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Post# 838984   9/1/2015 at 09:43 (3,153 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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I noticed this between 2 posts. Can you spot the difference?

Malcolm


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Post# 838988 , Reply# 1   9/1/2015 at 10:19 (3,153 days old) by easyspindrier (Maryland)        

My control panels are completely flat like the first photo. Second photo the controls are indented similar/same are the rear control models.

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Post# 838997 , Reply# 2   9/1/2015 at 10:47 (3,153 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Bingo

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One of the reasons I liked the rear control units was the chrome ring around the inlay. Wonder if the stainless model will follow suit..

Malcolm


Post# 839000 , Reply# 3   9/1/2015 at 11:04 (3,153 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        

Hi James, I never saw a video from this Speed Queen FL model. I'm very curious because this washer in particular is very complete than the older models. Can you do a video about that?


tks


Post# 839149 , Reply# 4   9/2/2015 at 02:59 (3,153 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

I noticed one has the energy star badge and the other one doesn't.

It could have been removed by the end user...


Post# 839201 , Reply# 5   9/2/2015 at 09:55 (3,152 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

They really should figure out a way to make the washer door reversible.

Post# 839498 , Reply# 6   9/4/2015 at 05:37 (3,151 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Video

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I would like to see a video of the interim spin profile. My SQ uses a pulsed spin program as a suds lock protection method. The new models are supposed to do a full on spin between rinses.

Malcolm


Post# 839559 , Reply# 7   9/4/2015 at 12:53 (3,150 days old) by mr_b ()        
Malcolm ?

I'll take some video of the 2015 SQ FL over the weekend and post it sometime Monday. Anything in particular you want me to concentrate on?

Post# 839575 , Reply# 8   9/4/2015 at 16:03 (3,150 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Thanks.

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Interim spins.
Final spin.

Quietness during operation.

Thanks again.
Malcolm


Post# 839586 , Reply# 9   9/4/2015 at 18:31 (3,150 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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So is the latest revision the one with the full width silver panel over the membrane panel? Kinda seems like this would be more expensive to manufacturer, although I suppose the long membrane sticker is cheaper then having a bezel.

I stopped at the local dealer today and looked at the floor models. I was rather unimpressed with the door hinge construction on the current electronic FL model. Just a piece of piano hinge and it seems like most of the structure in the door is plastic. It flexed about pretty easily when I leaned on it a little.

The top load machine on the floor didn't have the horrible scratches in the spin basket we have seen recently. One side did have a pretty bad lap at the weld where you could feel a raw edge from the perforated part of the drum though. I could catch a nail on it easily and the edge was sharp. Quality control seems to be marginal on the baskets.


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Post# 840080 , Reply# 10   9/7/2015 at 17:31 (3,147 days old) by mr_b ()        
2015 Speed Queen Front Load Washer in Action!

As promised, I have posted a video of my 2015 front load Speed Queen in action. This is my first video ever and it shows. It includes a lot of wash agitation time, one interim rinse/spin cycle and the final rinse/spin cycle. I also added some music during most of the agitation time. You can hear how loud the wash and spin cycles are. The interim rinse/spine cycle starts around 22 minutes and the final rinse/spin cycle starts around 30 minutes. Click on the link below.



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Post# 840082 , Reply# 11   9/7/2015 at 17:38 (3,147 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

The video shows up private to me :/

Post# 840083 , Reply# 12   9/7/2015 at 17:40 (3,147 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Never mind...

Post# 840091 , Reply# 13   9/7/2015 at 18:10 (3,147 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
3rd post in a row

Sorry for that.

Now, cycle design wise I think they did OK.
The initial fill phase impressed me. Filled to level in one go, no soaking breaks needed. However, I'd have shortend the pauses there slightly.
The main wash rythm is nice, thourough, not to intensive and with nice short pauses. Water level is on point as well.

The balancing procedures are a bit lacking in my opinion. Those interupted distributions with only one short counter tumble after every few attemps often cause tangeling with big items (already recognizable with the jeans; with each try, the load looks more tangled, first not covering the view to the back wall of the drum, but slowly twisting up) and thus can lead to delayed spins.
The tub seems to have a lot of room for movement, and is pretty stable during spin, but balancing is certanly not impressive. Pretty OK, but not impressive.

The rinse levels and tumbles seemed average. How is the rinse resulted? I saw some minor suds there in the end.

The final spin noise is OK, within normal range as it seems. Washer itself seems pretty stable and vibrationless during high speed spin. Not noise of any loose drawers or covers there.
And I like the nob-static drains with short tumbles and close to no pauses. Make awesome anti crease fluffing tumbles as well.

