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Post# 839405   9/3/2015 at 15:16 (3,156 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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OK, kids, it's crunch time. By this time tomorrow I will probably have ordered a new washer and dryer. For reasons I don't have time to go into right now, I've decided it's either the Maytag 8100 pair or the Samsung 6300 pair. The Speed Queen front-loader and LG 4270 were the other two in play, but they have been eliminated. Please advise only on Samsung and Maytag. I will find time later tonight to explain why I chose the two finalists.

Samsung Pros: Many great user reviews. Machine is more technologically advanced than the Maytag. Has recirculation feature similar to Turbo-Wash on LG. Ranks immediately after LG for reliability at CR. I'm not aware that many at AW have a new Samsung, so I can provide up-to-date information how the newest models perform. Price including pedestals, installation and state tax: $3200.00

Samsung Cons: Slightly concerned about Power Foam feature in very soft water. It uses air/detergent/water to make a foam which supposedly penetrates fabrics. Parts availability: Local dealer is being assured by sales rep more parts are available stateside than there used to be. However, some would have to come from Korea. Local dealership does their own servicing. Most howls of disdain about Samsung service (or lack thereof) were from people using 3rd party servicers. (Does everyone buy appliances at Lowes and Home Depot these days?!)

Maytag Pros: Corporate parent is American. All parts available in the U.S. Nice styling. Currently offering a $350 rebate on a pair, which negates the otherwise major price difference between Samsung and Maytag. Same dealer as Samsung; does own servicing. Price: Including pedestals, tax, installation and rebate: $3375.00

Maytag Cons: No recirculation system ala Speed Wash/Turbo Wash. Machine not as technologically advanced as Samsung.

I couldn't find a decent photo of the Samsung pair in Onyx, but that's the color I'm going with.

OK, go! Thanks in advance for your thoughts/opinions/experiences.


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Post# 839410 , Reply# 1   9/3/2015 at 15:24 (3,156 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Not knowing how it is about the WP based systems, but the Samsungs have really, REALLY dumbed down temps on the Normal cycles. Keep in mind, hot is "swimming pool" hot.

The Maytag has the fill spray however. Saturates pretty fast as well, I guess.

The Maytag features the automatic dosing system.

The Maytag has more "standard" cycles.

Personally, the Samsungs cycles and options would attrackt me more, however I'd be concerned about the temperatures on Normal AND Heavy Duty.


Post# 839424 , Reply# 2   9/3/2015 at 16:40 (3,156 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        
I can't speak to specs and options..

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but have you seen the machines in question in person?
If it were me, one of the two sets would no doubt make a superior impression; unless of course neither was satisfactory.
I hate stuff that feels chinsy, especially appliance knobs, doors etc.
The FL SQ set's weakest point, amid an otherwise solid tactile impression, is the doors.
Not bad per se, but no Mercedes Benz either.
On this score I like our Samsung French-door refrigerator, and the Samsung dishwashers i looked at (didn't buy though), but recall the Samsung washing machines had a flimsy feel common to other plasticky FL offings.




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Post# 839432 , Reply# 3   9/3/2015 at 17:54 (3,156 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

Samsungs have really tiny holes in the tub that have a difficult time passing lint.

If you can negotiate a bit I'm sure you can snag a set of white speed queens with pedastals for around $3700. Delivered. You will also be supporting a small business, and an American manufacture.

Also, the sq will last twice as long as either one of your choices.


Post# 839435 , Reply# 4   9/3/2015 at 18:22 (3,156 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
MT hands down!

