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Post# 855861   12/9/2015 at 17:52 (3,053 days old) by PHMorrow (Knoxville, TN)        

I just bought this set 3weeks ago, I tried to post videos on here but it wouldn't let me do it. I would like to service this machine as I am going to use it regularly. How should I go about greasing the mechanism? Last night I had a small load in and when it went into a spin cycle it went off balance pretty bad.. I don't know how these washers are designed but I had a filter flo do the same thing and it tore the tub boot. should I be concerned or am I just overthinking things? I would be grateful for any kind of info from any of you Frigidaire guys out there... Thanks




Post# 855877 , Reply# 1   12/9/2015 at 20:08 (3,053 days old) by davy1063 (Pennsylvania)        
NEVER!!!!!!

Lubricate a Rollermatic mechanism!!!! Keep any lubricants away from the rollers or any surface they contact!! If it's going off balance, make sure the load is distributed evenly (in quadrants) in the tub.

Post# 855881 , Reply# 2   12/9/2015 at 20:33 (3,053 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Out Of Balance Load

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When a load goes OOB in a spin drain machine you usually have way too little clothing in the machine for the amount of water you used, or you are washing very heavy towels etc with much lighter items like sheets.

 

Rapid-Dry 1010 Frigidaire washers are one of my favorite Frigidaire machines I have two of them.


Post# 855892 , Reply# 3   12/9/2015 at 21:34 (3,053 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        

It was a small load of whites. I had it on the small load setting but the over flow rinse filled the tub up and caused it to go out of balance. I was referring to lubricating the ball joint. It seems noisy at times, not bad just here and there it will make a little noise.

Post# 855899 , Reply# 4   12/9/2015 at 22:02 (3,053 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        

It was a small load of whites. I had it on the small load setting but the over flow rinse filled the tub up and caused it to go out of balance. I was referring to lubricating the ball joint. It seems noisy at times, not bad just here and there it will make a little noise.

Post# 855931 , Reply# 5   12/10/2015 at 06:51 (3,052 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Ball Joint On RollerMatic Frigidaire

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Can be adjusted for wear and the tinniest drop of high grade silicone oil could be added when you have it apart.

 

You want to be very careful not to get any lubricant of any type on the drive rollers, if you do the machine will not run until you get it all off.


Post# 855936 , Reply# 6   12/10/2015 at 07:04 (3,052 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Ball joint adjustment

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Under the ball joint you will see a castellated nut. Turning that nut will be tough but it is supposed to be tough. You can turn it with a bicycle wrench and you only need to turn it between 1/32-1/16 of an inch to shore up the bearing. It will feel very tight but that will eliminate the knocking which is caused by wear of the delrin bearing inside against the ball. It does not need lubricating, the delrin is self lubricating. 

The rollers are also self lubricating with a very dry black lubricant the only comes into play when they are turning, as the rollers heat the lubricant flows-- at room temperature it looks and feels like a black tar--well sometimes they used a gray compound too.

 

The biggest noise is created by loose or dirty clutch plates. They can chatter.

 

 

On the lid there maybe a loading diagram to show you how to load in quadrants, and for a solid tub machine the more clothes packed in the better. I've seen Robert cram towels in there thinking uh oh but his loads always balance- BASTARD !

Also a neat trick I've learned from JohnE is cut 4 squares of rug grip and place them under the legs , she won't move until hell freezes over.

My "Fringedaire" used to walk all over the basement from one side to the other, now she is locked down !

 


Post# 855972 , Reply# 7   12/10/2015 at 09:34 (3,052 days old) by PHMorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
@Jet Cone

LOL thanks for the Info., How would I go about cleaning or replacing the clutch plates? Also, on the bottom of the castellated nut there is a screw, kind of in between the nut and the ball joint. There is a hole on the other side for a screw also, but the screw is missing. Is this normal or am I missing a screw? With all of that being said, do you think this machine will be ok for regular use? I don't want to damage it, seeing that parts are hard to find for these things.