Overall: Good cycle design with few minor flaws here and there.
Lookimg forward to maybe see some other stuff, like bulky items, or a more delicate cycle.
Awesome work filming, by the way! Next time, you could shortly show the settings beforehand, but otherwise really glad you made yourself the work and us this pleasure! Thank you!


Post# 840114 , Reply# 14   9/7/2015 at 19:20 (3,147 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
I have this front loader

Hello,

I have been using it for about three months now. I think it does an excellent job however it is far from quiet. Between the pump and the spin its probably one of the loudest front loaders I have owned. Previous model was the Electrolux wave touch which I left at my last house. That set was much quieter but did not spin as smoothly and was a bit more finicky about reaching its top spin speed.
If I was making the decision again I am not sure what I would do, my only hope is that this SQ set will outlive many others on the market. I think many things including the soap drawer are rather flimsy. I much preferred the Electrolux dryer to the speed queen. The spin on this front loader is the smoothest I have ever experienced, there is minimal to no vibration on the floor. I think that aspect of the machine is incredible.


Post# 840116 , Reply# 15   9/7/2015 at 19:24 (3,147 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Great Video

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You can sure tell when those ball bearings align during the spin up. Impressive.

I also like they way the drain pump continues to operate during the first few seconds of rinse filling to flush the sump.

Which cycle was this?

Malcolm


Post# 840149 , Reply# 16   9/7/2015 at 23:25 (3,147 days old) by mr_b ()        
Speed Queen Cycle Setup

Wash Cycle: Heavy Duty, Water Temp: Cool, Soil Level: Heavy, Spin Speed: High. No option such as extra rinse, pre-wash or soak was selected. Total wash time was 50 minutes broken down as follows:

Drain, Fill, Tumble Agitate: ~23 minutes
1st Spin/Rinse: 8 minutes
2nd Spin/Rinse: 8 minutes
Final Spin: 9 minutes
Fluff Tumble: ~2 minutes

The best way to sum this washer is straight forward, nothing fancy, no time wasted, fast, efficient, and gets the job done. I have only owned two other washers, both top loaders, each lasting over 20 years, so that is all I have to compare my washing results to. This cleans cloths as good as and if not better than my previous two, but then again I never really paid much attention to how well my previous washers did until I stated shopping for a new machine. Twenty years ago, for all intents and purposes, top loaders were the only show in town and then all I wanted was the largest capacity I could buy. This new front load is larger in capacity than my previous top load but no where near as large as some front load washers today, all of which are too big for me. The load I showed in the video was the largest load I typically wash which weighed around 15-16 pounds (7+ Kg).

Delicate cycle tumbles for less time with longer time gaps between tumble direction changes and spin defaults to low speed.


Post# 840150 , Reply# 17   9/7/2015 at 23:32 (3,147 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
speed queen!

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very nice wash action and seemed like a decent amount of water, but I was surprised it was only 1 deep rinse! How many rinses can you get with options?
Thanks Peter


Post# 840151 , Reply# 18   9/7/2015 at 23:36 (3,147 days old) by mr_b ()        

I cut the extra spin/rinse cycle out of the video to save time and file size. The video file was over 2 GB and took 2-1/2 hours to upload.

Post# 840152 , Reply# 19   9/7/2015 at 23:38 (3,147 days old) by mr_b ()        

A normal cycle has two spin/rinse cycles and you can add up to three more spin/rinse cycles.

Post# 840153 , Reply# 20   9/7/2015 at 23:43 (3,147 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
speed queen!

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thanks for the info - so you can get up to 4 rinses if needed and thats Great!
I waited so long to see one of these in action and I appreciate all your efforts doing this!
Peter :)


Post# 840160 , Reply# 21   9/8/2015 at 01:05 (3,147 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        
Malcolm..

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.
are you in the market? I mean, how long can you keep that wallet holstered before you'll be taking delivery on a new set yourself?
As i recall you having confessed here, that it is in your nature to do so, sooner rather than later...


Post# 840162 , Reply# 22   9/8/2015 at 03:12 (3,147 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Rinses...

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The settings can be programmed for up to five rinses. The suds routine, will add an additional two, if the machine detects it.

I'm always in the market. Just a matter of time.

Malcolm


Post# 840165 , Reply# 23   9/8/2015 at 04:28 (3,147 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I like it

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but I did not see a "deep" rinse -

I'm sure these machines will last decades.


Post# 840166 , Reply# 24   9/8/2015 at 04:29 (3,147 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

So, which model is newer? The completely flat control panel or the one with the chrome ring?

