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Post# 837808   8/22/2015 at 21:43 (3,141 days old) by Patrice ()        

I have been looking at this site (via mobile only) for a few days and have found a lot of great info! You all know your stuff! I am hoping that I can get a recommendation.

Looking for a washer and dryer recommendation:

Family of 6 (4 kids, cloth diapers = need water and a machine that doesn't recycle rinse water)
Septic/well water
Living on a farm (lots of dirt, way out so hard for repair man to get to in a timely manner, etc)
Husband wants FL, I prefer TL (because our last crap FL was CRAP! :) So I can be swayed)
Would like a delay timer
budget is $2,000 for the pair.

Seems speed queen is highly recommended-- would a certain model be better than another? What others should I consider.

Thank you for any help! :)





Post# 837811 , Reply# 1   8/22/2015 at 22:13 (3,141 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Hi Patrice, my new Speed Queen is a week old today its the AWN432 top loader, and I love it. The tub size at first concerned me 3.3 cf, but wow it really does hold a lot and I have a large family. Everything washes clean, although I always soak whites overnight so I can't say how clean those would come with a normal wash time, but everything else including a dirty stinky load of gardening clothes came out clean and fresh. The speed queen will give you a full fill for wash and rinse and it uses true hot water, not dubbed down to warm.there's no locking lid. You can shut the washer to do soaks, do mothers still soak cloth diapers? My vote goes to Speed Queen. You will get some great advice here, and you can trust they will stear you in the right direction in your search. Good luck Cheryl

Post# 837813 , Reply# 2   8/22/2015 at 22:27 (3,141 days old) by Patrice ()        
Budget is not set in stone....

We would be willing to pay more for the washer if it makes sense, so our budget is flexible :)

Thanks, Cheryl! Yes, I soak my diapers and would LOVE a true hot wash. I need to do more research on the sizes and what size loads can be washed. There is no laundry mat anywhere close to the farm, soI hope to get a machine that's large enough to handle my king sized blankets. (I have no big comforters bc I know they can't be washed in a home machine!).


Post# 837818 , Reply# 3   8/22/2015 at 23:36 (3,141 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

If you can afford it, I would look into a front load Speed Queen set. That would definitely get you everything you want and the reduced water consumption would be easier on your septic system. Otherwise a TL SQ washer should fulfill your needs.
I'm not really sure if I would consider any other brands, especially if you like longevity.


Post# 837837 , Reply# 4   8/23/2015 at 08:25 (3,140 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Yup, the Speed Queen FL would be a good choice. You could pair it with a basic but rugged Whirlpool (Kenmore, Maytag etc.) dryer for budget friendliness.

Post# 837838 , Reply# 5   8/23/2015 at 08:59 (3,140 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Tankless water heater

Not sure about your hot water situation, but as you have to deal with verry heavy stains and have to get a certain hygenic standard with the diapers, a FL like the SQ without heater could eventualy have a problem if your water heater is far away.

Basicly, as this washer uses less water, the problem of cold water sitting in pipes could proof as bigger issue then with a TL.

There are 3 basic ways to compensate for that:
1. Run certain loads of heavy soiled items through a warm prewash. You'd set it on a warm wash, let it fill and tumble a bit, then set it to drain and spin and then start the main wash with hot water. Wouldn't actually waste hot water, but compensate the cold water issue.
2. Start the empty machine on a hot wash, then drain it after the fill. Reduces detergent usage, saves a bit of work time, but wastes a few gallons of water.
3. Get a tankless water heater installed right at your washer. This way, you don't have to bother about anything, you could use it with the delay timer and you could even get washes at 140° and beyond while keeping your house water at a safe temperature for your children. Of corse, instalation and unit will cost some as well.

But these measures are just theoretical if you notice that water is just not hot enough.




On the dryer topic: If your dryer still works to your satisfaction, even if it was paired with your dreaded FL (Which FL did you have by the way?), you could just keep it.
I know most people in the US somehow don't like the idea of non matching sets, but in most cases, non-matching of washer and dryer have even the advantage of either safeing money, getting a way better setup for your situation (just because the SQ washer fits you perfect, I guess a nother dryer like those cheaper WP dryers would suit you just fine) or even both.


Post# 837840 , Reply# 6   8/23/2015 at 09:07 (3,140 days old) by oldskool (Kansas City, MO)        
Speed Queen

either top load or front load - can't go wrong.

I have the SQ top load; recent model; not top of the line, but more than adequate; King size blankets and quilts; no problem. Great cleaning and built to last. Queen and lesser size comforters; no problem; king size mattress pads also, no problem. The SQ front load I'm sure is equally durable, just don't have experience with them as I prefer more water - yes I'm one of the water non-conformists whom the government doesn't like, so sorry, I'll join a support group until I can do better.

John


Post# 837854 , Reply# 7   8/23/2015 at 11:43 (3,140 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

I would consider a SQ frontloader for most of your laundry. If you have a working dryer, I would use it up. You might consider a inexpensive TL machine from whirlpool for heavily soiled work clothes and soaking diapers.  Even a used one, or continue with the TL you have.  Having the FL SQ in the lineup would save your well and septic system the brunt of most of the water.   I always like the cost effective route.smile


Post# 837856 , Reply# 8   8/23/2015 at 11:49 (3,140 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Oldskool, I'm in line behind you about the support group lol
Patrice, I remember the diaper washing days, they do require lots of hot water..I'm wondering if you went with a FL would you get enough water, also diaper rinsing is of concern, since diapers require excellent rinsing. I hear a lot of talk about FL'ers not rinsing well, but I can't say they are all like that.


Post# 837857 , Reply# 9   8/23/2015 at 11:50 (3,140 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

I have a Speed Queen, worth every cent and time and effort to find. Clothes come out clean first time around and soap is rinsed out. I care for an elderly parent, so it was important to me to get any soap reside out, so I needed a washer that uses water. Warranties on the Queen blow everyone, and I mean everyone, out of the water. Exceptional machine. I have model 432.

Post# 837862 , Reply# 10   8/23/2015 at 12:24 (3,140 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        

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I was going to say like alr, that 2 washers might work best for you, but I was going to say the SQ top loader and an inexpensive front loader for the comforters.

Oh, and be sure to do Family Planning, that will help keep the laundry from being any more!


Post# 837867 , Reply# 11   8/23/2015 at 12:48 (3,140 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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well that one was from the horses mouth, but don't see that as a great impact on laundry, I swear I get more laundry from three kids than when I had ten....


later down the road, consider gray water setup for things like the washer and kitchen sink, it will save your septic a lot....

cycle times may be a factor to keep in the back of your head.....the TL with do a load in about 40 minutes, the FL will require just over an hour.....but granted too, the FL will hold twice as much.....

I am all game for two washers, more if space allows, as noted in some of our collections, but even something simple as a wringer would help with soaking things like diapers or rugged work gear.....


Post# 837883 , Reply# 12   8/23/2015 at 15:38 (3,140 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Pat, have you considered duvet covers for your comforters, a king duvet would fit in the SQ and than you could get by with going to a laundry every 3 months. I just strip mine off weekly to wash, and I made 2 for the grandboys beds out of sheets, rather crudely made lol but I love them. Just a thought.

