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Post# 834277   7/28/2015 at 22:03 (3,193 days old) by Artcurus (Odessa)        

Our 1995 vintage Kenmore finally completely died.(Pretty sure it's the transmission, tub is completely locked up). We are considering replacing with a Speed Queen after hearing bad things about the HE washers, plus the insane wash times. There's also NO WAY IN H#LL we are getting a front loader.

My only real concern is the smaller tub size. Can this machine wash a king size comforter? I'm getting mixed answers from the appliance companies.





Post# 834278 , Reply# 1   7/28/2015 at 22:10 (3,193 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

I don't think they can wash a king size comforter, at least I wouldn't try. Were you able to wash one in your Kenmore? The tub isn't that small, and it doesn't seem smaller then any DD Whirlpool/Kenmore I've ever seen.

Post# 834286 , Reply# 2   7/28/2015 at 22:43 (3,193 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

I would not wash a king size comforter in my Speed Queen, I would think that it would cause excessive wear and tear on the belt. Anything like that I take in to the cleaners to have it professionally cleaned. (I want my machine to last a very long time trouble free and I'm very careful not to overload.) No.

Post# 834394 , Reply# 3   7/29/2015 at 14:14 (3,192 days old) by maylingsmom ()        

I have a Speed Queen. The largest size comforter you can get in the machine is a queen. However if the comforter is pretty fluffy i don't think the queen will wash well. We just take ours to the laundromat.

Post# 834423 , Reply# 4   7/29/2015 at 17:35 (3,192 days old) by Artcurus (Odessa)        

Thanks for the replies. There's only three staying here at the house, but we have spurts (grandkids come over) where we do multiple loads in one day.However, the short, but effective wash times would play heavily in our favor. The small tub size MIGHT not be that much of an issue. The pros for these machines outweigh the cons.

As someone else mentioned, there's the laundrymat or dry cleaners for the comforter.


Post# 834425 , Reply# 5   7/29/2015 at 18:12 (3,192 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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you would be surprised at the actual capacity a SQ has, at maximum fill level, it holds a lot.....

comforters are hard for most any machine if their really puffy.....


I prefer quilts myself, and I have two king size beds, which wash nicely in the SQ...


Post# 834451 , Reply# 6   7/29/2015 at 22:00 (3,192 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

I can fit more in our SQ TL then I could in our old front loader before it would start throwing out error codes and refusing to spin. It can indeed handle a lot and still have good turnover.

Post# 837845 , Reply# 7   8/23/2015 at 09:41 (3,168 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
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I went by another Speed Queen dealer yesterday. Seems there is a 6 week backorder on all the SQ TL models. He says the last delivery they had sold out in under two weeks. The next delivery they are expecting in two weeks has been spoken for already. The TL machines are selling 3 to 1 against all FL machines they stock.

Amazing...

Malcolm


Post# 837847 , Reply# 8   8/23/2015 at 10:23 (3,167 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Malcolm, when I bought my Speed Queen last week, I got it same day, only because there was a cancellation, the dealer told me he sells tons of them and cannot keep them in stock.
Artcurus, what is the tub size in your current washer? Don't be fooled by SQ'S tub size, it holds a lot of clothes, I have a big family and this model AWN432 is perfect for me. I tried a medium weight queen comforter, not much turn over, and its not something I would do again, just puts too much stress on the machine and for me its not worth it. I use duvet covers on the comforters which can be washed in the SQ and take the comforters to the laundry every 3 months. I love my Speed Queen.


Post# 837863 , Reply# 9   8/23/2015 at 12:27 (3,167 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

It's amazing, Alliance is really cashing in on SQ being the only, IMO REAL TL washer left on the market. So many people have been burned on the FL'er fad in the past 15 years (or HE TL) that they just want their old Maytag or Whirlpool back only to find that the only options left are cheap junk. They have wisened up to that. Everyone I talk to who does laundry and cares about clean clothes and has had a FL or HE TL has said something to me about wanting their old water guzzler back.
To me this clearly says the manufacturers, such as Whirlpool just aren't doing it right, or else people wouldn't be wanting old tried and true technology back after having the new stuff. Especially when it comes to cycle times, water temperature, and longevity...


Post# 837869 , Reply# 10   8/23/2015 at 13:33 (3,167 days old) by washman (o)        
Getcha a Speed Queen

and never look back!