Glad to see someone uploaded a video of the washing action..

First thing I noticed is that it is considerably more finicky when it comes to balancing the load, doing these short low speed spins to pin the clothes to the tub and then going back to tumbling a few times.

Other interesting thing is how it steps the spin speeds, ramping up to final speed.

Overall, I'd say the new machine is much more intelligent than the older one, making it considerably more friendly for wooden second floor installations...


Post# 840205 , Reply# 25   9/8/2015 at 09:07 (3,146 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Once you see the ring....

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The model with the ring is newer.

I am not sure the spins are being finicky. Looks like a couple slow pulse spins before it starts gauging whether or not it can spin. It does appear to speed up and slow down trying to get the ball bearings in alignment before spinning ramps up.

Malcolm


Post# 840208 , Reply# 26   9/8/2015 at 09:17 (3,146 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

I do not want to seem change resistant,  I am just not convinced there is enough rinsing action for my clothing. Especially briefs, tee's and socks?  It seems adequate for towels and sheets.


Post# 840210 , Reply# 27   9/8/2015 at 09:36 (3,146 days old) by mr_b ()        

To me it appears the reason for slowly ramping up the spin speed allows much of the water to be removed, lightening the clothes weight, before the dynamic load balancing is applied. No sense un-necessarily spinning all that water weight at high speed if you don't need to, which probably makes it easier to dynamically balance the load.

Post# 840317 , Reply# 28   9/8/2015 at 22:28 (3,146 days old) by stinkerb06 (Modesto, CA)        
Dryer Beeper

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Is it extremely possible to record and upload a video showing what the dryer beeper sounds like?

Post# 840413 , Reply# 29   9/9/2015 at 12:03 (3,145 days old) by mr_b ()        

The dryer beep sounds identical to the washer beep which you can hear at the very end of the washer video. Not very sexy (it isn't no LG beep/tone) and not very loud. If you are not in the same room as the washer/dryer you will not hear it.

Post# 840519 , Reply# 30   9/10/2015 at 03:08 (3,145 days old) by bud ()        
Water level

Does anyone know of a way to raise the water level? Does a tech need to do it, or will they do it, or should it be done by the owner?

Post# 840521 , Reply# 31   9/10/2015 at 04:21 (3,145 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Apparently this washer can be programmed up to an impressive number of 5 rinses and high water levels are not really beneficial for the cleaning process in a FL except for washing delicates. I wouldn`t mess with the water level you might even risk a flood.

I really like what I`ve seen in the video, it`s certainly a sturdy no frills get to the point washer ! The interim spin speed could be a little bit faster but I guess whith the option to all those extra rinses there shouldn`t be a problem. Have to say I am really relieved (lol) that the pump did not shut off during interim spins.
They should think about offering a model with a heater to enable true warm-hot-sanitize temperatures on the flick of a switch.


Post# 840524 , Reply# 32   9/10/2015 at 04:48 (3,145 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

KB0NES:
I like the piano hinge design. It looks sturdy. My own washer has it. It serves its purpose well and does exactly what it is supposed to do. :-)

Bud:
I don't know, but I do wonder if they use the same pressure switch as what they use in their older washers. It probably wasn't designed to be user adjustable, but I have to wait and see. Hopefully someone will post a thread about it! My hope is that the modification is as easy to do as it was on the old ones.

In saying that, the older washers could only do three rinses if the extra rinse switch was turned on. I personally felt that raising the water level was needed, otherwise I'd have to leave the "Extra Rinse" switch on all the time.

The only downside I can see to programming one of the new washers to use five rinses all the time would be a lengthy cycle time.

I wouldn't doubt it if someone from Alliance was reading these messages boards and listened to all of the complaints involving water level. Why else would they design their new top loaders to use a high water level to begin with?

One thing I would have liked to have seen would be separate pressure switches for washing and for rinsing. The wash pressure switch could use a conservative water level while the rinsing pressure switch could use a much higher level so that the need for lots of rinses isn't as necessary.


Post# 840526 , Reply# 33   9/10/2015 at 04:54 (3,145 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

One small comment.. I honestly like the look of the chrome ring myself. It seems to indicate to me that the control panel would be a much more easily swappable unit, should any of the membrane buttons wear through.


Post# 840550 , Reply# 34   9/10/2015 at 09:44 (3,144 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
I like the piano hinge design. It looks sturdy

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Well looks can be deceiving. I walked around the show floor that day opening doors and leaning on them a bit. Other machines were Whirlpool, Maytag and GE. From my highly scientific test the SQ door seemed to be the most flexible.

