 at 08:34 (6,567 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!) | ||
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| Post# 124848 , Reply# 17 4/27/2006 at 08:50 (6,567 days old) by hoover1060 () | ||
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neat machine I like the "hoodie" on the back of the machine that lights up, and the dial & button placement. Looks great Robert! | ||
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Post# 124850 , Reply# 18 4/27/2006 at 08:53 (6,567 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Thanks everyone for your kind words! how's the turnover? And does this machine sound like a Beam/SQ or have the whine of a Co-Axial when it's running? Hi Austin, the Hotpoint Thifitvator turns over the clothes very slowly and no it doesn’t sound like a Co-Axial Hotpoint at all. It more similar to a Beam, except the agitator solenoid is wired into the start switch of the motor. So when agitation first begins there is a 1/2 delay after the motor starts and before the agitation begins, so it actually starts to spin for a split second and then goes into agitation. Hello Robert how long is the washing cycle, filling with water, the first spin, the rinse cycle, and the final spin cycle Harold you can select 3, 6, 9, 12 or 15 minutes of agitation using the “Wonderdial”. I’ll give a demo of that later when I do videos. First spin 1.5 mins, rinse fill 6 minutes, overflow rinse, 4.5 minutes, final spin 6 minutes. Not sure if people are aware, but that was Mary Tyler Moore dancing as Happy Hotpoint Hi Jimmy, yup that’s Mary at 17 years old, here first job right out of high school! What a schlep! I hope you are past the mechanical difficulties Thanks Steve, almost but not quite done with the mechanical works. The first increment of the final spin keeps the water fill flowing unless I jiggle the dial, so tonight I’m going to go in a do some work inside the timer. I try and get pictures of that. does the water hitting the rubber trim make the fill water fan out, or does it have a wide fill flume Mike the flume isn’t that wide, it fans out on the rubber curtain. Does any other make of machine use that conical cube design for the agi?? I’m confused Mike (not hard to do), do you mean about the shape of the agitator? and those sheets are too fun! Thanks Greg, they matched the red Thriftivator perfectly. While I was making the bed last night I said to Neal, “won’t it be wonderful to sleep in Hotpoint fresh sheets tonight”. His response: “Yeah sure, whatever makes you happy dear”. Veg, I forgot where we got those sheets, I look when I get home. Would also like a photo of the timer dial. For you Bob, anything, and remember it’s not just a “timer dial”, it’s a Wonderdial!  | ||
| Post# 124863 , Reply# 19 4/27/2006 at 09:12 (6,567 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN) | ||
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STANDING OVATION! YAY for Holiday washdays with Hotpoint. And MTM, what can I say! *drool* She puts the HOT in Hotpoint (ducks and runs from Helen) | ||
| Post# 124868 , Reply# 20 4/27/2006 at 09:21 (6,567 days old) by lesto (Atlanta) | ||
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Beautiful, Robert! I'm so excited for you. Can't wait for videos! Does the yellow "short cycle" have a slightly shorter fill time as does the 55 Kelvinator/ ABC? | ||
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Post# 124874 , Reply# 21 4/27/2006 at 09:43 (6,567 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Conical Cube | ||
| Post# 124875 , Reply# 22 4/27/2006 at 09:57 (6,567 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
Beautiful, Robert! I bet you are happy to finally be able to wash your sheets in the Hotpoint. Does the initial fill cycle automatically move into the wash cycle (agitation) or do you have to manually move the knob when you have enough water in the tub? I've seen some older Hotpoints where you had to stand there and start the agitation when the tub was full and then the machine would finish the cycle by itself. | ||
| Post# 124890 , Reply# 23 4/27/2006 at 11:05 (6,567 days old) by hooverwheelaway () | ||
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*sigh* Anything that has light-up control buttons is good in my book! Beautiful, simply beautiful! | ||
| Post# 124891 , Reply# 24 4/27/2006 at 11:27 (6,567 days old) by southernmdgeguy () | ||
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Another incredible restoration! Hats off to you on that one, I love the pushbuttons too! Thanks for sharing all the pictures of the hard work you had to go thru to get this up and running again, it looks brand new. Scott | ||
| Post# 124893 , Reply# 25 4/27/2006 at 11:46 (6,567 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio) | ||