The last old school TL machine today, these things are built like tanks. I've had mine for a while now and I still watch the laundry churn and turn and come out clean like no other.

Believe me when I tell you, you won't regret your purchase.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO washman's LINK


Post# 837875 , Reply# 11   8/23/2015 at 14:34 (3,167 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)        

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I'm editing this post because I've had seconds thoughts.  It sounds like a Speed Queen TL would suit you well for daily laundry.  But what about comforters?  If they don't fit, would you be happy to buy a Speed Queen TL and be prepared to take comforters to a laundromat?  Or would this be a deal breaker?




This post was last edited 08/23/2015 at 16:33
Post# 837950 , Reply# 12   8/23/2015 at 23:47 (3,167 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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In my opinion, people who feel they have been "burned" by a FL didn't know how to use it. Most Americans do not deal well with change and don't read or follow instructions. They tried to use a FL like they did their old TL....throw in tons of laundry with too much detergent and fabric softner in cold water and push go. Probably didn't even use HE detergent. Then they slam the door shut when they are done and don't let it air out. Probably have mold growing in their showers too.

SQ TLs are the only old school TL machines today and are a good choice for some. Personally I would not have one. Too primitive and I couldn't stand using that much water to wash a load of clothes. I get cleaner clothes using less. I've owned TLs in the past and will never go back to one. Unless you heat the water, they take about 5 or 10 minutes longer than a TL. Big deal. There are no TLs that can heat water to high temps and sanitize.

Don't even try to wash a comforter in a TL agitator washer. Go straight to the Laundromat or dry cleaners.

But I love vintage TLs and they are fun to see and play with.





Post# 837953 , Reply# 13   8/24/2015 at 00:47 (3,167 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

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Post# 837977 , Reply# 14   8/24/2015 at 08:22 (3,167 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Additionally...

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The dealer that I went to on Saturday had an AWNE82 on the sales floor and the tub was fine. So, this may have been an isolated problem and not widespread.

Malcolm


Post# 838094 , Reply# 15   8/24/2015 at 22:22 (3,166 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I agree with Rich. In my own experiences with FLs, the mildew/mold issue is caused by not leaving the door.ajar after the final load is done. Use of HIGH EFFICIENCY/low sudsing detergent is recommended but ,most of what's available now IS low suds and may be used sparingly with reasonable results way below half the way up the window. In my L.G Tromms, I can fit my queen size down comforter,both shams,both sheets and pillow cases . I adjusted the water level to fill just level with the door handle. I use the quick cycle and fourteen hundred RPM final spin. I've had this one over three years and it has had no problems. Our daily drive model. When I got it,it worked sometimes but the door lock assembly was bad. I bought a replacement on line for under forty dollars on ebay, replaced the faulty part and everything began to work. A $1100 front loading washer in stainless steel for only $40 plus the part. Easy to work on. Great performance, great style, and dependability. Their top loaders are also great. I got.mine about half a year ago and had no idea how great a job and how huge a capacity it heald. Model number is WT1101CW.. I see them at Home Depot on sale for $599. They hold a lot more then ANY Speed Queen washers or dryers I know of. No beating, pounding,or pulling. Just tumbling clothes in water using perforated fins instead of sharp blades that ware out the fabrics and can cause dryer fires from excess lint accumulation in dryer vents.

Post# 838150 , Reply# 16   8/25/2015 at 08:25 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

My neighbor has some sort of Fl kenmore, I think its 1-2years old..she washes everything on quick wash, cold water and liquid purex..she's been complaing door seal is black and clothes come out stinking, now she says the bad smell is in the dryer...she won't listen to a word I say..so I told her she's essentially wearing moldy clothes, she hasn't spoken to me since.lol

Post# 838215 , Reply# 17   8/25/2015 at 14:14 (3,165 days old) by Artcurus (Odessa)        

Follow up. We got the SQ, and we are very pleased. The dealer also said that he couldn't keep them in stock and sold at least 30 a month. Mine already came with hte water level adjusted. As I mentioned before, we don't believe the tub size is going to be that big a deal in the long run. There's the laundry mat for the really big stuff.

@golittlesport, sorry but I'm not buying it. When I did the research, there were thousands of reports of mold, clothes not getting clean/not getting rinsed out properly because of not enough water, (even dry spots on clothes), proof that the turnover was not there with TL HE machines, constant breakdowns, the list goes on. And I read both positive and negative reviews. In most cases, the negatives outnumber the positives almost two to one on the most the popular machines.