Post# 837884 , Reply# 13   8/23/2015 at 15:39 (3,140 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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If your on a well and have a septic system as well, I would not get a top loader like the Speed Queen. Granted they do a load rather quickly but your water pump will be in use quite a bit not to mention the water being dumped into your septic system. I have an LG 3570 front loader that I love and has the capacity you seek and also has a water heater...something the SQ front loader does not have. The washer also has a steam feature as well as a Sanitary cycle that is designed for things like diapers. This front loader rinses well and on Cotton/Normal cycle , times are right about equal to a top loader. The washer uses TurboWash which has two jets in the front and an overload jet to spray rinse the load.
LG front load machines are also rated well in Consumer Reports, the SQ machines...not so much. And they are reliable. The other thing is price, the LG machines will not break the bank like an SQ front loader can and for what you get for the money, LG is the way to go.
The other thing is that the LG washer door can be propped open to air out between wash days and it will also let you know when its time to be cleaned out. This washer is not shy about using water an it uses that water efficiently. The only thing you will need if you go LG is water hammer arresters since they use a rapid opening and closing of the water valves. It will also heat water if your water temp isn't up to par.
I had an SQ washer and I actually still have the machine in my basement that is off to the side. I have replaced the drive belt once and with a large family, you will go thru belts on this washer in fact it eats them. Replacing the belt is no small feat but it can be done. The belt runs about $22 a pop. No drive belts in an LG washer, since the wash drum is direct drive.
The LG washer also extracts much more water out of the clothes than the SQ top loader. High speed tops out at 1200 rpm, the SQ 710 rpm. The hole pattern on the SQ washer retains water I found. If you want your clothes to last longer and with a large family, thats a huge factor, then again, the LG is the winner here. The SQ top loader will wear the hell out of clothes and cleaning is kinda meh. The LG I can throw stains at this washer and with a good detergent like Persil, it will remove anything and old stains too that have been set in. With kids one has to think about that since they get into anything.


Post# 837902 , Reply# 14   8/23/2015 at 18:29 (3,140 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
SPEED QUEEN

Buy once and buy right!!!

I have a six year old AWN 542 so does my mother and brother!!! No problems whatsoever!! LG IS KOREAN MADE GARBAGE!!!! Oh yeah my ex has an LG which I pissed away money on!!! Mike, please stop bashing SQ washers for you do not know of what you speak!!! No one on this forum has ever had a problem with belts!!! You let your tenant use your washer that was your problem!!!

My advice buy once, spend good money up front, Top Load or Front Load, SPEED QUEEN is the way to go!!! I'd bet money that you'd be happy with them and unhappy with LG!
Mike


Post# 837904 , Reply# 15   8/23/2015 at 18:32 (3,140 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Actually, there were problems, several even, and some of the 5k+ post club even said that they are not the only thing out there that is good.

Post# 837908 , Reply# 16   8/23/2015 at 19:09 (3,140 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Really???

Don't believe me? Google SPEED QUEEN WASHER REVIEWS FOR ANY MODEL and see what customers say!!
Mike


Post# 837914 , Reply# 17   8/23/2015 at 19:39 (3,140 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I know they are good. But we have first hand people who say they have problems as well.

On the other hand, we have people who have pretty good experiences with HE TLs and FLs as well.

And you can't deny that a washer that uses 20+ gallons per load might not be that good on a septic system.
And with a SQ FL clocking in at 1500$ at least, not even haveing a heater which actually might proof as a big advantage here, a LG for half the price might be a acceptable choice as well.


Post# 837916 , Reply# 18   8/23/2015 at 19:46 (3,140 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Normally, I'd recommend a front-loader, especially given your septic system; but if you want to soak diapers, a top-loading Speed Queen is probably your machine.

Mike, LG washers are not junk. Say it as many times as you want followed by as many exclamation points as you want. They are reliable washers that clean well using less water and energy than a Speed Queen top-loader. Everyone I know who has an LG made in the past five years likes it. A number of discerning people here at AW have one and swear by it.





Post# 837920 , Reply# 19   8/23/2015 at 20:21 (3,140 days old) by Patrice ()        

Thank you for all the input. There's some passion behind these washers! ;)

To answer a couple questions,
I don't know what our previous FL was. I know it was the cheapest at best buy when we got approved for their credit card--- you live and learn.
We are not picky about having a matching set. I had just planned to get a matching dryer, but would love a great dryer for less! I do need a new dryer as well.

I've been researching a bit more and you all brought up some good points

I can't overload the septic... the TL SQ might be too much on the septic. While I do need water to soak my diapers, I can use the utility sink for that; making the FL a good option. The hot water won't be an issue. But, I do like the lower price point of the LG.
I'm going to research the LG and see what info I can find (I can hear the collective ".....ahhhh!...")


Post# 837925 , Reply# 20   8/23/2015 at 20:52 (3,140 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
LGs

I think the common opinion is that these are good machines. TurboWash not only cuts down the time, it can help with rinsing as well due to the spray rinsing carried out. And with up to 3 deep extra rinse addable, clear rinsing is assured. Some of them have a prewash option, some even an optional soak.

However, these won't quite last as long as a SQ. Anywhere from 5 years up seems typical life span. Parts are usually not supplied any more after the 10th year. So there are drawbacks as well.


Post# 837926 , Reply# 21   8/23/2015 at 20:55 (3,140 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Well said Eugene in your reply #18. One man's poison may very well be another man's pleasure. I think that it is wonderful the Speed Queen owners are so happy with their washers. However they should consider that others may also be happy with their washers too, for different reasons. Seems like the members of this site would be well served to recognize that others have their own reasons for either liking or not liking their washers. That said, Patrice I think that you could very well use an LG FL for your diapers without needing to also use your utility sink. As I recall in the 50's and 60's before disposables became popular people soaked diapers in a diaper pail with either borax or Lysol. Then they would wash them in hot water, usually with soap flakes or powder. In an LG FL you could put the presoaked diapers in the washer, set for a prewash, then a reg cycle using hot water, add an extra rinse and turbo and you should be good to go. Since you will be washing diapers get an LG with an internal heater, this will insure extra hot water. And while the LG will take a bit longer than a Speed Queen TL, you will be able to wash way more diapers, therby reducing the number of times you'll need to take on this task. Good Luck! And as for a dryer, I own the companion dryer to my LG FL and it is wonderful. There is even an anti bacterial cycle that would be perfect for diapers.



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Post# 837944 , Reply# 22   8/23/2015 at 22:34 (3,140 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

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Post# 837951 , Reply# 23   8/24/2015 at 00:05 (3,140 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

You haven't heard me voice a negitive about any FL'er, even though I'm a old school fan, but I've read many posts refering to fl'ers and issues with rinsing...I was pointing out the importance of excellent rinsing with diapers, can't have chemical residue that close to a babies tender skin. I don't have a fl'er so I have no idea how they rinse, but I'm always reading negativity about it.I've also spoken to die hard fl fans that wish for more water in the rinse.

Post# 837954 , Reply# 24   8/24/2015 at 01:26 (3,140 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Well water + Septic system+kids= Frontload

I am not a hater of FL's when my beloved LA series Tag dies off. I plan to try one,  Here is one other idea Patrice, go to rent a center  and rent a FL for the shortest term possible.   Try it out, put it through the "real life" paces of your household.  Let them pick it up and go buy what is best for your situation.  This is a big investment the rental would be a pittance to the hassle of a wrong decision.  Just a thought.

 


Post# 837998 , Reply# 25   8/24/2015 at 09:47 (3,139 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Air..not a bad idea, I have a friend who manages a Aarons rental store, you can rent for a week or longer until its considered paid off and you than own it, if at anytime you don't want it, well it was a rental so it doesn't affect your credit..they often have first week rental fee free and they deliver.

Post# 838035 , Reply# 26   8/24/2015 at 13:53 (3,139 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Being on a septic system the water saving of a front load machine make a lot of sense. Also load capacity of a front load machine will likely be superior.

You will read a lot of reviews on the Interwebs (also know as the CB on TV) which will state negativity towards front loaders due to a plethora of reasons. Supposedly they don't rinse as well, or that they all get stinky or they don't clean as well. The question is why do some users have great luck with them and won't consider changing from a front loader for their next machine? It's all how they adapt their wash practices to an entirely different machine. Its a bit like using a screwdriver like a hammer and saying it makes a lousy hammer...

Ultimately the choice is yours and it depends on what you expect from your machine. If you want to just do laundry as you always have, buy a SQ top loader which is the best currently available machine if that style. If you are willing to modify your washing habits then you can reap the benefits of a new front load machine.