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Beautiful restoration, beautiful machine Another job well, well done by Robert! Is there a provision for a really low fill, or is the smaller fil just about half? I love the lid instructions when it says "laundry compound." Neal is somewhat approaching "saint" status in my book. Lawrence/Maytagbear | ||
| Post# 124900 , Reply# 26 4/27/2006 at 12:42 (6,567 days old) by geoffdelp (SAUK RAPIDS) | ||
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Beautiful Hotpoint! Robert ... a VERY beautiful Hotpoint, indeed!! I think Harriet Nelson would be very proud!! You gotta love those red agitators. :-) It looks like the turnover is great; does it equal your Speed Queen? | ||
| Post# 124906 , Reply# 27 4/27/2006 at 13:17 (6,567 days old) by oldwasherguy (Ladson SC) | ||
WOW!! | ||
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Post# 124910 , Reply# 29 4/27/2006 at 13:28 (6,567 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Does the yellow "short cycle" have a slightly shorter fill time as does the 55 Kelvinator/ ABC Not sure Les, but from the looks on the timer dial it appears it does have one less increment of fill (3.0 minute fill). I meant the agi drive shaft, Conical Cube on the end OK Mike now I get it you mean the agitator drive block. I think some brands were five sided and some were six. Early GE’s were three-sided. Does the initial fill cycle automatically move into the wash cycle (agitation) or do you have to manually move the knob when you have enough water in the tub? Hi Rich, no the Wonderdial does it all automatically. You can select 3,6,9,12 or 15 minutes of agitation and the timer automatically fills for 4.5 minutes of wash water and then goes right into wash. You can set the dial once and then get right back to rolling out your pie dough for tonight’s desert. Anything that has light-up control buttons is good in my book! Me too Fred, anything that lights up is sooooo fun, and since its in different colors, I can see what I’ve selected from my easy chair without having to get up in the middle of my soap operas! Is there a provision for a really low fill, or is the smaller fil just about half? Hi Lawrence, yes that’s on the Wonderdial too of course. If you look on the chrome fill section of the dial there is a dot, a dash and another dot. The first dot is for extra full loads, the dash is for normal sized loads and the next dot is for small loads. It looks like the turnover is great; does it equal your Speed Queen? Geoff, no, close but not quite that same turnover rate as with the high-vane SQ agitator. The coaxial transmission is virtually silent and motor isolation is very good (at least mine is). I absolutely agree with Joseph, my ‘62 Co-Axial Hotpoint has half the sound level of this Beam/Hotpoint in-between model. | ||
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Post# 124921 , Reply# 30 4/27/2006 at 14:11 (6,567 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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| Post# 124925 , Reply# 31 4/27/2006 at 14:22 (6,567 days old) by lesto (Atlanta) | ||
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You should do a load on the short cycle and compare how long it's overflow rinse is. I dount the first spin could be any shorter than 1.5. LOL. | ||
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Post# 124927 , Reply# 32 4/27/2006 at 14:29 (6,567 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Hey Robert, wonderful! I have really enjoyed everything you have shared with us about this restoration. Hope you add it to that section - I want to look through it all again. A beautiful machine, very 1950's. Question: How's the sudsing problem on this one? I seem to recall Hotpoints had serious oversudsing problems and fixed them with the agitator? Or am I confused. (Or as my students would put it, confusing...) | ||
| Post# 124938 , Reply# 33 4/27/2006 at 15:30 (6,567 days old) by lesto (Atlanta) | ||
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Robert, how quick is the machine in getting up to full spin speed? I assume it must be pretty fast to fit into a 1.5 minute wash spin-off. | ||
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Post# 124962 , Reply# 34 4/27/2006 at 17:15 (6,567 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL) |
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Great Job Robert ! | ||
| Post# 124966 , Reply# 35 4/27/2006 at 17:33 (6,567 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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| Post# 124979 , Reply# 37 4/27/2006 at 18:55 (6,566 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
simply gorgeous
Those lighted pushbuttons are like candy--can't get enough of them. That machine is absolutely dazzling. Mystified by that neutral overflow before the rinse agitation: What do you suppose is going on there--the purpose? What was the engineer's fantasy? What's the pumping and draining like? Why not do a load of just a few towels for the video so we can study the currents and turnover. You're amazing--too bad there's no Nobel for Washing Machine Geniuses. Mikey | ||