The piano hinge isn't likely the fault, it seemed to be the door structure itself. In a way I like the idea of a continuous hinge vs 2 seperate points. I doubt it will pose a problem (unless kids swing on the door) but it just seemed to inspire a bit less confidence then what I expect from a heavy SQ neo-commercial machine.


Post# 840640 , Reply# 35   9/10/2015 at 18:35 (3,144 days old) by julianweber (Rome, GA)        
Water Level

Qualin:

The previous model AFN50F that I have has a pressure switch with two actual switches inside it. One is set for a higher level than the other and it is for the purpose of detecting an overfill condition. The housing is actually made to house three switches inside and if we could figure out which model is fully populated with all three switches we could have a switchable low/high water level and still retain the overfill protection.

I have thought about wiring some transistors together that would use the high water level switch when the Rinse light came on.

If some of the repair folks on here could find the part number for the pressure switch that has the three setpoints I might take this project on.



Post# 840700 , Reply# 36   9/11/2015 at 06:43 (3,144 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Juilian,

Seems to me like the AFN50F/AFN50R would be very good for modding.

However, I'm sure that most of the things that AW'ers would want done would be far beyond the scope of my knowledge and ability to do.

(i.e. Things like recirculating spray and a water heater.)

Setting the pressure switch to use a higher level on rinse doesn't sound too difficult. There's lots of space inside of the console.


Post# 840722 , Reply# 37   9/11/2015 at 10:43 (3,143 days old) by bttdxn ()        
Speed Queen Repairs/Warranty

Been reading all of the personal reviews on washers/dryers and am now very intrigued with Speed Queen since my 12 year old FL Kenmore appears to have bearings/seal issues from my research. As suggested by some, called local laundry mat to see what they had in hopes of "trying out" the Speed Queen. He said all he had were Dexters (which is what I believe the other local laundry mat has installed) and he said "do not buy a speed queen"! Said he has had to replace bearings twice at $2000K, but never with the Dexter. I am not sure Dexter offers a home version, but anyway, has anyone had to replace bearings and/or have they used the warranty with Speed Queen. The warranty online states "limited" etc. so not sure how useful that will be when the time comes.

Steve in San Diego, thank you for the video! I have read your other posts elsewhere and appreciate all of your expertise and insight you provided. Someone mentioned the noise level of the machine from your video. Do you find the machine loud? Which model do you currently have?

Thanks to all!


Post# 840726 , Reply# 38   9/11/2015 at 11:06 (3,143 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Bette,

First off welcome to the group.

I'd suggest taking the advice of the local laundromat with a grain of salt. $2000 seems like a lot of money for a bearing replacement service. Commercial service can cost more then residential. Also you need to be sure he was speaking of similar machines, not larger commercial ones etc.

When researching on the Internet reading reviews etc., keep in mind that in general you only read about machines that gave troubles. There is just no way to know how many machines are out there performing properly to derive accurate statistics from. It is human nature to be more likely to write a negative review then to willingly dish out praise for something that works properly. Since you don't know the sales numbers higher volume products will automatically have more negative reviews as well, possibly making them look artificially bad. Advice from good service people and an independent dealer is important, although beware, they may be trying to sell you something too ;)

Sounds like you have done pretty well to get 12 years with your current washer. The SQ machine should easily outlast that machine on overall mechanical durability.


Post# 840741 , Reply# 39   9/11/2015 at 13:22 (3,143 days old) by mr_b ()        

The Speed Queen model I have is the AFNE9BSP113TW01 and I think its sound level is reasonable. You can hold a normal conversation with someone standing next the washer during the spin cycle. The next time I do a batch of laundry I'll measure the noise level with a sound level meter held 6 feet away. Since my washer/dryer are in the garage, noise is not a concern anyway.

Post# 840825 , Reply# 40   9/12/2015 at 08:31 (3,142 days old) by bttdxn ()        
Speed Queen Repairs/Warranty

Phil & Steve,

Thank you very much for your feedback as I do appreciate it and agree. It seems the real person I need to convince is my husband. At $1,800 for a front loader (we have a septic & well so FL best for us), he says we can buy 2 or 3 machines since we really do not know if the SQ will really last as long as projected. He's also convinced that Steve works for SQ...lol

Ironically when I asked my mom last night if she had heard of SQ, she had just purchased a TL for $835. Said she loved it other than it was not big enough. Not sure why she said that as there is only two people in house.