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Let me ask a simple question. If the Samsung design is so good, where is the commercial version? Or can't it handle that workload?
There are 10's of 1000's of WP/MT FL machine with coin meters strapped on their backs working in laundromats and multi-housing units every day.
I would not have a W/D set in my laundry room that did not have a time proven commercial brother.
Just my opinion.
WK78


Post# 839438 , Reply# 5   9/3/2015 at 18:53 (3,156 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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I was strolling in my local Home depot today and was looking at the Samsungs...they are impressive but that said my experience with Samsung built washer and dryer.aka the Maytag Neptunes, they have come a long way since then. Would I buy them? I might. They are rated well and the dryer may even have a good sized rebate on it from your utility. Ours has a $200 rebate on it since its an Energy Star dryer.
The Maytags on the other hand, I was told by a dealer here when I was looking at a new set that she will not carry any Maytag front load washer since the control boards crap out after 6 to 8 months. Then Whirlpool has them on back order and at the time it was a 6 week backlog. Every Maytag front load washer she sold had board issues. Her words not mine.
So I would go with reliability and performance and go from there. Too bad you nixed the LG's, they are very impressive and a lot of fun to use. Plus very quiet.


Post# 839449 , Reply# 6   9/3/2015 at 19:35 (3,156 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Sneaking in a quick post during pause at rehearsal.

1. Saw the LG 4270, SQ, Maytag 7100's (similar to 8100) and Samsung 5600's (similar to 6300) in person over the past couple of days.

2. I tend to buy a new laundry pair every 5-8 years. My car, on the other hand, is 21.5 years old, LOL. If I wanted a set to last 20 years, Speed Queen would be the obvious choice. For my purposes, when I weighed durability against features, I went with features. Decided against the SQ for reasons I've mentioned before: No internal water heater; relatively small 3.4 cu. ft. drum; don't know that pedestals are available for SQ.

3. Liked the look and feel of controls on Samsung, but also took note of tiny drain holes. That may be an issue now that white bath towels covering the couch and desk (cat hair) get washed every few days and the cats' comforters get washed every couple of weeks. I'll be honest, I'm more curious about Samsung because it's a new brand to me. People who weren't complaining about service really liked their 6300.

4. Maytags have a 17" pedestal, making reaching in very easy. Samsungs have 14" pedestal.

5. Maytag literature says Maxima line (includes TOL 8100's) is designed, engineered and assembled in US. Parent Whirlpool is an American company. If I decide to buy American, I'd feel pretty good choosing Maytag.

6. I'm not concerned that Samsung doesn't have a commercial sibling. I doubt commercial Maytag front-loaders have much in common with their residential line. SQ's residential machine has more in common with its commercial sibling. Again, will probably be looking for something new and different in 5-8 years, anyway.

7. I've steered a number of people to LG, all of whom like their machines. Several here have many positive things to say about their LG set. You'd think my finalists would come down to LG and Maytag. For some reason, am more curious about Samsung than LG for myself.

8. Does anyone here own a recent Samsung? If so, I'd love to hear from you. Several here have commented positively about their Whirlpool and Maytag washers, but don't recall anyone talking about their Samsung since the disastrous line badged as Maytags.

Will have to think long and hard when I get home tonight. Could have new machines installed by end of next week if I place my order tomorrow. The Maytag rebate going on may be the tipping point...or my curiosity about Samsung may win out.

Gotta get back to rehearsal.
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Post# 839450 , Reply# 7   9/3/2015 at 19:38 (3,156 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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NEVER until they get serious about parts and service, We have run into several SS appliances in the last two months that were not even 3 years old, and important parts like control panels, water valves, and even a control board for a refrigerator were NLA for all three of these appliances that were not even THREE YEARS OLD.

 

And we don't even work on SS appliances, also note: most SS appliances are now made in China.


Post# 839456 , Reply# 8   9/3/2015 at 20:00 (3,156 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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From what I understand from the service guys, the motors on samsung washers are aluminum wound and copper plated.

I am very seriously wanting the LG wm5000hva pair. I just need to sell my profiles but Mom may take them.


Post# 839458 , Reply# 9   9/3/2015 at 20:12 (3,156 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Maytag.  I think more flexibility.  I've read the Samsung manual. 


Post# 839459 , Reply# 10   9/3/2015 at 20:17 (3,156 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

On my Whirlpool WFW72HEDW the water temp is only dumbed down on the normal cycle. The rest (except for cold wash) give you hot when you select hot with no dumbing down. Including the quick wash cycle. So my suggestion is that the Maytag set would be your best bet. Good luck!