| Post# 124987 , Reply# 38 4/27/2006 at 19:40 (6,566 days old) by gregm () | ||
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you never cease to amaze me ...... your tenacity and perserverance AGAIN pays off in a truly remarkable and what almost seemed impossible restoration, many congrads Robert, unbelievable ............... | ||
| Post# 125035 , Reply# 40 4/27/2006 at 22:19 (6,566 days old) by bethann (Indianapolis) | ||
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She looks Wonderful Robert! I just love anything 1956. ( Your sheets look like my PJ's) | ||
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Post# 125042 , Reply# 41 4/27/2006 at 22:54 (6,566 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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How's the sudsing problem on this one? Kevin actually Solid Tub Hotpoint washers suds very little, especially with the high post straight vane agitators. Robert, how quick is the machine in getting up to full spin speed? Les, it takes about 65 seconds to get the tub up to full speed with a full load of clothes and water. That is why I was surprised to see only a 90 second first spin. Mystified by that neutral overflow before the rinse agitation: What do you suppose is going on there--the purpose? Not sure Mike, but I bet they thought a calm overflow would help float any extra scum over the top of the tub. Kelvinator does the exact same thing. Are they similar to the lighted pushbuttons on GE and Hotpoint stoves? Yes Mike, they are the exact same part, but with less buttons. | ||
| Post# 125056 , Reply# 43 4/28/2006 at 00:16 (6,566 days old) by lightedcontrols () | ||
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A NEW SAINT ANNOUNCEMENT !!! Ms. Lotta Turnover (AKA Robert Seger) Has been deemed Patron Saint of Automatic Washers by Pope Mark I. | ||
| Post# 125057 , Reply# 44 4/28/2006 at 00:17 (6,566 days old) by lightedcontrols () | ||
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All Hail the New Saint! Hail! Hail! Hail!!! | ||
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Post# 125077 , Reply# 45 4/28/2006 at 03:04 (6,566 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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ok confused | ||
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Post# 125091 , Reply# 47 4/28/2006 at 06:37 (6,566 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 125110 , Reply# 48 4/28/2006 at 08:09 (6,566 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 125130 , Reply# 49 4/28/2006 at 10:24 (6,566 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Ms. Lotta Turnover (AKA Robert Seger) Has been deemed Patron Saint of Automatic Washers by Pope Mark I Thanks Pope Mark I, do I get to wear a crown now? What are the little rubber (?) tips on the corners of the agitator vanes supposed to do? Your guess is as good as mine Ken, I suppose they were to help with turnover, but they wear down rather quickly. The rubber tipped Thriftivator that came with the machine those tips were worn down to the nubs. Luckily I just happened to have a NOS rubber tipped red Thriftivator in my stash-o-parts. | ||
| Post# 125132 , Reply# 50 4/28/2006 at 10:27 (6,566 days old) by spinout (Phoenix) | ||
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Only if you eat IMPERIAL MARGARINE! | ||
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Post# 125133 , Reply# 51 4/28/2006 at 10:38 (6,566 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 125137 , Reply# 52 4/28/2006 at 11:07 (6,566 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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What happens with timed fill machines is that the water retained in the clothes reduces the fill requirement for the rinse, resulting in an early overflow. I forgot to mention that I do think that Hotpoint designers purposely added extra fill time to the rinse as a non-agitated rinse overflow. Norge and Kelvinator both do this as well and Norge advertised it as a part of its four-step "Super-Rinse". I'm sure the engineers realized that it only takes 3.5 minutes to fill the rinse tub, but they extended the fill for another 2.5 minutes to allow as much floating materials to overflow as possible. When the agitator is moving, floating lint and scum have a tendency to move inwards towards the agitator and not towards the wash tub exit holes. In Frigidaire washers the rinse fill was one increment less than the wash fill to make up the difference of the water left in the clothes. | ||
| Post# 125140 , Reply# 53 4/28/2006 at 12:02 (6,566 days old) by lightedcontrols () | ||
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My Dear Robert.... You will ALWAYS be our crowned Queen....er, I mean, SAINT!!! | ||
| Post# 125150 , Reply# 54 4/28/2006 at 12:51 (6,566 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm) | ||
