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Thread Number: 62164
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modern washers and dryers rant |
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Post# 847681 , Reply# 1 10/26/2015 at 09:53 (3,097 days old) by GELaundry4ever  (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Stupid electronics! The electronics will fail! They use so little water to clean anything! Who owns them? China? | ||
| Post# 847684 , Reply# 2 10/26/2015 at 10:16 (3,097 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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HE washers... Hehe,will se what happens when I have my whirlpool cabrio fixed-it's an HE washplate type top load that many reviews saw is a pretty bad washer :) some say it is great though... will see once repair done and it is in use :) | ||
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Post# 847686 , Reply# 3 10/26/2015 at 10:52 (3,097 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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Post# 847688 , Reply# 4 10/26/2015 at 11:00 (3,097 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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I completely agree! I absolutely agree with you! LG and Samsung have no business making washers and dryers! | ||
| Post# 847733 , Reply# 5 10/26/2015 at 16:31 (3,096 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
I just bought a nice near mint set of GE Filter Flo's mostly because I've always wanted them! I have to agree that a lot of new washers have questionable reliability. Having used my Kenmore 28102 (Cabrio) for several months, I can def attest to it's cleaning performance. Granted not all of the HE's clean as well as this one...but I have no complaints and no regrets in buying it. There are plenty of older appliances with electronics that continue to chug along for years, but I get leary of them myself. That's why I picked the Hydrowave, because it has minimal electronics.
Unfortunately like I've said before, most people don't want an old appliance. Really it's been like that for decades. Housewives in the 1970's didn't want to use a washer from the 50's...they wanted a nice new Lady Kenmore ;-) Products have changed but consumer buying habits really haven't. | ||
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Post# 847746 , Reply# 6 10/26/2015 at 17:01 (3,096 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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lg and samsung LG and Samsung have no business making washers and dryers! They fail from a few months to a few years! They will always destroy themselves! They are the worst washers and dryers I have ever seen! | ||
| Post# 847884 , Reply# 8 10/27/2015 at 06:46 (3,096 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Well stated Bud! As much research as I've done in the last year since I really got into washing machines again, I've determined that most of the problem is user error. Honestly right now on the market I think most any machine is good...the bugs have been worked out of a lot of machines...really even in the last several months. WP's new HE impeller and HE agitator models really do look good and many improvements have come with them. Now GE's new machines too...fantastic from what I can see (I haven't tried them).
Biggest issue is getting people to understand how they work and reading the instructions. Unfortunately they days of when every machine basically did the same thing, are gone. Most of the people buying new machines now have been using the same type forever. Laundry isn't "fun" for them like it is for us here. They don't want to spend an hour reading the owners manual or understanding how their machine works. They just want to throw ALL their laundry in one load and have it come out sparkling clean. Really what they want is a 10 cu ft Speed Queen...LOL. | ||
| Post# 847885 , Reply# 9 10/27/2015 at 06:54 (3,096 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
Ugh. Please don't use (bordering) 'racist' as an economic argument. The race which designs and builds appliances is the HUMAN race.
They/we do so today under a different set of economic imperatives than in the 'vintage' days. To an aficionado, the results can vary from mildly disappointing to total POS. Trust me. I worked for Dell in the transition days between 'make it bulletproof' to 'make it fail as shortly after warranty as possible'. I detest this economic philosophy as much as anyone but for the foreseeable future it's here to stay. I'd say it IS possible to 'do more with less' but that's not going to be possible as long as the first corner they cut is engineering. Yes, raw graduates are cheap to hire. But as anyone knows who has worked around them, it takes more supervision to get usable work out of them than it would have taken to pay someone who knows what they're doing in the first place. And I feel VERY safe saying that the sharpest engineering graduates do NOT go into the appliance business any more than the sharpest medical graduates go to work for the VA. Skipping a great deal of dissertation, you can't expect results comparable to vintage from a Walmart economy. | ||
| Post# 847894 , Reply# 10 10/27/2015 at 08:52 (3,096 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
Words of Wisdom
Thank You Qualin!
I 2nd everything you said. I hate LG and Samsung too. I think their machines are stupid and I don't like them encroaching on the US market. But that's my issue. My aunts have an LG laundry pair, and they work perfectly fine. Word of the wise to Mr. GELaundryForever. If you wan't to convince anyone in an argument, refrain from using words like "always" and "worst/best" and "ever." Unless you're talking to the Trump/Carson crowd, you've totally lost people you're trying to persuade without good reasons and evidence. | ||
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Post# 847896 , Reply# 11 10/27/2015 at 09:09 (3,096 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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Housewives & Buying Habits, Post 847733 Reply #5: Like what was stated there, no housewife in the '80's would want a machine stuck in the '60's Peace Sign, 'Have A Nice Day', 'Hell No We Won't Go!' stickers and all!
But likewise, buying habits bought and brought a lot of welcome features to many a happy home--even with or without the necessary/unnecessary repairs...!
It is a tradition that needs to continue--and there should never be a deviation in quality or safety standards no matter where in the globe a product is built, used or bought...
Long Live!
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| Post# 847898 , Reply# 12 10/27/2015 at 09:18 (3,096 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Thanks Dave! ;-) It's weird how perceptions change (or really don't) over the years. I was born in the mid 70's and have only vague recollection of our life then. I do remember my mother LOVED Whirlpool appliances...but they weren't WP's from the 60's , they were brand new. Even as an older kid in the 80's I honestly can say I don't ever remember seeing an "old" washer anywhere. We lived in my grandmother's house and she had a new set of Kenmore's. Even back then the old folks complained about how awful new things were...and now we are saying how wonderful those "new" old things are in comparison to what we have now. LOL. It's just human nature I think...we have no say in how things are designed so we complain when something new comes out and it's not as good as what we had before. I don't see that changing.
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| Post# 847917 , Reply# 14 10/27/2015 at 11:28 (3,096 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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aaaaand here's where you lose all credibilty from me: | ||
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Post# 847919 , Reply# 15 10/27/2015 at 11:49 (3,096 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 847924 , Reply# 16 10/27/2015 at 12:27 (3,096 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Just my rant... I am just ranting because it is true. It is stupid to put steam in a dryer! They make steam on their own! Dryers should dry, not iron! | ||
| Post# 847929 , Reply# 17 10/27/2015 at 12:52 (3,096 days old) by yoblount (TX) | ||
Opinion 
"Just my rant..."
You are completely entitled to your opinions. I, myself, love my HE washers and dryers. I have a Kenmore branded LG front loader and Samsung front loader w/ matching dryer. Love them both! This dryer is by far the best dryer I have ever owned. My mother loves her Whirlpool Cabrio. It's going on 8-9 years old and never damaged any clothing. Always produces great results despite some of her questionable laundry habits. Only repair to this machine was replacement suspension rods last month because they were becoming loud. New designs and engineering that are able to accomplish the job with fewer resources is a good thing in my book! | ||
| Post# 847931 , Reply# 18 10/27/2015 at 13:31 (3,096 days old) by mr_b () | ||
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It is a good thing that they don't employ the same engineering quality principals used in the development of washing machines to the development of aircraft and automobiles. | ||
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Post# 847935 , Reply# 19 10/27/2015 at 14:14 (3,096 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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'corse they don't... No lives depend on the working or failing of washers, and they don't cost several tens of thousands of dollars, or even a few million... | ||
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Post# 847945 , Reply# 20 10/27/2015 at 15:09 (3,096 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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washing quality HE washers clean better? Yeah right! What do your clothes get washed in? Diarrhea? with all that leftover sludge! | ||
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Post# 847947 , Reply# 21 10/27/2015 at 15:16 (3,096 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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build quality The tubs are flimsy! The dispensers are cheap! There is no real motor - just a toy ones! They will rust out quickly! That is why they are the worst I have ever seen! They are just high tech toys! That's just what they are! | ||
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Post# 847949 , Reply# 22 10/27/2015 at 15:18 (3,096 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Well, if you wash your laundry in that pure sludge (which is made up of probably less then 5% matter related to the human digestion system), you sure won't get clean clothes. If you however use a machine correctly, you won't have to worry about sludge, dirt, mold, etc. and so forth... | ||
| Post# 847950 , Reply# 23 10/27/2015 at 15:22 (3,096 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 847951 , Reply# 24 10/27/2015 at 15:22 (3,096 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Not fast enough to respond... Cheap: maybe. But that is it: They are cheap, thus they are allowed to be cheap. You know what: They HAVE dispensers. That is something they have ahead of old washers. Toy motors: Well, you never even seen or thought about what a direct drive inverter motor can do. These things have power, and a way higher torque then some other traditional motors. | ||
| Post# 847962 , Reply# 25 10/27/2015 at 16:12 (3,096 days old) by yoblount (TX) | ||
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Plastic tubs | ||
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Post# 847963 , Reply# 26 10/27/2015 at 16:12 (3,096 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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GEE....the same could be said for some people.....
loud, obnoxious, rude, belligerent, opinionated, ain't worth a damn...... sort of alike a slinky, not good for much, yet brings a smile to your face to see one tumble down a flight of stairs... thousands of machines built, barely 3 or 4 with issues on youtube.......doesn't change my mind from owning one... besides, if they truly didn't work, wouldn't they all be returned!.... reason 673 as to why some people should never reproduce!.... | ||
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Post# 847965 , Reply# 27 10/27/2015 at 16:26 (3,095 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Quite zynical, but still enjoyable. Good job Martin! Funny enough, I just had my mind walk around "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" and the Syrius Cybernetic Cooperation. Some machines just never get their heads around humans. And vise versa. | ||
| Post# 847972 , Reply# 28 10/27/2015 at 17:10 (3,095 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
I think I've heard enough about HE washers ALL being pieces of junk, about "how dare GE stop making the FilterFlo, who do they think they are?, and about Whirlpool's dishwasher motors sounding like a GE Potscrubber to last me more than a life time. I feel like the half the threads on the forum have been those topics over the past few months. I'm all for enthusiasm and passion, but there's only so far a subject, or subjects, can go.