Post# 839474 , Reply# 11   9/3/2015 at 23:13 (3,156 days old) by cam2s (Nebraska)        

I have a Maxima XL 7000 series set, they will be 2 years old in December. I haven't had any reliability issues with them and the performance is excellent. I don't use the normal cycle as I generally use the aggressive cycles, sanitize, power wash, and allergen. This is really just more of a preference, as I like to wash on the most aggressive settings for a given load type. The Duets/Maximas have the fan fresh system which is actually really handy. It uses a fan to circulate air through the drum after the load has finished. It will go for up to 8 hours I believe and keeps the load fresh if you can't get to it. It also can be activated while the machine is off to help dry out the drum and prevent mold.

Post# 839496 , Reply# 12   9/4/2015 at 05:08 (3,156 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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And the winner is....Maytag! It's the first time I've purchased something that isn't a WCI/Electrolux-made washer. Been using front-loaders since the mid-1980's and every one of them has been a Gibson or Frigidaire WCI or a FrigiLux. 

While I'm admittedly more curious about Samsung, several things helped tip me to over to the Maytag 8100's.

> Read manuals for both machines a couple of times; Maytag, as Bob pointed out, offers more flexibility with water temperatures, cycles, etc.

> Many positive user reviews at various places online, plus fewer complaints about service when it was needed.

> John's experience with Samsung parts being no longer available on appliances barely three years old. That's just not something I want to risk on a $3,000+ investment.

 

> Current Maytag rebate makes price competitive with Samsung.

 

> I feel good about supporting an American company and workforce.

 

Thanks, everyone, for your input.  I'll post photos when the machines have been installed. Barring a backorder, that should be late next week.


Post# 839497 , Reply# 13   9/4/2015 at 05:31 (3,156 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Good Choice

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I looked at the SS machines and for the most part, they are very impressive. The only negative I had with them were the spongy membrane buttons on the control panel.

The MT machines have that glass touch panel that I think is much smarter in the long run.

Malcolm


Post# 839499 , Reply# 14   9/4/2015 at 05:40 (3,156 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Would have chosen the Maytag as well. 👍

Post# 839500 , Reply# 15   9/4/2015 at 05:44 (3,156 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I'm SO glad you got a Maytag

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instead of a Samsung. I think that's what my next FL purchase will be. I may have mentioned this but I will always repeat it, plug it into a surge protector. I had the worst trouble with the control board on my Duet after just over a year, and it was not plugged into a surge protector. It got replaced and the tech told me to keep it in a surge protector and I haven't had a single error code and I'm on year 11 with it....could be luck? I don't know -

can't wait to see the pics and hear your thoughts on the machine..


Post# 839501 , Reply# 16   9/4/2015 at 05:44 (3,156 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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YAY!!!!!!


Post# 839505 , Reply# 17   9/4/2015 at 06:03 (3,156 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Thanks, guys! Believe me, I didn't take your input lightly. Although I read user reviews at  Lowe's/Home Depot/Best Buy/etc., I know that everyone here really knows washers.  Case in point:  Had to chuckle at one disgruntled Maytag 8100 owner's review.  He said, "The tub spins one way, then stops and spins the other way.  It can't seem to make up its mind!"  He thought the reverse tumbling was a defect.  When someone at AW has something positive (or negative) to say about an appliance, you know it's reliable information.

 

Mike-- Part of the reason I eliminated Speed Queen and LG was because I wanted to support the young couple who recently purchased the Maytag/Frigidaire dealership.  They've already brought two new brands to our little town (Samsung and KitchenAid) and are very nice people to deal with.  I've known the wife's family since she was a little kid.  

 

Speaking of KitchenAid, I looked at a couple of the models on the floor and they were sweet!  Racks, door, etc. were solid compared to my GE. 

 

Mark-- What surge protector do you use?  The only ones I've seen look like a power strip. Sounds like good insurance to use one for this spend investment.