Post# 838039 , Reply# 27   8/24/2015 at 14:25 (3,139 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

I will tell you true. I am crowding 60 years old now and have used and worked on nearly every kind of washing machine made since automatic washers were around. I personally have always been fascinated with them since I can remember. I have had many through the years and the one's that do the best job and use the least amount of water for the amount of clothes are front loaders. I never had a front loader for my home machine before last year. I bought the biggest load one I could find. It is a Kenmore Elite made by LG. It holds a king size feather comforter that I have to wash sometimes. It is huge! And it has all kinds of cycles. It heats the water to "steam treat" when needed. It also will extra rinse up to 3 times. It does a better job than any machine I have ever used and spins the clothes out so dry it takes little time to dry in the dryer. It also promotes NO lint at all and no wear and tear on your clothes. Only difference is the cycle times, which are quite long compared to old style machines. It sometimes takes a couple of hours or more, but then new dishwashers take that long too these days. I have always loved top load machines, but this machine has changed my mind entirely. Anyone can say what they want, but a top loader just will not do the same job with the savings on water as a front loader.

Post# 838064 , Reply# 28   8/24/2015 at 18:43 (3,139 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Here is my reasoning

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I can't offer an opinion of one machine over another, as most machines on the market are good, as other posters said; the user is what makes the difference.

 

I had a Maytag top loader that I loved, when It was near death I began searching.   Though I am on city water, we have had drout  situations for the last few years.   When I do the Saturday wash--the bedding.   It would take me three loads at 50 gallons of water each load.   Sure the cycle was done in 30 minutes, rinsing still wasn't that good, 

 

With a front loader I am able to wash what was three loads in one load: 2 king sized sheets and 4 pillow cases, 2 full sized sheets and two pillow cases, 2 twin sized sheets and 1 pillow case using approximately 18 gallons of water, taking about 1HR 10 MIN.   rinsing three times and if there were stains I could add a steam treat that would  20 minutes to the cycle.   

 

Another thing I discovered, dingy clothes were bright again,.  Pit stains were gone, and the clothes came out on high speed spin practically dry. 

 

Would I buy another front loader?  You betcha.

 

Honestly if you were to go with a top loader, Speed Queen would be about the only choice.   If you went with a front loader, there are many on the market, and with exception for a few you will more than likely get good service out of it. 


Post# 838075 , Reply# 29   8/24/2015 at 19:53 (3,139 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Wow!!! Someone who finally has some sense!!! I was beginning to think I was the only one. I have had nearly every kind of top load washer there is. I loved some of them because of the novelty of the way they washed. Most of them did at least a decent job on whatever I washed. The last set I had was a '90's set of Maytag's. They were very good machines that washed well, when you didn't overload them and rinsed adequately. I always used the 2nd rinse option. They wasted a LOT of water though. This LG made washer & dryer I have now will wash 3 sets of king size sheets with ease. I do have to split them up for drying just because they tend to ball up. But the washer extracts them so dry that it takes just a few minutes if I dry them set by set. The washer I have will rinse 3 additional times, if you want it to. The performance of these is just no comparison to anything else I have ever used. And I no longer have to take ANYTHING to the laundromat because it is too big to wash in my home machine. I'd say that was a GIANT plus!!! Samsung is even making a set that is a little bit bigger still, than the set I bought. I would NEVER have believed I would change over to a front load washer, but I have now. They are far more energy efficient and do a better job at washing and rinsing than a top load machine. Even the sacred speed queen washer pales in comparison and it uses far far more water. It also beats the clothes to get them clean instead of dropping them in the water. Your clothes will last way way longer along with towels and sheets. And there is virtually NO lint at all!!! You will find that out when you dry things. Even my Maytag set promoted lint. BTW, my old Maytag set found it's way to a friend's home that uses it everyday still. They were built to last. I will admit that for sure. The front load cycle is a LOT longer, but if you can do 3 loads in one, who cares?

Post# 838082 , Reply# 30   8/24/2015 at 20:23 (3,139 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Sorry but.......

LG and Samsung are Korean made garbage!!!!
No quality control measures in their factories and 5 year life spans, while we're at it, exploding top loaders.

I get the financial aspect, I really do. If you're going to buy a new washer buy AMERICAN.....
Whirlpool/Maytag or General Electric but for Pete Sakes don't buy a made in Korea product!!
Mike

PS two LG washers in five to seven years is the cost (if not more) of one SPEED QUEEN washer now!!


Post# 838098 , Reply# 31   8/24/2015 at 22:48 (3,139 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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Dear Patrice,
If you have to get a top loading machine, I highly recommend the LG Model WT1101CW. I've had and used mine almost six months and not one issue of any flaws or breakage. It is an HE machine and senses the right amount of water to use. No guessing of what to set the water level to. 4.7 cu ft. capacity, high speed 1100 rpm spins,all stainless steel tub and impeller,see through glass ,slamless,hydrowave lid, and gets my clothes so clean!!!!!!! Uses less water giving the option of either deep or shallow rinses. That depends on whether you're using fabric softener or not.. There's also a recirculating spray that getsactivated when not using the "Fabric Softener" option to spray the load as the drum revolvrs and the pump drains out the dirty rinse water until it's crystal clear. Amazing how great this unit is in getting HUGE loads clean and well spun out.Short cycle options and extremely quiet operation. Ten year long motor warranty. Direct Drive. No pullys,no gears,no belts. Just a flat , reversing, quiet, DC motor and a 1/4 hp pump. It has.yet to oversuds and has.only not spun fully once when I had a 9'X 18" runner in it. After.I redistributed and restarted the final spin,it finished the cycle. No backsplash. The controls are up front right where the lid handle is. Just flat in front at counter . Easy to see and read. Hope you find your dream machine!!!


Post# 838110 , Reply# 32   8/25/2015 at 00:53 (3,139 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Well I'll add my comments...  After many, many years with top loaders I'm a total convert to front loaders.  I would never go back - especially to a wash plate.  I think the only reason that absurdity exists is to placate people who can't accept change.  The action of a FL is much better than trying to swish clothes through a puddle of water.  Lifting and dropping them through a similar amount of water does a much better job.

 

As to brands my machine of choice is the LG, especially the models with Tubo wash.  Does a fantastic job.


Post# 838142 , Reply# 33   8/25/2015 at 07:44 (3,138 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Yes, I should have added

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Since I was washing essentially three loads in one, saving approximately 120 gallons of water, the 1:10 wash time was actually shorter than the three wash cycles it would have taken to do this much wash in a conventional top loader.

I have a Maytag/Whirlpool BTW. Though I do shy away from the Korean machines, the May-pool is actually built in Germany, and the dryer in U.S.


Post# 838170 , Reply# 34   8/25/2015 at 09:47 (3,138 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

As you can see, everyone has their own opinion. The fact is, that top load washers are becoming a thing of the past. Only change resistant people want to keep buying top load machines. The speed queen top loader is the closest thing you can find to an old time washer that fills totally up when water saving was not such an issue and wasting water was no big deal. I really don't know the longevity of LG or speed queen machines, but I believe that how you use and take care of them has a great deal to do with it. I do know that when Amana bought speed queen they made very problematic machines that I used to see in the junkyard all the time in the 80's and 90's. I don't know if they have improved them since then or if quality has just gone down so far that they seem good now. As far as only buying American made stuff, I have long since quit trying to do that. Toyota & Honda are the best cars around and have fewer problems and last longer. Chrysler, GM and Ford don't even come close in comparison. Same thing seems to be so in appliances now too.
Why spend nearly twice what you would just to get something made in the USA? And usually it is inferior to what you would get with another brand. Just doesn't make sense.


Post# 838178 , Reply# 35   8/25/2015 at 10:25 (3,138 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Wasn't it Raytheon who owned Speed Queen while they still owned Amana?