Just remember that for every new post created, an old one falls off, deleting what could be valuable information that has been covered in the past, all to create a separate rant about something that could have been added to an existing post. | ||
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Post# 847974 , Reply# 30 10/27/2015 at 17:29 (3,095 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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The difference between real front loaders and HE If you go to a Laundromat, the front loading washers fill up with water and wash your clothes like they should've been done! If you watch Harley's hangups modern washers and dryers, you will know what I'm talking about. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
| Post# 847975 , Reply# 31 10/27/2015 at 17:32 (3,095 days old) by washerdude (Canada ) | ||
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@brucelucenta I couldn't have agreed more. Our FL is now a year old and there are no smells or mold growing anywhere. | ||
| Post# 847978 , Reply# 33 10/27/2015 at 17:57 (3,095 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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That said, I'll input on the subject what I've said before in the recent past...
I used to be against HE washers, as well as "resource-saving" dishwashers, for the longest time. I loved the machines I had grown up with, the Whirlpool PowerClean, the Maytag-Voyager I have, the KitchenAid Superba top loader from my childhood, the Lady Kenmore my grandmother had, etc. I couldn't bear the thought of those machines being altered to use less water and to work differently, because I felt there was no way they could get any better. I had an opinion against new machines and new technology because of what I had heard and what I had seen through videos, most of them being users that were unhappy with the machines. So of course, the worst was brought out. We all know that the first people to review a product are the ones unhappy with it, and we all know that the majority of our society couldn't care less about how their clothes or dishes are washed, so they're not likely to post a video of the machine properly working the way it was intended. That's why searching YouTube for videos of these machines is a bit of a chore, because you have to filter through the repair videos, and videos of the machines malfunctioning and hearing commentary from the user about what a "piece of crap" it is. It is those videos that I can no longer take seriously, because upon paying close attention you can usually deduce that it was user error or neglect in the first place, more often than an actual design flaw. Anyway, moving on.. I had no right to have the opinion I had against newer machines because I had never taken the chance to experience them or learn about them. That changed just less than a year ago when my Maytag Bravos XL was brought into my home. Long story short, the one HE washer design that intrigued me and impressed me from what I had learned about it, through its design and engineering history, was Whirlpool's Oasis model, also known through its cousin Fisher&Paykel SmartDrive. A chance came up for me to buy a new machine, so I took the plunge. First few days was a learning curve, but almost a year later, I wouldn't go back to a normal top-loading washer for anything in the world. Despite the lower water levels this machine uses, I've had no reservations to pile clothes in to the brim of the basket, as filthy as they can be, and with no problem whatsoever (so long as the clothes are loosely piled around the basket, with just enough of a tiny "donut-hole" in the middle so that nothing will spread across the washplate during the presoaking spins) every load I've washed has been cleaner and more thoroughly rinsed than it would in my traditional Whirlpool. More so, the machine does an excellent job rolling over even the largest of loads when instructions are followed on loading, and the load is so nearly dry because of the spin speed that drying time is cut nearly in half. In all honesty, there's no more effort that has to be put into the process of doing laundry than there was with "traditional" machines, except this machine, to me, is much more fun to watch. I plan to keep this washer until it practically crumbles into the floor. Yes, there is a lot more plastic in machines these days than in decades before, and yes, I do feel there could be an improvement in the build quality of certain components, but overall I've fallen in love with the washer, and it has renewed a desire to try new technology and machines again, so much so that I actually would love to have a new Whirlpool or KitchenAid dishwasher, and even finally bought a brand new car that is designed and built better than the previous one I had that I was convinced couldn't be beat. Yes, there are HE washing machines, dishwashers, dryers, etc., that have not done well. For example, despite their cosmetic similarities, the VMW version of the Whirlpool Cabrio and its Maytag and Kenmore clones is VASTLY different than the true Oasis design like my Maytag and @joeypete's Kenmore. The VMW's didn't fare as well, specifically from the lack of a recirculation pump and the lack of the direct drive inverter motor. TRUST ME, I'd choose the "toy" inverter motor, as you called it, over any other. I've been infinitely impressed at the sheer amount of torque and power this thing has without the need for gears or pulleys. The point is, there will always be the good and there will always be the bad. You can't round up an entire category of products into one pile and dismiss them as junk. It is perfectly fine to have passion and enthusiasm with opinions, and in my own opinion it's preferred because it makes debates here quite interesting, and I've learned so much myself in the time I've been here. But don't try to start these bashfests about things without at least trying them yourself or listening to others that have, and bring something more to the table than repeating rants that are nothing but vague insults and accusations that are not confirmed or factual. | ||
| Post# 847981 , Reply# 34 10/27/2015 at 18:00 (3,095 days old) by mjg0619 (Scranton, Pennsylvania) | ||
To throw in my two cents, I personally prefer doing my laundry "old school". That is precisely why there is a Newton Maytag washing machine sitting in my laundry room.
With that being said, if I did not have access to that Maytag when the DD Whirlpool decided to take a dump, I would have strongly considered an LG front loader. I've had the opportunity to play with several different brands of HE washer through local friends and relatives and the LG machines, by far, are my favorite HE machines. We are ALL entitled to our own opinion. However, we are NOT entitled to rant, rave, carry on like an infant, insult people or their preferences of laundry equipment. I think it's high time certain people on this forum started to act their age instead of their shoe size! | ||
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Post# 847984 , Reply# 35 10/27/2015 at 18:04 (3,095 days old) by kimball455 (Cape May, NJ) |
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GE's rant
Due to a remodel I replaced my Duet stacked washer and dryer with stacked LG. The old Duet pair went a good home and are happily being used after I used them for about 10 years. The new LG are great machines. While I do not typically use cold wash I did experiment with it due to the multi motion capabilities of the direct drive motor. I was rather impressed with what the cold wash managed to do. The washer has a good selection of options and I use all of them.The boost heat sanitary is great for the cat beds and towels especially beach towels. The high speed spin really reduces dryer time. The dryer is gas and is fast. I have never had a load 'over dry'. The dryer runs a check to make sure that the vent is clear before it starts. A really innovative safety feature. The washer has a magnet catch option to keep the door slightly open when not in use. Did not have any kind of mold, odors, etc. with the Duet and have not had any with the LG. All in all, the innovation from virtually all of the front load manufacturers is to be praised. I have not desire to go back to the wash the whites first in the wringer and then progressively dirtier laundry that my Grandmother did with her Thor nor to the huge water users top loaders (other than at a WashIn). I have been using front load washers for over 20+ years and have no complaints. Also, there is no way I could use a reasonably sized top load in my kitchen laundry space. I did have an apartment size Kenmore top load with its matching 120V dryer mounted on a stand over it for a period of time but in the same space I now have large extremely capable and flexible LG machines. I do not find any problems with the capabilities or engineering of my LG machines.
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Post# 847987 , Reply# 37 10/27/2015 at 18:21 (3,095 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Still not convinced? Still not convinced? Here is another video for more proof. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
| Post# 847988 , Reply# 38 10/27/2015 at 18:29 (3,095 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
why do my sister in law wents that kind of washer
why do my sister in law wents that particular kind of washer this i do not know they have a perfectly good direct drive 1993 kenmore washer that they could ask a tech to restore for them repaint change the agitator for an agitator with fabric sofner dispenser here is a pic of there actual washer and dryer its not the matchiong dryer to there washer but it do a better job than these cheap models that they would went to return and exchange before the first use sigh
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| Post# 847989 , Reply# 39 10/27/2015 at 18:31 (3,095 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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That video, along with many of your posts, have not convinced me nor anyone here of anything, simply because there is still nothing to prove the insults and accusations you make about the broad subject of "HE" appliances. The person in that video went to an appliance store and took video of opening the lids. Okay. I can do that right now at the Lowe's five minutes away. But does that tell me how the machine will perform? Does that show me how the machine works? Can I take bags of my dirtiest laundry into Home Depot and wash it in the floor models? No, no, and no I cannot.
Again, everyone here is entitled to opinions, and what's more, we LOVE to have intelligent debates on the hows and whys of new machines vs. old machines and everything in between. What we DON'T love however, are the frequent threads being created with no intent but to slander against products without having personal experience with them and then insult anyone who has a different opinion and completely ignoring everyone else's input in the process. I, for one, am growing tired of it saturating the thread list. | ||
| Post# 848000 , Reply# 40 10/27/2015 at 19:11 (3,095 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
I partly disagree with OP
I can only attest to longevity of my HE FL washer (duet) which is going on 11 yrs old, but a lot of the new HE washers do clean well. I will admit I'm not a fan of the TL HE washers, even though they do look super cool! As for the longevity I'm sure we can all agree they won't last as long as vintage washers (relatively speaking), because some of the vintage ones did have issues! Honestly, I was expecting my Duet to be dead years ago. I was VERY UPSET at first when I saw how little water it used, but as I used it and got the feel for it, I went from hating it to loving it.