 

 


Post# 839513 , Reply# 18   9/4/2015 at 07:28 (3,155 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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More good news: Just found out that in additon to Maytag's $350 rebate, I'll get a $200 prepaid card/rebate from Home Design (the credit card I was going to use), as well as rebates for the Energy Star certification on both the washer and dryer. Awesome!

Post# 839516 , Reply# 19   9/4/2015 at 07:32 (3,155 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Congratulations! Can't wait to see the pictures and perhaps even a video?

Post# 839521 , Reply# 20   9/4/2015 at 07:46 (3,155 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Hi Frigilux - I noticed that the 8000 series are discontinued, so what model did you choose? These are very good discounts, off a $1000+ unit(s). Same idea here - will be interested in your experiences as you own these. Your additional rebates and discounts are K.A.! :-)

Best wishes!


Post# 839526 , Reply# 21   9/4/2015 at 08:05 (3,155 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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I'm glad you picked Maytag too!! I really like the look of their machines. Samsung has a great designs and features, but their reliability is questionable. I have a Samsung microwave and haven't had issues with it in the year I've used it, but their poor reliability ratings stopped me from getting their dishwasher.

Can't wait to see your pics of it!

What will you do with your old set?


Post# 839530 , Reply# 22   9/4/2015 at 08:29 (3,155 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Phil, it's the Model 8100


Post# 839538 , Reply# 23   9/4/2015 at 09:48 (3,155 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Surge protector is a great idea.
I'm going to need my first pair of personal laundry machines at the end of the year (first house, yay!) and have really put the Maytags on the top of my list.

I'll 2nd, what surge protectors are recommended for large appliances, other than those cheap strips?


Post# 839541 , Reply# 24   9/4/2015 at 10:24 (3,155 days old) by Gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Looks like you've come to the right decision already. I've heard several stories about Asian appliance troubles just in the last few weeks. Friends who've bought them experiencing performance and service headaches. None for me, unless they show up on CL for next to nothing, a less expensive way to get that curiosity satisfied :-)

Good luck with the new Maytags.


Post# 839546 , Reply# 25   9/4/2015 at 10:51 (3,155 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
Surge Protector

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If you are looking for a surge protector for an appliance here is the one you should highly consider.

Its an IsoBlok2-0 from Tripp-lite. These are heavy duty all aluminum affairs that physically screw to the grounding screw on a common duplex outlet. Unlike most so called surge protectors these also have some EMI/RFI filtering which helps take the sting out of spikes as well as isolating interference to/from the connected device.

Expect to pay $25-30 for one of these quality devices. Google will find your available sources, CDW seems to be a reliable vendor for these.

Tripp-Lite also makes a nice selection of multi-outlet surge suppressors with a line cord. If one ever needs a surge suppressor outlet strip (again with RF filtering!), and you don't want to buy plastic China junk, these are the ones to get. I have about 5 of them that have all been on the job for 15-20 years now.


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Post# 839556 , Reply# 26   9/4/2015 at 12:25 (3,155 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Thanks Frigilux

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8100 - if the 8000 series are discontinued...wonder if you're getting more for your money, since there are times when the next gen products find ways to make the company more profit with some possible compromises(?) in features, materials, etc. I am just curious - can't help wonder.


Oh yes, thanks for the reply Bob.


Post# 839578 , Reply# 27   9/4/2015 at 16:28 (3,155 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Great choice

Glad you chose American built Maytag!!! Great looking washer and I hope you get years of trouble free service. I generally like Whirlpool/Maytag products as well as GE. You know I love Speed Queen, but I wholeheartedly depise Korean/Chinese built company washers and dryers... Buy American made products especially appliances!
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Post# 839585 , Reply# 28   9/4/2015 at 18:13 (3,155 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
The surge protector I have

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is just a power strip. It has a light on it that says the surge protector part is working. It's PROBABLY not NEARLY as good as the one the poster listed above, but I'm sure it's better than nothing.

It's interesting the last two times I have bought an appliance, A WP dishwasher in 2005 and my current Maytag (which I love) dishwasher in 2014, as soon as I chose the model I wanted, within a week, it was discontinued. This was the case with both dishwashers. I just thought that was strange..


