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Thread Number: 61800
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New GE Top Loaders |
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| Post# 844529 10/6/2015 at 14:35 (3,115 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 844543 , Reply# 1 10/6/2015 at 16:24 (3,115 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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TOL has the wash plate...would that make it, or at least suggest it to be, a superior TL wash technology at least in this application? Had they built a washer/dryer that worked/looked/presented as well as the cafe series refrigerator they make i might be sorry i didn't buy one instead of the SQ's we did buy. This post was last edited 10/06/2015 at 18:58 | ||
| Post# 844557 , Reply# 2 10/6/2015 at 18:17 (3,114 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
I'm actually really impressed from what I see. I'd love to see how it actually works. The machines themselves look nice, although I had to do a double-take to make sure they weren't Whirlpools. That dual action agitator does look very nice and sleek, and I've been talking for years about wanting an HE washer that gave the option to use more water. As much as I love my Bravos XL, I will say that's one of the reasons I also wish I had room for my traditional Whirlpool, for those loads that I'd feel more comfortable using more water with.
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Post# 844565 , Reply# 3 10/6/2015 at 19:09 (3,114 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Post# 844568 , Reply# 4 10/6/2015 at 19:22 (3,114 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 844569 , Reply# 5 10/6/2015 at 19:34 (3,114 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 844584 , Reply# 6 10/6/2015 at 21:39 (3,114 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 844602 , Reply# 7 10/7/2015 at 01:12 (3,114 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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| Post# 844628 , Reply# 10 10/7/2015 at 06:23 (3,114 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 844632 , Reply# 11 10/7/2015 at 06:33 (3,114 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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They are available | ||
| Post# 844640 , Reply# 12 10/7/2015 at 07:07 (3,114 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
These look so cool! | ||
| Post# 844642 , Reply# 13 10/7/2015 at 07:16 (3,114 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 844646 , Reply# 14 10/7/2015 at 07:35 (3,114 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Found this 8/20/15 article on the DOJ suit against the merger/acquisition by Elux of GE. Apparently, the DOJ's primary concern is the home builder market and competition among cooking appliance manufacturing.
Links at the bottom of the article include fears of Elux moving work to lower wage factories, promised savings from Elux of $50 million and the (obvious) fear and uncertainty for KY workers. I'm sure many can already see the writing on the wall. Employment, wages and quality go down, sales and profits go up. CLICK HERE TO GO TO gansky1's LINK | ||
| Post# 844648 , Reply# 15 10/7/2015 at 07:48 (3,114 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 844651 , Reply# 16 10/7/2015 at 07:56 (3,114 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I seriously like them. What's nice is that GE really has the consumer in mind. Instead of saying "Oh sorry, we're regulated and this is what you get", they say "Oh sorry, we're regulated and you get this STANDARD but if you want to add more water, just push this button". They def have the 1 up on WP in that regard. I bet you anything WP will add a feature for the user to add more water. I think that's the biggest complaint amongst these new washers is the low amount of water...whether you need to conserve or not.
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Post# 844656 , Reply# 17 10/7/2015 at 08:20 (3,114 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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WP does offer a Deep Fill option, at least on some of their machines across the brands. The question is, what is the level that the GE fills to? To the top of the basket?
I wonder if the auger does help move larger and more bulky items around better or it's just there to assuage the wary "old school" buyer that they are getting a washer that's familiar. They don't lock the lid for just safety reasons. I would hope it gives a better performance than some of the Bulky-Bedding cycle vids on YouTube of t/l washers that can't turn over a bulky item even once. When I had the Whirlpool wash-plate machine, the higher water level cycles worked fine with large loads, but a large volume of water for smaller loads let the clothes "float" on the surface of the water and washing performance was almost nil. Some of the top load machines from LG and Samsung fill completely on certain cycles, Bulky-Bedding, etc. but I've not seen one of these that has a specific "Deep Wash" or "Deep Fill" option. And then Bob's question is still pertinent, if the hot water is dumbed down to 100F or lower, what's the point of a tub full of cool-cold water? Perhaps for rinsing, which I would like the option of, but if you can't get hot water for washing - even tap temp at 120F filling a large drum like that would end up at least 20F degrees cooler by the time it's full. | ||
| Post# 844657 , Reply# 18 10/7/2015 at 08:27 (3,114 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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LG Top Loader | ||
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Post# 844658 , Reply# 19 10/7/2015 at 08:31 (3,114 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Dumbed-down: The maximum water temp of 105-110 degrees was one of two things that wound up being the deal-breaker with my Frigidaire Immersion Care. That temp is fine for many loads, but not heavily-stained loads of kitchen whites.