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Post# 848001 , Reply# 41 10/27/2015 at 19:15 (3,095 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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Any one that has ever used one KNOWS this is the ONLY way to actually do laundry... None of that HE BS or fancy schmaltzy electronics. You can custom tailor the cycle to the garment and the soil level too!
Still these are a bit too modern to me. A good flat rock in a fast flowing stream rinses far better!
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Post# 848013 , Reply# 42 10/27/2015 at 19:57 (3,095 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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fail! Even when used properly, they will fail at cleaning! CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
| Post# 848017 , Reply# 44 10/27/2015 at 20:05 (3,095 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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K-Mart underwear! | ||
| Post# 848019 , Reply# 45 10/27/2015 at 20:09 (3,095 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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well KMART sucks! | ||
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Post# 848030 , Reply# 46 10/27/2015 at 21:04 (3,095 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 848031 , Reply# 47 10/27/2015 at 21:06 (3,095 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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Hi frig! | ||
| Post# 848033 , Reply# 48 10/27/2015 at 21:24 (3,095 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Sam the Eagle has it summed up.... | ||
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Post# 848034 , Reply# 49 10/27/2015 at 21:25 (3,095 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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it is what it is....call it like I see it!
your right.....he's got his finger stuck, but its not in his ears....
excuses and opinions are like assholes, every ones got one!....in any case, just blowing hot air!, out of either end!... so guys, has any of this changed your minds?.....which do you dislike or leaving a bad taste in your mouth now, LG?, Samsung?, any HE machine?......or the OP? don't get me wrong, we love a good debate over machines or anything laundry, look forward to reviews by a members getting a new toy, and the pros and cons they have experienced....that's the key word, experience.....about the only thing this one experienced is learning to surf YouTube... not a village our there laying claim to this idiot....their too embarrassed! | ||
| Post# 848036 , Reply# 50 10/27/2015 at 21:57 (3,095 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
I don't normally comment on these stupid threads (no insult intended toward you Jerome), but Bruce, here's the deal and you used the phrase yourself. "I did buy the service contract with them, just in case." Let's see. The phrase "buy the service contract". Let's examine this "service contract" terminology, shall we? I don't know exactly when this "service contract" phrase came into existence but I know it wasn't around 40 or 50 years ago. If I recall correctly it's only appeared in the last 15 to 20 years or so and more so in just the last ten.
The companys selling these "contracts" are doing so because they can no longer guarantee that their products will last. Products such as washers, dryers, cars, lawn mowers and so forth are considered "durable goods" or at least they are supposed to be. Several decades ago these products were durable with quality built in and came with good guarantees. There was no "service contract", there was no need for a "service contract" and no one had ever heard of a "service contract". These contracts are offered because companys know these products are of low quality, there is little or no quality control on the line, there are no unions in Korea or China or where ever the hell this shit is made so no pride is built into the product to begin with. They know the product is most likely to fail. The first crime is selling low quality products to an unknowing public to begin with. The second crime is selling "service contracts" on durable goods that are expensive, should last and should have a strong guarantee to begin with. The third crime is producing this junk, as it depletes our natural resources and pollutes our planet. There is no energy or resource savings in durable goods that needs constant attention or replacement. Why is there such an upsurge in interest in AW if people aren't tired of the new appliances that don't last? There is no rebuttal to this debate. You ended any logical response to this statement with your "service contract" remark. Those two words proved the point. I'm not attacking you personally, Bruce. I'm trying to impress on people in this forum that these these energy star gadgets that break down frequently, use little water or supposedly perform other little feats of magic are not going to save the planet or save anyone any money in the long run. It's just corporate chicanery that many people have fallen for. But, on a more personal note, it doesn't seem logical or economically sound to buy a new huge capacity washer and dryer just to wash a king sized comforter. Maybe try a smaller bed or try layering with regular sized blankets or quilts that will fit into a normal sized machine? And last of all, please quit saying, "Buy a front load washer and come into the 21st century", when others mention a vintage machine. People that are mentioning vintage machines are usually in the "Imperial" section, or they should be, and aren't interested in your front load/21st century comments. | ||
| Post# 848038 , Reply# 51 10/27/2015 at 21:58 (3,095 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
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| Post# 848040 , Reply# 52 10/27/2015 at 22:05 (3,095 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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| Post# 848042 , Reply# 53 10/27/2015 at 22:12 (3,095 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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| Post# 848044 , Reply# 54 10/27/2015 at 22:26 (3,095 days old) by brucelucenta () | ||
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Just a lot of crazies that refuse to accept we are in the 21st century is all that's going on. | ||
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Post# 848048 , Reply# 55 10/27/2015 at 22:43 (3,095 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 848049 , Reply# 56 10/27/2015 at 22:44 (3,095 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
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| Post# 848063 , Reply# 59 10/27/2015 at 23:55 (3,095 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
Good Lord, GE!
Why pop a gut over a machine you don't own? Why do you care what machines other people buy and use?
I have an LG front load pair and they are the best machines I have ever used. I work in a gym as a trainer and am on a sports team that practices twice a week. Believe me, I throw some very dirty, sweaty clothes at my machines and they come back perfect. They breeze through quilted king size comforters, saving me big dry cleaning bills. On what personal experience are you basing your hissy fit? This is America and we are all free to choose whatever type and brand of washing machine and dryer that we want. | ||
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Post# 848064 , Reply# 60 10/28/2015 at 00:23 (3,095 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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my mom's lg My mom has an LG pair from 2007 and it runs flawlessly. With that being said, it may not last for 15 years. I may be lucky if the pair lasts 10 years. I guess my mom and I have been some of the lucky few who have had the pair for 8 years compared to the majority. | ||
| Post# 848070 , Reply# 62 10/28/2015 at 01:07 (3,095 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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Why throw a tantrum about the "possibility" of them 'not lasting X years'? All man made products have an expiration date, some nearer than others. Trust me, I'd be willing to bet that there have been quite a number of GE FilterFlo's, Whirlpool PowerCleans, Speed Queens, etc., that bit the dust far sooner than they ever should have, and some less than 5 years at that. I'm no fanboy of LG, and most assuredly Samsung, as they clone their machines majorly from LG and the other companies, BUT they do have products that outstand others and turn out to be very well performing and very reliable machines. I know of two LG sets among friends and family that are over 10 years old and still haven't missed a beat. LG's front loaders more specifically have gained a nice reputation, and their design has been improved upon but not altered much in the past decade or so. So it isn't fair to write them off entirely.
Nor is it fair to write off an entire fleet of "HE" labeled machines just because of what you've heard from a few people and a handful of YouTube videos. You're right that "a lot of people have had numerous problems with HE washers and dryers", but there are also that many more people have have had great results from them and wouldn't trade them for a thing. As for the LG that your mom has that apparently has been running with no issues at all for 8 years, count that as a testament to how the company and the engineers were successful for something, instead of betting on its faults and counting down the days until it does fail just to try and prove the point that everything eventually breaks. | ||
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Post# 848081 , Reply# 65 10/28/2015 at 06:44 (3,095 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I think we don't always on this forum understand that there are people participating here with limited skills in communication and/or limited in understanding things. That's why it's good to have some patience with some people. It's also a reason why threads can explode. Read between the lines and you might be able to see what's going on.
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| Post# 848086 , Reply# 66 10/28/2015 at 07:07 (3,095 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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There is indeed a wide variety of people and personalities in here and I def try to respect that. What irritates me is when people only listen to what they want to hear. Searching for videos or reviews that back up their claim that something sucks. Then someone like me, who posts videos and comments on how WELL a product works and I get ignored. It's really just a very narrow minded way of looking at things. I totally respect people liking older products, but to spend your life (what it seems) ranting about how awful new things are, just isn't mentally healthy.
There is a plethora of used washing machines out there to keep anyone who doesn't like new ones, happy. You say all new products suck? Then why did you buy a new Speed Queen? Because not all new products suck...pick what you want and zip it! That's my last 2 cents on the topic ;-) | ||
| Post# 848094 , Reply# 67 10/28/2015 at 07:49 (3,095 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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| Post# 848124 , Reply# 68 10/28/2015 at 10:28 (3,095 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Engineering
Like a couple have already said, there's almost always a reason engineers do something a certain way.