Anyways,

I guess I would have to say that I'd recommend an LG with turbowash as well.

I understand not wanting the recirculating spray but that is an option that is enabled on demand.

The recirculating spray is driven off of a pump attached to the drain pump. When the spray stops, the water empties back into the tub. The water is filtered through the same screen that is in the pump to keep it from clogging.

From what I've seen, you aren't really washing physically soiled diapers, just diapers that have soaked in whatever solution first to break down the soil. You would have the option to do NSF sani-temps.

The only thing I've really noticed missing from most FL machines is a soak. The Whirlpool Duets have an 8 hour soak option, they also have a recirculating spray but the LG's have a better wash motion. If the LG's had an extended soak option they would really fit the needs of a lot of customers.

With these eco machines, a recirculating spray and heating element really makes a better performing machine. They are tumbled in a constant spray of soapy water then during the rinse they are tumbled in a constant spray of rinse water as well as fresh water depending on the rinse option.

I'll be the first one to admit that I am against Samsung washers... But with my digging on this forum, gardenweb and from seeing our service logs, LG makes a pretty reliable washer. These machines will give a good life if taken care of. A lot of our logs are showing that the average life cycle is around 10 years of useage with minor service calls. The biggest thing is don't use a ton of fabric softener, always run at least one hot wash a week, leave the door propped open when not in use and wipe the lint/pet hair/what-have-you from the seals when they are moist. The new LG's have a magnet that pops out from the bottom of the door to leave the door ajar for airflow.

I guess this rambling is my two cents, but even with all of the brands we sell, I'd go with an LG turbowash pair.


Post# 838186 , Reply# 36   8/25/2015 at 10:47 (3,138 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Time will tell I guess, my LG made Kenmore set is very nice and holds a huge load. Too soon to tell how long they will last, but in the first year I have had no problems at all and been very happy with them. I don't really know who owned speed queen when they started making the perforated tub model washers. I did work on washers and dryers back then and remember that they had a big problem with the main tub seal failing in the first few years of the machine's life. There were other problems with the belts and some with the pump as well. Even when speed queen was making the last solid tub home machine models there were many problems with the clutch that engaged the agitation and spin on the reversing motor models. The commercial model solid tub washers where unchanged up until about '79 and still had the single direction motor with the large solenoids for agitate and spin. Those models were the most reliable, long lasting work horses ever made. They would go on and on like the energizer bunny! Nearly every laundromat around was Speed Queen back then. The speed queen machines of today are similar to the ones made back in the '80's and '90's. I know the transmission looks the same and the basic design is the same as it was. Hopefully they have made some changes to improve the reliability of them now. I don't know, but the basic design looks much the same.

Post# 838200 , Reply# 37   8/25/2015 at 12:10 (3,138 days old) by mr_b ()        

The new Speed Queen front load washers are a quantum leap over their predecessors. They are larger and offer more options and wash cycles including a pre-wash and soak cycles in addition to having a 5 year warranty on parts and labor. Most other companies including LG only offer a 1 year warranty. What ever Speed Queens were in the 80's and 90's, twenty-five to thirty-five years later they are a totally new breed of washer rated for over 10,000 loads where as most washers today are only rated for 2500 wash loads. LG makes excellent washers and offers more cycles, including the ability to heat water but as far as longevity goes Speed Queen and maybe Miele are in a league of their own. If you need to wash with water hotter than that which comes from the tap, get a front load LG. If you only need tap hot water get the Speed Queen. It will last longer.

Post# 838316 , Reply# 38   8/26/2015 at 07:41 (3,137 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Best Washer For Heavy Family Use.

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Speed Queen Front Load machine hands down, nothing else meets your requested requirements.

 

It is very durable and should last 25-50 years.

 

It is easy for you or your husband to work on, or repair personnel, NO OTHER FL WASHER IS ANYWHERE NEAR AS EASY TO REPAIR, you can even do a main bearing job on a SQFL washer without special tools in just an hour or two.

 

The LG and Samsung junk you will be lucky if you can even get parts for these in just a few years let alone ten years. And if you do not repair your own appliances call your local company and ask them how they feel about working on this Korean- Chinese machines, [ many of the SS, and LG laundry appliances are now made in China ].

A customer and I are currently fighting with Samsung over a 2 1/2 YO SS DW, the control panel is NLA and the DW cost over $1000 installed from Home Depot, currently it looks like the customer will file suit against HD for selling a non-repairable product as SS is just saying tough luck, life is too busy for this type of buls..t service. Yet another customer that will NEVER but a Korean appliance again, we literally have people begging us to help them with this junk EVERYDAY.

 

 

Buying a SQFL washer is like buying a Kitchenaid stand mixer if you like to cook, either one of these appliances will last most of your lifetime and either are designed to be repaired if and when needed.

 

John L.


Post# 838337 , Reply# 39   8/26/2015 at 10:13 (3,137 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Speed Queen Front Load machine hands down, nothing else meets your requested requirements.

 

It is very durable and should last 25-50 years.

 

It is easy for you or your husband to work on, or repair personnel, NO OTHER FL WASHER IS ANYWHERE NEAR AS EASY TO REPAIR, you can even do a main bearing job on a SQFL washer without special tools in just an hour or two.

 

The LG and Samsung junk you will be lucky if you can even get parts for these in just a few years let alone ten years. And if you do not repair your own appliances call your local company and ask them how they feel about working on this Korean- Chinese machines, [ many of the SS, and LG laundry appliances are now made in China ].

A customer and I are currently fighting with Samsung over a 2 1/2 YO SS DW, the control panel is NLA and the DW cost over $1000 installed from Home Depot, currently it looks like the customer will file suit against HD for selling a non-repairable product as SS is just saying tough luck, life is too busy for this type of buls..t service. Yet another customer that will NEVER but a Korean appliance again, we literally have people begging us to help them with this junk EVERYDAY.

 

 

Buying a SQFL washer is like buying a Kitchenaid stand mixer if you like to cook, either one of these appliances will last most of your lifetime and either are designed to be repaired if and when needed.

 

John L.


Post# 838339 , Reply# 40   8/26/2015 at 10:36 (3,137 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

When I recently bought my SQ AWN432, the dealer told me Sears keeps asking him to service SS&LG's but he has refused as parts are almost impossible to get. He said he can't keep SPqueens in stock and its amazing how many people are tossing their samsungs and lg's and are buying speed queens.

Post# 838343 , Reply# 41   8/26/2015 at 11:13 (3,137 days old) by dave886 (united kingdom)        

Patrice if i where you, i would get a LG front loader, Look for the top of line model with the turbo wash and steam function, for the cloth diapers, comforter/big items, heavy soiled items, In the uk i own this model F1495KDS.

I haven't looked back at the 5 different washers i've own in the past, I've notice a big difference within the freshness & stain removal of in my laundry, my family have sensitive skin, since i i've had this machine, they hardly ever get skin rashes due to the allergy function and variable rinse option, i rarely ever have to use a pre treat on tough stains due to 6 motion drum. I always use pre wash & intensive option for large load such as whites & towels, comforters, that just a personal preference for me with large loads, Yes it true, these machine have been said to have a life span up to 5yrs. But Lg uk actually gave me a 5yr repair & parts warranty which cover faults with the machine, such as electronic, bearings, rubber seals etc... including the 10yr warranty on the direct drive.

I wish you all the best & i hope you find the right washer, to suit your needs


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Post# 838358 , Reply# 42   8/26/2015 at 12:55 (3,137 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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You have to be authorized to service Samsung and LG to get parts from either company. If a service center isn't authorized, they aren't going to get parts as neither companies use third party distribution.

I would say we sell more LG units than we do Speed Queen front load. That is entirely on the fact that the sales reps aren't educated on the advantages of Speed Queen.

In this scenario I would STILL recommend the TurboWash FL machines from LG even though I sell most brands.

