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Post# 848310 , Reply# 1   10/29/2015 at 08:41 (3,073 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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I have no idea about the history of their dishwashers so i can't comment on that. But after reading the manual on their base model, most of their cycles the standard wash temp is what "heated wash" would be on other brands. My Frigidaire, for example heats the water to a minimum of 120 degrees if heated wash is NOT selected and 140 degrees if it is. LG recommends a minimum of 120 degrees from the hot water supply. Apparently they just heat the water anyway...except on a couple of the shorter cycles. I attached a cycle chart.
As far as the pumps turing on and off, from my experience it's probably from either using a smaller size motor and the pause allows it to cool, and the fact that most new dishwashers use less water so there probably isn't enough water to run both upper and lower sprays arms together and be effective. That's how my Frigidaire works too. However, it cleans beautifully. I rarely have a problem with leftover soil. Mine does have a heated dry but a lot of the newer models do not..they have extended drying...which LG does too, to save energy. I have no idea how that works. From the reviews I read, most were positive. There will be negative reviews on ANY product. So make sure you read all of them and not just the ones that say what you want them to say. People are dumb and I find these reviews useless in most cases.
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Post# 848315 , Reply# 2   10/29/2015 at 08:51 (3,073 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 848319 , Reply# 3   10/29/2015 at 09:05 (3,073 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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As a side note, I have read many consumer complaints about all brands. Some reason, the lg dishwashers sound different. Some sound like the older whirlpool horizontal dual pump style, while the newer ones sound more like electronic pumps. |
Post# 848323 , Reply# 4   10/29/2015 at 09:38 (3,073 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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You will read more complaints, as people are more likely to complain about something, than praise it.
Many of the complaints are user error. The newer machines are not as powerful and are certainly not your Mother's Hurricane in a box.
You have to be careful not to nest bowls so the water can get to all surfaces.
Make sure the water is hot by purging the lines so the machine has a good start.
Use a good quality, and ample detergent for the soil level.
Choose an appropriate cycle for the soil level.
Here is an example, though I am not saying I am always right; this is just an example of varied results.
My aunt, God love her, has the exact model and make machine that I have. This is where the simularities end.
I use a good quality detergent usually either Cascade Platinum, or Finish Quantum vs She usually buys the cheapest, sometimes outdated product on the shelves.
I do not Prewash vs. She washes the dishes in the sink then places the clean dishes in the dishwasher.
I choose either the normal or heavy cycle, which are sensor cycles, and choose a heated option and/or heated wash or sani rinse vs She uses the shortest cycle (Light soil), which would be appropriate with her prewashing except. . she never chooses any options.
I use care in loading so that the water is able to reach all surfaces vs She piles dishes upon themselves to save having to run more loads.
I use Finish Jet Dry vs She does not.
Results: I rarely take a dish out of the machine that is not spotless vs. She always complains that the dishes are dirty with redeposits in the glasses, spotty and she has to dry them by hand.
She would complain and blame the machine online. I would not as I see the problem as user error.
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Post# 848324 , Reply# 5   10/29/2015 at 09:46 (3,073 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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There is a serious issue with basing all your experience of anything based on reviews you have read on the Internet. You just don't get a clear picture of what is really going on out there.
It is human nature to write negative reviews when a person perceives there is a problem, but it is comparatively less common to write a glowing review for something that works well. Yes I realize that positive reviews exist, I'm only saying that there is a disproportionate percentage slanted towards the negative. Secondly when reading such reviews, both positive and negative, we have near zero idea what the writers experience is. Perhaps the problems are user induced (see also the "stinky washer" syndrome). Any washer is likely awesome if it is the first one a person has ever used etc. Without knowing the percentages of machines that are out there working just fine for people, you have no idea how much weight those negative reviews deserve. We read reviews all the time about some of the early front load machines and how horrible they are. How does one explain users here in this group that has had them for 10-15 years and they love them? Clearly the reviews don't tell the whole story. Had the Internet existed in the past, you can bet that machines back then would have had negative reviews too. People experiencing problems with things and complaining about it is hardly a new concept. The Internet just makes is WAY easier to see it all. Machines today are built lighter and with more plastic and electronics. It is possible that their life spans will be reduced as a result. It is far more likely that they will be judged as "flimsy or poorly built" just based on a persons perceived ideals. Electronics are the same way, folks are scared of them because they don't understand them. In today's cost cut world, I'd wager that the mechanical timers made today would be expensive and not as long lived as vintage ones also. Plus you loose the wonderful advantages that electronics can bring. In the end the concept of designing the "perfect" machine that will last forever is ludicrous. It could never sell due to cost and the average consumer is going to replace the appliance far sooner then need be replaced anyhow. |
Post# 848339 , Reply# 6   10/29/2015 at 10:50 (3,073 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Just my opinion but they are one appliance that I think has improved greatly over the years. Granted if I could find a nice condition KA dishwasher of the Hobart design from the 80's or early 90's (in black), I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat, but for the most part I'm very very happy with new dishwashers. Yes loading it correctly is crucial, even in the best machine. It can't clean where the water doesn't hit...that's just common sense.
