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Post# 848303   10/29/2015 at 08:17 (3,073 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        

Hello everybody. When did lg first start manufacturing dishwashers? When did we start seeing them in the states? Why do these dishwashers sound weak? Why do the pumps turn on and off when they start the wash action? Why is there no high temp wash and heated dry option? I'd like to know. Thanks. P.S. I have read consumer complaints that say that they take forever and don't clean.




Post# 848310 , Reply# 1   10/29/2015 at 08:41 (3,073 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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I have no idea about the history of their dishwashers so i can't comment on that. But after reading the manual on their base model, most of their cycles the standard wash temp is what "heated wash" would be on other brands. My Frigidaire, for example heats the water to a minimum of 120 degrees if heated wash is NOT selected and 140 degrees if it is. LG recommends a minimum of 120 degrees from the hot water supply. Apparently they just heat the water anyway...except on a couple of the shorter cycles. I attached a cycle chart.

As far as the pumps turing on and off, from my experience it's probably from either using a smaller size motor and the pause allows it to cool, and the fact that most new dishwashers use less water so there probably isn't enough water to run both upper and lower sprays arms together and be effective. That's how my Frigidaire works too. However, it cleans beautifully. I rarely have a problem with leftover soil.

Mine does have a heated dry but a lot of the newer models do not..they have extended drying...which LG does too, to save energy. I have no idea how that works.

From the reviews I read, most were positive. There will be negative reviews on ANY product. So make sure you read all of them and not just the ones that say what you want them to say. People are dumb and I find these reviews useless in most cases.


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Post# 848315 , Reply# 2   10/29/2015 at 08:51 (3,073 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
I can't speak for the LG

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But my Kitchenaid dishwasher (Whirlpool sourced) has frequent stops when the wash is first beginning, and then a few times during the wash cycle. this is when it is sensing the soil level and temp.   This may be why the LG makes frequents stops, but I am just guessing.

 


Post# 848319 , Reply# 3   10/29/2015 at 09:05 (3,073 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
consumer complaints

As a side note, I have read many consumer complaints about all brands. Some reason, the lg dishwashers sound different. Some sound like the older whirlpool horizontal dual pump style, while the newer ones sound more like electronic pumps.

Post# 848323 , Reply# 4   10/29/2015 at 09:38 (3,073 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
One thing you will see online.

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You will read more complaints, as people are more likely to complain about something, than praise it.

 

Many of the complaints are user error.  The newer machines are not as powerful and are certainly not your Mother's  Hurricane in a box. 

 

You have to be careful not to nest bowls so the water can get to all surfaces. 

 

Make sure the water is hot by purging the lines so the machine has a good start.

 

Use a good quality, and ample detergent for the soil level.

 

Choose an appropriate cycle for the soil level.

 

Here is an example, though I am not saying I am always right; this is just an example of varied results.

 

My aunt, God love her, has the exact model and make machine that I have.  This is where the simularities end. 

 

I use a good quality detergent usually either Cascade Platinum, or Finish Quantum vs She usually buys the cheapest, sometimes outdated product on the shelves.

 

I do not Prewash vs.  She washes the dishes in the sink then places the clean dishes in the dishwasher.

 

I choose either the normal or heavy cycle, which are sensor cycles,  and choose a heated option and/or heated wash or sani rinse vs She uses the shortest cycle (Light soil), which would be appropriate with her prewashing except. . she never chooses any options.

 

I use care in loading so that the water is able to reach all surfaces vs She piles dishes upon themselves to save having to run more loads.

 

I use Finish Jet Dry vs  She does not.

 

Results:

I rarely take a dish out of the machine that is not spotless vs.  She always complains that the dishes are dirty with redeposits in the glasses, spotty and she has to dry them by hand.

 

She would complain and blame the machine online.  I would not as I see the problem as user error.

 

 

 

 


Post# 848324 , Reply# 5   10/29/2015 at 09:46 (3,073 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
I have read/heard consumer complaints...