Also, there are not a lot of mechanical issues we have with LG. The most common issue we have a call for is after a big storm people call about their washers not working. Surges can affect any electronic device that is plugged in.

Also, regardless of what you go with, buy from the dealer you want doing the service. Big Box stores sell different products from what the dealer sells, big box stores also don't have their own service. The last bit, A dealer doesn't have to service a product you have if you didn't purchase it from them. They won't tell you no, but you'll get booked 3 months out. You will always have priority service when you buy from your servicing dealer.


Post# 838402 , Reply# 43   8/26/2015 at 19:37 (3,137 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Time for me to jump in the wash since the water is warm!

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So you have a large family?
OK!
You are on septic?
Yes, great!

What is the largest bedding in your house?

Is your current dryer working?
If it is, no need to upgrade unless the units are in view like off the kitchen, family room or under 7.3 cf!

Some things are often overlooked and the little things makes a huge difference!
I've own the Electrolux Wave Touch since 2009 and by far it's the best machine I've used in my life!
So far no repairs and only once the machine did not spin a load because it could not balance which was about 2 or 3 weeks ago!

Now keep in mind that the drum tilts 10* towards the rear so keys, coins, toys will stay in the drum without getting caught between tub jamming the pump!
Water temperature is flexible and most normal soil wash loads can be done in 1 hour 10 minuets give or take!
The newer Wave Touch machine has steam and add more water button but it's not needed if you use the right amount of detergent and cycle according to soil level and load size!

I'm not going to debate what MFG the best but the link below will let you see the difference between TL and FL when I got my Electrolux.

Here's a video I've posted how a shirt goes from front to rear of the tub:






Good luck on your purchase!


CLICK HERE TO GO TO cleanteamofny's LINK


Post# 838412 , Reply# 44   8/26/2015 at 20:17 (3,137 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Tilted Tub In A FL Washer

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While a tilted tub in a FL washer will probably prevent SOME items from going over the lip at the front of the tub and getting in the trap or water pump, it is far from a guarantee that it won't happen. In our appliance service business we still pull plenty of foreign objects from traps in Maytag Neptune's and WP Duets, both of which have slanted tubs.

 

The one thing that a slanted tub does guarantee is tangling and poorer washing performance, all the way back to the early Westinghouse Slant-Front washers onward having a slanted wash basket has caused performance problems.

 

Also Frigidaire is absolutely the WORST FL washer on the market when you get stuff caught in the sump and water pump. Not only do they not have a way to clean out foreign objects from the front of the washer they have no easily cleanable trap at all even after you pull the whole machine out of its installed position, take the back off and tilt a machine filled with dirty water 45 degrees and start taking the sump hose off the outer tub and water pump. We have started cutting a 4 1/2" hole in the lower front of FD FL washers that have blocked pumps to remove the crap from the sump and water pump. It is still not easy as there is no clean-out.

 

We are finding that higher end Frigidaire appliances are having lots of problems, whether you are talking wall-ovens, cook-tops, gas electric, or induction, SXS and french door bottom refs, high end electric gas and electric free standing ranges are nothing but lemons in many cases. Their DWs and fancy OTR microwaves are also way to troublesome.

 

If you buy any FD appliances stay with the basic models and don't count on them lasting a really long time.

 

In this sense I was hoping that FDs buyout of GEs appliance division would go through and FD would just close all their factories and continue building GE appliances and put the FD name on them, But I know that will not happen.

 

John L.


Post# 838420 , Reply# 45   8/26/2015 at 21:04 (3,137 days old) by A440 ()        
What source are you guys using to look for parts?

I am starting to think that all this talk about LG and Samsung parts not being available is urban legend. SEARS has just about any part you need for LG and Samsung. And the parts are a very good price. Also FOX parts here in Atlanta has just about any part or can get any part for any LG / Samsung made product. In Fact when the drain pump went out on my HE3T I went to Fox Parts in Atlanta. The part guy recommended to me to get the LG Drain pump that is made by Zenith because it was a much better motor than the original that was on my machine. He brought them both out and I picked the LG because it looked like better built and the motor was larger. It was also about $20 cheaper. It has worked fine and is much quieter than the original pump.

Also....all this talk about the new Whirlpool Duet's with the "recirculate" spray. Can someone give the model numbers that have this feature? No machine that I have found lately has this feature.

B


Post# 838424 , Reply# 46   8/26/2015 at 21:48 (3,137 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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None of Whirlpool's front loaders recirculate the water - there's only a cone-shaped fresh-water spray (mixed with detergent during the wash) that probably looks like a recirculation jet.

Post# 838440 , Reply# 47   8/26/2015 at 23:38 (3,137 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

There certainly is a lot of "hate" here.  Speed Queens are nice, I would not buy one because of the price, but if it fits your budget, fine.  All the talk about repairs is meaningless as most people will call for service.  I can and have swapped out the bearings on Whirlpool FL machine in about 90 minutes, nothing special about that.

 

I don't hate any machine, my educated suggestion is LG with turbo wash.  Price and performance hit the sweet spot IMO.


Post# 838448 , Reply# 48   8/27/2015 at 01:06 (3,137 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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The rep said the power wash cycle on the duets/maximas was a recirculating spray. I haven't taken a machine a part to confirm, but the spray patterns are different when the machines are running on those two cycles.... Is that not a recalculating spray that kicks on for a good portion of the cycle? The new top loaders do it as well.

Post# 838449 , Reply# 49   8/27/2015 at 01:17 (3,137 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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My apologies. I just looked through Whirlpool's Sales Academy.. It seems my rep mis-informed me about what the sprays were doing. :/

Post# 838451 , Reply# 50   8/27/2015 at 03:57 (3,136 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Every machine has it quirks in problems and yes there is a learning curve to get the best bang for your buck!
Since I've own the Wavetouch washer for several years, tangling has not been an issue!
Washing performance is outstanding because of the multi-speed tumble action with the right amount of detergent and water temps will get the job done!
A tilted tub will keep coins, pens and other odd objects towards the rear of the tub and not towards the front like true horizontal washer for I've washed more or less $10.00's worth of that shiny metals over the years. As long as we don't overload the machine, chances of anything getting caught between gasket is next to nil. There is a tub guard near the 11:00 mark to push items away from the gasket back into the tub before it ramps up for the spin cycle. So don't let this dissuade looking into this brand or any brand with a tilted tub.

Being a fellow ex Garden Web and Opinion member, I've seen enough consumers go out to get the latest brand because XYZ said its will out shine your boots like no other and then BAM, at the three year mark, multiple machines failure begin to happens!
FrigGeMore's was known for bearing and spider failure, Kenmore/Whirlpool Calypso was known for U-joint/pump failure with the dreaded electronic control panel codes, Neptune's for mold and door lock failure, the mighty Miele with electronic control panel failure with struts and pump issues, LG for door leaks and excessive shaking, Samsung not using enough water to wash and rinse properly, the Electrolux IQ and Wavetouch had three minor issues that the gasket shed when a load was too heavy during the spin cycle, main wash detergent gets dispensed during the prewash cycle due to long slow A.T.C. prewash fills and on some models the door may rattle.

I think I've read enough consumers reviews from Sears, Home Depot, A.J Madison, Loews, Garden Web, Opinions and Consumers Report's to see what shine and what to stay away from and I've based my judgement on facts from multiple sources and several YouTube videos!

Just be real with what you read and don't fall in line with those who beat the drum the loudest!


Post# 838474 , Reply# 51   8/27/2015 at 07:38 (3,136 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Lots of Good information Larry

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But when someone comes to me and asks for a highly durable no nonsense washer for a big family that doesn't use too much water the SQ FLer is the clear winner. 

 

The SQ FL washer is the ONLY commercial grade washer available to the general public, it has an unsurpassed warranty that would bankrupt most other companies if they dared offer it on their machines.

