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Post# 834639   7/31/2015 at 11:55 (3,163 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

With IFA Berlin next month, I thought I'd start the thread, showcasing new/forthcoming appliances.

I posted all ready lots of things on my dedicated Facebook page to new appliances - please see my new page by clicking the link below, and click like to keep upto date with "New" appliances.

Please help expand the thread by adding other news you've found out about, and if you go to IFA be sure to tell us all about it!


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Post# 834640 , Reply# 1   7/31/2015 at 12:02 (3,163 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
Bosch

ActiveOxygen
or as it seems - Steam!
New technology from Bosch, adds a boost of 30 minute steam (oxygen) before the final rinse, to offer a deep sanitise, and kill 99.99% of bacteria.
There's also a special steam refresh (Active Oxygen Refresh) setting.

We also see - the 2 Cottons cycles added. With the help of Facebook - we've concluded this: Cottons (normal) has 3 wash times - 1hr Speedperfect 2hr20/2hr40 normal, 3hr30 Eco Perfect. then Cottons Eco is the 5hr+ low energy wash (for the energy label). If anyone can confirm that, that would be great.

Siemens will probably get similar technology.


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Post# 834641 , Reply# 2   7/31/2015 at 12:09 (3,163 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
Siemens - Laundry Care (Via App)

Yes its a copy of Candy, Miele etc, but has got its own spin, plus unique Siemens Technology, being able to detect when to start the machine at low energy times of the night.

The New IQ800 with Home Connect (Washing & Drying Via App).
Debuting at the IFA 2015 - the new washing machines, will be the first to launch from the new Bosch owned Siemens Home appliance division under Siemens Name.
OK - they've essentially copied the Candy wash App (which however still only exists in Italy), but tweaked it, and of course added more complex features.
Both Washing Machine and dryer can be connected to the wifi, and controlled via the App. (just like the Siemens oven and hob from last years IFA).
There are 2 massive benefits.
The first - the App, and the machine can work out the best time, to do the laundry, when the energy is at its lowest price. Starting automatically, this essentially means goodbye Delay Timer, hello smart washer!!!
Plus the washer can be programmed directly from the App, and combined with iSensoronic - all you have to do is the load the machine, and close the door. You select a few parameters via the app, the machine does the rest, including the dosing, the washing, and spin drying. The app then lets you know when completed. Select via the App - if you want a short or energy wash, and the type of clothing, and isensoronic takes care of the rest!
The app also lets you know to the nearest ml just how much detergent is left in iDos, and when a refill is needed!
Overall there are even more features :)


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Post# 834674 , Reply# 3   7/31/2015 at 19:50 (3,162 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Steam? The press releases speak of oxygen and an oxygen generator. Hm... Said generator is, by the way, also activated at the beginning of the cycle. And yes, Siemens will get the same thing.

Not too keen on the new look of the Home Pro models by Bosch. Where did the nice display go? I hope some models will retain the HD display.


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Post# 834675 , Reply# 4   7/31/2015 at 19:54 (3,162 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Also...

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Not sure if I'll go this year. None of the press releases by BSH, AEG, Miele etc. were that impressive. It's mostly (once again) about smart appliances this year. *yawn*

Post# 834703 , Reply# 5   8/1/2015 at 04:36 (3,162 days old) by L86810 (Southend, UK)        
Woohoo!

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I like this time of year... Thanks for starting the thread.

I thought Gorenje we releasing something this year after their collaboration with Panasonic?.... I read somewhere that Panasonic were realising their new machines in 2014 (which they did) and then Girenje we ramping up their production ready for 2015. So might see something new from them...


Post# 834715 , Reply# 6   8/1/2015 at 08:14 (3,162 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
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Hi L86810,

these are the new Panasonic machines made by Gorenje.

Ingemar


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Post# 834719 , Reply# 7   8/1/2015 at 10:05 (3,162 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I've seen them online and honestly, I really highly doubt they are made by Gorenje.

Everything on them speeks Panasonic. Cycles, cycle times, EvoNavi, options, drum, recirculation.
Even if they are build by Gorenje, they should be pure Panasonic technology from the bottom to top.


Post# 834725 , Reply# 8   8/1/2015 at 12:45 (3,162 days old) by donprohel (I live in Munich - Germany, but I am Italian)        
"...doubt they are made by Gorenje..."