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There is a serious issue with basing all your experience of anything based on reviews you have read on the Internet. You just don't get a clear picture of what is really going on out there.

It is human nature to write negative reviews when a person perceives there is a problem, but it is comparatively less common to write a glowing review for something that works well. Yes I realize that positive reviews exist, I'm only saying that there is a disproportionate percentage slanted towards the negative.

Secondly when reading such reviews, both positive and negative, we have near zero idea what the writers experience is. Perhaps the problems are user induced (see also the "stinky washer" syndrome). Any washer is likely awesome if it is the first one a person has ever used etc.

Without knowing the percentages of machines that are out there working just fine for people, you have no idea how much weight those negative reviews deserve.

We read reviews all the time about some of the early front load machines and how horrible they are. How does one explain users here in this group that has had them for 10-15 years and they love them? Clearly the reviews don't tell the whole story.

Had the Internet existed in the past, you can bet that machines back then would have had negative reviews too. People experiencing problems with things and complaining about it is hardly a new concept. The Internet just makes is WAY easier to see it all.

Machines today are built lighter and with more plastic and electronics. It is possible that their life spans will be reduced as a result. It is far more likely that they will be judged as "flimsy or poorly built" just based on a persons perceived ideals. Electronics are the same way, folks are scared of them because they don't understand them. In today's cost cut world, I'd wager that the mechanical timers made today would be expensive and not as long lived as vintage ones also. Plus you loose the wonderful advantages that electronics can bring. In the end the concept of designing the "perfect" machine that will last forever is ludicrous. It could never sell due to cost and the average consumer is going to replace the appliance far sooner then need be replaced anyhow.


Post# 848339 , Reply# 6   10/29/2015 at 10:50 (3,073 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        
I think new dishwashers are better

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Just my opinion but they are one appliance that I think has improved greatly over the years. Granted if I could find a nice condition KA dishwasher of the Hobart design from the 80's or early 90's (in black), I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat, but for the most part I'm very very happy with new dishwashers. Yes loading it correctly is crucial, even in the best machine. It can't clean where the water doesn't hit...that's just common sense.

I remember tons and tons of times as a kid emptying the dishwasher and throwing uncleaned items in the sink to be reloaded and washed again. I hardly ever have to do that now. But of course my dishwasher loading skills have improved with age too lol.

Biggest thing I like is noise level. I had a GE or Hotpoint Potscrubber type machine in a previous apartment about 5 years ago. That thing was LOUD. Holy crap, it would wake the dead. I thought it was broken when I moved in and was excited that maybe I would get a new one. But the maintenance guy called me and said it was fine...and it was. LOL.


Post# 848341 , Reply# 7   10/29/2015 at 11:14 (3,073 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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In the new vs old arguments I don't think there is any appliance that has degraded more then the dishwasher. If my machine died I wouldn't buy a new machine to replace it...

In a move to try to make dishwashers silent, they just don't move any water anymore. They also use slightly less water then before but I'm not sure this is really the reason that modern ones may not perform like their ancestors. I have installed two new Whirlpool dishwashers in the past couple years, I remain amazingly unimpressed with either.

Dishwashers today do have the advantage of modern high performance enzyme detergents which helps them to a degree.





Post# 848451 , Reply# 8   10/29/2015 at 18:09 (3,073 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
dishwasher sounds

I have noticed that the 2 models of lg, particularly the5811 and the 4821 sound different.

Post# 848478 , Reply# 9   10/29/2015 at 22:20 (3,073 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
poor quality

LG dishwashers are poor quality! They don't clean dishes at all! There is no high temp wash or heated dry! Rinse aid is required! The electronics and motors fail! LG should be ashamed of themselves! It doesn't matter how you load them! They are caked with film and dirty food particles that are baked on! I'm glad my dad has a whirlpool gold dishwasher that is miles better than that Korean piece of crap LG! I have read tons of reviews and I am glad I have saved myself some grief from LG's lousy garbage! The whirlpool my dad has gets right down to business! LG's are just dishwetters! What a piece of crap! They are the worst I have ever seen!