 

Eleven years ago my Brother Jeff [ who started this business 35 years ago with me ] said he was going to a dealer in Ohio to buy a new SQ FL washer, to which I responded " are you crazy " why would spend your after tax income on a new washer when we have virtually every type of washer made for the last 40 years coming out of our ears.

 

Well he bought the new SQ and after I looked at it I bought my first new washer ever within the next year.

 

For people that actually work on appliances it is built like NOTHING else is today.

 

When my dog became old and incontinent I had to keep her in the kitchen area during the day to keep her off the wood floors and oriental rugs. Every day for the better part of one year I came home and put 5 thick cotton rubber backed rugs [ 30"X40"]  in the SQ washer, and day after day they came out in less than 40 minutes perfectly clean.

 

And now after 10 years the machine has never missed a beat, I still like putting my head inside and taking a deep breath of the clean-new washer smell that this machine still has and always likely will have.

 

Most of the washer enthusiasts on this site do not have big families, we like our gadget laden machines, my self included [ I never have less than 5 washers hooked up and ready to wash clothing ] But if you actually work on washers and dryers every day like I do there is a huge difference. Yesterday I looked a a 1994 Amana [ SQ ] dryer that would not start, the lady said she loved this dryer and hopped it could be fixed. It had had a LOT of use and it did have a bad motor, and in 30 minutes time I replaced the motor, right rear drum roller and belt for a total service cost of $252.00 without even moving the dryer away from the wall.

 

This type of service is not possible even on a new LG, SS, Frigidaire, or GE dryer today, and SQ dryers are less expensive to buy than most of the other brands of dryers listed above.

 

 


Post# 838486 , Reply# 52   8/27/2015 at 09:33 (3,136 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Sometimes, I'm surprised

I just had a thought about something:

You see, set aside that for an SQ pair you get 2-3 LG pairs today, that the SQ does not have a heater, and focus only on longlivety:

Is durability like the SQ has even such a "good" thing?

See how laundry has been done 25-50 years ago, and compare it to today. Changed a lot, didn't it?
And given how fast technology advances today, who says that SQ might not be outdated within the next 20 years?
Given a family situation, in 10 years, laundy will have changed completly. More, but less soiled laundry, maybe. Or a second person working on the farm.
And, again, seeing that recycling of metals etc. gets more and more common, maybe buying a new washer every 5-10 years might be a better option.


That dosen't mean the SQ is a bad option. Or that short lived washers don't suck. But really, the ONLY argument for the SQ against its competitors is its durability (including servicing, parts etc.), and maybe, only MAYBE this will turn out not even to be such an advantage for a family.



Post# 838600 , Reply# 53   8/28/2015 at 16:22 (3,135 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        
Good poimt Henene4..

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but there is another view that says you may get 10yrs from your LG et al or you may be less lucky and get much less. And aside from possible warranty extensions, you still have to hassle with it all again.
And that thought is why i went with SQ.
I would go so far as to say EXPECT continious wash tech revisions to keep people buying something that was essentially perfected years ago much to the chagrin of the industry. It's why you see consolidation going on, like the tire industry before, who bettered their product too far for the desired/expected profitability margin.
So perhaps, different strocks for different folks as it were, but good observation.


Post# 838617 , Reply# 54   8/28/2015 at 21:59 (3,135 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Wow! Information overload yet, Patrice?

having grown up with septic systems, I'd think about that first.
How old is it?
Any problems? Needed to have it pumped (hope not)
Is it easy to expand or to run an overflow line from the main box to an area not in use as a leeching field?

If it's over 20 years old or if there've been any problems I'd think seriously about a FL to lighten the load on the system.

Also, It seems to me that many negative reviews of washers contain word choices that suggest that the dissatisfied customer either had inappropriate expectations and/or didn't know how to use the machine properly. Whatever machine you do buy, please do yourself a favour and read the manual so you know how to use it.

If your current machines are in good shape I'd keep both and buy a FL. Whatever FL you buy, make sure you have the option of overriding the program to add extra rinses. While I prefer Speed Queen, I honestly think with a family of 6 you're better off with a FL that can heat its own water if need be. I'd keep the old dryer to use only to handle overflow and prevent back up of clean, wet clothes. I'd keep the old washer to use for diapers and anything requiring a soak.

Jim


Post# 838635 , Reply# 55   8/29/2015 at 10:00 (3,134 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
I vote LG

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Speed Queen TLs are probably the best TL's on the market today, but with a septic system they will probably use way too much water, especially if you use an extra rinse for diapers.

If SQ FL's offered a water heater, I'd vote for them. Unfortunately for some unknown reason they do not. If I was washing diapers I would want a heater to sanitize and get whites brilliant. That will save you from having to use chemicals to sanitize and remove stains on baby things.

I have a LG 3570 and love it. Sturdy machine with best consumer rating for fewest repairs in first five years of all FLs. Mine has heater and turbo wash - a recirculating spray that thoroughly saturates load. Also has spray rinse during high speed spin. Check out the features on LG. A FL will offer greater capacity and let you breeze through loads like mattress pads, comforters, rugs and other items that choke a TL.

I previously had a Frigidaire FL that I was very happy with, but the LG is light years ahead. The LG washes a normal load in about 30 - 45 minutes depending on one or two rinses. Heating the water will bring the time up to about 90 minutes.

Good luck with whatever you choose.


Post# 838854 , Reply# 56   8/31/2015 at 15:21 (3,132 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
S p e e d Q u e e n.......

But once and buy right!!!
Five year bumper to bumper warranty!!
Built to last!
Serviceable.
Quick.
Either Top Load or Front Load.
Google any reviews on SQ products then Google Other brands complaints!!
You'll see the difference.
If you already have a TL washer why are you worried about the septic.
I too have had a TL on a septic. The tank gets pumped out every few years for preventative maintenance and all is well!
So what's it going to be?
Mike


Post# 838985 , Reply# 57   9/1/2015 at 09:53 (3,131 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        
Q about a background point

Since when are septic tanks supposed to be pumped out?

ST's should only be pumped out if there's a back-up because the leeching field's been saturated. Then you have to lay out a new one from the same septic tank. If the problem is just the volume of water, AFAIK one should ad a branch running to an area that has good drainage.

I know all leeching fields eventually clog. That's just laws of physics. But every few years? Have I missed something?

Jim


Post# 838986 , Reply# 58   9/1/2015 at 10:08 (3,131 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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My girlfriends father has religiously had his septic tank pumped either annually or bi-annually for the 35 years he has lived in their home. I'm not sure if it preventative or just paranoia. Clearly I see the ads from the sucking services working to inspire paranoia to sell their services.

They have one of the mid-2000 Amana top load washers that somehow seems to just keep working. It runs many loads each week and puts a LOT of water down the drain. I'm no septic system expert but sometimes I wonder if a lot of water flowing through the septic helps to keep things flowing?

The one thing they are very cautious about is to always filter the washer lint from the discharge water to prevent non-digestible synthetic fibers from plugging the drain field.



Post# 838995 , Reply# 59   9/1/2015 at 10:43 (3,131 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Yes, water is required of course to keep things flowing. The issue is not the septic tank itself, but how much water the leeching field can absorb at a time. If water's going in faster than it's going out, the level in the tank will rise. This is expected (i.e. TL washer draining) and capacity is calculated into tank size. However, if:

water inflow g.p.m. > tank capacity at start + water outflow g.p.m.

the level in the tank will rise. If it continues there'll be a problem for your basement :-)

Water outfow g.p.m. is not a static number. Day to day it depends on how saturated the leeching field is with water from rain, runoff, etc.

Jim


Post# 839044 , Reply# 60   9/1/2015 at 13:54 (3,131 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)        
Facts about septic systems

from the rare septic enthusiast who replaced his tank voluntarily, not because the government ordered it.