I'm an engineer myself, and the final solutions that make it to the products on market, might very well be NOT the best solution. It might've been our 2nd or 3rd choice. Based on variables outside of our control or time/manufacturing constraints. Another constraint on engineering, which happens all the time......is MARKETING AND FINANCE. The engineers might have a much more elegent solution to a problem, or a design, but they might be hamstrung to go a different way, because it might shave several pennies from the margins, or make manufacturing "too expensive." In other industries besides aviation/heavy industrials....those marketing and price restrictions happen ALL THE FREAKIN' TIME. I'm bogged down by them in fire safety (sleep well! :D ) Go look at the GE dishwashers on sale now. A majority of them have had the upper 3rd spray arm removed for a "sprinkler head." Likely due to cost cutting. I'm pretty certain the engineers intended that spray arm to stay there. But were overruled by accounting to "boost margins." My point is, like earlier stated, because you think something is STUPID on a product, there's likely a reason, or several reasons behind it. And there's a good chance that engineer is NOT sleeping well because they don't like that solution either. Cheers. | ||
| Post# 848140 , Reply# 70 10/28/2015 at 12:39 (3,095 days old) by Dewey643 () | ||
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I have to agree with beekeyknee in Reply number 50(Post 848036)! Enough said! Myself,I didn't buy a "service contract" with my new Speed Queen set. Why? Didn't need one! | ||
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Post# 848166 , Reply# 71 10/28/2015 at 15:33 (3,095 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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I can understand your point. I can understand your point, but from what I heard, Speed Queen is the only real new washer and dryer left. That's just what I have heard. I have yet to test the new ones out. | ||
| Post# 848176 , Reply# 73 10/28/2015 at 16:48 (3,094 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 848226 , Reply# 76 10/28/2015 at 19:36 (3,094 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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I don't blame you! I don't blame you one bit! I have seen what these new ones do! Exception: Speed Queen! | ||
| Post# 848249 , Reply# 78 10/28/2015 at 21:42 (3,094 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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question what do you know about these new machines have we seen videos of these so call he top load no we have not and speed queen test there machines before they go on the market, i think there will be lots of search on craig list or use appliance store for vintage washer dryer sets this also includes ebay
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| Post# 848295 , Reply# 80 10/29/2015 at 07:40 (3,094 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Yes it's all about competition. Alliance, as odd as it seems now, really is catering to a "niche" market now. A market that doesn't want anything fancy and modern. Granted their sales have taken off because of their reliability and probably due to the fact that there are still a lot of Americans (and Canadians) that want a top load machine with agitator. Actually that was why GE designed their new machines the way they did, because people still want that agitator!
A lot of the issues the HE machines have I think are pretty isolated and though not always, due to user error. Of course you always hear about those stories instead of the ones like mine that praise how well something works. I'm not sure about Speed Queen, but most other manufacturers make their parts to be replaced not repaired. While reading up on my Filter-Flo there was an article from about when their "new" machines came out in the 90's and how the components could not longer be rebuilt. Basically you throw away a broken transmission and buy a new one. Honestly I'd be surprised if you could rebuild any of the components in a Speed Queen either.... Case in point...my coworker just bought a new Samsung gas stove. She noticed that the burners did not change between medium setting and high setting. Her husband used to repair appliances so he knew that it needed to be adjusted. They have propane so he suspected it wasn't set right. So they call Samsung for a warranty repair and right of the bat they told them they would just send them a new stove. A NEW stove...they had theirs for like a week and that was the only thing wrong with it. They didn't want the expense of sending a repairman out to adjust the burners, instead just send a whole new unit. Samsung in particular (from what I've read) prefers just to give you a new ---- instead of repairing. Throw away products. I suspect if you call even GE or WP they would send someone to look at it. While great, it makes it clear how they think of their products. Kinda sad really. But to be fair too, manufacturers do what their customers want. Everyone is in a hurry these days. Do you want to wait a week for someone to come and fix your dishwasher? Or do you want to go online to Sears, Home Depot, etc and just buy a new dishwasher and have it delivered within a day or 2. No one wants to wait for anything these days. I want it NOW!! | ||
| Post# 848314 , Reply# 81 10/29/2015 at 08:50 (3,094 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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FWIW A friggin washing machine should not be so complicated that poor results are from "user error". User error, as a reason for something not working, can apply to a lot of things. Washing your darn clothes should not be one of them. | ||
| Post# 848317 , Reply# 82 10/29/2015 at 08:54 (3,094 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I know huh? You can't really do "mindless" washing with HE machines...well the top load ones anyhow. Because they clean differently you have to really pay attention to how you load them and what the load consists of. Pain in the neck I know, but I truly think that's why some people have problems with them.
Another coworker of mine lives with her sister and she bought a new Samsung front loader (they had a pair of Neptunes before). Her sister wouldn't let her do her laundry until she showed her how to use the new machine. LOL. I thought that was funny. However FL's are more forgiving and I think a better choice for people who don't want to put much thought into doing laundry. | ||
| Post# 848329 , Reply# 83 10/29/2015 at 10:08 (3,094 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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throw away
joeypete and qualin, you're 100% correct from what I've learned.
Home Depot and Lowe's don't want to sell products so bad, that customers will return them in large numbers. It eats at their profits, and causes lost customers. In fact, an awesome salesman at the Naperville, IL Home Depot, told me that they've certainly had difficulty with LG and Samsung. He said that tradition would be for companies like GE and Whirlpool to stock replacement parts for all their machines for about 7-10 years. He said LG and Samsung stock NO parts, and they redesign most of them every 2 years. So if you have a broken LG washer that's 3 years old, there's a good chance there are NO parts for it. LG will send you a new machine. IF they so choose to cover it. So what Lowe's and Home Depot have had to do, is stockpile tons of parts with their in-house coverage services, so there's at least some parts availible for the most issue-prone components to satisfy their customers. They LOVE selling the glitzy, high margin Samsung and LG stuff, especially because the companies throw TONS of marketing money at them. But as a business, GE and Whirlpool are by far still the better companies to deal with. This actually happened to some friends with a 2yr old Samsung dishwasher. The drain motor died, and there were NO Samsung parts! The repair man had to find a similar after market drain pump. Jeez! | ||
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Post# 848481 , Reply# 85 10/29/2015 at 22:45 (3,093 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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GELaundry4ever, How many different brands and models of high-efficiency washers have you used and tested to verify your claims? How many buckets of water are you having to dump in to get the clothes underwater and attain some remoteness of clean? You've had feds in your laundry room? What did they do in there? What did they say? | ||
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Post# 848482 , Reply# 86 10/29/2015 at 22:51 (3,093 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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| Post# 848484 , Reply# 87 10/29/2015 at 22:54 (3,093 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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| Post# 848544 , Reply# 90 10/30/2015 at 09:33 (3,093 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 848550 , Reply# 91 10/30/2015 at 10:01 (3,093 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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washman
Yes, "user error" can apply to anything and unfortunately that includes washing your clothes when people do not know how to operate machinery correctly. I have an example to share of user error featuring a basic, old-fashioned agitator washer. No load sensing or selecting proper temp and speed for the user here.
Years ago a friend of my son's was staying with us. He literally packed our top loader full of clothes and neglected to change the water level from "minimum" where it had been set during the previous load. He then started the machine on the longest cycle. You can imagine the results. Damaged clothes and I believe a damaged machine -- the transmission blew a year later on a five year old machine. He told us something was wrong with the washer -- complaining that only a few clothes were even wet when he took them out in knots and detergent was still sprinkled on the top of the load! I could have crowned him! That was before the days of You Tube and iPhones, so he wasn't able to make a video of his experience. LOL | ||
| Post# 848552 , Reply# 92 10/30/2015 at 10:03 (3,093 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
 Much like the dishwashers we discussed on another thread, I would say that newer HE type washers are an adjustment for some from the high dillution top loaders of yore.
When reading through the threads on this site you will see that other countries that have adopted HE machines much earlier than us are quite happy with their results.
Anything we purchase has a different feel. Some quality has been lost, some have improved. Take cars for example. In the 50s and 60s we had all metal bemouths that weighed close to three tons and had all the safety features of a toaster in the bathtub. Those cars could take a hit, kill all their occupants and still look good.
Now we have a lot of plastic, aluminum, and fiberglass. These cars are designed to crush, disipate energy away from the occupant cage and let the passangers survive instead of the car.
Which is better built? Open to interpertation. So are modern appliances worse than vintage? In terms of durability, yes. We all know that a washer used to last 20-25 years, now the average is seven. Are electronics the doom of the industry, or do they help you customize, and better the performance?
Past generations had to boil their water in a tub in the yard, scrub their clothes on a scrub board with home made lye soap and dry them on the fence regardless of the weather. Thank God we have moved beyond that. I remember my Grandmother, who never had an automatic washer until 1974, complaining that "That Norge uses too much water." "I could do all my washing in that amount of water, now it takes all that for each load." Times do change.
It can get frustrating that we can't have everything remain the same, but we have to make some movement to reserve or maintain our resources or the restrictions will be even worse for the next generation. | ||
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Post# 848566 , Reply# 93 10/30/2015 at 10:51 (3,093 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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GELaundry4ever, I understand now. You have not used any HE topload washers to get personal hands-on experience on how to make proper use of them. You don't know for sure that buckets of water need to be added or how many buckets are required. Your complaints are based only on what other people have said and what you've seen in videos made by other people who possibly were not loading the machine correctly or using the wrong cycle for the load type. Have a great day! | ||
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Post# 848592 , Reply# 95 10/30/2015 at 11:55 (3,093 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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I decide! I decide what load size, water temperature, spin speed, and cycle I need, and still come out cleaner than these overrated HE top load washers! I decide! Not the machine! Top loaders trying to be front loaders! Fail! | ||
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Post# 848618 , Reply# 96 10/30/2015 at 13:06 (3,093 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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Jerome,
Does your key board have one of these keys? You inability to end a sentence without an exclamation point greatly undermines any (remaining) credibility that you may have left...
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Post# 848645 , Reply# 97 10/30/2015 at 14:38 (3,093 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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I do research. I research consumer reviews and they are true. There are numerous problems with most modern washers today. Here is an example a website with complaints.. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
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Post# 848654 , Reply# 98 10/30/2015 at 15:01 (3,093 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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I do research. | ||
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Post# 848658 , Reply# 99 10/30/2015 at 15:04 (3,093 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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I research consumer reviews and they are true.What is your research method? You have personally contacted the consumers who wrote the reviews? You went to their homes, observed their laundry habits and methods? You confirmed they are using the machines properly and never get even one clean item? Or, you have built a test laboratory and have bought samples of several machines of various brands and models? You have run numerous loads of different sizes and fabrics and garment types to confirm the machines always fail? Hands-on testing is the only way to 100% confirm! | ||
| Post# 848661 , Reply# 100 10/30/2015 at 15:06 (3,093 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Online customer complaints and videos are NOT research.