Post# 848479 , Reply# 10   10/29/2015 at 22:38 (3,073 days old) by A440 ()        
Dude!

Did you do heavy drugs between 6:09 and 10:20 PM? 

 

You ask questions and then go on this crazy rant with crazy answers to the questions that you are asking in the first place. You do this in every topic you post! 

 

Very Strange.


Post# 848480 , Reply# 11   10/29/2015 at 22:39 (3,073 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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GELaundry4ever,

How many different brands and models of dishwashers have you used to verify your claim against LG?


Post# 848509 , Reply# 12   10/30/2015 at 06:42 (3,072 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        
Seriously.

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And after I explained why they don't have a "heated" wash, because their machines heat the water anyway!! It took me like 3 seconds to copy and paste that chart. 3 seconds I could have spent doing something else. OMG. :-/

Post# 848526 , Reply# 13   10/30/2015 at 08:34 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Please be kind

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Sometimes post make us frustrated, with a little empathy we can find some kindness. 


Post# 848529 , Reply# 14   10/30/2015 at 08:47 (3,072 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        
Hrumphf

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Post# 848549 , Reply# 15   10/30/2015 at 09:56 (3,072 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Look, it's not that we're trying not to be kind or helpful.
It's that when we ARE kind and helpful with explanations, sources and facts, they're thrown back in our face with hyperbole, claptrap and misinformation, over and over and OVER and OVER again, and with the same stupid, non-quantifiable youtube clips.

Don't feed the troll!


Post# 848553 , Reply# 16   10/30/2015 at 10:11 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
I do not believe he is a troll

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If you can't find tollerance, then either skip the post or block the user. 

 

We could try to use our knowledge to mentor. 




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Post# 848559 , Reply# 17   10/30/2015 at 10:42 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
weak pump

Why is lg, Samsung and everybody else putting weak pumps in their dishwashers? If a dishwasher is quiet, it doesn't clean! How are lg dishwashers supposed to dry your dishes without heated dry? You can't! It doesn't matter if you used rinse aid! You can't put a huge load of dishes up to capacity in these dishwashers! The racks are too close to the jets! They should be called dishwetters! Lg's take for years and years to get your dishes clean! LG needs to learn from GE, Whirlpool, Maytag and Kitchenaid and Frigidaire from the past! Quiet equals dirty dishes! If my dishwasher is loud due to intense spray, that means it is doing what is supposed to do! Dishwashers are supposed to wash your dishes! Who said that Samsung and especially LG were allowed to make appliances, including dishwashers? Nobody!

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Post# 848563 , Reply# 18   10/30/2015 at 10:49 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
I have had 6 dishwashers.

I have had 6 of them! They had powerful, not wimpy pumps like dishwashers are supposed to! I don't do drugs! Period! I do my research! I read consumer reviews! I'd rather have a hurricane in a box that is heavy duty, not a cheap, flimsy, Chinese and/or Korean piece of crap power lawn sprinklers! They're delicate machines! They're power lawn sprinklers! No way am I getting a brand new Chinese made dishwasher! Assembled in the US doesn't made in the US! Parts are from China, Korea or Mexico! No offense, but that's what the fine print says! Ask Spatsbear!

Post# 848564 , Reply# 19   10/30/2015 at 10:50 (3,072 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
I'd love to, but.....

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when I block the user, HALF of the AW forums in the community dissapear now.

This place has single-handedly gone to $hit.


Post# 848565 , Reply# 20   10/30/2015 at 10:50 (3,072 days old) by A440 ()        

If his last two post above is not evidence that he is an Internet Troll....then you don't know what a Internet Troll is.

 


Post# 848568 , Reply# 21   10/30/2015 at 10:53 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
I need proof!

I need proof! I'd like to see videos of the inside of an LG dishwasher! I have seen videos of a few other brands with the cameras inside! Until then, I refuse to touch lg dishwashers until there is a video of the interior operation!

Post# 848570 , Reply# 22   10/30/2015 at 11:01 (3,072 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Well, I just burst into laughter.

