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Thread Number: 61049
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Post# 836798 , Reply# 4 8/15/2015 at 13:16 (3,169 days old) by henene4  (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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You're correct, SQ did change the fill flume in order to offer the Normal Eco mode which only does a spray rinse. As stated before, these washers are certanly durable and do their job. They are not fancy or innovative about it, but they do what they need to do. And they do it fast and thourough. | ||
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Post# 836806 , Reply# 5 8/15/2015 at 14:37 (3,169 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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Congratulations!!!!
The best gift a person can give themselves. You will have a real washing machine that cleans, works and wont break in the first few years. The more you use your Speed Queen the more you will love it each time.
As others have said the tub will be greasy. Some hot water and suds will do. Add a bucket of water first to. Of note, if your drain can handle it cut off the restrictor at the end of the hose like I did. And don't use that black rubber thing either, Ive heard it can fall down into the standpipe. If the water level appears to low its an easy raise. Keep is updated! | ||
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Post# 836815 , Reply# 6 8/15/2015 at 16:49 (3,169 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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one side note.....granted your thrilled with the HOT fill, which is great by other standards, but WARM is not exactly a 50/50 mix, more like a 70/30, COLD being dominated, theres no AUTO temp control, but this is sort of how they get around the govt standards for dubbing down the temps......
two things you can do for a WARM wash...... some start the machine with HOT first, filling about 1/3 then selecting WARM...... or if you feel adventurous, some of us have drilled out the HOT side of the valve, equal to the COLD side, giving a true 50/50 mix every time.... but just the same, congrats on your new purchase.......many years of happy washing.....you wont regret it! | ||
| Post# 836821 , Reply# 7 8/15/2015 at 18:04 (3,169 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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As always laundry comes clean when washed in a Speed Queen. | ||
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Post# 836824 , Reply# 8 8/15/2015 at 18:25 (3,169 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI) |
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Martin The 2015 electronic models mix 50/50, idk about the AWN432 but I presume it does as well due to the Normal Eco cycle being added. | ||
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Post# 836879 , Reply# 9 8/16/2015 at 03:13 (3,169 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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Normal Eco | ||
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Post# 836906 , Reply# 12 8/16/2015 at 09:31 (3,168 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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SQ temps | ||
| Post# 836925 , Reply# 14 8/16/2015 at 12:51 (3,168 days old) by maylingsmom () | ||
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esty I would be interested in seeing your hook up. Which machine do you have? I have the 432. | ||
| Post# 836936 , Reply# 15 8/16/2015 at 14:33 (3,168 days old) by esty (New Jersey) | ||
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Hi, I have the awn542. I am very happy with the hook up. Let me know if you have any questions.
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Post# 837031 , Reply# 21 8/17/2015 at 06:56 (3,168 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 837130 , Reply# 24 8/17/2015 at 21:43 (3,167 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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I think there's rust 
My suggestion is to just use the machine. The tub can't rust in any appreciable manner, but it is possible for spots of discoloration to occur (like say when its made). Using the machine should make the discoloration fade with time. Remember you have a good warranty with this machine.
Perhaps Speed Queen needs to start passivating all their SS spin baskets but that would add about $50 to the cost of each machine. It would remove the black grime and make any weld or other discoloration in the basket disappear though. Not sure which people would complain about more. If you can post a well lit, in focus photo of the spot maybe we can add more detail on what it could be. I hope this doesn't become a deal breaker on this machine for you! It shouldn't as its very minor, but the next step is to get a nice flat rock for your laundry in that case... | ||
| Post# 837139 , Reply# 25 8/17/2015 at 22:38 (3,167 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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trying to post pic lol
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| Post# 837140 , Reply# 26 8/17/2015 at 22:40 (3,167 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Yea I did it | ||
| Post# 837141 , Reply# 27 8/17/2015 at 22:40 (3,167 days old) by mjg0619 (Scranton, Pennsylvania) | ||
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| Post# 837142 , Reply# 28 8/17/2015 at 22:41 (3,167 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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I will try another one in the morning | ||
| Post# 837146 , Reply# 29 8/17/2015 at 23:13 (3,167 days old) by esty (New Jersey) | ||
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Hi Cheryl, looks like rust to me. I would call a service technician. The tub has a lifetime warranty and can be replaced. Did you notice it when you got it? | ||
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Post# 837151 , Reply# 30 8/17/2015 at 23:55 (3,167 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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Great pic, thanks for showing us what you see!
