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Post# 847358   10/24/2015 at 15:27 (3,103 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

just picked up a dead 2010 whirlpool cabrio in very clean low usage condition-it's the belt drive washplate version(IIRC,there is a DD version-F&P style)will power up and see what it does if anything...can anyone report on how good a washer a BD cabrio is or any quirks?




Post# 847363 , Reply# 1   10/24/2015 at 15:49 (3,103 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
tried it

tried the cabrio and it will hum loudly for a second,then the lid lock and stop lights flash-the hum I think is the motor trying to turn,but though the tub turns freely the motor is disengaged and locked.

Post# 848982 , Reply# 2   10/31/2015 at 21:13 (3,096 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
might have bad triac

motor buzzes loudly,won't turn the tub,and gets hot fast when ran off the control board-runs good and spins the tub right up when ran straight off the line with a cheater cord.Ohming at the motor plug,triacs-one for each directon-do not check shorted,but one might have a dead SCR- trying to drive the motor with pulsed DC instead of AC.BTW,motor is a 1/3 hp split capacitor Emerson.

Post# 849012 , Reply# 3   11/1/2015 at 00:25 (3,096 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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I can't speak directly for the belt drive Cabrios, although I do have the direct-drive inverter Cabrio (Bravos XL) with the recirculating pump, and I love it to death. I do also have a Whirlpool WTW4800 in the garage, which is the agitator version and looks just like the older direct drive Whirlpools, except that the drive mechanics are entirely identical to the Cabrio you just acquired. I've never had the slightest problem from that washer, and does a very good job with cleaning, rinsing, and extraction, and because it has a manual water selection and fills to the very top on the Super setting, it's probably the last true conventional washer Whirlpool made.

The control board is the first thing that comes to mind for your machine if the motor turns fine with a direct feed, though I've heard some weird issues with these that end up being the capacitor. I'd imagine the constant reversing of the motor for agitation could be more strenuous on that particular part. I could be wrong though, and there are many here that will know for sure. Good luck :)


Post# 849014 , Reply# 4   11/1/2015 at 00:42 (3,096 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
bad cap found

initially,when the motor would not run even with belt off,i thought the motor cap might be bad,but cap checked ok and a substitute 50 uf did no better.however when the control board was removed and examined,a 1000uf 6.3v capacitor-C182 was found to have heated up and vented off,it was a cheap china brand capacitor-probably got "leakey"and heated up-will replace this with a quality replacement,perhaps of higher voltage rating,and try washer again.

Post# 849079 , Reply# 5   11/1/2015 at 10:29 (3,095 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
looking good!

replaced that capacitor and seems all ok now-no flashing lid lock light,and motor silently creeps the tub around at startup-time to get it position for a test wash :)The other capacitors on the circuit board are matsushita brand and look fine.

Post# 849114 , Reply# 6   11/1/2015 at 15:42 (3,095 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
fixed.

ran a test wash on "heavy duty"cycle and worked great-seems to do a good wash job,two different strokes of the agipeller are used-most of the time ~450*,but at certain times near the end of a wash a stroke of around 270*is used.Two different spin speeds are used.Eager to see what happens with different cycles and loads.

Post# 849123 , Reply# 7   11/1/2015 at 16:24 (3,095 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Cool. Pease post some pics if possibe so we can picture what this machine looks like.


Post# 849153 , Reply# 8   11/1/2015 at 18:41 (3,095 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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Awesome!! My only beef with this design of the Cabrio (VMW) is the lack of a recirculator pump. That, and the fact that the motor can't actively sense and adjust each agitate stroke like the inverter motor of the Oasis Cabrios. But all in all they aren't bad machines at all, so long as you follow the user's manual.

A tip from experience, should this become a daily driver: While not entirely necessary, you'll get better rollover if heavy fabrics like jeans and hoodies and whatnot are separated from normal weight clothes. Towels, on the otherhand, are what these machines excel at surprisingly. I think the weight and consistency are what helps them move so freely against the washplate.