First thing first: US vs EU. Keep that in mind.

But our dishwashers just fullfill all your criteria for a bad DW.
Silent: Check. (39dB is the quietest I have found, with a cycle designed for night use which tones down to 37dB.)
Small motors: Kinda. The secret is called inverter. As far as I know, the 39dB DW (an E-Lux made AEG) can run with motor wattage up to something like 150W, yet down to just about 50W.
Years and years to clean: Funny that Auto\Sensor cycles are doing the exact opposite. I've barely seen a sensor cycle extending time, and only on few occasions not cutting down.
Tines to close: 15 place settings on the 39dB AEG. Hmm. Dosen't sound bad.
No heated dry: I think heated dry was being phased out 20 years ago in the EU. Actually, the most high-tech dishdrying method comes from Germany and is called "Zeolith" (now redesigned into - I think they call it - "Zeolith 3D"), which is quite a fun concept made by BSH (Bosch). And somehow, we have dry dishes. Except for plastic. This sh** always stays kind of damp.

And I have yet to hear any complaints about such dishwashers not cleaning well. Except for the occasional loading error or stuck-on bit, NOT A SINGLE load I haver washed in a DW did not come clean.



And you don't need to be allowed to build DW or any other applaince. Just meet you countrys regulations, follow the law of your country and you can build a DW in any way you want.


Post# 848572 , Reply# 23   10/30/2015 at 11:03 (3,072 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        






Post# 848573 , Reply# 24   10/30/2015 at 11:03 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
lg heating water

Of course these dishwashers heat the water! However, LG and Samsung should've put at least a high temp wash option on their dishwashers! Why didn't lg put a high temp wash option on their dishwashers? Am I expecting too much or am I too accustomed to the ones that I have had?

Post# 848574 , Reply# 25   10/30/2015 at 11:04 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
The wonderful thing in a free market system

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You don't have to touch a LG or Samsung dishwasher.  There are others available, you are free to choose. 

 

To be quite honest, in my lifetime I have never, and I do repeat NEVER seen a video of the inside of any dishwasher I own(ed).   

 

 

 


Post# 848576 , Reply# 26   10/30/2015 at 11:12 (3,072 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Though you made a rhethorical question there...

You ARE to accustomed to what you once (maybe) (maybe not) have (not) used!

Oh, and searching reviewed.com for a better video, I found this:


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Post# 848578 , Reply# 27   10/30/2015 at 11:20 (3,072 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

These kind of posts are getting kind of tiresome….
There is an old saying, "If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all". I think that should be applied in many of these rants and bashing of newer, more modern appliances that are made somewhere other than here in the USA. The reason that Toyota and Honda are the best cars available on the market today, is because of the poor manufacturing and failure of the cars made in the USA. That should be a clue to many, since a lot of us now would never even consider a USA made automobile these days, with the other choices we have now.


Post# 848580 , Reply# 28   10/30/2015 at 11:31 (3,072 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Quiet equals dirty dishes!

 

Depending on the dishwasher, this is totally false.  I have a Miele which is one of the quietest dishwashers on the market but yet it cleans extremely well, all the time.  I have to almost put my ear against the door to hear it running.  And I do no pre-rinse my dishes.  And sometimes the dishes sit for several days before I run the dishwasher.  Case in point, I made scalloped potatoes and the casserole dish had baked on food.  The dish sat in the dishwasher for 3 days before I ran the cycle.  Everything came out spotless.


Post# 848584 , Reply# 29   10/30/2015 at 11:40 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Quiet equals dirty dishes!

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I will agree with Countryguy. 

 

I have a Kitchenaid and it is quiet, the convection fan in the oven is noiser than the dishwasher.  Rarely do I take a dish out that is not perfectly clean and spotless. 

 

As for heated dry, many maker have phased this option out, or did away with it long ago.  It is actually an option I never use.  I use a high temp rinse and the dishes dry themselves from residual heat.

 

I usually run the dishes at night and they sit til the next morning.  Plastics, and sometimes the tops of cups are the only signs of moisture with pro-dry.