I remember tons and tons of times as a kid emptying the dishwasher and throwing uncleaned items in the sink to be reloaded and washed again. I hardly ever have to do that now. But of course my dishwasher loading skills have improved with age too lol. Biggest thing I like is noise level. I had a GE or Hotpoint Potscrubber type machine in a previous apartment about 5 years ago. That thing was LOUD. Holy crap, it would wake the dead. I thought it was broken when I moved in and was excited that maybe I would get a new one. But the maintenance guy called me and said it was fine...and it was. LOL. |
Post# 848341 , Reply# 7   10/29/2015 at 11:14 (3,073 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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In the new vs old arguments I don't think there is any appliance that has degraded more then the dishwasher. If my machine died I wouldn't buy a new machine to replace it...
In a move to try to make dishwashers silent, they just don't move any water anymore. They also use slightly less water then before but I'm not sure this is really the reason that modern ones may not perform like their ancestors. I have installed two new Whirlpool dishwashers in the past couple years, I remain amazingly unimpressed with either. Dishwashers today do have the advantage of modern high performance enzyme detergents which helps them to a degree. |
Post# 848451 , Reply# 8   10/29/2015 at 18:09 (3,073 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I have noticed that the 2 models of lg, particularly the5811 and the 4821 sound different. |
Post# 848479 , Reply# 10   10/29/2015 at 22:38 (3,073 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Did you do heavy drugs between 6:09 and 10:20 PM?
You ask questions and then go on this crazy rant with crazy answers to the questions that you are asking in the first place. You do this in every topic you post!
Very Strange. |
Post# 848480 , Reply# 11   10/29/2015 at 22:39 (3,073 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 848509 , Reply# 12   10/30/2015 at 06:42 (3,072 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Post# 848526 , Reply# 13   10/30/2015 at 08:34 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 848529 , Reply# 14   10/30/2015 at 08:47 (3,072 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Post# 848549 , Reply# 15   10/30/2015 at 09:56 (3,072 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Look, it's not that we're trying not to be kind or helpful.
It's that when we ARE kind and helpful with explanations, sources and facts, they're thrown back in our face with hyperbole, claptrap and misinformation, over and over and OVER and OVER again, and with the same stupid, non-quantifiable youtube clips. Don't feed the troll! |
Post# 848553 , Reply# 16   10/30/2015 at 10:11 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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If you can't find tollerance, then either skip the post or block the user.
We could try to use our knowledge to mentor. This post was last edited 10/30/2015 at 10:29 |
Post# 848564 , Reply# 19   10/30/2015 at 10:50 (3,072 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 848565 , Reply# 20   10/30/2015 at 10:50 (3,072 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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If his last two post above is not evidence that he is an Internet Troll....then you don't know what a Internet Troll is.