Post# 849167 , Reply# 9   11/1/2015 at 19:32 (3,095 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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have learned with the first generation of Cabrio belt drives has been to pour a gallon of water evenly over the load before starting, it tricks the machine into thinking its a heavier load and adds more water....

the direct drive, for one, incorporates a waterfall sprinkler, but also uses plenty of water....

kudos to Gansky for the vid....







Post# 849237 , Reply# 10   11/2/2015 at 07:51 (3,095 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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What's the point of an 'automatic' washing machine when you have to manually add water in order to get clothes clean? Maybe the members here think this is OK but does the general public really want to do that?

Post# 849248 , Reply# 11   11/2/2015 at 09:10 (3,095 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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grated, not the best or convenient solution for tricking the washer.....but when you come along with some machines that you cant open up and make an adjustment, sometimes we have no choice....

the general public, probably not, but then again, there are a number of ones looking on YouTube for solutions to getting more water in those machines, just as ones looking to override the lid switch and other features....

sure the manufacturers are making changes for either adding more water, a waterfall, or unique technique for washing in low levels....but for the first generation users who are having concerns, these may be their only choices......not like most can dump 600.00 for another machine, hoping they give better results...

just like I had to rig up the Frigidaire with the balloon to add more water, and disconnect the sensor to give a hot wash......the newer ones now added a sprinkler, and heat options, that's great they recognized an issue and corrected it, but what about us who own these older ones....we do what we got to do to get by until it bites the dust.....sad part is, even though it may be a better model, can't say that I would buy it again....


Post# 849344 , Reply# 12   11/2/2015 at 18:45 (3,094 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
odor problem

soon after placing the cabrio into service,a stench was noticed-thought odor was from cat box,but my nose directed me to the cabrio-anyone got any special methods to deodorize a stinky washer? Had a 1984 24"KM DD with this problem,i just ran some hot detergent rich loads and odor eventually went away...that is one disadvantage of plastic outer tubs-plastic is microporus and can retain odors more than a metal tub.My cabrio is a wtw5640xwo.time for more experimentation(with detergent rich loads) :)

Post# 849367 , Reply# 13   11/2/2015 at 20:10 (3,094 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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There is no telling what could be lurking behind the scenes left behind by the other user's habits. My advice would be a Clean Cycle or two with bleach, but if the machine were in my hands, I'd search on the backside of the front panel (you may have to dip your head in upside down and look just beyond the top of the tub ring, on the lefthand side of the cabinet) and see if the service diagnostics booklet is still there. In there, you'll find the manual diagnostics sequence, and the instructions on how to manually control every component of the washer at will. If it's not there, I'm sure Google will be the next best thing.

If I recall correctly for that version of Cabrio, if you press any of the buttons, soil level, wash temp, spin speed, etc., in a 1-2-3 fashion, repeating that three times, you should see the control panel light up, and you'll be in service mode. I could be wrong though, because the WTW4800 requires you to turn the cycle dial right-right-right-left-right to enter the mode, and the Bravos XL requires pressing a single button for 3 seconds on, 3 secs. off, three times. All are Whirlpool machines but with slightly different logic boards.

At that point, you could manually fill the tub with true hot water up to the top of the basket and turn on the long stroke agitation to stir up the water pretty well without having to get your hands in. As long as you don't let the diag. mode time out on its own (5-10mins I believe), and instead just press and hold Cancel, you should be able to let the machine sit and soak for as long as you want without it performing the "safety drain". Unplugging it could also work, but I'm always leery of just jerking the plug out, considering the electronics on board.


Post# 850016 , Reply# 14   11/5/2015 at 20:01 (3,091 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
I hate

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plastic tubs!  I'd use some bleach, bleach, and more bleach....and hot hot water....and did I mention bleach?  When I rebuilt my sister's GE I dumped a whole bottle of Pine-sol in it with hot water.  I had scrubbed it while I had it apart, but it still stunk.  It certainly smelled better after the Pine-sol!




This post was last edited 11/05/2015 at 20:42
Post# 850045 , Reply# 15   11/5/2015 at 23:00 (3,091 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
service manual

service manual was found in location stated upthread :) Will run some cleanup loads this weekend...


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