 

 


Post# 848594 , Reply# 30   10/30/2015 at 11:57 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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OMG!  $37.53 to run the tested LG model LDS5540ST for a year?  That's 10.282 cents per day!  Every day of the year!  I could buy something like five Whataburger meals with that money!  Spinach is a stain?  Or is it a particulate?


Post# 848597 , Reply# 31   10/30/2015 at 12:00 (3,072 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Not quite getting your point, DADoES...

I personally like reviewed.com as they give some quite usefull data (example max temperatures on dryers), though, their reviews are far from perfect.

However, I just thought that headline gave a good contrast to the original post.


Post# 848599 , Reply# 32   10/30/2015 at 12:11 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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GELaundry4ever,

The LG cycle chart provided above indicates 145°F wash and 154°F rinse for the Power Scrub cycle.  How much higher than that should a high temp wash option go?  My dishwasher which is not an LG does not have a high temp wash option.  It heats to 150°F wash and 163°F rinse on the Heavy cycle.  Instead of a high temp option it has a low temp option to reduce the temp for lighter loads.  The low temp option selected with the Normal cycle heats to 130°F for both wash and rinse.


Post# 848635 , Reply# 33   10/30/2015 at 14:19 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
normal/high-temp

When I run my whirlpool, I use normal/high temp which goes up to 145. However, you don't see this option on the LG's. Also, I would expect the water pressure on the lg's to be strong, not weak. There is a sanitize option, I'll give you that. But I expect to see a high-temp wash option on the lg's. normal/high temp equals cleaner dishes. I can understand that other foreign brands will heat the water to the proper setting, but lg's don't heat to 145 degrees during the main wash of the normal cycle until the final rinse! That's why I expect to see a high temp wash option, not just sanitize. But there is no high temp wash option on these.

Post# 848642 , Reply# 34   10/30/2015 at 14:35 (3,072 days old) by yoblount (TX)        

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"lg heating water

Of course these dishwashers heat the water! However, LG and Samsung should've put at least a high temp wash option on their dishwashers! Why didn't lg put a high temp wash option on their dishwashers? Am I expecting too much or am I too accustomed to the ones that I have had? "

In addition to what DADoEs said-

Many dishwashers have a sanitize cycle that heats the wash and/or rinse water to 150+ degrees F. This should meet your requirements for a high temp wash.


Post# 848650 , Reply# 35   10/30/2015 at 14:47 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
The spray is weak.

The spray is too weak. That's not how a dishwasher should work! It needs force! That explains why these dishwashers are so quiet. Because they don't clean! All it does is spread food and stains around! What a pathetic excuse for a dishwasher.

Post# 848659 , Reply# 36   10/30/2015 at 15:06 (3,072 days old) by yoblount (TX)        

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Lower water pressures do contribute some to reduced noise levels. But new machines also have more insulation that keeps the tub heated to improve drying. This insulation also quiets the machine.
With enzyme containing detergents to break down food soils there is not much need for mega-super-soaker-force water. Also, smaller, lower powered pumps help contribute to increased energy efficiency.


Post# 848665 , Reply# 37   10/30/2015 at 15:15 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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When I run my whirlpool, I use normal/high temp which goes up to 145. However, you don't see this option on the LG's.
The option may not be needed on the LG.  If you will kindly reference the cycle chart provided above by JoeyPete and which I have reposted here, you can read for yourself.  The LG Power Scrub cycle is already at 145°F for the main wash and 154°F for the final rinse without a high temp option, which is higher than your Whirlpool with the high temp option.  The Power Scrub cycle can take the place of a specific high temp option, option not needed.  The LG Normal cycle is already at 140°F for main wash (I don't think 5°F difference is a big problem), and 149°F for final rinse without a high temp option which is higher than your Whirlpool with the high temp option.