There's actually a class action lawsuit over the mold issue in many popular machine brands.








Post# 838221 , Reply# 18   8/25/2015 at 14:31 (3,165 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

That law-suit was turned down long ago, wasn't it?

I think you'll be happy with SQ. However, there is proof as well that most of the problems you describe are related to user errors. And it has been layed out several times on this website.


Post# 838224 , Reply# 19   8/25/2015 at 14:36 (3,165 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Remember the vast predominance of Internet reviews will ALWAYS skew negative on any product. People that are truly pleased with any given item seldom ever take to the Interwebs to bother to write glowing reviews. On the flip side if people are unhappy with a product (even if they are the cause) they will write a negative review where ever they can! While doing research via reading the forums on the Internet is a good thing, you must be very careful with how you interpret the data. You can't be sure what the sample really is. Analysis based on flawed data is ultimately flawed.

Indeed there is a class action suit due to the "stinky washer" syndrome, and very likely they will prevail over the manufacturers. In this litigious society that we now live in the courts often side with people that don't have common sense. Get burned by hot coffee and get a check...

The people that pay attention to their laundry and are able to adjust their habits to properly use a front load machine don't have any stinky washer problems. I have known people to develop stinky top loaders too, its NOT the machine.

Your opening message stated that "NO WAY IN HELL" would you get a front load machine so clearly your decision was already made. The SQ top load machine is indeed the best modern version of a traditional top load machine. You are likely to be pleased with it in the long run. But there are distinct advantages to a front loading machine which you just can't get with a top load machine. Coloring front load machines as being bad due to others improper usage is a shame. Most all of Europe and almost all commercial laundry can't be wrong.



Post# 838239 , Reply# 20   8/25/2015 at 15:34 (3,165 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)        
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Other then a Speed Queen front load or good European front load with a built in heater I would never touch anything else. The majority of front loads on the market today are imo not worth it. Life expectancy, having to leave to door open, wet nap washing, no heater (ok I will admit Speed Queen does not have on yet), poor hair/lint removal, long cycle times, average cleaning and the like keep me away from most front loads.

Granted some people do not know how to properly use a font load, but the garbage being pushed onto American consumers is another problem all together.

Water guzzling top loads are simply the best in many ways and I do not blame those who stick to them.


Post# 838243 , Reply# 21   8/25/2015 at 16:27 (3,165 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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Robert,
Use your common sense
Anybody knows that ,if you turn off a refrigerator or freezer and not leave the door ajar,you'll get mildew and mold. Front AND top loading washers do the same thing. Top loaders have build up on the outer tub interior. Take apart any Whirlpool line washer and you'll see it foemed.on the plastic liner of the outer tub. The front loaders line, LG or Electrodaire,GE or Samsung,all have the magnet.to leave the door ajar without it swinging out too far. The Whirlpool products have a door that isn't as free moving as.the rest and may be left open a bit without swinging all the way out and in the way. If.one.follows the simple directions of wiping the boot and leaving the door ajar,no mildew will ever begin growing because the humidity and moisture are evaporated. My front loaders of all brands, Frigidaire GE, Maytag, LG, Asko, Westinghouse,Miele, Bosch, and Philco of Italy , never.,never,ever got any kind of growth in them. I always left the doors open and wiped the rubber boot to keep everything fresh and ready to use again.
In my sales profession, I taught my customers who bought the front loaders and or the combination front load LGs,how to do their wash on these and how to maintain them. Those who followed through were never heard from again. Those who didn't were always calling to pitch a bitch about,mold or a smelly washer. I'd have them get some Spray 9, pour about two cups of it into the dispenser and do a hot wash/warm rinse cycle.w/out any clothes. Then, leave the door and tray ajar overnight. After that,they kept it open when not in use. The.dispute with Whirlpool should be dropped because the reasoning is more customer error or misuse. Not the fault of the manufacturer. Read the use and care guides. They'rethere for a reason.


Post# 838244 , Reply# 22   8/25/2015 at 16:29 (3,165 days old) by washman (o)        
A co worker of mine

got married to a gal in Austintown OH over the weekend. They are going to replace the oft repaired Samsung FL machine. They ordered at SQ TL, don't recall the model but it is the one with the electronic panel.