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Post# 848568 , Reply# 21   10/30/2015 at 10:53 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I need proof! I'd like to see videos of the inside of an LG dishwasher! I have seen videos of a few other brands with the cameras inside! Until then, I refuse to touch lg dishwashers until there is a video of the interior operation! |
Post# 848572 , Reply# 23   10/30/2015 at 11:03 (3,072 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Post# 848573 , Reply# 24   10/30/2015 at 11:03 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Of course these dishwashers heat the water! However, LG and Samsung should've put at least a high temp wash option on their dishwashers! Why didn't lg put a high temp wash option on their dishwashers? Am I expecting too much or am I too accustomed to the ones that I have had? |
Post# 848574 , Reply# 25   10/30/2015 at 11:04 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 848576 , Reply# 26   10/30/2015 at 11:12 (3,072 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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You ARE to accustomed to what you once (maybe) (maybe not) have (not) used! Oh, and searching reviewed.com for a better video, I found this:
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Post# 848580 , Reply# 28   10/30/2015 at 11:31 (3,072 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)   |   | |
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Depending on the dishwasher, this is totally false. I have a Miele which is one of the quietest dishwashers on the market but yet it cleans extremely well, all the time. I have to almost put my ear against the door to hear it running. And I do no pre-rinse my dishes. And sometimes the dishes sit for several days before I run the dishwasher. Case in point, I made scalloped potatoes and the casserole dish had baked on food. The dish sat in the dishwasher for 3 days before I ran the cycle. Everything came out spotless. |
Post# 848584 , Reply# 29   10/30/2015 at 11:40 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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I will agree with Countryguy.
I have a Kitchenaid and it is quiet, the convection fan in the oven is noiser than the dishwasher. Rarely do I take a dish out that is not perfectly clean and spotless.
As for heated dry, many maker have phased this option out, or did away with it long ago. It is actually an option I never use. I use a high temp rinse and the dishes dry themselves from residual heat.
I usually run the dishes at night and they sit til the next morning. Plastics, and sometimes the tops of cups are the only signs of moisture with pro-dry.
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Post# 848594 , Reply# 30   10/30/2015 at 11:57 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 848597 , Reply# 31   10/30/2015 at 12:00 (3,072 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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I personally like reviewed.com as they give some quite usefull data (example max temperatures on dryers), though, their reviews are far from perfect. However, I just thought that headline gave a good contrast to the original post. |
Post# 848599 , Reply# 32   10/30/2015 at 12:11 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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GELaundry4ever, The LG cycle chart provided above indicates 145°F wash and 154°F rinse for the Power Scrub cycle. How much higher than that should a high temp wash option go? My dishwasher which is not an LG does not have a high temp wash option. It heats to 150°F wash and 163°F rinse on the Heavy cycle. Instead of a high temp option it has a low temp option to reduce the temp for lighter loads. The low temp option selected with the Normal cycle heats to 130°F for both wash and rinse. |
Post# 848642 , Reply# 34   10/30/2015 at 14:35 (3,072 days old) by yoblount (TX)   |   | |
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"lg heating water
Of course these dishwashers heat the water! However, LG and Samsung should've put at least a high temp wash option on their dishwashers! Why didn't lg put a high temp wash option on their dishwashers? Am I expecting too much or am I too accustomed to the ones that I have had? " In addition to what DADoEs said- Many dishwashers have a sanitize cycle that heats the wash and/or rinse water to 150+ degrees F. This should meet your requirements for a high temp wash. |
Post# 848650 , Reply# 35   10/30/2015 at 14:47 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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The spray is too weak. That's not how a dishwasher should work! It needs force! That explains why these dishwashers are so quiet. Because they don't clean! All it does is spread food and stains around! What a pathetic excuse for a dishwasher. |
Post# 848659 , Reply# 36   10/30/2015 at 15:06 (3,072 days old) by yoblount (TX)   |   | |
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Lower water pressures do contribute some to reduced noise levels. But new machines also have more insulation that keeps the tub heated to improve drying. This insulation also quiets the machine.
With enzyme containing detergents to break down food soils there is not much need for mega-super-soaker-force water. Also, smaller, lower powered pumps help contribute to increased energy efficiency. |
Post# 848665 , Reply# 37   10/30/2015 at 15:15 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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When I run my whirlpool, I use normal/high temp which goes up to 145. However, you don't see this option on the LG's.The option may not be needed on the LG. If you will kindly reference the cycle chart provided above by JoeyPete and which I have reposted here, you can read for yourself. The LG Power Scrub cycle is already at 145°F for the main wash and 154°F for the final rinse without a high temp option, which is higher than your Whirlpool with the high temp option. The Power Scrub cycle can take the place of a specific high temp option, option not needed. The LG Normal cycle is already at 140°F for main wash (I don't think 5°F difference is a big problem), and 149°F for final rinse without a high temp option which is higher than your Whirlpool with the high temp option.