Solids are supposed to settle in the septic tank, not make it out to the leach field. When too much tank space is taken up by solids it's time to get it pumped, or solids may get out to the field and clog it. Once the field is clogged, pumping the tank isn't going to help. Then you're in for considerable expense, unless you have an alternate leach field to switch to. That'll give the original field a chance to rest, which may restore it to working order.

10 years or so ago, I got concerned about my leach field, because if it failed I would have to hook up to the sewer system. A good septic contractor told me that if I want the field to last, I should get a two-compartment tank with an outlet filter. He suggested a 1500-gallon tank, but I went for 2000-gallon which didn't cost much more. The tank has risers up to the surface so I can easily check it. I check at least once a year. So far there's moderate sludge in the first compartment, and no sludge in the second compartment (judging by poking with a 2x4). As long as it's like that, there's no benefit to getting the tank pumped. When I check the tank I also clean the filter. I always find stuff in it, but it's never been completely full.


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Post# 839057 , Reply# 61   9/1/2015 at 15:18 (3,131 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Septic tank pumping...

The first time was necessary after my son flushed a whole box of baby wipes down the toilet and they made their way to the drop down box before clogging the fields!! Thank God!!
After that it was preventative maintenance because we use "moist wipes" as well as toilet paper. It wasn't because of the washer, but I felt an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Besides I have a hook up with a friend who owns a Septic Tank Cleaning Company.
Mike


Post# 839107 , Reply# 62   9/1/2015 at 21:28 (3,131 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Once upon a time (I was probably still a teen) I was told that it was a leEching field, not a leAching field. I never bothered to check it myself. I guess I had it right the first time.

I should mention that my knowledge comes from home owners and professionals but applies only to systems installed in the late 60's.

Yes, solids are supposed to settle in the bottom of the tank and be broken down by bacterial action, hence the monthly Rid-X application. However, minute/microscopic particles are suspended in the liquid and DO clog the field, but that is supposed to take several decades at least.

More wisdom from the 1960's:
-Once you open a septic tank the necessary bacterial balance is damaged and unlikely to ever be restored.
-leaching field life can be extended by installing a runoff pipe to carry overflow liquid to a smaller, more distant area to leach.
-ditto with a separate and smaller system installed to handle just the washing machine.

IIRC, there was a whole list of do's and dont's homebuyers got when they moved into the late 60's development I grew up in. I have a vague recollection of my dad and some neighbors talking about how the more items on the list people followed, the longer they went without needed to have their septic tank pumped out. I think my parents tank lasted 22 years.


Post# 839150 , Reply# 63   9/2/2015 at 03:07 (3,130 days old) by washer111 ()        

My grandfather's septic system was finally given a huge amount of TLC this past year, having been in place for the better part of 30-40 years. Most of the time, the household has been between 2 and 4 persons. 

 

Given that he's on a farm, and there is a vast amount of space about the house, I'm not sure where the leaching field *actually* is. Following the tank, there is a "mound" of very green grass. Almost too green. 

Then I think it goes straight on from there into the small "bush" between the driveway and closest paddock about 20-30m away. It probably isn't huge, but the presence of huge gumtrees, several fruit trees that bear some fruit occasionally and other natives ought to be a suggestion of where the leeching field runs - roughly, at least. 

 

The problem had been the rubber tree *near* the tank getting in and blocking off the leech drain right as it leaves the tank. That, and the main run from the kitchen/laundry was blocked with all manner of rubbish from the last 30-40 years. This isn't bad considering the age of the system and clay pipes that could be even older. 

 

What I do know is the tank was pumped for the first time in at least a decade. Drains all run freely as a city system. Everything is great!

The leeching field was not touched. I suppose the system is sized well for the task it handles. Its now just him, and very few loads of laundry. Just a nightly bath and of course, the loo and kitchen sink. Even with two people, it wasn't bad. 

 

Really, it goes to show that even with relative neglect, septic systems can still work very well if they aren't subjected to intense strain. His "daily driver washer" is a 20-25 year old F&P SmartDrive - one of the first ever made. Aside from issues with mice and wiring, it has not skipped a beat. Take that, naysayers :P

 

(This also goes to show what happens if the folks here at AW.org get wind of something interesting. The latest thread goes off on a tangent of sorts). 


Post# 839300 , Reply# 64   9/2/2015 at 22:10 (3,130 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Bringing It Back On Home

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Best anyone can do when researching appliances is to enquire of informed views then dissect given information use along with other sources.

Miele, Speed Queen, etc... it is like Baskin and Robbins ice cream; everyone has their favorite but that may not be up your particular street.

Besides having a degree in Marketing am a natural cynic; so when Speed Queen says "Built Better To Last Longer..." my first reaction is "than what?".

Happily Alliance provides a handy-dandy calculator....www.speedqueen.com/the-speed-quee...

All laundry appliances both commercial and domestic have what is commonly referred to as a duty life cycle. That is how many loads per day (or week) they are rated to process. This number in turn provides an *estimate* of how long the machine will last on average. Of course commercial washers and dryers are largely designed for repair and or even being rebuilt. There are commercial washers >30 years old that have basically over the years had almost every major part replaced (motor, bearings, etc....) and are still chugging along.

Average lifespan of washers is around 250 hours/10-11 years. Front loaders can have a shorter lifespan of only about five years but there are qualifications to both.

H-Axis washers subjected to heavy use where not designed to cope can and often do develop rear bearing, spider and other issues. As often the cost of parts and repair (if it can be done at all) equals half or more of original cost of machine. Thus most will opt to simply chuck the thing and buy new.

Any home doing three to four loads per day should look to a front loader with quasi commercial design. Even certain OPL machines sold for use in beauty salons, bed and breakfasts and other places that do a lot of laundry on a daily basis.


Post# 839327 , Reply# 65   9/3/2015 at 03:52 (3,129 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
As Jo Frost from Supernanny would say...

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What about the elephant in the room: Family Planning! I don't think there would be such an issue with the septic tank if the family were smaller. Don't make it any more!

Oh, and I do agree with the above posters the Speed Queen or LG front loaders would be good choices in your situation.


Post# 839335 , Reply# 66   9/3/2015 at 05:44 (3,129 days old) by iej (.... )        

For a huge family, I would actually go with two European style front loader stacks side by side.

I don't think one huge machine is very flexible. Ultra high capacity front loaders are often very slow. They get the extra capacity by extending the wash times when they're heavily loaded.

Having two mid sized machines would be way more flexible.

Also, how often do you actually want to wash all your laundry in a single cycle?

Towels & t-shirts?
Dark colours and whites?
Wool and cotton ?

You could have your towels on in one machine on a hot wash while still having a second machine available to do something else.


Post# 839337 , Reply# 67   9/3/2015 at 06:13 (3,129 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Intersting Thread...

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People have used TL machines with septic systems for years. What has changed?

Malcolm


Post# 839338 , Reply# 68   9/3/2015 at 06:19 (3,129 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Septic Systems: As with so many things in this life, I know little about these. Every farm in the area has one, of course, out of necessity. What are the advantages of having a septic system over being hooked up to a community's sewer system? #towniequestion

As is the case with most casual visitors to AW, Patrice received the information she needed and returned to her life, leaving us full rein to let this thread veer off in any direction we choose, LOL.



Post# 839344 , Reply# 69   9/3/2015 at 07:07 (3,129 days old) by iej (.... )        

There's no advantage to them. In fact, they're a major inconvenience and less environmentally friendly in many cases.

They don't verse much environmental impact, if they're maintained properly and if there isn't a major concentration of them.

There have been plenty of reported cases where an area becomes popular for homes - some lake side getaway with stunning views. As more homes go up, if they're all on septic tank systems there's a risk of water contamination with biological pathogens and also a major risk of nitrate pollution caused by release from organic materials in the waste water.

Also no matter what you do, household cleaners will have elements that end up back in the environment as a septic system is only deigned to break down organic waste. So things like polymers and other components of cleaning agents end up back in the ground water in some cases!