ESTIMATED, repeat ESTIMATED delivery is 3rd week of October due to the demand for these things. Dealer told them he cannot keep any SQ TL in stock. They did not mention if they looked at the FL machine or not.

Seems the word is getting out about SQ.................which is a good thing for 1300 workers in Ripon Wisc.


Post# 838249 , Reply# 23   8/25/2015 at 17:06 (3,165 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        
Landromat...

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I enjoy reading your posts, and do so beyond day dreaming about living in Hilo someday.
As the ranking resident spokesperson/cheerleader for LG laundry in these parts (imo and meant as a compliment) i have to say the one grain of salt i take with your comments is the incredibly low price you obtain broken LG's.
I mean, ya, for $40 or what have you, i'd be smiling too!
I do the same thing with vacuums btw, all sorts of stuff i can get for pennies compared to retail...albeit broken and dirty. No problemo i can tear it down and make it right.
That said if you didn't have the skills to fix, or access to nearly new busted LG's in apparent plentiful supply --a red flag right there to some as far as buying a new one-- what might you buy?




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Post# 838264 , Reply# 24   8/25/2015 at 19:02 (3,165 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
Artie

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LOL. You don't have "to buy it" from me. You already bought your SQ TL. Congrats and enjoy it.

I wouldn't touch a TL HE washer either. But I am a FL convert and I get better results than I did with previous TLs. We all have our own experiences and opinions. But I firmly believe almost all complaints about FLs are caused by the user not following directions.


Post# 838278 , Reply# 25   8/25/2015 at 21:30 (3,165 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
The reason speed queens are out of stock

The plant basically shut down for the month of July to improve their assembly line. All queens were Out of stock we just got our back order of awn432's a week ago.

Post# 838283 , Reply# 26   8/25/2015 at 22:14 (3,165 days old) by washer111 ()        

I'm glad you are happy with your purchase.

That said, a lot of the issues we are seeing with HE machines is failure to adjust to the way they work.

Its often said here that doing laundry requires a combination of Mechanical action, Chemical action, Time and Temperature (which works in proportion to chemical action). Reduce any, and another must increase.
Therefore, the newer HE machines have less mechanical action (i.e. FL's are gentler on clothes). So the others must be increased to compensate. As such, we now have "concentrated" detergent loadings, longer cycles and hopefully enough temperature.

The problem becomes that people don't want to spend the time to wash their clothes. A "Quick Cycle," like on ANY automatic washing machine (Dishwasher or otherwise) is not intended for heavily soiled clothes. Nor is cold water.
As such, people are creating for themselves a recipe for disaster. And it happens, and it thus becomes "The Washer's Fault."

3 years ago now, we switched to a Miele FL from our ailing Simpson TL machine. Due to some plumbing issues, the old machine could only use cold water. Even on the full cycle, results were "good enough," but the machine was slowly developing an odor issue. And so were clothes.

The Miele, despite longer cycles and less water usage, got rid of this quickly. Due in thanks to WARM water!

Our clothes are also lasting lots longer now, too.

What Phil (kb0nes) highlighted, above, rings oh-so-true.



Post# 838285 , Reply# 27   8/25/2015 at 22:27 (3,165 days old) by Artcurus (Odessa)        

Holy..Talk about igniting a firestorm...Good Grief..

Post# 838288 , Reply# 28   8/25/2015 at 22:44 (3,165 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

I've always used a traditional (except for a year in 1980) but I've never done a *quick* wash. Every load I do is agitated for 1/2 a cycle than soaked for anywhere from30 minutes to all night. I always felt I was letting the enzymes and sodium percarbonate have time to do its job and getting it done in a much more gentle way. But I think I'm the exception rather than the rule. I know a lot of people that would never take the time it requires to get clothes as clean as they could, yet bemoan the fact they can't get stains out..cheryl

Post# 838306 , Reply# 29   8/26/2015 at 06:00 (3,165 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

After switching to a FL almost 10 years ago it would be hard to go back. I have at times considered a SQ top load but it would have to be in addition to a FL. But I have to say after 3 years I still don't like my LG. I was much happier with the Kenmore badged Frigidaire that it replaced. I just can't accept the fact that after 10+ minutes into the cycle all the clothes are not even wet. Way too much "sensing" and "pulsing" to fill with water. Doing 3 loads day we just don't have the time for it. I'm sure a SQ FL would be more suitable.


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