If the spot really bugs you, buff it a little with some fine Scotchbrite. That will remove the rust spot right away. A bit of CLR or Oxalic acid would probably wipe it away too. When stainless steel is formed, rolled, cut, machined etc., its always possible that a small fragment of steel from the machine tool can be pressed or embedded into the surface. This material will rust and cause a visible stain like this. Passivation is a post finishing process where they soak the stainless piece in a warm acid and it dissolves away any ferric (steel) molecules on the surface to prevent this from happening. It helps to restore a clean, passive corrosion resistant layer on the surface. Its usually only done for critical pieces for medical or food processing industries. It would be WAY overkill for a laundry tub! I'd just continue to use the machine, the clothing will polish the inside of the tub soon enough. I would NOT call for service, this is a non-issue unless is doesn't go away after a while. | ||
| Post# 837170 , Reply# 31 8/18/2015 at 06:13 (3,167 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Rust Spot Is this the only spot in the tub? Or only the one you photographed. Can you feel it when you rub your finger across it? I would probably try a little Barkeeper's Friend to see if it would come off easily. I bet it would. In any case, I recommend retaining the photo in case you need to contact Alliance about it in the future. Malcolm | ||
| Post# 837194 , Reply# 33 8/18/2015 at 09:20 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Hope you can see this, I had a devil of a time trying to get this pic, they look like deep ingraved groves that go the entire way around the tub and are rough and a test of running a nylon stocking over it did snag...is this set of groves on all SQ's...thank you | ||
| Post# 837195 , Reply# 34 8/18/2015 at 09:20 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Oops wrong pic | ||
| Post# 837196 , Reply# 35 8/18/2015 at 09:21 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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| Post# 837197 , Reply# 36 8/18/2015 at 09:22 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Well it won't let me post the pic I choose lol | ||
| Post# 837198 , Reply# 37 8/18/2015 at 09:30 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Trying one more time..I choose the pic I want but it keeps sending the first pic | ||
| Post# 837199 , Reply# 38 8/18/2015 at 09:31 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Sorry it just won't let me choose a different pic | ||
| Post# 837200 , Reply# 39 8/18/2015 at 09:34 (3,166 days old) by esty (New Jersey) | ||
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Cheryl, where are the grooves you are mentioning? | ||
| Post# 837202 , Reply# 40 8/18/2015 at 09:42 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Beth they are just below the botton holes in the tubs side, but not the holes on the tub floor...I posted the pic on garden web...but for some reason here..everytime I choose the pic I want it sends the first pic | ||
| Post# 837204 , Reply# 41 8/18/2015 at 09:45 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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| Post# 837205 , Reply# 42 8/18/2015 at 09:45 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Damn it..lol | ||
| Post# 837213 , Reply# 43 8/18/2015 at 10:53 (3,166 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Wash Tub | ||
| Post# 837214 , Reply# 44 8/18/2015 at 10:55 (3,166 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Or This One? | ||
| Post# 837218 , Reply# 45 8/18/2015 at 12:05 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Malcolm, on the second pic they are around that shiny ring around the first row of holes along the side but mine are about 3 inches and rough enough to snag the heck out of nylons | ||
| Post# 837221 , Reply# 46 8/18/2015 at 12:20 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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beth Can I ask you a favore...could I try emailing you the pic and see if you can post it? I understand if your busy and can't...thank you cheryl | ||
| Post# 837222 , Reply# 47 8/18/2015 at 12:31 (3,166 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Registered? | ||
| Post# 837223 , Reply# 48 8/18/2015 at 12:34 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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I read another post where Frigilux looked at a SQ with these same rough groves...Frig, if your around when your SQ was delivered did it have this issue? Thank you cheryl | ||
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Post# 837225 , Reply# 49 8/18/2015 at 13:14 (3,166 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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The roughness you are feeling is either grooving that was left from spinning (rotary forming) the bottom of the basket or it could be scratching from sanding and finishing after forming and welding. This is the unfortunate downside of a stainless basket. With the porcelain coated baskets the layer of glass covers and smooths out these minor imperfections.
The roughness will wear smooth with use but very sensitive garments could be damaged. Of course something that sensitive (Nylons etc) should either be in a laundry bag or hand washed so its not that big an issue. Dragging Nylons dry across the roughness is an overly severe test as they would be wet and floating if they were being washed. As with the rust spot any rough areas could be worked a little by hand with some fine Scotchbrite or even fine wet/dry sandpaper. You can't harm the stainless by polishing it! Speed Queen does make a very solid and long lasting machine, but there is some crudeness there as well. They don't spend the money to polish that basket to a perfect mirror shine due to labor costs. | ||
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Post# 837237 , Reply# 50 8/18/2015 at 14:43 (3,166 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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SQ tub | ||
| Post# 837247 , Reply# 52 8/18/2015 at 15:40 (3,166 days old) by esty (New Jersey) | ||
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Hi again Cheryl, here is a picture of the seem on my speed queen. Does yours look the same?
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Post# 837282 , Reply# 54 8/18/2015 at 20:25 (3,166 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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This is the picture Cheryl wanted to post.
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| Post# 837285 , Reply# 55 8/18/2015 at 21:55 (3,166 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Great...Thank you Alex, I appreciate you doing this. This pic reminds me, do you see what looks like something dripping down the tub, yet it was wiped out and dry. Boy that pic shows all the flaws lol again thanks a bunch Alex | ||
| Post# 837347 , Reply# 56 8/19/2015 at 13:21 (3,165 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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New Machine | ||
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Post# 837351 , Reply# 57 8/19/2015 at 14:05 (3,165 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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Ahh the high cost of American labor compared to the imports, they have to cut corners somewhere. Pity they picked a very visible place that is likely to piss off customers so it may be a mistake long run.