If you're wondering: The other deal-breaker was the lack of a true spin after the wash water drained. Again, no problem with many loads, but I use liquid chlorine bleach frequently; that was problematic. I had to catch the cycle right after the wash water drained, reset the machine for a spin, then reset it again for a rinse/spin. That became annoying very quickly. | ||
| Post# 844660 , Reply# 20 10/7/2015 at 08:36 (3,114 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Here we go... Video: Malcolm
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| Post# 844668 , Reply# 21 10/7/2015 at 09:44 (3,114 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 844679 , Reply# 22 10/7/2015 at 11:05 (3,114 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Samsung top loaders in non-American countries also offer freely adjustable water levels. In fact, it seems that only the NA versions have no water level selector.
The manual describes the GE's Whites cycle's temperature as follows: "Combines the hottest water temperature available (based on water heater setting) with longer wash periods to clean and brighten whites." Some of these washers also have a Sanitize with Oxi cycle, which probably also uses the hottest water the machine can get. | ||
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Post# 844680 , Reply# 23 10/7/2015 at 11:08 (3,114 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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From the manual describing the Whites cycle (models GTW485 and GTW460)
"Combines the hottest water temperature available (based on water heater setting) with longer wash periods to clean and brighten whites. It is recommended that a Oxi or chlorine bleach product appropriate for items being washed be used with this cycle to maximize whitening performance. For models on which there is no temperature selection on the control panel, this cycle provides a Hot wash temperature only." Is that what I think it is, a real hot wash? | ||
| Post# 844742 , Reply# 24 10/7/2015 at 19:28 (3,113 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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WP machines do have a deep fill option. My Kenmore version does too but it's only a single cycle. These new GE's allow you to add water to any cycle. According to the manual you can either have it add water in increments or simply hold the button and it will fill as much as you want. I assume it stops of course at a certain point. I guess we will have to wait and see if anyone buys one :)
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Post# 844753 , Reply# 26 10/7/2015 at 22:31 (3,113 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 844757 , Reply# 27 10/7/2015 at 22:59 (3,113 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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| Post# 844762 , Reply# 28 10/8/2015 at 00:28 (3,113 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
Miele WMV960WPS - Hot rinse option
I'm waiting for this to come out in Australia in November. The AUS model has hot and cold water connection and has the ability to do a hot rinse. The rinse temp is set to the incoming hot water temp if you are washing from 60 degrees Celsius or above. If you wash below 60 degrees the rinse water temp is the same as the wash water temp.
You can also now set the rinse water level to maximum and even adjust the Water Plus water level as well. | ||
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Post# 844789 , Reply# 30 10/8/2015 at 07:34 (3,113 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Yes, Joe, I think this GE looks far more flexible than most of the other brands out there now. If their Deep Wash switch can get a full tub of tap-hot water, I'd be willing to try it. I wonder how long this model will survive once the Elux deal gets finished? Get one now before they're gone!
Whirlpool had to do some brand and product restructuring when they acquired Maytag. For one, KitchenAid lost it's laundry line completely to ensure fairer competition among all brands. I'm sure there were other tweaks they had to make, but eventually the deal was done. No doubt it will be the same for GE/Elux as well. The smell of money isn't imaginary, there's always power and influence that greases the wheels of capitalism, usually quite liberally. | ||
| Post# 844790 , Reply# 31 10/8/2015 at 07:34 (3,113 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I imagine the DOJ has issues with it because neither company is in financial distress. I believe Maytag was when they were acquired by WP. Just like our airline mergers, they were easier to pass because of financial conditions that would help improve the company and save jobs. In this case though, it's def a concern for competition. I would be very happy to see GE keep their appliance division.
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Post# 844795 , Reply# 32 10/8/2015 at 08:13 (3,113 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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IIRC DOJ Did Have Issues With Whirlpool | ||
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Post# 845050 , Reply# 34 10/10/2015 at 00:38 (3,111 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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cycles and sounds I would like to hear what this washer will sound like. Does this washer have a darks cycle or is it labeled colors? | ||
| Post# 845070 , Reply# 35 10/10/2015 at 05:10 (3,111 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I would be very happy too | ||
| Post# 845084 , Reply# 36 10/10/2015 at 11:29 (3,111 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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i would love to see this new ge washer model in action like how it deals washing a full load of clothes the deep fill and deep rinse and are the wash water temp dumb down like for exemple if a true hot water wash is needed like bedding is the water hot 2 is warm warter mix with cold water ect and how do the stain pretreat works?