They're qualitative data at best. What YOU think is "stupid" is a great idea to someone else. The majority of people today are MORONS when it comes to home appliances. Sure, they can work an iphone....barely. But if you want to witness the "intelligence" of the general public with washing machines? Go sit in a laundromat. If 80% of GE, Whirlpool and Samsung's customers are happy, then these companies are elated. A Maytag rep told my Home Depot guy that their new dishwashers have an 80% satisfaction rate. With the vast amounts of water, soap, soil and human abuse these machines have to go through on the open market, Maytag is THRILLED that 80% of sales are to happy owners. And that's for the modern, efficient dishwashers you rant about till you turn blue. All your screeching is simply your qualitative opinion, and carries no weight compared to the scientific initial quality and endurance tests by Reviewed.com and Consumer Reports. There's an entire tresure trove of mechanically inclined appliance users, collectors and engieers on this site, and they're all saying the same things. But you won't listen. Check your ego at the door please, and LISTEN to what these people have to say. | ||
| Post# 848666 , Reply# 101 10/30/2015 at 15:19 (3,093 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I just did my weekly laundry in my "new" 1987 GE Filter-Flo washer and I love it and glad I have it now. However my clothes did NOT come out any cleaner than they did in my Kenmore 28102. Only difference was the amount of lint on my clothes was less because of the Filter-Flo. Cleaning performance was identical...and that is with whites too.
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Post# 848695 , Reply# 102 10/30/2015 at 17:15 (3,092 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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consumer affairs I read complaints about the HE appliances on consumeraffairs.com. The only brand that has very little, if not 0 complaints is speed queen! | ||
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Post# 848706 , Reply# 103 10/30/2015 at 17:52 (3,092 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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"I read complaints about the HE appliances on consumeraffairs.com. The only brand that has very little, if not 0 complaints is speed queen!"
This proves NOTHING!! Do you make ANY consideration that there are thousands of times less Speed Queen machines out in the World??? Therefore assuming problems are equal between brands there should be a proportionate reduction of negative reviews. Once again, using reviews on the Internet does not give an adequate sample to judge quality with any statistical accuracy. | ||
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Post# 848717 , Reply# 105 10/30/2015 at 18:17 (3,092 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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front load I can understand that front load washers tumble clothes through water. That is the only HE washer I will ever get if I want to use less water. if I want a HE top loader It will be GE with a glass, because it has a circulation pump that actually saturates clothes. I expect it to do the job the first time correctly, not 4 times. | ||
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Post# 849169 , Reply# 106 11/1/2015 at 19:37 (3,090 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Post# 849172 , Reply# 107 11/1/2015 at 19:50 (3,090 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 849251 , Reply# 108 11/2/2015 at 09:42 (3,090 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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washer problem I think somebody has a problem with their washer, because the cycle dial was broken. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
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Post# 849259 , Reply# 109 11/2/2015 at 11:16 (3,090 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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| Post# 849265 , Reply# 110 11/2/2015 at 11:44 (3,090 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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| Post# 849267 , Reply# 111 11/2/2015 at 11:50 (3,090 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I've yet to see one of these "videos" posted that displays anything other than a user that has made no attempt to learn how to properly use their machine.
Maybe I should fight fire with fire by posting incessant YouTube links to videos of washers that ARE working correctly, to balance out all these negative lashings as of late. | ||
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Post# 849270 , Reply# 112 11/2/2015 at 12:12 (3,090 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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He probably is pressing the power button. The video doesn't clearly show that side of the panel, but there's a musical chime in both instances immediately before the indicator lights turn on so something is triggering that to happen. On the first attempt, he turns on the Power, cranks the dial, presses the Start button twice, then there's another click (Power button) and the lights turn off. Second attempt, Power on, cranks the dial, then presses Start again and a couple of the other options buttons. | ||
| Post# 849271 , Reply# 113 11/2/2015 at 12:55 (3,090 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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Bogus trolling it would appear. I am starting to wonder if some of these guys are paid for their efforts. Destroying your competitors rep with cheap videos and false testimony spread through social media would hardly be a surprising tactic given how effective it can be. Happens with every new iphone released, a stupid cottage industry sets about creating a meme to try and sink it. | ||
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Post# 849294 , Reply# 114 11/2/2015 at 15:17 (3,090 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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what is lost, or one has failed to see.....is the 'credibility' of the person making the complaint of damaged goods.........
I have a neighbor complain on Angie's List about a repair guy, who smelled of smoke from a cigarette when he entered her home.....BUT, made no mention that she has about a dozen cats, all living inside, and you can smell THAT from the outside......I never enter the home, my eyes water too much!!! like I said, 'CREDABILITY'..... same could be said for individuals here, many have been seen, met other members......and yet some hide....those seem to be the ones who rant the most.....ironic?.....much help has been given me by other members, if I can't help that person, at least I try to help the next person along.....its give and take.... | ||
| Post# 849337 , Reply# 115 11/2/2015 at 18:12 (3,089 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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This may be relevant to this post, and maybe not, but I find it interesting that you'll hear this kind of resistance and negativity with anything when it comes to a major change, whether it's cars, appliances, electronics, etc. I remember my Granddad telling me years ago as a kid about the changeover from the belt-drive design of the Whirlpool and Lady Kenmore to the Direct-Drive mechanism. He was close friends with a service technician at Sears, who at the time of the transition heard numerous complaints from salespeople, technicians, and customers alike, about why in the world Whirlpool (or Sears, for those who didn't realize who ACTUALLY made the machines) would ever abandon a design that worked so well for so long, and swearing that the new DD would never be reliable or be able to clean like the belt-drive Lady Ks. Little did they know, the DD design would spend the next 20+ years on the salesfloors of appliance stores in various styles and colors, and even longer in consumers' homes as they still are a common washing machine to find in laundry rooms today.
Granted, those people didn't have websites to jump on and scream from the mountain about their disappointment, nor did the ones who welcomed the change. A lot has to do with nostalgia and sentimental value in older designs. Most people don't like change and it takes a while to warm up to new ideas, and to accept that maybe there is a better solution than the beloved washer (or car, computer, whatever) that they've grown so accustomed and attached to. Of course, it's not at all fair to instantly dismiss or discredit something just because it's new or different, and you can't really form a solid opinion on it without first trying it out for yourself. Many times, I've heard countless negative comments and reviews on something, only to try it and fall in love. My prime example is the Cabrio-Bravos XL sitting in my laundry room now, but that also has applied to music, movies, cars, restaurants, etc. Maybe that makes me an "idiot sheep", maybe not. But I assure you that I'm not walking around in dirty, sludgy clothes, I've never had to pour a bucket of water into my washer, and my laundry room hasn't been torn apart by a runaway washing machine yet. | ||
| Post# 849427 , Reply# 116 11/3/2015 at 00:15 (3,089 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
I am not here to rant. I go by my own experiences and the main problem causing customers to become hatefull toward front loading washers is common stupidity AND ignorance because, if they would just sittheir asses down and READ the USE AND CARE INSTRUCTIONS,they'd know to leave the washer door ajar to eliminate ANY CHANCE OF MILDEW OR MOLD to grow, how to maintain the machine clearing out the button trap on a month to month basis, change the inlet and drain hoses every five years, Do not wash tems with oil base stains like auto fuel or motor oil OR put them in a clothes dryer. They'll catch on fire, using the correct wash and rinse cycles,spin speeds and temperatures not just cold wash/cold rinse.and NEVER OVERLOAD . Ive seen so many folks overload their sets and causing havoc in repairs. This is why so many of the idiots who insist on buying them just for recognition they're ritch,are.bb he bitches who complain they got ripped off. I have had Westinghouse, White Westinghouse, Easy, Kenmore/Whirlpool, Maytag Neptune/Maytag, Matag Neptune/Samsung, Philco of Italy, Asko, Sears Kenmore/Whirlpool, Sears Kenmore/LG, Montgomer Ward Signature/Westinghouse,Montgomery Ward/Frigidaire and Frigidaire/Electrolux brands since I began collecting them and am totally converted to LG as my favorite current manufacturer of ALL major appliances and audio video and media products. I could give a rats ass where they're made ( hopefully not in US , I visited the old Mansfield Westinghouse factories in 1973 and half the guys there were drunk or on Heroin. It completely changed my taste for American made appliances. Run down, broken line equipment and low life union employees.) due to past experiences receiving damaged merchandise at,Bernie and Harrys, I became a bit more familiar with rthe Maytag line and would stay on the floor and off the phone. The other two guys would be smoking their cigs and biting nails to the quick from angry customers they sold the Kelvinator, Gibson and Tappan products to. Id sell FRIGIDAIRE, Amana, Whirlpool and Maytag an stayed with them till GM slams car door on FRIGIDAIRE APPLIANCES was typed on our ticker tape machine.I went home and cried once I heard that not only did GM sell the best appliance maker but they kept the Dayton factories,just selling the brand name rights to WCI .