Well, the User's Manual is "Printed in Slovenia"

Post# 834728 , Reply# 9   8/1/2015 at 13:13 (3,162 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

Logixx
They look like Serie 8 models - I'm sure (as Siemens are) they'll retain the HD screen, hope so indeed! Thats a Serie 8 door too.
Steam - I'm presuming Oxygen will be like Steam, might not be but looks steamy in the press picture :)
Shame your not going, but I agree - nothing speacial seems to be launching, and its still all about smart phone connectivity again.

L86810
I'm not sure about Gorenje, they're last update models took forever to launch!!
I like these threads too - especially seeing all the new products, I just had to launch one :)

Those Panasonics are nice indeed, theres all ready a vid on youtube from the uploader - ad1989it (think thats right)! the steam refresh seems powerful, and the motor is the same Panasonic motor previously used.


Post# 834729 , Reply# 10   8/1/2015 at 13:16 (3,162 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
heres the IFA News release

seems interesting, but like it was said by Logixx - its similar to last year.


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Post# 834740 , Reply# 11   8/1/2015 at 16:02 (3,162 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Post# 834753 , Reply# 12   8/1/2015 at 17:57 (3,162 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

I'm dubious of that claim that steam will remove 99.99% of bacteria - where did that come from? Can you provide a source for the claim? I'd be interested to read how they tested it.

The reason that I'm so dubious of that is that steam as it's implemented in laundry appliances is a gimmick. It may help remove creasing, and it may, if you're lucky, help kill off a few bugs, but you won't get it in the concentration that you need for proper sterilisation. Think about how they sterilise medical instruments - they need autoclaves to have steam sterilisation under pressure in a sealed space, laundry appliances are not a sealed space.

As far as I know, Active Oxygen is different to steam anyway. I'm slightly confused how they'll be doing this, just as I am with Hotpoint using it on their dishwashers.

Connected appliances don't particularly interest me - it's a gimmick, really at the moment, though I could see a potential use if/when people move more to locally generated electricity using renewables. Even then, though, I see no need to use my phone to tell the washing machine to get on with it - I'll just stick with using the delay timer :)


Post# 834800 , Reply# 13   8/2/2015 at 03:14 (3,161 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Gorenje / Panasonic

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@ henene4

"I really highly doubt they are made by Gorenje"

Hi Henrik,

they are for sure, belive me. You can take a look at the plate near the drum seal. It is written "Made in Slovenia"

If you take a look inside the drum you will see that the padles are identical to those from Gorenje Senso Care washers.

Gorenje Senso Care washers has also the recirculation but the one on Panasonic branded washers is bigger.

Yes sure a lot on them "speeks Panasonic" otherwise what kind of cooperation would be.

They are still machines that carry the Panasonic brand on, even if they are produced by Gorenje.



Post# 834802 , Reply# 14   8/2/2015 at 04:56 (3,161 days old) by L86810 (Southend, UK)        

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Thanks Ingemar!

So won't Gorenje be producing new machines with their own logo on the machine?
I assumed they would be refreshing the Sensocare range since it was launched back in 2011

Adam :D


Post# 834804 , Reply# 15   8/2/2015 at 05:17 (3,161 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Hi Adam :)

I'm sure they will.

Yes indeed the Sensocare line was launched back in the 2011. I guess in this time they were working with Panasonic to launch their products.

Now would be the time to see a new line or the refreshed range of the Sensocare machines.



Post# 834806 , Reply# 16   8/2/2015 at 05:26 (3,161 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Panasonic entered into a working R & D collaboration with Goreneje nearly 2 years ago, so as Ingmar says we now see the fruits of their union coming to fruition,
they do indeed look like the SensoCare range but will have Panasonic specs and software!!

Don't forget Gorenje now own Asko so again we could see (Hopefully) aspects of great brands continuing!!


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Post# 834808 , Reply# 17   8/2/2015 at 05:31 (3,161 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

So, Gorenje builds them with mostly Panasonic parts and designs ;)
I watched the vids and the steaming looks pretty damn impressive.

I guess active oxygen will use ozon, so basicly O₃. As far as I know, you can create O₃ out of the O₂ in the air by just adding some energy. But I really don't know any details about that process.
What I know is that O₃ is highly reactive and thus not only has a certain whitening power if used in certain quantities, but just like chlorine bleach kills bacteria. And as no high temperatures are needed for this process, one can use this technique on pretty much anything.


Post# 834830 , Reply# 18   8/2/2015 at 11:35 (3,161 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

Even if ozone kills bacteria, I still wouldn't expect that proportion of them to be removed. It seems very unlikely.

However, if people are confusing bacteria with allergens, that may be more likely.


