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Please, guys, tell me about agitators
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Post# 125611   4/30/2006 at 16:35 (6,569 days old) by sarah (Show Low, AZ)        

Hey Y'all,

I hear you talking about swapping agitators--
straight vane, dual action, filters...
I'm mystified. Would you please wax eloquent and tell me all about them?

Many thanks,
Sarah

Who's probably in the market for a new washer for herself, her husband, and her two boys who have simply upped the ante on dirt and laundry quantity in our household by seven orders of magnitude in the last four years.





Post# 125713 , Reply# 1   4/30/2006 at 22:50 (6,569 days old) by knitwits1975 ()        

OK, this is a dual action agitator. My Whirlpool, the bottom oscillates both directions while the top auger has a ratcheting mechanism which slips one way and grabs the other way, pulling it one direction only to circulate the laundry from top to bottom.

Post# 125714 , Reply# 2   4/30/2006 at 22:55 (6,569 days old) by knitwits1975 ()        

This is a view of the agitator out of the machine.

Post# 125715 , Reply# 3   4/30/2006 at 23:00 (6,569 days old) by knitwits1975 ()        

And this is a straight vane agitator. The whole thing oscillates together and while it is a simpler design, the rollover is not achieves nearly as well as with the other kind. Some people are old fashioned and prefer them though. Unfortunately many forum members have complained of shredding with these agitators. Another recommendation (if you still want Whirlpool) is a two speed model, these provide a two stage stepdown (speed changes from high to low halfway in the cycle) wash cycle.

Post# 125716 , Reply# 4   4/30/2006 at 23:17 (6,569 days old) by brettsomers ()        

how about spiralator and ramp-vane?


Post# 125725 , Reply# 5   4/30/2006 at 23:53 (6,569 days old) by knitwits1975 ()        

Tragically those are obsolete. They would make them today if I had my way though.

Post# 127313 , Reply# 6   5/8/2006 at 00:45 (6,562 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City)        
I miss the old thumpers that we had in the Fridgidaire------

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I had a Green 1968 Rolermatic Fridgidaire Washer, that always got things really clean, plus it was fun to watch.The fabulous overflow wash and overflow rinse.I would love to see a pic of one of those again.:)

Post# 127363 , Reply# 7   5/8/2006 at 09:45 (6,561 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

It's not the height, it's not the size, it's how high the suds rise.

(ducks and runs)


Post# 127368 , Reply# 8   5/8/2006 at 10:16 (6,561 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Measurements

Its not the heighth or the breadth or even the length and speed of the stroke.
Its how often you get to wash.
Kelly


Post# 127434 , Reply# 9   5/8/2006 at 15:09 (6,561 days old) by cvillewasherbo ()        
different agitators

I have a 93 WP with the corkscrew agitator. Since there's been all of this talk about switching agis around, I've been thinking about it. Trying to figure out which different one would work (or work best). I think a problem with the DD WP's,KM's,etc. is that the stroke is way too fast, and the arc is way too small. I wish they had never gotten that way--I loved the speed and the stroke of tags and the earlier washers.

One question--do the new tags still have spin and drain or are they now neutral drain like so many others? I hate the neutral drain on my WP, it goes on forever and ever after all the water has been drained out and just makes that loud sucking sound (I don't know what to call it). My 22 year old KM DW does the same thing--I hate it. Since they are about 8 feet from each other, when one is operating I can hear it back in my BR, if both machines are running at the same time, I have to leave the house!


Post# 127485 , Reply# 10   5/8/2006 at 23:05 (6,561 days old) by mistervain ()        
Rollermatic

I've seen lots of talk of it, can someone explain it?

Is this the one that bobs up and down rapidly to move the clothes upside-down and around without having to beat them with the agitator paddles?


Post# 127495 , Reply# 11   5/9/2006 at 00:22 (6,561 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Rollermatic is not a reference specifically to an agitator. It's a GM/Frigidaire mechanical design that (very simplified explanation) uses rollers (instead of a belt like the 1-18 or direct-drive like the Unimatics) to drive the agitation and spin functions.

Post# 127520 , Reply# 12   5/9/2006 at 06:40 (6,560 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Gotta love Sears and WP.

That thar agitator is way too big and tall for the cavity in which it goes. We know thiis because a part of it never gets immersed or wet.

But psychologically, I guess, larger seems to be preferred.
My short little GE one works just fine AND gets fully wet.


Post# 127527 , Reply# 13   5/9/2006 at 07:21 (6,560 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Agitator

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So, are you saying it is the motion in the water(ocean) that is really getting the job done as opposed to size of the actual object that is doing the movement?

Post# 127528 , Reply# 14   5/9/2006 at 07:23 (6,560 days old) by designgeek ()        


c'ville, that "giant sucking sound" is what respectable Republicans used to call the federal deficit. Sorry to say it's gotten so big by now that you can hear it all the way in Virginia!

Seems to me that agitators with a longer stroke (i.e. that revolve more in each direction before reversing) have shallower fins than agitators that operate on a shorter stroke (smaller arc of rotation) and higher speed. I never recall seeing such deep fins, particularly on the bottom, on the TLs I used over the years. The exception being the ramped spiral on the Hotpoint, which is a different design approach, since it's counting on creating reciprocating vertical movement of the water close to the center post (and lots of splashing!:-).


Post# 127573 , Reply# 15   5/9/2006 at 13:03 (6,560 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Here are some Frigidaire agitators. The 1958 - 1962 three ring agitator is one of the most popular agitators on this site I think.

Post# 127593 , Reply# 16   5/9/2006 at 15:28 (6,560 days old) by the7 ()        
Modifier Maytag Agitator

The agitator on my 95/96 Maytag was modified to reduce the shredding effect and an home-made lint filter was added.

Post# 127594 , Reply# 17   5/9/2006 at 15:30 (6,560 days old) by the7 ()        
Home-made Lint Filter

Home-made Lint Filter

Post# 127659 , Reply# 18   5/9/2006 at 21:45 (6,560 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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There are two ways of cleaning laundry: moving the water through the clothes, or mechanical action against the clothes.
Of the two moving water through laundry is supposed to be more gentle and effective. The vintage Frigidaires, Philco's "water wave" and front loaders all to some extent rely on moving water through the laundry. Oh yes, impeller machines like the Hoover and Maytag twin tubs, and today's Oasis machines also rely on moving items through water.

L.


Post# 127716 , Reply# 19   5/10/2006 at 05:58 (6,559 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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In my simplistic little mind I think of it this way:

In general:
F/L-er moving clothes through water
T/L-er moving water through clothes (which I suppose would make the GE filter-flo and similar, by definition, superior).

Love your agitator modifications and SS filter, *the 7*


Post# 128001 , Reply# 20   5/11/2006 at 09:02 (6,558 days old) by designgeek ()        

Re. shallower fins on some types:

Go here:

www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREAD...

and look at the interior photo, to see an example of an agitator with a smaller diameter center post and shallower fins all'round. These worked just as well as the newer ones in this thread that have deeper fins; they just did it differently: longer arc, slower speed, rather than shorter arc and faster speed.



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