Bud, I agree with you. The rant begun here sounds like there may be a few Prejudiced people here that hate Asians. I don't understand it. I believe they're jealous. The only information ,other then hunreds of letters from my LG buyers I sold to,is my reading Consumer Reports,having my own five different models of LG appliances,mostly laundry,and repairs Ive seen and done, makes LG the most dependable,great performing,easy to use, easy to maintain, handsome and fun to watch appliances of today. Had the American manufacturers done their jobs with pride,not greed,we'd have been way ahead of everyone. Dont forget, Bendix made the first,original automatics. They were front loading and had the button catcher. The LGs are a bit similar but have a tilted tub and three,not for fins. They spin so fast and use less water. Had Proctor and Gamble done the right thing with HE detergents back when Tide came out, front loaders here wouldn't have been a "new idea". It amazes me how many people assume front loaders are a new invention. What are our schools teaching ???? | ||
| Post# 849448 , Reply# 118 11/3/2015 at 02:40 (3,089 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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My issues with American brands of appliances is the cheap as,thin metal,nonporcelain,cheap ass paint jobs. I call the Whirpool and their affiliates " The rust buckets" they rust in months and are the most common brands you'll see less then a year old at, the local dumps here and in Florida I went to. Their customer service sucks and it looks like FP now makes their P.O.S. Cabrio s. The ELECTROLUX machines are also a joke however, their top loading full size stacked set has a nice ss tub and a nice lppk but,we know it's far from best. The GEs are questionable due to their current "FRIGIDAIRE FRIENDSHIP" . I'm certain that EL.will do away with many of the Louisville plants and,build new ones as needed. LG is a big company and their cs is great. I used to have many issues before but,they actually have improved ten fold. Parts readily available,fast reimbursement of warranty calls and great training if need be on new product service tech.
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Post# 849487 , Reply# 119 11/3/2015 at 10:06 (3,089 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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only modern laundry machine worth buying There is one brand of washer worth buying along with its sister dryer. I am never going to buy a high efficiency piece of garbage ever in my life. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
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Post# 849489 , Reply# 120 11/3/2015 at 10:12 (3,089 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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video of my lg However, I have a video of my lg doing a full load of my dark clothes. Sorry for the poor quality video. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
| Post# 849491 , Reply# 121 11/3/2015 at 10:13 (3,089 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Post# 849492 , Reply# 122 11/3/2015 at 10:32 (3,089 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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nothing against anybody I have nothing against anybody. I just think the design and build quality is questionable. | ||
| Post# 849579 , Reply# 123 11/3/2015 at 17:57 (3,088 days old) by washerdude (Canada ) | ||
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The new GE HE toploaders only take 34 minutes now....whats to complain about that.. CLICK HERE TO GO TO washerdude's LINK | ||
| Post# 849718 , Reply# 124 11/4/2015 at 10:10 (3,088 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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I watched/read some of Reviewed's "great American washer" articles and vids. I gotta say, I'm impressed with these units. If I have to go top load due to space issues this winter, I'll definitely consider the mid-level GE washer, with the corkscrew post. These are looking nice! I think they'll sell well.
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| Post# 849723 , Reply# 125 11/4/2015 at 10:20 (3,088 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I'm impressed with them as well. Thank god they didn't continue to use the upper corkscrew design from the past machines. This new one looks much more sleek, as does that new fabric softener dispenser.
I'd like to see what cycles and settings they used for that 34 minute wash time. The Bravos -can- run a Normal cycle in 49 minutes, but that's with the Spray Rinse setting, and with medium soil, so basically default eco settings. Most top loaders default to such a cycle, but I only even remotely trust one that has a recirculation pump. Mine will do a fresh water spray, then drain, then add water until it can recirculate without sucking air into the pump, and does that for a few minutes. Sure, everything gets saturated well, but I still only trust it for light loads where detergent dosage could be decreased. I've tested with such small loads and it rinsed exceptionally well, but for large or heavily soiled loads I'd be more comfortable with the normal rinses. Still, 34 minutes is a full 15 minutes less, so it's impressive, so long as the cleaning and rinsing results are good. | ||
| Post# 862458 , Reply# 127 1/17/2016 at 23:34 (3,013 days old) by A440 () | ||
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You are very, very special to us! Thanks for your input and all you do!
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Post# 862466 , Reply# 128 1/18/2016 at 01:55 (3,013 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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I realize these newer machines aren't well built--but have you tried them?Yes,I will only buy SQ if I am going to buy new-meantime-will nurse my older machines along and shop for appliances at the Dixons Swap Shop! | ||
| Post# 862529 , Reply# 130 1/18/2016 at 10:28 (3,013 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I know, how terrible. My washer explodes every day and I have to pick up all the little pieces and put them back together, it even explodes when I'm not washing anything that day! Using all that super glue and duct tape is expensive.
And silly me, I walk around all day with dirt ground into my clothes like a dummy. That crazy washing machine, I tell ya. But I am still waiting for you to post those pictures of all the HE washers you own and have experience using. You must have quite the collection from the sounds of it. | ||
| Post# 862550 , Reply# 133 1/18/2016 at 11:46 (3,013 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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| Post# 862554 , Reply# 134 1/18/2016 at 12:18 (3,013 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Energy Star
LOL!
OMG this s*&t is too funny. If you do not have an HE top loader, Jerome, how do you know it takes 2000 cycles to clean 1 load of clothes? The average cycle time is about 45 minutes. 2000 cycles would take 62.5 DAYS in a row. I'm guessing by (and I'm being conservative) that the load would be clean before the 45th day. However, that is provided that your HE top loader does not completely explode before then :) Seriously, where do you come up with these BS facts? And did you study Energy Star criteria in Energy Management class in college like I did? Huh? What? I can't hear you over the explosion of my 2015 front load washer! | ||
| Post# 862560 , Reply# 135 1/18/2016 at 12:48 (3,013 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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Look at it, exploding as we speak. All over the place.
And that pile of raggedy, ground-in dirty towels that are covered in 2000 cycles worth of mud and poop from this horrible HE washer. Covered in rips and tears and holes all over the place. ***actually in all seriousness there is one towel, under the light blue one on the right stack, that the seam is loose on, and has been for YEARS. That towel is as old as I am as it's from a set my mom bought when I was a baby. That damage was actually from all the runs through our KitchenAid Superba, Maytag Atlantis, and the Whirlpool VMW; the Bravos-Cabrio hasn't torn it a bit. But you know..I must be wrong, since Jerome seems to know all about it. *sits patiently, still waiting for him to post pictures of all the HE top loaders he has used himself* 
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Post# 862589 , Reply# 137 1/18/2016 at 14:45 (3,013 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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So, reviews are true? laundry.reviewed.com/... www.lg.com/us/washers/lg-WM4270HW... | ||
| Post# 862591 , Reply# 138 1/18/2016 at 15:02 (3,013 days old) by mjg0619 (Scranton, Pennsylvania) | ||
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If you really want to be a water hog, then I suggest you start doing all of your wash by hand. You'll use GALLONS upon GALLONS of water soaking, washing, scrubbing, rinsing, softening, and rinsing some more!
Jack up that water bill! Use all that gas or electricity to heat the water to whatever temperature your little heart desires! Burn off all that pent up energy scrubbing all those dried on spots off your tighty whities! THEN you can be environmentally friendly and hang your clothes out to dry! (Over exaggerated use of exclamation marks done to make a point of just how ridiculous this whole thing is) As a courtesy to our original poster, I've included some photographs of the items and methods he might want to brush up on. PLUS it will cost him less than ANY washing machine! | ||
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Post# 862592 , Reply# 139 1/18/2016 at 15:10 (3,013 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Videos are proof so perhaps someone with an HE toploader or frontloader can produce a video showing how much water is used for a full cycle, from dry clothes loaded to end of final spin, by directing the drain hose into a collection tub and then measuring out the collected water by an 8 oz. cup to confirm that the total is one 8 oz. cup. :-) | ||
| Post# 862596 , Reply# 140 1/18/2016 at 15:46 (3,012 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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90% of the "videos" available to watch are from people who haven't a clue what they're doing with their machine in the first place, and are complaining about problems they clearly caused themselves by ignoring the user manual.
Reviews for most high efficiency machines are actually very high, and it's usually very easy to tell who is trolling just because they want something to complain about, or who obviously doesn't have any common sense and shouldn't be using the machine in the first place. It takes quite a bit of scrolling to find negative reviews that actually seem legitimate; i.e. ignoring people who use terms and phrases like "just a piece of junk" or "always/never". There are a lot of people who prefer top loaders that use a lot of water, and there are a lot of people who love their top loaders and front loaders that use less, but for the most part there is respect from both sides with the understanding that both types of machines do their jobs and it's strictly a matter of personal preference. No one goes around name calling and bashing and trolling countless posts just to rant about the same thing over and over again. | ||
| Post# 862602 , Reply# 141 1/18/2016 at 16:16 (3,012 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Online Reviews
I cannot stress this enough. The vast majority of online reviews, like many others here have said, are full of CRAP.
