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Post# 837439   8/20/2015 at 08:23 (3,170 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Pretty neat! I would be cool if the jet was used for a spray rinse - but I guess LG wouldn't be too thrilled about that.








Post# 837455 , Reply# 1   8/20/2015 at 11:07 (3,169 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Neat...

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Why does it do that little giggle before changing direction?

Post# 837463 , Reply# 2   8/20/2015 at 12:09 (3,169 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Why does it do that little giggle

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Because it's happy--duhh

Post# 837464 , Reply# 3   8/20/2015 at 12:31 (3,169 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

The pump sounds completely different compared to my Whirlpool WFW72HEDW, but the rest, mine behaves exactly like the video including the giggle (LOL). The spray though is nice and looks very effective. Wish they did use it as a spray rinse during the final spin...

Post# 837468 , Reply# 4   8/20/2015 at 12:48 (3,169 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

This jiggle is typical for those direct drives. As far as I know, this is the motor calibrating into a certain position.

Post# 837472 , Reply# 5   8/20/2015 at 14:08 (3,169 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Yes, the motor is positioning itself. Some of these induction motors do this, some don't - regardless of whether it's a Direct Drive or with a belt. Current Bosch washers (with belt) also do The Jiggle.

Post# 837476 , Reply# 6   8/20/2015 at 15:05 (3,169 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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The term for the motor movement is "cogging". This happens when poles of the motor align with one another when the phases of the motor are energized.

Once the motor is locked up then they pulse the phases to get the drum to turn. It seems as if they have to release the power from the phases when they do a reversal.


Post# 837482 , Reply# 7   8/20/2015 at 16:16 (3,169 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Thanks for explaining!

Post# 837514 , Reply# 8   8/20/2015 at 20:18 (3,169 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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My original DD WP WFW97 does things differently.  If it's not balanced properly, then it stops and tumbles back and forth and then tries a distribution spin.  All that time the pump is going on and off and on and off.  Once it's ok, then it will begin to ramp up spinning.  Mine also tumbles back and forth during draining.  For the final spin it ramps up to about medium for a minute and then stops and tumbles back and forth again for about two minutes and then begins attempting to balance again and then goes into final spin. Mine slows down to distribution spin speed and begins filling for rinses and does that for about a minute before it stops and goes into tumble mode.   I didn't watch the entire wash cycle, fast forwarded to it to get to the rinses.  I guess the recirculating spray didn't come on again during the wash.  I was disappointed it didn't do recirculating spray during the last rinse, only the interim rinse.  I also like that it continues to do a distribute spin and slow slightly to let some fabrics fall and redistribute.  Mine just stops and begins tumbling back and forth all over again.  This is an improvement.  Probably cuts 20 minutes off my cycle times.  But I wonder if the supplemental heater came on at all during wash.  Initial time was 1:20, but cycle didn't last that long.  That's what you get for not using fabric softener--plastered fabrics on the drum even with the fluff minute. 


Post# 837523 , Reply# 9   8/20/2015 at 21:36 (3,169 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
No recirculation

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The Active Spray is just a fresh water fill, either with or without liquid detergent added.


Post# 837548 , Reply# 10   8/21/2015 at 00:22 (3,169 days old) by A440 ()        

There is no recirculate of water at all in this machine.  I don't think that is an issue since the material is wet and tumbling into somewhat of a puddle. 

I do like the aggressive tumble of this washer for the load of towels.  I also like the balance system for the spins.  Finally Whirlpool has got it right with the distribute of spins....but direct drive motors are the reason why.

I am disappointed there is no spray of water while costing down from a spin while filling for the next cycle.  This was Whirlpool's "catalyst" cleaning.  It is very effective.  Also disappointed there is no spray rinse during at least one of the spins. 

The other huge disappointment of this machine is the price!  "Built in the USA Cost More".  The cheapest I have found this in the "stores" is $1,400.  The Max was $1,600. Just for the WASHER!  You can get the top of the line LG or Samsung SET for much less than the cost of just the washer.  And argue as much as you want....the LG and Samsung machines are just as good...if not better when it comes to cycles and cleaning that Whirlpool has to offer. 

Don't get me wrong.....I do like this Duet here in the video.  I just don't understand a few options that are being left out....not to mention the price.

B

 


Post# 837665 , Reply# 11   8/21/2015 at 16:44 (3,168 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I don't understand how direct drive motors have contributed to getting the spin distribution correct.  How is this different than a belt drive model balancing a load and spinning without imbalance?


Post# 837671 , Reply# 12   8/21/2015 at 17:36 (3,168 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Those DDs have a pretty damn impressive data sheet (at least what I got into my fingers, but I just can't find the doc anymore right now).

The torque they can provide is beyond normal. A BD would - for example - wear out its belt on some distribution maneuvers these can carry out.
They are pretty precise in terms of speed control. Seriously, they are precise.
And, they can sense OOB loads better then any BD version.


Not sure if they make balancing much easier, but you can have way more fun with these creating a balancing routine.



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