Post# 834832 , Reply# 19   8/2/2015 at 12:10 (3,161 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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It says right under the press release that it removed up to 99% of e. coli, c. albicans, s. enterica, a. brasiliensis, s. aureus, bacteriophage MS2 from cotton, cotton/poly blend and silk on a 20C cycle

Post# 834833 , Reply# 20   8/2/2015 at 12:40 (3,161 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

And allergens are even harder to remove.

What I wonder: Do bacteria need to be removed or just killed to be counted as removed? Killing bacteria is surprisingly simple in comparison to actual removal of allergens or even bacteria them selfes.
Bacteria are life forms and sadly, life forms are pretty sensitive. Minor things can wipe them out with ease. UV-rays, temperature, "small" dosages of radiation and most chemicals kill them.
Allergenes however can't be killed. They need to be flushed away completly. And this is far more work then sanatizing.


Post# 834847 , Reply# 21   8/2/2015 at 15:39 (3,161 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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@ chestermikeuk

Thank you Mike for the link


Post# 835754 , Reply# 22   8/9/2015 at 02:22 (3,154 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        
Interesting Read

www.expertreviews.co.uk/home-appl...

Post# 837722 , Reply# 23   8/22/2015 at 02:44 (3,141 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
These have appeared on aw.org before....but anyway....

....Haier dual wash
The washing machine that features to machine in one - looks the height of a fridge freezer!

Its hard to find news this year - anyone know of anymore??


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Post# 837723 , Reply# 24   8/22/2015 at 02:48 (3,141 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
Siemens avant-garde

Seems Siemens are hiding something!

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Post# 837728 , Reply# 25   8/22/2015 at 05:51 (3,141 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I just dreamt that Siemens makes a return of the old 9kg line they offered years ago. Just really updated.

Post# 838226 , Reply# 26   8/25/2015 at 14:45 (3,138 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

they might do, but they were made in the states, and their states production ended.
Also the machines were too big for most houses (particularly those with laundry in the kitchen).
Finally there newest machines have a full 9Kg load inside with much higher washing agitation speed.

We'll just have to see :)

I'm personally hoping its a modern version of the classic Serie IQ machines (which were certainly ahead of their years) with the large LCD button screen, and 1800rpm.


Post# 838231 , Reply# 27   8/25/2015 at 15:15 (3,138 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Though they changed the programming for the 9kg models, the drum still is only 64l. Which is way to small for a day to day mixed load that actually weighs 9kg.

The 1800rpm thing was somehow outdated. Manufacturers found it caused to much wear, and was not worth the 2 extra percet over 1600rpm.


Post# 838236 , Reply# 28   8/25/2015 at 15:27 (3,138 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Smart phones and apps might be replacing the need for LCD interfaces in the future. I mean, LG washers already use NFC to choose extra cycles. But I'd love a nice large screen like the IQ Series... or current V-Zug.

Post# 838501 , Reply# 29   8/27/2015 at 14:03 (3,136 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
LG Washers with 20 Years Warranty on the Motor

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Post# 838515 , Reply# 30   8/27/2015 at 15:11 (3,136 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Wohoo!

Now, IFA is turning interesting.

First, I'm really curious what the new suspension looks like. The press release is useless about that, LOL.
Second, I hope they bring back the steam machines to Germany.
Third, before even fully launching TurboWash here, they already cut down the time by 10 minutes again.
Fourth, I'd be glad to see an overall update on the EcoHybrid washer dryers.

And, fivth, finaly, TwinWash. Not only am I really keen on seeing how this system will be set up for the EU (heater etc.), I'm interested in how this 100% new washer design will integrate on the market.


Post# 838529 , Reply# 31   8/27/2015 at 17:47 (3,136 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Not sure if the Twin Washer will come to Europe. People here seem resistant to anything but 24" washers; even pedestals are rare. Someone from the German forum ask LG about plans to bring the Twin Washer to Europe and they said there were none. Maybe a smaller version? We'll see...

Post# 838533 , Reply# 32   8/27/2015 at 18:05 (3,136 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I don't see how the press release leaves any question about that. Its even in the German press release.

Post# 838535 , Reply# 33   8/27/2015 at 18:13 (3,136 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Yea but... the release says that the Twin Washer makes it's "appearance" in Europe - nothing on whether it will be sold here. I've been to LG's booth before and several American appliances "appeared", yet never went on sale.

It would be interesting to see a larger-than-normal machine to go on sale here, especially after practically all other manufacturers failed.


Post# 838737 , Reply# 34   8/30/2015 at 16:41 (3,133 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Active Oxygen

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Such a load of flannel.

You want oxygen in the wash, add hydrogen peroxide commonly found as sodium percarbonate or perborate. Even borax will add some oxygen to water.