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| Post# 848897 , Reply# 37 10/31/2015 at 14:34 (3,090 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Took A Second Look
I was at Lowes this afternoon and decided to take another look at these newer machined by GE. I will say that they didn't seem as flimsy to me in the store as the above posted video makes them out to be. I expect these are more preferable to the cold washing machine recently released by Whirlpool.
Speaking of which, in the scratch and dent aisle, there were 6 of the new Cabrio knobless washing machines. All were customer returns. The cheapest was marked 349. Wonder if Whirlpool will get the message? Malcolm | ||
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Post# 848922 , Reply# 38 10/31/2015 at 16:58 (3,089 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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agitation action What is the agitation action going to look like? Is it going to be effective or just wimpy and weak? | ||
| Post# 849199 , Reply# 39 11/1/2015 at 22:53 (3,088 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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I was at Lowe's today too. They had all 3 versions. I gotta say, it seemed well built. I wasn't thrashing them around like in a certain video that was posted around here not too long ago. But they seem sturdy. Have a lot of features and a great price.
The dryers are made in Mexico now :( But i believe these washers are Louisville machines, which is nice. I think I like the idea of the middle tier model the best. Lots of functionality, deep water fill option. Dual stage agitator pole and wash plate for HE or traditional top load washing. The house I'm getting has the potential to nix a front-load purchase, with tight clearance of a water softener in the way. So if space is tight, I'd certainly put these new GE top loaders on my short-list. So far it's between these or a set of Maytag front loaders. We shall see. | ||
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Post# 849246 , Reply# 40 11/2/2015 at 09:02 (3,088 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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video. If possible, I was wondering if you could do a youtube video of these GE machines doing test loads. | ||
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Post# 849731 , Reply# 41 11/4/2015 at 11:07 (3,086 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Review | ||
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Post# 849738 , Reply# 42 11/4/2015 at 11:43 (3,086 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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Hmm... I have been dying to read this review. While it SEEMS very promising, there is no mention of Gentleness. Low water+short times+clean clothes=Gentle? I don't think so. Although, I am still shocked by these results. Someone needs to buy this machine and post vids ASAP! | ||
| Post# 849773 , Reply# 44 11/4/2015 at 16:46 (3,085 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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| Post# 849830 , Reply# 45 11/4/2015 at 20:07 (3,085 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Sweeeeeet! | ||
| Post# 849840 , Reply# 46 11/4/2015 at 21:20 (3,085 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Water fountain | ||
| Post# 849880 , Reply# 47 11/5/2015 at 05:58 (3,085 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 849927 , Reply# 48 11/5/2015 at 10:20 (3,085 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 849947 , Reply# 49 11/5/2015 at 11:35 (3,085 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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GE and F&P | ||
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Post# 849953 , Reply# 50 11/5/2015 at 12:33 (3,085 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 849955 , Reply# 51 11/5/2015 at 12:56 (3,085 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Sanitize with Oxi | ||
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Post# 849957 , Reply# 52 11/5/2015 at 13:04 (3,085 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 849959 , Reply# 53 11/5/2015 at 13:21 (3,085 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Oxy Clean sanitizes in hot water..... | ||
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Post# 849974 , Reply# 54 11/5/2015 at 14:48 (3,085 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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F & P frontload dryers | ||
| Post# 849983 , Reply# 55 11/5/2015 at 15:49 (3,084 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Dryer source | ||
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Post# 849999 , Reply# 56 11/5/2015 at 18:14 (3,084 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 850001 , Reply# 57 11/5/2015 at 18:24 (3,084 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 850003 , Reply# 58 11/5/2015 at 18:39 (3,084 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Well | ||
| Post# 850463 , Reply# 60 11/8/2015 at 12:42 (3,082 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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From the looks of the lower agipeller, I wonder if the load will still rollover from outside to middle, rather than reverse-blooming like low-water washers like Whirlpool's or F&P's. The humps on the plate don't seem to have "scoops" like mine does that push towards the center.