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Post# 848667 , Reply# 38   10/30/2015 at 15:20 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The spray is too weak. That's not how a dishwasher should work! It needs force! That explains why these dishwashers are so quiet.
As stated in the reply above, chemical and enzyme action eliminates the need for super-strong spray pressure.  Consumers WANT quiet dishwashers.  Why are you telling consumers they can't have quiet dishwashers?


Post# 848668 , Reply# 39   10/30/2015 at 15:21 (3,072 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        
Thank you

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For reposting that. Like I stated, in my Frigidaire 2445, high temp wash is 140 degrees. Lower than the LG. lol

Post# 848688 , Reply# 40   10/30/2015 at 16:50 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
I'm not so against quiet.

I am not against quiet! LG should've put tons of heat tolerant sound insulation on their dishwashers! They should've built dishwashers that just start the wash action instantly... not slow starts and stops! And when fill is complete! My Whirlpool Gold pauses when done filling, then starts the wash action - getting right down to business! That's how a dishwasher should run! Quiet has gone so overboard to the point where the dishes come out dirty even when using the best of dishwasher detergents and rinse aids, loading properly, and without prerinsing! No prerinsing equals dirty dishes caked with grit and grime! Geez!

Post# 848691 , Reply# 41   10/30/2015 at 16:56 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Jerome

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You are no longer allowed to use the (!).  If you use it again you will be sent to the naughty step for 5 minutes.  If the (!) continue then your computer will be programmed to automatically remove the key from your keyboard.

 

NOW--It has been explained on several post why a dishwasher, not just the LG would do a stop start.  My Kitchenaid starts and stops during the fill as it is sensing if there is enough water, but not too much.  You can choose a cycle (1 hour wash) that will just fill to the max and start at it, but this is not as energy or water efficient. 

 I do not, nor have I ever pre-rinsed, and I do not have dirty dishes at the end of the cycle.

 




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Post# 848692 , Reply# 42   10/30/2015 at 16:57 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
poor performance.

Poor performance explains why the dishwasher is so quiet. There is not enough pressure! All it does is wet your dishes for 2 hours! Dishes still come out dirty with these LG dishwashers! You call that washing? It's not!! LG dishwashers need force to blast your dishes clean! You can't wash dishes with steam! That is just marketing hype!

Post# 848693 , Reply# 43   10/30/2015 at 17:08 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
I'm not a troll.

I am not a troll. I do research. I just saw the video of the lg dishwasher on the inside vs. other brands, like Whirlpool, GE and Frigidaire etc. And those I have seen put out force like dishwashers are supposed to do! LG. no no no no no! The spray was so weak that I refer to it as a power lawn sprinkler! Everybody else had promising wash pressure unlike LG!

Post# 848694 , Reply# 44   10/30/2015 at 17:13 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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GELaundry4ever,

Why are you on a rant specifically against LG dishwashers?  LG isn't the only brand that has soil sensing, smaller pumps and motors with reduced spray pressure and long cycles and lower temperatures.  All the other brands are good?  LG is the only brand that is bad?


Post# 848696 , Reply# 45   10/30/2015 at 17:20 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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GELaundry4ever,

I put items like this into my dishwasher.  This dish sat for 4 days before washing.  It was not scraped or rinsed first.


Post# 848697 , Reply# 46   10/30/2015 at 17:24 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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This is how the dish came out at the end.  Clean.  And dry.  Do you think my dishwasher is a good one?  Can you tell what is the brand and model?


Post# 848701 , Reply# 47   10/30/2015 at 17:38 (3,072 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
I am not a troll

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If it walks like a duck...

What exactly is the point of coming on this forum and doing NOTHING but bashing LG dishwashers and HE washers?

Perhaps if you'd care to actually engage in rational discussion rather simply bashing ad nauseam based entirely on cherry picked hearsay "evidence", people may not consider that you are trolling.


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Post# 848703 , Reply# 48   10/30/2015 at 17:45 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
You were warned about the (!!!!!) get to the naughty step

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While you are sitting there.  There are a number of reasons why a dishwasher does not have to just blast high pressure at the dishes to get them clean.  Noise level is not an indicator of effectiveness. 