A Scotchbrite wheel like the one in the photo chucked in a cordless drill would make quick work of this issue. Of course the customer shouldn't have to do it!
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| Post# 837357 , Reply# 58 8/19/2015 at 15:32 (3,165 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Salesman | ||
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Post# 837404 , Reply# 60 8/19/2015 at 22:32 (3,165 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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Any fine flexible abrasive wheel could be used. At the factory it looks like they are using something pretty coarse and inflexible to grind down the welds, this leaves behind the scratches. Using a tiny Dremel wheel will take forever, you'd be better off working it by hand.
The question still remains "is this an actual PROBLEM in using the machine"? I would wager it is an entire non-issue. With use the scratches will quickly smooth out. While it feels bad when you run your fingernails across the grain of the scratches, remember the laundry will largely be moving with the grain not against it. Also the garments will be swimming in the water and lubricated by the detergent, damage to the clothing would be minimal. I would give SQ the benefit of the doubt there and say they aren't shipping machines that can't be safely used. Still this is quite an imperfection to find in an expensive new appliance, they need to do better! This is a problem that is similar (and somewhat related) to the black crud in the spin baskets. Their reputation is at stake here. While SQ machines are heavy and solidly built, they are a bit crude and rough around the edges. They don't have the fit and finish of an Asian machine. | ||
| Post# 837413 , Reply# 62 8/20/2015 at 03:52 (3,165 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Grinder
I would hesitate to take action on the seam with a grinder until a call to Speed Queen was made. At the very least, they need to know they have a potential problem in the manufacturing process.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it and continue to use the machine. The agitator is pushing the clothes outward and the burrs are directly in the path. Additionally, the spin drain is going to cause a grating action against anything in contact until the water is pumped away and the load and basket spin together at the same speed. I seriously doubt that this is Alliance cutting corners to boost profit margins. I would suspect a machining step is being skipped. Malcolm | ||
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Post# 837429 , Reply# 63 8/20/2015 at 07:24 (3,165 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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Tub
I would guess it has to do with keeping the cost down on a machine with a great amount of raw material and little profit for SQ in the long run. Years ago material was cheap, today not so much. When you count in the added weight to ship these, then the 20 year life expectancy and the fact few know how to buy a real washer SQ has to stay competitive some way. Its just a guess on my part, however from personnel experience even though the tub looks rough it does not seem to harm clothes. Ive seen agitators to worse.
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Post# 837450 , Reply# 65 8/20/2015 at 10:15 (3,164 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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I would suspect a machining step is being skipped.
If this is the case then their quality control SUCKS!
They know the baskets are going out the door this way... If they don't know, then think of all the actual problems they may be missing inside the transmission etc. I don't disagree with calling Speed Queen and letting them know about it though. I'd still polish the basket myself if it bugged me. Then again I work in a machine shop so it is well within my comfort zone! | ||
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Post# 837473 , Reply# 66 8/20/2015 at 14:17 (3,164 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Cheryl---My Speed Queen had the same grooves near the seam. They looked similar to the ones in the photo posted by Beth Ellen. As Malcolm pointed out, they feel like a Microplane file. The grooves look really bad in the photo you posted, Malcolm.
While they are an eyesore, can't say the grooves ever caused damage to fabrics. Nearly all Speed Queen owners at AW have the top-loader. Wonder if the front-loaders have the same greasy residue and 'grooves' issues? | ||
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Post# 837475 , Reply# 67 8/20/2015 at 14:57 (3,164 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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Eugene,
The SQ front load machines I have stuck my head into look good although I can't comment on the grunge on the new ones. Photo is from the one I have. This was one of the used ones that John got so it was pretty shiny by the time I saw it.
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| Post# 837484 , Reply# 68 8/20/2015 at 16:56 (3,164 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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No grooves | ||
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Post# 837485 , Reply# 69 8/20/2015 at 17:05 (3,164 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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The front load drums are made differently then the top load baskets.
The top loaders have the bottom piece (which I believe is spun) that is welded to the cylindrical formed part of the basket. The nasty scratches we are seeing are where they sanded/ground off the weld flash at the point the two pieces are joined. The front loader drum has flanges formed that are outside the wash area. The welds are outside the drum so they don't have to worry about cleaning up the flash. I don't know if the black grunge is a top loader only thing though. Have never heard of it in a front load machine but as Eugene mentioned, they are less common. | ||
| Post# 837486 , Reply# 70 8/20/2015 at 17:14 (3,164 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Quick question...do the new SP TL'ers with the electronics have full fill and true hot wash like the dial model? And do they have a locking lid? No I'm not in the market for one this is purely out of wanting the knowledge so I can pass it on if ask. Thank you all Cheryl | ||
| Post# 837502 , Reply# 71 8/20/2015 at 18:37 (3,164 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Electronic Models | ||
| Post# 837508 , Reply# 72 8/20/2015 at 19:22 (3,164 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Thank you Malcolm. | ||
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