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Thread Number: 60790
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Kenmore Lady and TOL Washer Models? |
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| Post# 834142 7/28/2015 at 06:04 (3,189 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
 How many different Kenmore/Whirlpool washer models had the select/turn till stop/pull to start consoles like the piano keyboard on the Lady Kenmore machine? I know of the 'alphabet' machines, but did you select the cycle with an alpha button then turn the timer till it stopped at the beginning of the wash cycle? Malcolm | ||
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| Post# 834154 , Reply# 2 7/28/2015 at 07:05 (3,189 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Push Start ... Pull Stop | ||
Post# 834156 , Reply# 3 7/28/2015 at 07:22 (3,188 days old) by combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Push Button Mechanical Cycle Selector Timers These started to appear on TOL WP washers around 59 or 60 and on high end KMs at about the same time, but did not come out on a LKM till the 63 LKM washer. WP used this system on its Imperial Mark 12 TOL washers through the 1965 machines and then never used it again. Sears used this system on on every LKM washer from its 63 models through the 1975 LKMs, there were about ten different LKM washers that used this system.
These mechanical PBT systems worked very well and gave few problems although they really were not necessary to operate a washer. They were a real boom for people with sight problems as it made it very easy to correctly select the starting point for a desired cycle, for most models WP-KM would supply free braille kits to apply to the buttons.
All of these KM-WP washers had a push-to-start timer and pull-to-stop operation, and yes it is generally better and more accepted to have a push to stop design, however other companies like Frigidaire washers also used push-to-start on their machines and they did not even have the mechanical push-button timers systems. | ||
| Post# 834173 , Reply# 4 7/28/2015 at 10:02 (3,188 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Thanks John | ||
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Post# 834179 , Reply# 5 7/28/2015 at 10:33 (3,188 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 834180 , Reply# 6 7/28/2015 at 10:44 (3,188 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Yes.....
Like this 1970 KM 800 washer I used to have (it's back in Boston). Similar to a Lady, but 2 speed, gold agitator instead of white, different dispenser locations, etc.
Kevin
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| Post# 834193 , Reply# 7 7/28/2015 at 12:51 (3,188 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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KM 800 | ||
| Post# 834209 , Reply# 8 7/28/2015 at 14:32 (3,188 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
 It must have been a great feature for users with poor or no vision! I never thought about that! I never had a washer with a pushbutton mechanical timer selector but that was certainly a great idea.
As for the push-start and pull-stop timers, I guess Whirlpool got rid of those when they introduced the models with the slanted control panels in 1967, the earliest one I have with the pull-start timer is from 1971 but I guess John L could tell it more precisely. Frigidaire also got rid of that in 1970 with the introduction of the 1971 "S line" perforated tub (1-18) models that replaced the solid tub models. I'm not sure about the very early Agitub Laundry Centers (again, John L could tell as he has one) but my 1973 Frigidaire GMini also has a pull-to-start timer.
1971 Frigidaire 1-18
1971 RCA (like Whirlpool)
1973 Frigidaire GMini
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Post# 834214 , Reply# 9 7/28/2015 at 15:33 (3,188 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 834254 , Reply# 10 7/28/2015 at 19:38 (3,188 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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KM & push button mechanical stop timers
I think John got it almost exactly spot on - 9 LK models had this type of timer from what I can figure. These are the 63, the 64, 65, 66, 68, the 70, 71, 72, and the 1974 Lady K. There wasn't a new model for 1967, 1969, 1973 or 1975. There were only tiny differences between the 70 and 71s, and the '74 was a large capacity re-do of the 1972 with one less speed. The 66 LK had a number of derivatives (like six or seven) which were in production as 900 and 800 series models into the early seventies, including Kevin's coppertone 800 machine which was a 1970 or 1971 model.
There were also some earlier models, including the elusive 1962 800, which though not an LK, was essentially featured just like the '63 but with 1962 console styling. There was also a 1961 Kenmore 70 with push-button timer stops, which I think is the lowest this went downline. There were also some 24-inch machine variations too that had push-button timer stops. That line was always for niche markets and not nearly as commonly made, thus I am not sure any of us here have seen all the variants that KM had, but there were at least a couple. They usually used warmed-over styling from 29-inch KMs from one or two years before. Interesting question Malcolm! Gordon | ||
| Post# 834338 , Reply# 11 7/29/2015 at 09:05 (3,187 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Cool. | ||
| Post# 834354 , Reply# 12 7/29/2015 at 11:48 (3,187 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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How about Whirlpools? Some Mark 12 had that feature too?