 

Besides the afore mentioned energy and water savings, you don't need a high pressure blast in all instances.  

 

Take for example if you were hand washing a baking dish.  If the food was dried on and stuck on, a reasonable person would usually soak the dish for  awhile before scrubbing it.  Usually the more you soak the softer more hydrated the stuck on food becomes and it just slides off with minimal effort.   

 

Modern dishwashers work on this principal in many ways, they use gentle cascades of water rather than blasts.   The gentle continued "soak" loosens the food and allows it to be washed away.   This process does not take 3 hours.  The longest cycle on my machine runs about 90 - 120 minutes.  This is not an issue as I usually run it at night anyway.  Some machines have a steam generator whereas the steam is used to loosen the food and allow it to be washed away,

 

No this is not your mother's hurricane as previously stated earlier in this thread.  But it isn't needed.  Also this process with an enzyme detergent is more gentle on your dishes.  True you can wash Grandma's fine china with a Pressure washer, but is it necessary?  And would it be harder on the dishes.  

 

My dishwasher, again as I stated, is very quiet.  Not because it has no water movement, but because there is about a 2 inch layer of insulation all around the tub, below the kick panel and in the door.   

 

Now continue to sit there on that naughty step and look at your keyboard for other punctuation  that would be more appropriate in a civil society.  

 

I do appreciate your curiosity, and interest, but consider your question answered, and answered, and answered.  I look forward to talking with you again on another subject.  Remember no more (!) allowed.  

 

 

 


Post# 848709 , Reply# 49   10/30/2015 at 18:04 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
better in terms of starting and spray

The spray on the lg's will turn on slowly, whereas everybody else, like GE, Whirlpool/Kitchenaid/Kenmore/Maytag, Frigidaire etc, will just turn on without hesitation. I don't mind the pauses of the wash action. I just don't like it when these dishwashers turn on the spray slowly. The alternate spray is just fine, but I much prefer the racks operating at the same time.

Post# 848758 , Reply# 50   10/30/2015 at 21:55 (3,072 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        

Well then just like you said you "prefer" it.
No one ever forced you to choose what you don't prefer.

I consider this forum a fantastic read and source of information.

Yet, just so you know, I've been *researching* modern front-load washers to find the one that suits me for over a year.

Of course I am entitled to say what *I think* is right or wrong, but every person in this world has a different personal preference - some reasons valid to other people, some not - depending on whom you speak to.

Were old dishwashers effective? Probably. But look, the moment the phosphates were eliminated from detergents, most old dishwashers failed - me being first-hand witness of sudden poor performance from a GE Potscrubber, manufactured before either of us was born (Is that old enough?).

Please, out of the kindness of your heart, stop repeating yourself over and over again.

Everyone who had more than 20 seconds of access to this website knows and gets, and understands your point.

Let's keep it moving.

Best,
washingpowder


Post# 848760 , Reply# 51   10/30/2015 at 22:24 (3,072 days old) by washer111 ()        
@GELaundry4Ever

A lot of dishwashers do have what you would describe as a "High Temperature" wash and rinse. 

 

European machines don't specifically have this option, rather, I believe the logic is that if you "need" a high temperature wash, then you should, (in theory) be dealing with very heavy soils, like the examples you provided. Then, there are more economical/faster options for dishes that aren't as dirty. 

 

On my DishDrawer, each cycle (with the exception of rinse & hold) have an "Eco" option, which will reduce the washing and final rinse temperature by some extent. By default, "Eco" is not selected, so all washes are operating in their "high temperature" profile. 

 

I will quote some examples from an Excel Spreadsheet in my "AutomaticWasher" folder on my computer :)

As you can see, it shows the Washing and Rinsing temperatures, rinsing and washing times, amounts of rinses and "Recommended Usage" (for dishwashing luddites I may encounter). The hottest wash is at 158ºF - which exceeds the NSF Sanitary Temperature requirement by a significant margin, and the plastic tub holds the temperature after the heater turns off for at least 10 minutes. 