All these extras to compensate if not cover up for the fact washing machines of today aren't a patch on those of old. They take longer in most cases to do washing and aren't of the same build quality.

What most want is a washing machine that is built to last and does the job properly without taking the better part of day.


Post# 838789 , Reply# 35   8/31/2015 at 01:26 (3,132 days old) by richnz (New Zealand)        
When will I see

Some top-loading h-axis machines that don't seem like poor relatives of front loaders.
Dishwashers that iDos (It is too much to reach into the cupboard, throw in a pill, shut the flap and snap back up to standing upright)
Washer-Dryer units that can dry the full load.

Ah dreams.


Post# 838796 , Reply# 36   8/31/2015 at 05:46 (3,132 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Washer-Dryers

Answer: You don't want to have that. And you won't. Ever wondered why dryer drums are about twice as large as washer durms? ;)

Finish sold a plasic container that had detergent for 12 washes I think. You just had to turn a knob IIRC and detergent was automaticly dispensed. However, this stuff was expensive AF and took up the space of about 4 cups.
Some commercial onces offer dosing systems.
For the houshold, one would have to wonder: A dosing system for tablets would be quite complicated and hard to fill up. Liquid detergents are rare, and most consumers wouldn't like to switch to powder.

And, if you search for an OK H-Axis TL: Go to Switzerland, and buy a V-Zug multi-housing machine. They have one of those.



And, laundress, its basicly the ozone system used in some commercial set-ups. Just in small scale. Its not about cleaning improvement, just hygenic cloth treatment.


Post# 838799 , Reply# 37   8/31/2015 at 07:06 (3,132 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
V-Zug

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Unfortunately V-Zug took the Unimatic T from the market. The topload model was a bit longer available as Sibir and Gehrig, but it's now not on the website of the Sibir group anymore.

Post# 839167 , Reply# 38   9/2/2015 at 06:45 (3,130 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        
A video for Siemens Avantgarde...

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Enjoy!!

(There is also a video on their Youtube channel for Siemens SensoFresh?... assuming that's their version on ActiveOxygen)


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Post# 839169 , Reply# 39   9/2/2015 at 06:51 (3,130 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        
AEG Absolute Care

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I also found a press release about AEG Absolute Care... a tumble dryer with Wool and Silk safe programmes which guarantee no shrinkage...



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Post# 839170 , Reply# 40   9/2/2015 at 06:53 (3,130 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        
AEG Dual Sense

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... and by the looks of it, the same feature on their new Dual Sense washer dryer (shame it's not heat pump though)



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Post# 839195 , Reply# 41   9/2/2015 at 09:26 (3,130 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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I read through the press releases. Nothing spectacular from either Bosch, Siemens, Miele etc. Miele will release its American ranges in Europe by the end of 2016.

Watching the Avantgarde video, it looks like BSH reduced the number if holes in the washer drum. They also redesigned the drying in dishwashers (Zeolith II), making it more effective and quieter. And, of course, everything is connected. Like: the dishwasher will tell you when your tabs run out - for those, who reach into the box of tablets blindfolded...


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Post# 839196 , Reply# 42   9/2/2015 at 09:27 (3,130 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
MIELE

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Post# 839198 , Reply# 43   9/2/2015 at 09:36 (3,130 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

AEG Protex heatpump dryers with inverter motors have the Wool\Silk drying programms since they were introduced. I can't see or imgaine what they now redesigned. Except for the back of the drum missing the plastic nose.

I still adore these dryers. They are in my opinion the best dryers out there. They are super gentle, their A+++ models have a time saver option, they have sensed and timed reversing, depending on which cycle you use, they have pretty accurate sensors and probably the best filter system by now.


Most Protex washer dryers featured Wool drying since their introduction as well. However, the Silk cycle is new. And I'm really interested in what the hell DualSense is. Keep in mind: To this point, Miele is (or was) the only combo that featured conductivity measurements for drying. Maybe AEG now found a way to incorporate it as well?
Their heatpump washer-dryer lineup remained the same, true, but I actually think that they are good the way they are now. The internet mostly says good things about them, and honestly, for 1200€, they are a good deal.


Post# 839202 , Reply# 44   9/2/2015 at 09:55 (3,130 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Avantgarde really dosen't impress me. However, I had to giggle when I saw the animated drum movement in the dryer. It's turning counter clockwise xD

Miele only seems to tweek it line up, using its slow reveal tactic: Make new, innovative features avaible only on the TOL lineup, then expand them over all models.