Post# 840110 , Reply# 29   9/7/2015 at 19:11 (3,152 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well Eugene, when are these to be installed?


Post# 840143 , Reply# 30   9/7/2015 at 21:36 (3,152 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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They would have arrived tomorrow (Tuesday), but with the Labor Day holiday they will most likely Wednesday or Thursday. Hoping they're installed Friday or Saturday. That time frame goes out the window if there's a backorder situation. I'm praying that doesn't occur, as the family I donated the Frigidaires to are coming to get them tomorrow night. Wouldn't it be funny if I had to make a trip to the laundromat for the first time since 1986?

A friend is coming over Wednesday evening to help remove the double cupboard mounted on the wall above the laundry pair. The Maytags have pedestals and won't fit under the cupboard.

Upside: My back and knees are cheering for the pedestals. It was so easy to reach into both the Maytag 7100's on pedestals on the showroom floor.  

Downsides: I'm used to turning off the faucets after the last load of the day, but they will be blocked by the taller machines. Thousands of people don't turn off their water faucets and never experience a problem; hoping I'm one of them, LOL! I'll also have to adjust to hauling laundry upstairs to fold on the dining room table. I've always used the tops of the machines as a folding area. That's not really a problem; the clothes have to go back upstairs one way or another. I'll simply have to adjust to altering a 30-year routine.


Post# 840167 , Reply# 31   9/8/2015 at 04:38 (3,152 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
My Duets are on pedastals

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I use the top of my machines to fold the clothes......But the pedestals aren't nearly as big then as the ones they make now..

Post# 840172 , Reply# 32   9/8/2015 at 06:02 (3,152 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Nice-looking Duets, Mark. The pedestals for the Maytag are 15" high (I didn't catch the typo above 'til it was too late to edit the post. They are not 17" tall.) I still think it would be uncomfortably high for me to try to fold laundry on them.

If I move a metal shelf out of its current spot and leave a 10" gap between the washer and dryer, I'd still have access to the faucets. Maytag sells a nice cart designed to be placed between the pair. That may be the solution to my faucet-access dilemma. I really don't want to leave them on all the time.

Storage on the cart and in pedestal drawers would make up for losing the metal shelving.


Post# 840176 , Reply# 33   9/8/2015 at 06:53 (3,151 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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I have that cart above, Eugene. I love it! I put it in between my washer and dryer. I keep my laundry products on the top and then other cleaning items (cleaners, rags, etc) on the lower shelves. I really like it! I got mine at Lowe's for like $30.

Post# 840178 , Reply# 34   9/8/2015 at 07:02 (3,151 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Are the windows in the new Maytag's smoke/tinted or clear?  Thanks -A


Post# 840206 , Reply# 35   9/8/2015 at 09:15 (3,151 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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My machines, Maytags, are on 15" pedestals. But the pedestals are setting on a concrete slab in the basement approximately four inches high. This actually makes the controls at eye level for a short guy like me. The loading and unloading is perfect height, but using the the top to fold is out of the question; I have to get a step ladder to wipe down the tops of the washer & dryer.

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Post# 840221 , Reply# 36   9/8/2015 at 10:33 (3,151 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Very handsome looking Maytags.
I'm looking at a pair of Maximas later in the year. Look forward to hearing about their performance over time.
It's either those or I'm eyeing the US-made GE's.


Post# 840240 , Reply# 37   9/8/2015 at 12:27 (3,151 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
It will be interesting

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to see how much water these use....Be sure to let me know how much the allergen cycle uses - because if I'm not mistaken, that cycle uses more water I think..maybe even more than bulky. I think that's part of the point of that cycle is using more water to flush allergens away along with higher temps...I think someone mentioned this on here a while back.

I wish my Duet had a cycle other than delicate or soak that used more water, but they all use the SAME from what I can tell.....sanitary, normal, heavy duty, whitest whites...