Anyway, I am still curious if anyone has had to use the warranty with this machine and how it went. I feel EXTREMELY grateful my 12 year Kenmore FL set never had an issue until now. However, I do not feel we will get as lucky with the next household name brand (i.e. Whirlpool, GE, etc.) because they just do not build appliances/cars, etc. to last any more.

Thanks again for you advice and help! I am going to keep working on the DH. (:

Bette



Post# 840847 , Reply# 41   9/12/2015 at 10:31 (3,142 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
message to Speed Queen:

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If you're going to revise models and add improvements, why no SQ model option with a heater?

Post# 843680 , Reply# 42   9/30/2015 at 21:06 (3,124 days old) by stopmeister72 (Irving, TX)        
cycle times and options

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I'm thinking about ordering one for school. I teach culinary arts and am doing about 10 loads a day. We have an LG stacked and really want to put a brick in the washer and then tell them it broke . Luckily by chance, I found out there was a commercial speed queen triple loader and dryer just around the corner that I am doing about 3 or 4 loads in them a day as well.
I've been comparing the cycle charts for the residential version and the on premise one. Times are the same but the on premise one has less cycles and only one rinse option.
Some mentioned up to 5 rinses, correct me if I'm wrong, but when reading down the chart, wouldn't you have to choose either the 2nd or 3rd rinse option and not count both? If so, it looks like you would only get up to 4 rinses.
Also, just looked back at the rinse and spin cycle chart again. It looks like it is possible that you could choose rinse and spin and also select prewash and 3rd rinse which looks like you would get a 7 minute wash and 3 rinses in about 36 minutes. Is that correct???? Way cool if so as I feel a the short wash cycle consisting of only a 4 minute wash would not be enough and it would be nice to get a load done in about 30 minutes. This will be my next home washer for sure. :-) But until then, I have a Frigidaire front load and a calypso that I love.


Post# 843736 , Reply# 43   10/1/2015 at 11:06 (3,123 days old) by mr_b ()        

For the 2015 Speed Queen front load washer, selecting the Second Rinse adds one additional rinse cycle. Selecting the Third Rinse adds two additional rinse cycles. Selecting both Second and Third rinse options together will add three additional rinse cycles for a total for five rinse cycles.

As far as answering the second part of your question (rinse and spin with prewash and additional rinse), I will give it a try tonight and let you know tomorrow.

You can also shorten the wash cycle by choosing a lower Soil Level since the default soil level is Medium. For example in Heavy Duty mode you can cut your wash cycle down from 45 minutes to 40 minutes by selecting the Light soil level. The manual does not contain any information on how selecting the soil level changes the wash times. It only lists the wash times for the Medium soil level. Other levels, such as the Normal/Eco cycle will cut your wash time even more. I just don't know what that is but I will get back to you tomorrow with wash times for each cycle based on soil level selection.


Post# 843755 , Reply# 44   10/1/2015 at 13:08 (3,123 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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There's only one rinse if neither option is selected?  Don't frontloaders typically have two rinses as default/minimum?

What happens if Third Rinse is selected without Second?


Post# 843768 , Reply# 45   10/1/2015 at 14:58 (3,123 days old) by mr_b ()        

If you don't select any rinse options in the 2015 Speed Queen front load with electronic panel you get two rinses. If you select the Second Rinse option you get a total of three rinses. If you only select the Third Rinse option you get a total of four rinses. If you select both the Second Rinse and Third rinse options you get a total of five rinses.

Post# 843846 , Reply# 46   10/1/2015 at 22:19 (3,123 days old) by Stopmeister72 (Irving, TX)        
Thanks

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Mr b, i appreciate you taking the time to do this. 5 rinses, WOW! I like that you can modify the cycles so much.

Post# 843847 , Reply# 47   10/1/2015 at 22:19 (3,123 days old) by mr_b ()        
Cycle Wash Time Based on Soil Level Selected

stopmeister72 - The answer to your question about rinse and spin with prewash and "Third Rinse" additional rinse cycles works out to 41 minutes. Each additional rinse/drain option adds 8 minutes and the Rinse & Spin table left out the 2:30 minute water fill time for the prewash so the prewash actually adds 9:30 minutes to the rinse/spin cycle.

As promised the following is a list of the total wash times based on cycle and soil level selection. These times do not include any rinse options:

Cycle --- Low Med Heavy Max (Soil Level)
Heavy Duty: 40 45 50 55 (all times in minutes)
White: 45 50 55 60
Normal/Eco: 40 44 48 52
Delicate: 23 27 31 35
Bulky: 36 40 44 48
Quick Wash: 24 26 28 30



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