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Robert crown shmouwn When you are not packing the trident , you must wear the Halo!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Post# 125201 , Reply# 56 4/28/2006 at 19:55 (6,565 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Robert, thanks for thie picture. It ruely is a Wonderdial!!! But, ahme, Frigidaires left significantly less water in fibers than the Hotpoint, and the Hotpoint has longer rinse fill. Hmm. Bob concludes, Hotpoint is fun and dramatic, Frigidaire is econonmical to run lol. And I have to add, the wash basket, aside from the GE being speckled, reminds me very much of our 1955/1956 GE. | ||
| Post# 125202 , Reply# 57 4/28/2006 at 20:01 (6,565 days old) by westytoploader () | ||
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All of those "Hotpernts" I've seen were very fun to watch, but Frigidaire ISN'T dramatic?? Why I never...hmph! ;-) | ||
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Post# 125206 , Reply# 59 4/28/2006 at 20:13 (6,565 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 125226 , Reply# 60 4/28/2006 at 21:29 (6,565 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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I just love those lighted buttons | ||
| Post# 125277 , Reply# 61 4/29/2006 at 00:37 (6,565 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm) | ||
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He uses his saintly POWERS!!!!! | ||
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Post# 125299 , Reply# 62 4/29/2006 at 03:46 (6,565 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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it's still has me pulsating with overflowing excitement. | ||
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Post# 125304 , Reply# 63 4/29/2006 at 04:27 (6,565 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Every day is a holiday... | ||
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Post# 125309 , Reply# 64 4/29/2006 at 05:13 (6,565 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Robert-- Regarding overflow rinses: I've always wondered how lint/scum/suds could escape from holes at the top of the tub when the action of the agitator is pulling everything toward the center. And in the case of unimatic Frigidaires, which have solid tubs, and shift directly from agitation to spin without a pause, wouldn't the floating lint/scum naturally be forced out when the spin started, even without an overflow during agitation? | ||
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Post# 125331 , Reply# 66 4/29/2006 at 08:30 (6,565 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Robert-- Regarding overflow rinses: I've always wondered how lint/scum/suds could escape from holes at the top of the tub when the action of the agitator is pulling everything toward the center. And in the case of Unimatic Frigidaires, which have solid tubs, and shift directly from agitation to spin without a pause, wouldn't the floating lint/scum naturally be forced out when the spin started, even without an overflow during agitation? Hi Eugene, well that is true to a certain extent but its particularly true in the Hotpoint. What's unusual about the Hotpoint is there are no agitator vanes sticking out of the Thriftivator above the to of the water line. In a speed queen per se, the vanes stick out high above the water and help push the scum and lint outward towards the exit holes. Maybe that is why Hotpoint engineers designed the extra long "static" overflow fill. On a Frigidaire you have the lint chaser ring which pushes the water, lint and scum out towards the exit holes during the overflow rinses. and why in the world was it called Thriftivator? I was thinking the same thing David, it makes it sound thrifty or cheap! | ||
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Post# 125471 , Reply# 67 4/29/2006 at 20:13 (6,564 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Because it cleaned harder so | ||
| Post# 125509 , Reply# 68 4/29/2006 at 23:54 (6,564 days old) by brettsomers () | ||
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Because it cleaned harder so deep down, i know thats what they wanted to put across. however it can also be interpreted as an *economy* agitator or a *budget-priced* machine. silly, isnt it? | ||
| Post# 125572 , Reply# 69 4/30/2006 at 11:12 (6,564 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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CRAZY DAYS OF THRIFTIVATION
Frugal on the cleaning perhaps, because it's so bad on turnover; frugal on the materials (polypropelene?) needed to make such a slight agitator; thrifty on your clothing budget since it won't wear out your clothes; AND FINALLY............. Frugal on your sense of humor since after all these great savings, your water bill is enormous because the MONSTER RINSE CYCLE lasts a freakin' hour and a half. | ||
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