Post# 840247 , Reply# 38   9/8/2015 at 13:14 (3,151 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Joe--- They want $68 plus shipping for the same cart at Maytag's site. Found it on Amazon where I get free 2-day shipping. Thanks for the heads-up. Looks like a nice, sturdy cart---and I'll still have access to the faucets feeding the washer.

alr2903--- I think the lens in the window is smoked; most seem to be these days. Glad the 8100 has an interior light, at any rate.

Harley--- That's a sharp set. You really don't have to reach downward at all to move laundry between machines, LOL.

John--- I like my GE dishwasher and had initially planned on getting the GE pair with the built-in risers. However, I decided not to purchase anything GE until we find out which corporation purchases the appliance division, what their intentions are, and how long parts for pre-acquisition appliances will be available. Since Maytag is well established at Whirlpool, I figured Maytag would be my best bet.

Mark--- The manual says the Allergen cycle uses more water. I'll have to see if any others use more, as well. Every cycle used the same amount in the Frigidaire. I have Saturday off (fingers crossed) so I plan to park myself in front of the Maytag and learn about the various cycles.

Installation is slated for Thursday morning. Unfortunately, I won't have a moment to play with them Thursday or Friday. Getting excited for my first non-Frigidaire front-loaders!




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Post# 840273 , Reply# 39   9/8/2015 at 16:59 (3,151 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
GE Appliances...

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....is going to Electrolux.
Not my favorite choice, but way better than going to Haier or some other Asian firm. At least E-lux makes good appliances and has a US & global presence.
I just PRAYYYYYY they don't let the GE dishwashers go to the Frigidaire platform.
YUK!


Post# 840304 , Reply# 40   9/8/2015 at 19:44 (3,151 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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>If I move a metal shelf out of its current spot and leave a 10" gap between the washer and dryer, I'd still have access to the faucets. Maytag sells a nice cart designed to be placed between the pair. That may be the solution to my faucet-access dilemma. I really don't want to leave them on all the time.

I think it's a good idea turning the taps off. Certainly, the idea of them being on and hidden behind the machine makes me cringe. But I've had two bad experiences. One involving a hose that sprang a leak, and in less than an hour or two created a horrific mess. And, many years ago, the intake valve on my mother's Kenmore broke in such a way it stayed open. Making matters fun on that occasion, the tap (which probably hadn't been turned off since the machine's last repair 10+ years before) broke its handle.



Post# 840313 , Reply# 41   9/8/2015 at 21:46 (3,151 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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If water runs to it or through it, I have a flood-related horror story about it. This is why I would lose sleep if I didn't have access to the faucets.

On the other hand, the pair looks better installed close together rather than a foot apart with a cart between them.

I don't have the bank to re-route the pipes, so for now I'm going with security over style. The story of my life, LOL.


Post# 840340 , Reply# 42   9/9/2015 at 01:58 (3,151 days old) by mieleforever (SOUTH AFRICA)        

I can't really comment on the Maytag as we do not get Maytag in South Africa, but regarding your post about the availability of spares of the Samsungs, I think I have figured them out, they were never disigned to be repaired, instead you can just throw them away at the first hint of problems, so I think you will have difficulty in obtaining the parts for a repair.

Well anyway enjoy your new machines.

Regards



Post# 840372 , Reply# 43   9/9/2015 at 09:01 (3,150 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Well for one thing, the new Maytag washer will not come with hoses so you can pretty much buy what you want. I wonder if those AquaStop hoses would work for you. It would give peace of mind where it would kill the leak at the source. Or use braided stainless steel hoses, there are so many options you could do.

Post# 840389 , Reply# 44   9/9/2015 at 10:16 (3,150 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Mike-- Thanks for the input on hoses. I seem to recall a discussion about the Aqua Stop hoses, but don't remember if they received a thumbs-up from commenters. Various types of hoses are available at the Maytag site, but I haven't looked closely. I'll give the dealer a call to see what he has in stock.

He'll also need a longer cord for the dryer if it gets moved to the right to leave room for faucet access and the cart.

With installation scheduled for tomorrow morning, I'd best get my ducks in a row. Work is crazy and I have night gigs both tomorrow and Friday, so probably won't get a chance to run a load 'til Saturday. That's so wrong!