Post# 839203 , Reply# 45   9/2/2015 at 10:01 (3,130 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Our consumer magazine tested the heat pump washer/dryer. Like most AEG laundry, it was super slow (the tested cycles took each about 3.5 hours to wash and another 3.5 hours to dry) and there were problems during the durability test that are being discussed with AEG at the moment.

Post# 839208 , Reply# 46   9/2/2015 at 10:33 (3,130 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Hmmm

3 1/2 hours for an Ecocycle isn't much today, I would say.

And seeing that the BSH washer-dryers in sum take about 3 1/2 to dry 6kg of laundry as well, it's relative. Look at the 12/8 WD combos from Samsung or LG. They take close or mord then 10 hours for a full load wash and dry.

And the statement that energy usage would be high: What the hell? The EU label has its reasons, and if these use less then any WD combo for even more laundry, I wonder how they conclude energy usage is high.

Really, anything consumer report says here in Germany, I take with a grain of salt.


Though, I'd be interested in what problem it is. If its heatpump, heat exchanger, electronics or bearings related, I can understand them. But it could be "just" a drain pump failure as well.


Post# 839320 , Reply# 47   9/3/2015 at 02:37 (3,129 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

LOgixx - I absolutely love the Avant Garde Models - theres room for improvement mind you - an LCD area where the countdown is would be be better - to allow for text to appear - but obviously not required with how they've set it up, which actually does look very good.

Bosch do seem to be doing away with drum holes - though the back of the drum seems to have holes (again) in this new Series 4 machine!


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Post# 839324 , Reply# 48   9/3/2015 at 03:05 (3,129 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

Newest Bosch machines have metal drum paddles too :)

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Post# 839349 , Reply# 49   9/3/2015 at 08:04 (3,129 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
Samsung AddWash

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For those, whose washer has no pause button.

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Post# 839545 , Reply# 50   9/4/2015 at 10:44 (3,128 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Yey

BSH has their IFA videos up.

The 45cm DW are now equally equipped to the standard once: Zeolith, racks, Super 60° cycle.
Their standard once now have 3D airflow for the Zeolith as mentioned.

Serie 4 washers seem to have partially abolished the pre-wash option. However, they claim to be super silent now.

Their fridges are really tuned up, some with cameras, of corse variable low temp zones for meat, fish and a drawer with flexibel humidity for fruit\vegezables. Up to 80cm deep and 70cm wide, the new NoFrost freezers offer up to 55l (I think) more space in the same outside dimensions.



Post# 839560 , Reply# 51   9/4/2015 at 13:16 (3,128 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Post# 839573 , Reply# 52   9/4/2015 at 15:25 (3,128 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
The video Henrik mentioned

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Post# 839574 , Reply# 53   9/4/2015 at 15:34 (3,128 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Oh, I missed that there are english versions. Thank you, Alex :D

Post# 839958 , Reply# 54   9/7/2015 at 07:01 (3,125 days old) by Newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Not loving that Samsung hatch door. One way to ruin a streamlined design!

Darren


Post# 839977 , Reply# 55   9/7/2015 at 08:34 (3,125 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Post# 840438 , Reply# 56   9/9/2015 at 17:17 (3,123 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Though IFA is over...

I found this one online:

www.otto.de/p/siemens-was...

It has a pretty simmilar appearence in terms of UI layout to the avantgarde, is pretty cheap for an iDos machine, and is not even listed on the Siemens webpage yet.


Post# 840514 , Reply# 57   9/10/2015 at 00:49 (3,122 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Quietest Wash....

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And from Vestel the new design range with the latest Induction quiet motor technology built in their brand new motor factory...






Post# 842273 , Reply# 58   9/22/2015 at 15:54 (3,110 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

There is a Bosch version of the Siemens iDos linked too.

Looks like we could see a Bosch Avantgarde - but who knows!

Vestel looks interesting, and a new page on Hotpoint UK website Press releases (bit late now IFA's over, but its nice they finally put something up - better late than never!): www.hotpoint.co.uk/ifa-2015... also noticed they dropped the Square on the Logo - hopefully that writing will be back to joined up soon! (hotpoint fans will know what I mean)


Post# 856733 , Reply# 59   12/15/2015 at 13:26 (3,026 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
BSH ActiveOxygensensoFresh delay

So, BSH promised the oxygen thing (that I doubt to be a product that will make it far on the market) by mid November.

That was up until Friday, at least. Now, they changed the release date (or, by word they say more info) to March 2016.

So, maybe, the 45cm Zeolith DW models, the super silent washers and the avantgarde will be late as well.

Kind of disappointed.



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