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Post# 848667 , Reply# 38   10/30/2015 at 15:20 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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The spray is too weak. That's not how a dishwasher should work! It needs force! That explains why these dishwashers are so quiet.As stated in the reply above, chemical and enzyme action eliminates the need for super-strong spray pressure. Consumers WANT quiet dishwashers. Why are you telling consumers they can't have quiet dishwashers? |
Post# 848668 , Reply# 39   10/30/2015 at 15:21 (3,072 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Post# 848691 , Reply# 41   10/30/2015 at 16:56 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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You are no longer allowed to use the (!). If you use it again you will be sent to the naughty step for 5 minutes. If the (!) continue then your computer will be programmed to automatically remove the key from your keyboard.
NOW--It has been explained on several post why a dishwasher, not just the LG would do a stop start. My Kitchenaid starts and stops during the fill as it is sensing if there is enough water, but not too much. You can choose a cycle (1 hour wash) that will just fill to the max and start at it, but this is not as energy or water efficient. I do not, nor have I ever pre-rinsed, and I do not have dirty dishes at the end of the cycle.
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Post# 848694 , Reply# 44   10/30/2015 at 17:13 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 848696 , Reply# 45   10/30/2015 at 17:20 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 848697 , Reply# 46   10/30/2015 at 17:24 (3,072 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 848701 , Reply# 47   10/30/2015 at 17:38 (3,072 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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If it walks like a duck...
What exactly is the point of coming on this forum and doing NOTHING but bashing LG dishwashers and HE washers? Perhaps if you'd care to actually engage in rational discussion rather simply bashing ad nauseam based entirely on cherry picked hearsay "evidence", people may not consider that you are trolling.
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Post# 848703 , Reply# 48   10/30/2015 at 17:45 (3,072 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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While you are sitting there. There are a number of reasons why a dishwasher does not have to just blast high pressure at the dishes to get them clean. Noise level is not an indicator of effectiveness.
Besides the afore mentioned energy and water savings, you don't need a high pressure blast in all instances.
Take for example if you were hand washing a baking dish. If the food was dried on and stuck on, a reasonable person would usually soak the dish for awhile before scrubbing it. Usually the more you soak the softer more hydrated the stuck on food becomes and it just slides off with minimal effort.
Modern dishwashers work on this principal in many ways, they use gentle cascades of water rather than blasts. The gentle continued "soak" loosens the food and allows it to be washed away. This process does not take 3 hours. The longest cycle on my machine runs about 90 - 120 minutes. This is not an issue as I usually run it at night anyway. Some machines have a steam generator whereas the steam is used to loosen the food and allow it to be washed away,
No this is not your mother's hurricane as previously stated earlier in this thread. But it isn't needed. Also this process with an enzyme detergent is more gentle on your dishes. True you can wash Grandma's fine china with a Pressure washer, but is it necessary? And would it be harder on the dishes.
My dishwasher, again as I stated, is very quiet. Not because it has no water movement, but because there is about a 2 inch layer of insulation all around the tub, below the kick panel and in the door.
Now continue to sit there on that naughty step and look at your keyboard for other punctuation that would be more appropriate in a civil society.
I do appreciate your curiosity, and interest, but consider your question answered, and answered, and answered. I look forward to talking with you again on another subject. Remember no more (!) allowed.
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Post# 848767 , Reply# 53   10/30/2015 at 22:41 (3,072 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I could be wrong, but the ldf and the lds series both use different types of pumps, is this wrong or correct? Please confirm. |
Post# 848791 , Reply# 54   10/31/2015 at 05:26 (3,071 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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GELaundry4ever,
What on Earth has the LG company ever done to you?, if you find their products so objectionable don't buy them, same for Samsung. If you want to know about the inner workings of their products and the various features,why don't you ring them or email them and ask. I will say Samsung have had a big issue here in Australia in the last few years with certain top load models catching fire/exploding and it is slowly getting worked through. As for GE, my GE Side-By-Side fridge freezer, which incidentally cost me over $3000 Aus dollars died after only 6 years of normal use and now the LG replacement which is nearly as old and cost half as much has not missed a beat. It is simply bad luck for me, all companies both good and average make lemons now and then. You also mention Speed Queen, I agree they look like very good quality machines, however I will not pay such high prices, (and they cost more than $2000 Aus.)for white goods again especially after the GE fridge drama. |