I thought that the 3 speed Lady Kenmore would have been discontinued a bit later. Here in Canada, Inglis discontinued the 3 speed motor for a few years in the early 1970s on the TOL models but reintroduced them in 1974 for a short period. And when did Kenmore get the push-stop timers? I suppose they did on the some of the woodgrain door models? Did that require an extensive redesign the timer stop mechanism on the push button models or did they keep the push-start timers on the LK until the end of the push button models? Anyone has pictures of how these timers work? The push buttons are mechanically linked to the timer. I have set the timer on Paul's 1965 LK once but I never looked at the back of the panel. | ||
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Post# 834391 , Reply# 13 7/29/2015 at 14:03 (3,187 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The last Whirlpool 3-speed (belt-drive) model was LAA9800 (far as I know), which was 1974/75 model year. No pushbutton-timer involved, Whirlpool had discontinued it years prior (after 1965 as Combo52 says above). I believe this model pictured (1974?) was the last year of pushbutton-timers for Lady Kenmore. They were still push start / pull stop and 3-speed (Custom Care button). The pushbutton timer mechanism involved an array of pins, one for each fabric cycle button. Option buttons (Cold Wash, Cold Rinse, 2nd Rinse and Custom Care) that were selected with another cycle did not have a pin. When a cycle button was pressed and the timer was in the out/stop position, the pin pressed against a rotating plate with perforations in it. Each pin was aligned to its respective perforation for start of that cycle. The pin dropped into the hole when the start point was reached, locking the timer from turning further. Of course, the pin was released when the timer was pushed to start, otherwise it wouldn't be able to advance through the cycle functions. This post was last edited 07/29/2015 at 16:58 | ||
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Post# 834392 , Reply# 14 7/29/2015 at 14:11 (3,187 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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This is the Whirlpool LDA9800 2-speed that followed the LAA9800 3-speed. LAA9800 had a 3rd agitate speed button (where LDA9800 has a blank space). The three agitate speeds were labeled High, Medium, and Low. | ||
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Post# 834401 , Reply# 15 7/29/2015 at 14:43 (3,187 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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A few more photos....
... of the set directly above.
1976 WP Imperial Mark 12 set.... just because. And being these are "76 models, 11 years after WP stopped using the timer-lock controls (or what ever you call it), this one doesn't have it either. | ||
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Post# 834447 , Reply# 16 7/29/2015 at 21:48 (3,187 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Push start / Push stop on Kenmores
To answer Phil's question above:
As best I can tell, the first pull to start or push to stop timers debuted on a couple new 1974 models. This was not an across the board swap, but a gradual one as new models replaced older 1972 and 1973 models. Oddly, some other new for 1974 models that used existing timers remained in the old pull stop format, as did some 1975 models. These two years were a hodgepodge of both configurations. With the introduction of the entire new line for 1976 which had the new 'wet look' black panel consoles, all models had switched to the pull start format. Incidentally, three of the timers that were designed between 1974 and 1977 lived through 1986 to become some of the most widely used domestic washer timers in history, in fact at least two remain available from WP to this day for machines made more than 30 years ago. Gordon | ||
| Post# 834453 , Reply# 17 7/29/2015 at 22:13 (3,187 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Thanks for the information! I had a 1976 Whirlpool LDA9800 just like the one above. The control panel was corroded and the outer tub was shot so I parted it out to and used the motor in my 1972 Inglis Royal 100 (picture 2). If it had been a 3 speed, I would have tried to save it as I have no 3 speed machines in my small washer collection. | ||
| Post# 834457 , Reply# 18 7/29/2015 at 23:29 (3,187 days old) by toploadloyalist (San Luis Obispo, CA) | ||
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Custom Care selection / Extra Slow agitation What did the 'Custom Care' selection do on those "piano keyboard" KM's, and which of the two Delicate-related selections had the extra slow agitation? | ||
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Post# 834477 , Reply# 19 7/30/2015 at 05:32 (3,187 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 834508 , Reply# 20 7/30/2015 at 11:22 (3,186 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I've mentioned it took awhile before I appreciated the 1960 Model 80 in our household due to a severe case of Frigidaire envy. I had an unused 1959 Lady Kenmore for about a year back in the early 1990s which was very similar to the Model 80.