A septic tank system or anything similar is a solution for a home that cannot be connected to a public sewer as non exists. So, normally they're only used in rural areas where one-off houses can't be connected up to anything as there simply isn't anything to connect them to.

If you have a system like that, you need to be 100% aware of how to maintain and manage it.

The single biggest risk is where someone buys a house that has such a system without any idea how to use it. They can end up causing water pollution accidentally.

You also need to avoid using lots of chlorine bleaches as they can sterilise the tank, stopping the microgranisms that breakdown the waste from working.

In general with a system like that you need a specialist contractor to check it at regular intervals.


Post# 839358 , Reply# 70   9/3/2015 at 09:40 (3,129 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
veer off in any direction...

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We can be like the patients in a mental ward, sometimes...

Malcolm


Post# 839360 , Reply# 71   9/3/2015 at 09:52 (3,129 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Well I would tell Jo Frost

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. . .who I think is hot BTW.
The size of the family is none-ya business. If you aren't being asked to produce or support them your obligation is nill. The request was for a washer.

Now if you want to reduce the wash load numbers and the demand on the septic system, go nude. No clothes to wash, problem solved.


And Dear Laundress:
As always, I agree with you.


Post# 839429 , Reply# 72   9/3/2015 at 17:20 (3,129 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
OP applied for information regarding a washing machine

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Not a leaflet from Planned Parenthood.

The first remark could be put down to a little jest; but to keep harping on about it was just uncalled for.

Septic systems:

There isn't a clear advantage over being connected to local sewer system; it comes down to several factors.

Some properties either do not have a local sewer system and or the owners do not want to pay the costs for connections with perhaps monthly or whatever rates.

Yes, for rural/farm properties septic systems are usually the norm given their remote location. OTOH urban areas you most likely will find municipal sewer systems with properties connected.

Humans like all living creatures produce waste and it has to go somewhere. In the country you can empty slop jars out back somewhere or relive oneself the woods (or a field of tall cotton, *LOL*). Obviously in a city you don't have that option.

Urban areas though the years had various methods of dealing with sewage ranging from cesspits to crude drains/sewage systems. Problem was most if not all relied upon sending untreated waste into bodies of water. That and or it was held in tanks/pits or whatever that leaked and contaminated ground water.

All this meant cities like London, New York, Paris and so forth not only stunk to high heaven but accounts for outbreaks of chlorera and typhoid. Those diseases are caused by consuming water contaminated with fecal matter.

Finally in the middle to late 1800's the link between germ contaminated water and disease was firmly established *and* accepted. It was then governments began to develop and install what would become the foundations of modern sewage systems.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesspit...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stin...

Early objections to municipal sewer systems fell into two camps: the smells as gases worked their way up through the drains and into buildings and that rodents (mainly rats) could use the pipes as conduits into same.

Modern designs of both sewer systems and pipes/drains have largely eliminated both the gas/odor problem along with threat of rats. However in some lesser developed areas you are wise to look down before you sit.....

End of thread drift.....




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Post# 839460 , Reply# 73   9/3/2015 at 20:17 (3,129 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Laundress, thank you for the admonishment.  I was so appalled, I couldn't come up with a tactful way as you did. 


Post# 839464 , Reply# 74   9/3/2015 at 20:51 (3,129 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Another chance to disapprove, another brilliant zinger....

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And here's to the girls that watch, aren't they the best?







Post# 839614 , Reply# 75   9/4/2015 at 22:27 (3,128 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        
Septic Tank vs Sewer System?

I think I'm about to either reveal my ignorance or deliver a flash of insight to you all...

I'm afraid I've never even heard of anyone, anywhere having any kind of choice as to which to use. AFAIK, either there is no sewer system so one must install a septic tank OR there IS a sewer system and connection to that is a legal requirement. Is this yet another example of my living under a rock?

Jim


Post# 839618 , Reply# 76   9/4/2015 at 23:20 (3,128 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Choice can happen under certain conditions. My girlfriends father built their home in 1981 is a semi-rural area. When the home was built a septic system (and a private well) was the only option. Some years later the city came through and brought in public water and sewer. Hooking up to either or was an option. He chose to connect to the public water but kept the septic system. He kept the well too for lawn irrigation.

I believe that they chose to go to city water for fear of ground water contamination in their aquifer. They live within a mile of a couple of Superfund dump sites where 3M disposed of various chemicals in the 70's.

I'd bet that in many cases the city might push to get people off their septic system when the sewer goes in. John's house in Beltsville was converted from septic to city sewer in about 1968. I don't recall if it was optional.


Post# 839619 , Reply# 77   9/4/2015 at 23:27 (3,128 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
If sewer conections exist when a builing goes up

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You'd have to have some pretty strong convictions not to opt for it and use a septic tank instead.

OTOH yes, many times when a property was initially developed septic tanks were all on offer because the area didn't have municipal sewer connections.

When you think about suburban sprawl and how once farm/rural land increasingly became and still becomes very developed it is easy to see these changes.

Speaking of New Jersey you have plenty of areas in the south, north and central that were once farm land but are rapidly developing. A septic tank may have been good enough when it was just a farmer's main house and some outbuildings; but subdivide a several hundred acres into scores of new houses or worse apartment buildings, then it is a safe bet some sort of sewer system is going in.


Post# 839672 , Reply# 78   9/5/2015 at 07:52 (3,127 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Septic Systems For Homes

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Our family home here in Beltsville was first occupied in 1956, and it had city water service and a septic system. Around 1960 just before we mover here in 61 they dug up the streets and installed a sewer system.

 

Many neighbors had had problems and started hooking up to the city sewer system, but is was optional. My parents had us hooked up around 1968 after part of the back yard started to get wet and mushy. When we we kids many neighbors ran their washers water out to the back yard or even to the gutter at the street to avoid overloading thier septic tank system.

 

A partner and I bought a house in W Va. 30+ years ago that I still have and my partner Smittys house also has well and a STS and overall I love not having a water and sewer bill. Year after year we save $500-1000 not having a water and sewer bill.

 

In W Va. I have had one well pump replacement since 1965 and that was only around $2500.00, and Smitty has had no problems or expenses in 25 years now.

 

I really like having these systems as part my existence at our homes, I feel a little more that we are living off the land we own knowing our waste is going back to the earth and trees that surround our homes.

 

One of the things that I feel is good for a STS proper functioning is to minimize excessive amounts of water entering the system. In both homes top loading washers and non low flush toilets are gone.

 

From reading about STSs it is important to get enough human and other organic waste in to the STS to keep it healthy, for this reason both homes have garbage disposers, and we use them a lot. In the W.Va house I have canned many bushels of tomatoes, green beans etc and put all the waste right down the disposer. I do of coarse avoid putting any large amounts of fats down the drain and other stuff that is edible I put out for the wild animals to eat.

 

I have been told by several sources that one of the best things you can do if you have a STS is to have a garbage disposer.


Post# 839680 , Reply# 79   9/5/2015 at 09:05 (3,127 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        
You can't fix stupid......

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well, if you wanted a poster boy for planned parenthood, WE certainly have one!....

all we can hope is that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree....


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Post# 839686 , Reply# 80   9/5/2015 at 10:25 (3,127 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)        

My septic system is grandfathered in, now that sewer is available. If the system fails then replacement isn't an option, rather I'll have to hook up to sewer. When I applied for a permit to replace my septic tank, the water-sewer utility wanted the county to deny the permit. The county took my side, arguing that I was maintaining an existing system rather than fixing a failed one. I got the permit.

I really wanted to install an in-tank aerobic treatment unit, my own little sewage treatment plant. My reasoning was that the output from the ATU wouldn't degrade the leach field at all, since it's suitable for surface discharge. The county permitting office gave me info on the system they recommended (for sites that needed one). But the contractor flat-out refused to do it. He never really gave a reason. I think he didn't want to install a potentially troublesome device unless it was absolutely required.



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