Post# 855977 , Reply# 8   12/10/2015 at 09:54 (3,052 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
I've seen Robert cram towels in there

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It's because of his innate magical abilities. :-)

Post# 855983 , Reply# 9   12/10/2015 at 10:33 (3,052 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
LOL NATE !!!

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Yes there is one lock screw, not two , never two , never saw two !

 

 

Wonderful machine for laundry. I wouldnt get into the clutch unless you really feel the need. Sometimes they just smooth out after use too.

Its very important to load properly because you machine I think was introduced before the "Sure-Spin" clutch. That was introduced to create a lot of slip at start up so clothes didn't lump up in the wash water and cause OOB.

 


Post# 855989 , Reply# 10   12/10/2015 at 11:03 (3,052 days old) by PHMorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
OK

Thank you for all of your advice on this machine, it is greatly appreciated. I don't know a whole lot about these machines but I am a mechanically inclined person so I'm willing to get my hands dirty to keep this beautiful machine going. Hopefully it will last for years to come.

Post# 856020 , Reply# 11   12/10/2015 at 14:47 (3,052 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )        
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

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on your 1967 rapidry frigidaire!!! i can't wait to see some pictures!!!
;o)

sorry i can't offer any advice or tips, as i am totally non-mechanically inclined!!! but i do share in your excitement!!!

:o)


Post# 856024 , Reply# 12   12/10/2015 at 15:23 (3,052 days old) by PHMorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
Thank you guys

Thanks so much for the kind words everybody. I'm so glad there are other people out there who share the same weird washer infatuation that I do!! I will try and get some picture/ videos of them on here soon... I already tried once but did not succeed.

Post# 856112 , Reply# 13   12/11/2015 at 07:48 (3,051 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Aferim!

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I love these machines and I'm glad you were fortunate to find one. There were so many of them around here in the late eighties and early nineties, but they must have all been dumped.

 

I'm also glad you found this site and had the same epiphany that most of us experienced. I still think the Rollermatics were some of the coolest washing machines ever marketed.


Post# 856333 , Reply# 14   12/12/2015 at 19:08 (3,050 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
FINALLY

Was able to upload some pics!!

  Photos...       <              >      Photo 1 of 10         View Full Size
Post# 856335 , Reply# 15   12/12/2015 at 19:24 (3,050 days old) by LaVidaBoem ()        
Hello Neighbor, and Merry Christmas...

Just wanted to wish you well with that set...really nice.

 

Have you thought about your retirement plans lately..??

 

I would like to personally help with any thing in that realm that I possibly could;

perhaps, a substantial contribution to the fund of your choice (including, but not limited to your back pocket!)>>??

 

I have heard that Santa is kinda busy this year...so, you know, I was kinda like, you know, thinking...

Load 'em up, and bring them to me??

I might could even throw in another set while we look over your finances??

 

Just kidding, but if you ever...well, keep me in mind.

 

I love Avocado of all them colors more than should be reasonable...:)

 

Have a Good One,

LaVidaBoem

 

********************************************************************

The trouble with Trouble,...is that it starts out as fun!

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Edited: TWICE...I must be tired...You boys and Girls have a Good Night!

Time for one of them deep soak cycles...in the bathtub!




This post was last edited 12/12/2015 at 22:05
Post# 856337 , Reply# 16   12/12/2015 at 19:31 (3,050 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Wow, this does have the variable water level and 4 spin speeds. 


Post# 856345 , Reply# 17   12/12/2015 at 20:16 (3,050 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        

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Very Nice!  Congratulations!  I've never seen an "Imperial" before, just a Custom Imperial.  I have two '67s similar.  A Custom Deluxe and a Custom Imperial.  If you need advice this is a great place for it.  I've had these machines apart in every form and fashion possible in the last 7 years I've been a member of AW.  Check out my threads on here.


Post# 856350 , Reply# 18   12/12/2015 at 20:29 (3,050 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Thanks for the pics - that's a beautiful set. One of the softest (and quietest) dryers, too.