I almost wish my Cabrio-Bravos had a detachable upper agitator pole or something like the new agipeller washers, just for those comforter-quilt-blanket loads to make sure they couldn't stretch across the middle and cause it to ball up. | ||
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Post# 850549 , Reply# 61 11/8/2015 at 20:03 (3,081 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 850554 , Reply# 62 11/8/2015 at 20:19 (3,081 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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drive system Does this machine have a stator based motor or a belt driven system? What did the suspension system look like? | ||
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Post# 850772 , Reply# 63 11/10/2015 at 01:34 (3,080 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Riveted case-service from the BOTTOM???Beleive its going to be dumpster service for these machines!and the customer has to buy another one! | ||
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Post# 850789 , Reply# 64 11/10/2015 at 07:16 (3,080 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Actually... I think this will cut down servicing costs. Either pop of the control panel, or just tip it over. No panels to be removed. | ||
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Post# 850822 , Reply# 65 11/10/2015 at 10:14 (3,080 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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drive system Is this machine stator driven or belt driven? | ||
| Post# 850839 , Reply# 66 11/10/2015 at 12:23 (3,080 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Blooming | ||
| Post# 850888 , Reply# 68 11/10/2015 at 16:44 (3,079 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Start the belly aching... | ||
| Post# 850945 , Reply# 69 11/10/2015 at 21:33 (3,079 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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| Post# 850953 , Reply# 70 11/10/2015 at 22:52 (3,079 days old) by KenmoreBD (Mass, usa ) | ||
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Well in that video I will say that it is louder than the hydrowave. Which is whisper quiet during wash mode. So I must ask, is this some kind of new drive system? If so why GE? The system you had works good in low water? _Andy | ||
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Post# 851259 , Reply# 71 11/12/2015 at 18:34 (3,077 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE wash system What is the name of this wash system? Is this a belt drive or direct drive? | ||
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Post# 851389 , Reply# 72 11/13/2015 at 11:10 (3,077 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA) |
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Warm Rinse Is this the only new washer with a Warm Rinse Option? That is one of the reasons that I have not wanted to get a new washer. I probably will keep using the Maytag 2001 Orbital until it completely dies. But the GE looks interesting. Martin | ||
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Post# 851419 , Reply# 73 11/13/2015 at 13:19 (3,077 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Looks kinda similar to Whirlpool's belt-drive system, I think.
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| Post# 851491 , Reply# 74 11/13/2015 at 20:25 (3,076 days old) by KenmoreBD (Mass, usa ) | ||
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That looks different all together. No big pully near the motor. I cant tell if part 318 is a belt guard just like the Whirlpool. | ||
| Post# 851520 , Reply# 76 11/14/2015 at 00:48 (3,076 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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That breakdown looks IDENTICAL to Whirlpool's VMW, from the gearcase to that vertically mounted drain pump. Seems Whirlpool is definitely the popular girl at school because that particular design is a heavy influence with other companies. I remember even Speed Queen had a few behind the scenes pictures on Facebook and what do you know, my exact model WTW4800 is sitting in what looked like a test room. I do think SQ used it to improve the spray rinses, hence the angled fill flume, something that would help the Whirlpool. But that GE, on the other hand, looks like a flat out copy and paste.
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Post# 851830 , Reply# 77 11/15/2015 at 20:08 (3,074 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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laundry detergent and fabric softener dispensers I wonder if these new GE's have a laundry detergent and fabric softener dispenser. If so, where are they on the machine? How is it set up? Are they separate dispensers or is it a drawer setup? | ||
| Post# 852067 , Reply# 78 11/16/2015 at 19:27 (3,073 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 852098 , Reply# 79 11/16/2015 at 21:08 (3,073 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ) |
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@ KenmoreBD Yes, I used a GE Hydrowave for a couple of years... it certainly was quiet...Largely because it spent most of the cycle 'sensing'. When it finally did do something, it used about 2 cups of water. Struggles with that machine led me here. :-) | ||
| Post# 852104 , Reply# 80 11/16/2015 at 21:28 (3,073 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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sound does sound very similar to my 2010 VMW Cabrio if not identical-Cabrio might have a little more gear whine,but hard to tell from the video :) | ||
| Post# 852119 , Reply# 81 11/16/2015 at 22:07 (3,073 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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The video that lady posted seems to be in a near empty room, so of course sounds may be amplified. I do think her particular machine has that suspension creakiness that a lot of the front access machines and the HydroWaves had. The brake doesn't seem to hold the tub firmly enough.
Seeing as how this new GE is almost a carbon copy, sounds and all, to the Whirlpool, I will say that the WP sounds a bit more refined. I don't feel that my 4800 is noisy at all aside from the pump in the middle of spins, but that's to blame on it being vertically mounted to the bottom of the tub. Otherwise, the motor hum and gear whine sound more solid, if that's a way to describe it. Here's the video of mine from a while back. The laundry room was pretty empty back then without shelving and hanging clothes and a sectioned hamper to absorb noise, so it may sound a bit more "echoey", but still, I think it has a nice rhythmic tone to it. CLICK HERE TO GO TO murando531's LINK | ||
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