 

*Footnote: As everyone can see, I too am guilty of getting a chair and listening to the dishwasher go through its motions. This spreadsheet is the result of many fun loads of dishes over the last 4 years :)


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Post# 848763 , Reply# 52   10/30/2015 at 22:29 (3,072 days old) by washer111 ()        
Spraying Performance of the F&P DishDrawer

This video is courtesy of member Dadoes. As you can see, the machine has a fairly strong spraying action from just 0.60 US Gallons per fill.

This is on the "Normal" cycle, so the Heavy cycles would spray more forcefully than this. 

 

I have put a camera and lights *inside* my machine and observed practically identical performance. It is worth noting that the cycle progression, temperatures and energy consumption for the US and Australian machines until after the DD60DCX6 series I have is very, very different. From the manuals I've seen for the DD60DCX7, the cycles are beginning to be "averaged" between the conservative Australian and more liberal American sequences. 

 





Post# 848767 , Reply# 53   10/30/2015 at 22:41 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
lds vs. ldf series.

I could be wrong, but the ldf and the lds series both use different types of pumps, is this wrong or correct? Please confirm.

Post# 848791 , Reply# 54   10/31/2015 at 05:26 (3,071 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        
LG

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GELaundry4ever,
What on Earth has the LG company ever done to you?, if you find their products so objectionable don't buy them, same for Samsung.
If you want to know about the inner workings of their products and the various features,why don't you ring them or email them and ask.
I will say Samsung have had a big issue here in Australia in the last few years with certain top load models catching fire/exploding and it is slowly getting worked through.
As for GE, my GE Side-By-Side fridge freezer, which incidentally cost me over $3000 Aus dollars died after only 6 years of normal use and now the LG replacement which is nearly as old and cost half as much has not missed a beat.
It is simply bad luck for me, all companies both good and average make lemons now and then.
You also mention Speed Queen, I agree they look like very good quality machines, however I will not pay such high prices, (and they cost more than $2000 Aus.)for white goods again especially after the GE fridge drama.


Post# 848838 , Reply# 55   10/31/2015 at 10:21 (3,071 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Back in the day…many many years ago, I used to love Speed Queen and at least the solid tub GE washers. They were good machines of the day and fun to watch and use. I also loved Kelvinator washers, my personal favorite and Frigidaire washers. Those are all things of the past now. Also as I have gotten older I am more practical about things and just want something to do the best job that can be done without a lot of fuss or messing with it. As much as I loved the older appliances, my new LG made Kenmore front load washer & dryer that stack along with my LG made Kenmore dishwasher works remarkably well and does a superior job of anything I have had up to this point. The washer is huge and will hold a king size down/feather comforter that I used to take to the laundromat. The dishwasher cleans everything I put into it, other than something that is burned on excessively and requires more attention. I have had many dishwashers in the past and the only one that ever did almost as good a job is a Maytag made Jennaire one that you could load easier and would hold many odd size things in it. That one was even before the two full size spray arms under each rack. It just had a spray arm at the top and one at the bottom with a shower tower in the middle. It was a truly remarkable dishwasher. I mostly like the ease of loading and fitting odd shaped items in. But my LG made machines work really well and do a splendid job on everything I have put in them so far. Having worked on appliances for a number of years in the past, I have seen all the changes that Speed Queen and all the other appliance brands have gone through. Speed Queen machines started a downhill slide back in the early '70's and by the '80's they had a very problematic machine that had MAJOR problems and failures with the mechanism and the seals. I cannot tell you how many machines I saw with failed tub seals that ruined the bearings. When that happened, the customer usually bought another machine and vowed to NEVER buy another Speed Queen product again. I do not know about the machines they are making these days, but the mechanism looks very much like the same one that was made back then. I have seen the posts in here about people who have bought Speed Queen top loaders and they complain about the noise they make or tub indexing and such, so who knows whether they will stand up to the test of time or not? I personally would not trust them myself. So there you have it. My personal opinion, which I am entitled to and it is not out of blind ignorance, but personal experience as an owner of equipment and a repair person.


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