I was heavily researching dishwashers/washers/dryers for months, and hardly found any machines with anything good to say. HOWEVER, when you talk to technical people, smart people, associates at the stores, they will tell you that the actual reliability and satisfaction of these new products is very high. Like 80% plus. THOSE are the people I choose to listen to. Not some moron on Youtube railing on and on about his machine because he's an idiot. ALSO, local water conditions have a huge effect on performance. It's practically a law of physics that online reviews are almost purely complaints from angry people to vent. | ||
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| Post# 862629 , Reply# 143 1/18/2016 at 18:15 (3,012 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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Also, if I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure the new Cabrio design actually uses MORE water than the Oasis design did. At least it sure seems to, because it gradually adds water throughout the wash until their practically floating, and there is no longer a spray rinse. Even the water efficiency rating was lower than my Bravos XL. If I can find the real comparisons I'll post them.
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Post# 862654 , Reply# 144 1/18/2016 at 19:40 (3,012 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI) |
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I'm used to all the water my SQ uses and that still looks like a lot of water to me! Barely 1 cup of water my @$$. | ||
| Post# 862665 , Reply# 145 1/18/2016 at 20:17 (3,012 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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GELaundry4ever
GELaundry4ever,
you need to realise that high efficency washers are here to stay, you might not like those kind of washers but by the time my mom and i will have replace or 2004 whirlpool duet set i have been doing research on the curent models 20015 2016 line of washer dryers and since my mom and i are looking to have a stack washer dryer planing on sticking with a front load washer if you went a non he washer you will have to look on craiglist for models dating 1950 to 1999 vintage and good old fashion direct drive washer dryer and learn how to restore them and do annual maitnance. Because maybe by next year 2017 there might not be many non he toploads on the market only he topload washers. | ||
| Post# 862824 , Reply# 146 1/19/2016 at 10:41 (3,012 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
not sticking up but
having a w/p duet pair since 2008 (which are now both pushed in a corner)they were the biggest pieces of crap I ever owned,error this error that & the dryer that had to be vacuumed every 2 months(cause of lint buildup)not to speak of the long drying cycles,im glad to have the speed queen set faster washes quick drying times & clean clothes,thats what their suppose to do,oh & the duets are for sale,any takers ? oh and by the way I have never needed a wash stick to push my clothes down into the water!(as seen in vid above)LOL
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Post# 862876 , Reply# 148 1/19/2016 at 16:29 (3,011 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Speed Queen for me! I will only go with speed queen. Why? Because it actually washes like they should! They use decent amounts of water unlike these treehugger machines! | ||
| Post# 862886 , Reply# 149 1/19/2016 at 16:48 (3,011 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Times change Technology changes, we adapt.
Some feel that the wringer washer was the best in washing and water conservation. Some still use these machines and are very happy with them.
There are some that would rather cook on a wood stove than a modern electric. Others don't like hauling the wood and getting up an hour earlier each morning to boil water for their coffee (they don't like microwaves either).
What I found when I adopted a front load Maytag six years ago is: 2. The difference I notice in the cleanliness of my clothes is they are cleaner, less pretreating. 3. I am using less water (almost 3,000 gallons a month less). 4. I am using less detergent.
Rinsing, is up for debate, but I can add extra rinses; still sometimes feeling a good soak in the tub rinse would be better.
Longevity--I sincerely doubt todays electronic laden machines will live much beyond their planned life cycle.
We either choose to adopt new technology, or we stay vintage. There is nothing wrong with either option.
Now excuse me I have to stoke the fire and get Pa's supper ready before he brings the horses out of the field.
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Post# 862898 , Reply# 150 1/19/2016 at 17:37 (3,011 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I agree: To each his own. I prefer a modern front-loading HE washer---mine also happens to be a Maytag. Others would rather beat their clothes against a rock than use an HE washer. I get frustrated when people's rants are filled with inaccuracies, but such is life.
I realize I'm the fish out of water, here. AW was made by and for people into vintage machines. While I appreciate vintage appliances, I have no desire to own one, primarily because I haven't the skills/inclination to keep one working. The repairs/rebuilds undertaken by members are astounding; the collections magnificent---but I'll always be an observer when it comes to vintage appliances. | ||
| Post# 862903 , Reply# 151 1/19/2016 at 17:53 (3,011 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 862912 , Reply# 152 1/19/2016 at 18:19 (3,011 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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marketing trap This person doesn't realize that's he's getting into a trap with these so-called washers. The flashy looks lured him in when he saw that promo. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
| Post# 862913 , Reply# 153 1/19/2016 at 18:20 (3,011 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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Post# 862914 , Reply# 154 1/19/2016 at 18:22 (3,011 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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nothing but the truth There was nothing but truth said. All washers and dryers of today are garbage! I would stick with washers and dryers with vintage electronics on it! CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
| Post# 862916 , Reply# 155 1/19/2016 at 18:24 (3,011 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Hahahaha omg | ||
| Post# 862937 , Reply# 156 1/19/2016 at 19:46 (3,011 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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| Post# 862956 , Reply# 157 1/19/2016 at 21:45 (3,011 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 863016 , Reply# 159 1/20/2016 at 06:26 (3,011 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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| Post# 863035 , Reply# 161 1/20/2016 at 09:21 (3,011 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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GELaundry4ever
GELaundry4ever,
times change back in the 1950 to 1999 non he toploads where good washers, but today in 2016 is an era for high efficency washers and over theyears models change so if you look at ge today line of models these are the models that are made today www.geappliances.com/ge/washer/tr... if you so went a non he washer then look on craiglist or used appliances stores like i said and buy vintage that you would have to restore or buy parts on sites like ebay and i am sure members on the site will agree with me that we can't stop progress i may live in canada but water in some us coutry you must pay for the water you use like a tax or pay a water bill | ||
| Post# 863078 , Reply# 162 1/20/2016 at 14:20 (3,011 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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My 85 Kenmore 70 belt drive and 73 Lady Kenmore dryer wash just fine!!If they ever become completely worn out I might get a Speed Queen.I would love a front loader, but it will be a Westinghouse or a Bendix!! | ||
| Post# 863083 , Reply# 163 1/20/2016 at 14:46 (3,011 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Post# 863103 , Reply# 164 1/20/2016 at 17:37 (3,010 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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guys, come to the realization....
your beating a dead horse.... theres a reason the 'block' feature was created, and unfortunately, this is one of them...... its give and take, and a lot of useful information......but note, the OP hasn't read one word of anything you guys have to say...... if you like a machine, let us know, if you don't, state your dislike, once and done, and move on......this is just turning into a run on sentence..... wasn't there a thread in DL over this nonsense...... on to better viewing..... | ||
| Post# 863132 , Reply# 165 1/20/2016 at 19:08 (3,010 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 863147 , Reply# 166 1/20/2016 at 19:58 (3,010 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
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Post# 863150 , Reply# 167 1/20/2016 at 20:13 (3,010 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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No reason to lock the thread or bother Robert about it. Ranting is only fun for the ranter if people react to it. Besides, how will we find out if Harley ever winds up stealing one of those toy LG washers if this thread gets locked? #freeharley
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| Post# 863204 , Reply# 169 1/21/2016 at 03:40 (3,010 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia) | ||
my LG Turbodrum
Well then I guess I MUST dispose of my 9 year old, (still working fine) LG Turbodrum, as it is made by those evil, job stealing South Koreans and I will spend $2,500 Aus dollars on a Speed Queen, because they are the ONLY washing machines which wash like washing machines!, if not I will by an Australian made?, made? well I would if there was still an Australian made machine as it would be better than the crappy 9 year old LG, while I am at it I must also dispose of the 6 year old LG Top mount fridge and replace it with a GE, oh wait! I HAD a GE SBS which lasted 5 years,(and cost me $3000,) and replaced it with the LG, what on Earth was I thinking!!!
Mate, if you don't like LG and Samsung, DON'T BUY THEM THEN!!!! As far as I am aware the US is still a reasonably democratic society in which one is free to choose whatever white goods one wants. | ||
| Post# 863221 , Reply# 171 1/21/2016 at 06:48 (3,010 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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This is like...
...beating a dead horse. Completely subjective because after using HE washers both TL and FL I can attest that they do work. It's a matter of opinion, whether anyone wants to admit that or not. Some people just can't think out of the box and that's sad. I'm very happy with my 29 year old Filter Flo set but if it should die, I'm not worried about having to buy anything new. I've done enough research that I'm positive I could replace it with something new that cleans just as well or better. And it doesn't have to be a Speed Queen either. :-/
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| Post# 863293 , Reply# 172 1/21/2016 at 12:52 (3,010 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Lighter fluid on the fire >:-)
Just to stir the pot; I'll go and say it one more time.
I think Speed Queen is over-rated. (hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssss) ;) Virtually all my dwellings except the private townhouse I lived in, in college, were Speed Queen laundries. And they were broken, all, the, fricken, time. In fact, Coinmach, the service company, still owes me $5.00 in refunds which they never paid me, because their machines broke down on me and I'd have to re-do loads. It got so bad, I decided to inconvenience myself and do my laundry exclusively at the in-town Maytag laundromat. They were full of Orbital TLs and Neptune washers. They must've had 50 machines for standard laundry. And I think I only ever saw 1 or 2 broken washers and dryers. And NOOOOO Neptune washer there ever broke down to my knowledge. Did they have better maintenance? Maybe. IDK. I would never spend my money on a private Speed Queen. But guess what? I realize they're still decent machines. Not my preference. And this is 'Murica dammit. Feel free to buy what you like. Heck! They're American made so I support that! But still, I think they're over rated. And that's my opinion. My experience. Nothing more. I know SQ machines have treated others out there far better than me. After just a few months with my new [evil] Maytag 5100 pair, I'm firmly in Front Loader world now. They're awesome. (Knock on wood). Everything is clean. It sips water. Well rinsed. And I've never used a dryer that dries so quickly and evenly in my life. Even the pockets in jeans! I can't believe it. So there's my additional nugget of troll food :D | ||
| Post# 863353 , Reply# 173 1/21/2016 at 19:00 (3,009 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
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| Post# 863357 , Reply# 174 1/21/2016 at 19:04 (3,009 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I think Speed Queen's are excellent washers...there's no question...excellent in terms of durability and old school-ness lol. Cleaning performance, they're really average. It's all about what you want in a washer. I had horrible experiences with the SQ FL'ers in an apartment I had. Granted most people don't know crap about proper washer usage but those damn things went out of balance all the time. Drove me nuts.