UPDATE: The Maytags and pedestals have arrived at the dealership! Tomorrow by this time they'll be in their new home. Should a rational adult be this excited about a washer and dryer, LOL?




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Post# 840439 , Reply# 45   9/9/2015 at 17:22 (3,150 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
Installation

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Definitely make sure they install the pair properly - you know, like don't let them remove the shipping bolts right on the street etc. Have heard too many stories about careless employees messing things up.

Post# 840453 , Reply# 46   9/9/2015 at 18:19 (3,150 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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The owner of the dealership and his assistant deliver and install the appliances. I'm confident he will be careful. Both small dealerships in this village provide excellent service. They can't afford the loss of even a few sales to bad word-of-mouth.

I hope I didn't jinx the delivery.



Post# 840455 , Reply# 47   9/9/2015 at 18:31 (3,150 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Who said we're rational adults?


Post# 840473 , Reply# 48   9/9/2015 at 19:50 (3,150 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Aqua Stop Hoses

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Never use these, for one thing they can not possibly prevent a flood unless someone cuts the hoses with a malachite. They will not stop water flow reliably with leaks of more than 4 gallons per minute.

 

BUT worst of all they often do shut down at random and then the washer will either not get hot or cold water, and often the user does not realize what is wrong and call for service and have to pay for a service call which would NEVER be covered by the warranty or even a service contract.

 

We have made THOUSANDS of dollars because of these stupid useless hoses that have probably never stopped a single flood.

 

John L.


Post# 840478 , Reply# 49   9/9/2015 at 20:40 (3,150 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)        
Floodchek hoses

I like Floodchek brand hoses. Had them on a Kenmore TL before I replaced it with a Miele. Now they're lying around in the basement.

Post# 840492 , Reply# 50   9/9/2015 at 22:12 (3,150 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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There may be some confusion here regarding hoses.

I think the hoses that John despises are the FloodSafe style that has an internal check valve that is supposed to close off upon high flow, theoretically ending a big leak. Of course a small leak will do nothing but cause a slower flood. You need an end to blow off for the check valve to close. The other issue is if the flow rate of the check valve is too slow and they close during normal machine operation.

The AquaStop hose appears to be an entirely different animal sold under the Bosch name. These have an outer hose that surrounds the inner pressure holding hose. Should the primary hose fail, pressure will build in the outer hose shutting off flow (in theory). Note I am only going by Internet info here, perhaps these are as optimistic as the FloodSafe hoses and have caused known issues too.

The FloodChek hoses are just a standard hose (no safety valves) and they appear to be of high quality. They aren't crazy overpriced either really. The ends appear to be machined rather then just rolled which is something I always look for in a good garden hose. These may well be some of the best hoses out there. At a minimum they are made by a company that is proud enough of them to put their name on them. "China" isn't a company name, but it is what we see on a lot of items today...

The Stainless braid vs rubber jacketed hose debate is silly. The stainless braid sure looks pretty, and it could provide a little extra abrasion resistance, but it really does nothing to improve the strength of the hose. The cloth braid molded into the rubber is plenty tough. Perhaps the best thing the Stainless braid does serve is to hide an inferior quality hose (See above mentioned China brand). Failures are most common at the ends anyhow so attention to detail on the connectors and the assembly work are paramount.

My suggestion would be to A. Buy a quality hose B. Install it properly C. Inspect it often for signs of stress, bulging ends etc. D. Replace them every 10 years or so. If your laundry isn't in a basement with a floor drain, shut off the supply taps for the peace of mind if that helps.

It would be nifty to have a solenoid controlled supply valve setup that has floor mounted moisture sensors. If they detect moisture they clamp off the supply. That could buy some peace of mind, especially with a laundry area on an upstairs floor of a home!



Post# 840503 , Reply# 51   9/9/2015 at 23:08 (3,150 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Yes, the AquaStop (Bosch) or WaterProof (Miele) hoses work together with the appliance and won't fit on the Maytag. They have one or two electric valves in them that open when the machine calls for water. Should the inner hose break, water be detected in the base of the appliance or an overflow condition occur, the valve(s) will prevent water from leaking onto the floor. This is usually backed up by a lifetime warrenty.