Timed dispensers for bleach and fabric softener; a wide array of pre-programmed cycles; an option that stepped water temperature down one level for houses without enough water-heater power; lights in the tub, on the console and, in the Lady K, an ultraviolet lamp which made the suds glow; the option to save or not save wash water (on suds-saver models); infinitely-variable water levels; Roto-Swirl agitators that turned over even the toughest loads; very effective lint-filtering systems (self-cleaning in the Lady K). You're right, Malcolm, they were very advanced--or at least feature-laden--machines for their time. Of course Maytags were quieter and almost every other brand of washer spun faster, but those Kenmores sported a long list of bells and whistles. They even became substantially quieter and less prone to suds-lock by the mid-1960s. My ever-frugal, do-it-yourself stepfather replaced the innards of our '60 with those of a lightly-used mid-60's machine while I was in college. I could hear (and see) the differences the first time I used it after that. The Super Roto-Swirl agitator was gold, skinnier and had ribs on the column and fins; the bottom of the tub sported two rather than four rows of drain holes. It was fun watching the videos of Kenmores posted in this thread. Thanks! Ben (Swestoyz): Do you still have your pink '59 Lady K? 
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| Post# 834538 , Reply# 21 7/30/2015 at 18:35 (3,186 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
Push to start/run | ||
| Post# 834546 , Reply# 23 7/30/2015 at 21:20 (3,186 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 834548 , Reply# 24 7/30/2015 at 21:56 (3,186 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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Post# 834635 , Reply# 25 7/31/2015 at 11:27 (3,185 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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 @ Frigilux -
Oh yeah, those pepto Kenmore's are still around. I haven't had time or the ambition to work on them. Someday....
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...
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| Post# 834696 , Reply# 26 8/1/2015 at 00:19 (3,185 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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>She bought a new Kenmore 4 cycle in the early 70's, which the 4th was an enzyme soak that nobody would ever use,
Think of some of today's machines with a 78 different cycles. ("Normal Wash" "Pet Bedding--Small Dog" "Pet Bedding--Large Dog" Etc, etc, etc.) I bet most users of such modern machines probably have more than one more cycle that will never get used! | ||
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Post# 834721 , Reply# 27 8/1/2015 at 11:07 (3,184 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Stop lock timers on lady Kenmore's | ||
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Post# 834723 , Reply# 28 8/1/2015 at 11:54 (3,184 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Custom Care button I have in my mind that the Custom Care button reduced the agitation speed by one step--meaning ex-slow on knit/delicate cycle and shifted to slow agitation when selected on Normal and Perm Press cycles. Anyone notice on the close-up of the avocado 1974 LK, the Perm Press cycle max length as only 8 minutes? Previous LK Perm Press cycles max lengths were 12 minutes. The 10 minute cycle at the bottom was for knits and the 6 minute point on that cycle was for delicate. Only on the LK, the Knit cycle also had a 2 minute pause (the 8 minute increment)( where the agitation stopped and had a brief soak. The earlier to mid-life LKs had one timer increment for whites (hot) and another timer increment for colors (warm). But I think at some point, both of those cycles for Normal & Perm Press both stopped at the maximum wash time for both whites & colors to take advantage of the detergent dispenser--which only functioned initially at the max wash time, but eventually "flowed" for 2 timer increments. Thus my supposition for these later ones was that maybe cycle button also controlled the hot or warm wash temps. | ||
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Post# 835665 , Reply# 29 8/8/2015 at 08:58 (3,177 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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8/8/2015 Picture of the Day is a 1960 Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII with pushbutton timer. CLICK HERE TO GO TO DADoES's LINK | ||
| Post# 836436 , Reply# 31 8/13/2015 at 12:45 (3,172 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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