I respect everyone's opinion but aside from that, I always do my own research and evaluate my own past experiences when making decisions about anything. Some people just like to get on a soap box, really without any good stats to back up their statements. | ||
| Post# 863371 , Reply# 175 1/21/2016 at 19:37 (3,009 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
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no soap box here
joe, if that was aimed at what I said,having bought a set of speed queens I can see the difference in a couple loads,i have always been a gm 1-18 lover,but what I have owned since 2008.,has not been that great.not an employee of alliance, but being 50 plus yrs old, its the best I can find to old school,& damn it doesn't display some stupid error or suds code.you have a ge ff set & you say you love them.so why whine about people that love real washers?
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| Post# 863374 , Reply# 176 1/21/2016 at 19:44 (3,009 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Hahaha, no it wasn't aimed at you at all. I was referring to the thread creator who can't seem to get past this. :-/
I love old/new washers all the same. I have gone through 3 in 1.5 years...because I like to try everything. I'll keep my FF until it is no longer useable...meaning, if it breaks, I probably won't fix it. I have a feeling that won't be anytime soon. I'd very much consider a SQ TL if/when that happens. I think they're great...just not the end-all. | ||
| Post# 863384 , Reply# 177 1/21/2016 at 20:01 (3,009 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
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Post# 863434 , Reply# 179 1/22/2016 at 06:14 (3,009 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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| Post# 863486 , Reply# 180 1/22/2016 at 10:11 (3,009 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Frigilux
It must be a midwest thing! Haha. You're right.
Well, right now I inherited a basic Kenmore fridge from the old owners, but it's only 1yr old. So I'm good on fridges for a while. BUT, I am looking at a new range next year for xmas. The existing one is beat to hell. I was looking at a GE range of course....but now I'm not so sure I want to give them money. Maybe I'll look at a Maytag range. I WAS going to get a set of GE right-height laundry pairs, but....they never would've fit in my tiny, 1980s laundry room. So I had to get a set of stackable Maximas. Which I'm loving btw. No buyers remorse at all. | ||
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| Post# 864284 , Reply# 182 1/27/2016 at 10:30 (3,004 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Speaking of going by reviews
---thinking back to 2005 when I bought my Duet Pair - Good Lord, if I had gone by the reviews you would have thought I was asking for trouble buying this machine based on reviews back then and the talk on the gardenweb forum back then....and admittedly, year 2 I had the control board replaced, but now I'm going on year 11 and I don't regret buying it....
reviews help some, but some people who review these new appliances just don't know that the blank they are talking about - you can totally tell in the review too. Some of the reviews, however, do seem legit and the person seems to know a good bit about the machine they are reviewing (much more so than when I bought mine) | ||
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AWO is easier found than in the past thanks to google.....
if people doing research for reviews were looking for an honest opinion of pros and cons, they would come here....not to boast AWO.... but you have to admit, there has been a lot of help offered by skilled and/or knowledgeable people here, more than you will find in any one persons first hand experience with something like a FLer....just saying.... but always found it best, no matter what your buying, to seek advice from a service tech more than a salesman.... and experience has told us, a majority of machines faults lie with user error more than anything else... | ||
| Post# 864300 , Reply# 184 1/27/2016 at 12:42 (3,004 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 864370 , Reply# 187 1/27/2016 at 17:38 (3,003 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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+1 Norgeway except I would add........franchise Keaton's BBQ chicken so all of 'murica can taste the most flavorful unique chicken ever made. | ||
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Post# 864393 , Reply# 188 1/27/2016 at 19:40 (3,003 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Problem Per se Is *NOT* Modern Washers
But the conflicting set of circumstances domestic laundry appliance makers find themselves having to cope.
On the one hand you have governments mandating energy efficiency which really comes down to water (heated) use. On the other you have consumers unwilling to pay premium prices for what would be TOL equipment. Look at vintage top, front, and even semi-automatic washers from late as the 1970's and you'll often find build quality that would be very expensive to produce today. Especially with union factory labor. Whirlpool and Electrolux alone between their own patents and those of the companies they have gobbled up have some of the best designs for washing machines and dryers the world has ever seen. Whirlpool could reintroduce Maytag's "Dependable Care" or their famous "Surgilator" washers with all the bells and whatnot of yesterday; but at what cost? That and increased government meddling regarding energy use has pretty much killed off or is killing traditional top loader market. As to the question which is better top or H-Axis; that ship sailed decades ago. There are reasons commercial laundries going back to the last century if not before chose H-axis washing machines. Thor/Hurley Machine Company, Maytag and others all had early "side loading" washing machines for the home. books.google.com/booksQUESTIONMA... | ||
| Post# 864398 , Reply# 189 1/27/2016 at 20:21 (3,003 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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My idea is If it doesn't have a mechanical timer, im not having it! LOL | ||
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Post# 864555 , Reply# 193 1/28/2016 at 19:10 (3,002 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 864565 , Reply# 194 1/28/2016 at 20:07 (3,002 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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I knew it was something like that. Hi Frig! | ||
| Post# 864598 , Reply# 195 1/29/2016 at 04:20 (3,002 days old) by brucelucenta () | ||
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In the end, nothing stays the same. Everything moves on, supposedly forward, although I wonder sometimes... | ||
| Post# 1196839 , Reply# 198 1/10/2024 at 00:14 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 1196874 , Reply# 199 1/10/2024 at 13:16 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Reply #198
Sean, I can't say I disagree, although it did make for some entertaining reading for the last half hour or so. I truly don't understand certain people having such strong opinions about the washers/cars/computer/whatever others use. Use what makes you happy, and move on. Variety makes the world go round.
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| Post# 1196877 , Reply# 200 1/10/2024 at 13:59 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
You know Jerome
Asia CAN build a quality product and America CAN build a crappy product, it just depends. Take Panasonic and Hoover vacuums for example. Hoover's Dial-A-Matic uprights were although a big hit and they're one of my favorites, they had a bunch of design flaws. Hoover then sold its patents to Panasonic and made even better machines that Hoover hadn't done before. I'd gladly take a Japanese built Panasonic Jet-Flo upright over an American made Hoover Dial-A-Matic.
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Post# 1196897 , Reply# 201 1/10/2024 at 18:57 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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thread Keep in mind, I was the one who made this thread a while back. My thoughts on modern appliances haven't changed. | ||
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Post# 1196910 , Reply# 202 1/11/2024 at 01:05 by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1196926 , Reply# 204 1/11/2024 at 11:59 by eronie (Flushing Michigan) |
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Jerome Your continued use of the word STUPID just shows your immaturity. | ||
| Post# 1196928 , Reply# 206 1/11/2024 at 13:05 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Jerome
I remember you said on a Imperial thread that GE's vintage pumps sounded EXACTLY the same as Whirlpool's and wondered if Whirlpool ever sued GE for stealing their pump design. In all of honesty, even the older washers and dryers sounds very similar to me. Not just the modern ones. Alot of the parts that Whirlpool, GE, SQ, etc would get like the motors would come from the same factory. Nobody makes all of the parts in house. So overall, I disagree about your thoughts that still stands but you're entitled to your own opinion. I love my LG front loader that's HE, it's the second best washer and dryer I've used. I'm never switching over to my Kenmore 90 Series that's built by whirlpool because it wastes on electricity, water, and clothes. Yes the agitator is WAY too aggressive for me. I've never had a mold issue on the LG, also never had a problem with unbalancing, clothes being ruined, dries just fine, I think I've saved money over buying a SQ which is WAY more expensive than an LG. You've definitely never learned from alot here like qualin's post on reply #7 which by the way now has 27 checkrates/likes as I gave him a thumbs up for agreeing with him.
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| Post# 1196930 , Reply# 207 1/11/2024 at 15:11 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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The only advice I have for Jerome at the point is to only post in the Imperial forum index, move on completely from the Deluxe forum index if you really have that much of a hatred for modern appliances, or anything modern for that matter.
I’ll admit as someone who is on the spectrum (yes I am in case if anyone is wondering), change and seeing things change for the better or worse can be somewhat difficult since any change in life is, but at the end of the day I have to be a realist since change is inevitable and life is full of change and progress. Can’t stick my head in the sand just because things aren’t going my way or one small thing has thrown my day off ever so slightly. If things never changed, there wouldn’t be tomorrow or the future. I also can’t fixate on the same subject since it’s just not worth my time anymore, much rather put my time and energy to use elsewhere. I could fixate on the older Whirlpool belt drive design every single and mention on how Whirlpool could bring it back but that’ll never happen because of greed and planned obsolescence among many other things. Maybe I’d fixate in what it would take to make the machines myself and that would be a massive undertaking but as the saying goes: “If you want something done right, got to do it yourself”. | ||
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