Post# 840504 , Reply# 52   9/9/2015 at 23:09 (3,150 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I'm getting standard hoses for the Maytags. I'll have access to the faucets to shut them off whenever the machine isn't in use. Best insurance against a hose or water valve failure.

Interesting: Was talking to a musician-slash-farmer friend today whose top-of-the-line GE (with the mega-capacity detergent dispenser in the pedestal drawer) had an interesting fail: A chunk of the concrete counter-weight (or whatever it's called) broke off, causing all sorts of noisy commotion. Not a full-on explosion, but close enough for rock-n-roll. What did he replace it with? One of Samsung behemoths (not the normal-sized 6300 I was eyeing). They love it--two kids in the house, so lots of laundry--but it's only about six months old; too early to gauge reliability and parts availability.

ovrphil-- I am not familiar with the discontinued 8000 series, so can't tell you about similarities/differences with the 8100. Sorry!

Phil L: Thanks for the tip on the heavy-duty surge protector. Haven't really had problems with power surges, but I agree that $30 is cheap insurance for a spendy, electronics-laden washer. Will invest in one soon.

I so wish I could have some time to play with the new washer before Saturday!  Am interested to find out how long the various cycles run at each soil level setting since the User's Guide provides no clues.  PowerWash cycle claims to provide a 'deep rinse' and a different wash action.  

 

Anyone know the maximum spin speed of the 8100?  Can't seem to find that information online or in the manual.  The TOL Whirlpool spins at 1400, but don't know if that goes for the 'Tag, as well.  Time for bed. Have to be up at 4:00 a.m.  Yikes!


Post# 840508 , Reply# 53   9/9/2015 at 23:42 (3,150 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
The hoses on my Duet

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are light gray with red for hot blue for cold writing and saying replace after 5 years. They are now 10.5 yrs old. I don't turn my water off behind them either but I'm going to try to start doing that. I'm mostly here all time but even if you're sleeping, can you imagine how much damage can be done with pouring water just in a matter of minutes? I can get behind my washer and dryer because they aren't pushed all the way so I'm going to try to start doing this. I just now went and turned them off and checked the hoses. No drips or weird looking spots on the hoses.........

LOL @ the comment - should a rational adult be this excited about a washer/dryer


Post# 840552 , Reply# 54   9/10/2015 at 10:18 (3,149 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
I didn't used to turn my water off

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I had braided stainless steel hoses for the washer, but when they installed the pair, they used a standard rubber hose to the steam dryer. That hose is the one that failed on Christmas Eve last year. Thank God and all that is good I was home at the time and heard the pop and water rush and was able to shut off the water with only about five gallons to clean up.

I now have braided stainless steel hoses on all applications, and turn the water off when I am finished washing. I can't imagine what a mess I would have had in that basement if that had happened while I was gone.



Post# 840565 , Reply# 55   9/10/2015 at 11:50 (3,149 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Looks like it happened to this lady

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and the back of her washer, I have those same side to side turn on/off blue/red off/on.



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Post# 840578 , Reply# 56   9/10/2015 at 13:02 (3,149 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I just ran home for lunch and the dealer was installing the Maytags. I saw braided stainless hoses hanging from the faucets. The dryer was already in place; I'm assuming he used the same for the hose to it.

Man, those machines seem like giants compared to the Frigidaires.

The washer was still covered and in the garage. As I was leaving, he said "I'll leave the shipping bolts in the pedestal drawer after I take them out." Sigh of relief. He's doing it all correctly.



Post# 840579 , Reply# 57   9/10/2015 at 13:05 (3,149 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
Hose for the dryer

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Such a silly sounding thing...

Mine has one too, although its pretty much permanently valved off.


Post# 840598 , Reply# 58   9/10/2015 at 14:24 (3,149 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I know, right? I use the Steam Refresh cycle every other day for two pairs of pants. Shirts are changed daily, but pants can often be worn three times with refreshing.




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