I believe the washer has only two water levels, looks like timed fill/wash settings on timer dial.

Congrats, collectively, we should help you keep those running for a long time. Enjoy them!


Post# 856351 , Reply# 19   12/12/2015 at 20:34 (3,050 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)        

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I see avocado, a paneled laundry room, and lighted control panels.

Some people just know how to live.

My hats off to you. These are beautiful !


Post# 856362 , Reply# 20   12/12/2015 at 21:39 (3,050 days old) by rapidry1000 (San Francisco)        

The washer had an infinite water level control with the introduction of metered fill for the washer.

Post# 856363 , Reply# 21   12/12/2015 at 21:41 (3,050 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Those are just beautiful.

My favorite series/year



Post# 856369 , Reply# 22   12/12/2015 at 22:27 (3,050 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        
Excuse me...

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While I run to get a bowl for my drool..!!! Absolutely beautiful set in stunning avocado green, no less. Awesome find -- have fun!

Post# 856405 , Reply# 23   12/13/2015 at 08:34 (3,049 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
67 Frigidaire Imperial Rapid-Dry 1000 Pair

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Beautiful and rare pair, it is so cool to find a QUALITY low use pair of machines that have been well cared for as well. What is the story about these machines that allowed them to survive?

 

These are fun machines to use but if you do more than a few loads of laundry a week I would hope you have other machines to share the work, keeping these machines going would be about as much work and expense as trying to drive a 67 Oldsmobile Tornado every day to work etc. and the parts for this washer and dryer are even harder to get than parts for the Olds.

 

Keep us posted how you make out with these machines, there are several members here including myself that know a lot about these rare and unusual machines.

 

John L.


Post# 856428 , Reply# 24   12/13/2015 at 11:27 (3,049 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
Thank you

Guys for all of the kind words... they came out of a doctor's house in Alabama. The entire lower level of his house was all vintage from TVs to mixers, some of which were never opened. I don't think they were used very much, or they have been previously restored. The only thing that was dirty on the washer was the snubber cross plate, and just a little bit of mildew under the main top. I do have a Maytag 806 from 1974. I only have one space for a washer, dryer to hook up. I don't do a whole lot of laundry through out the week, so hopefully I will be able to leave these hooked up for normal use. I would like to rebuild the agitate arm. How would I go about getting it out of the machine?

Post# 856475 , Reply# 25   12/13/2015 at 16:48 (3,049 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Tightening Up A Worn Or Loose Agitate Arm

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You do not even have to remove he agitate arm to tighten and lubricate the agitate ball, however if the sealed bearing is starting ti fail in the arm assembly you would need to replace the complete the arm assembly.


Post# 856478 , Reply# 26   12/13/2015 at 16:59 (3,049 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
I think

That's what is happening.. a little piece of rubber came out of the top of the ball joint... what should I do? Try and tighten the nut, or take it apart? If it needs to be rebuilt where could I get the seal that I need or how would I make one?

Post# 856498 , Reply# 27   12/13/2015 at 21:44 (3,049 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        
Now,

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Let's talk about what is happening here.  First rule that I operate by is that if it ain't broke don't fix it.  Please tell me ( and the rest of us following here who are also experts ) what is wrong with the machine and the agitate arm.  A video would be nice too.  What I don't want is to see you tearing into something unnecessarily.  What you probably saw come from the top of the ball joint was a small piece of the wicking material from inside that is getting rotten.  Even so that's not a cause per se to tear the whole thing apart.  Let take this one step at a time together.  At this point there is no need to remove anything from the machine.

 

I also read above that you mentioned that you thought the ball joint was making some noise, just a little, and at times.  These mechanisms aren't noted for their quiet operation and if the machine has been sitting a while a good workout may be just what is needed to settle it down.  I've seen many a Frigidaire act strange after sitting too long.


Post# 856501 , Reply# 28   12/13/2015 at 22:01 (3,049 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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It should be quite easy to find where the noise comes from. It could also come from an agitate arm bearing that's a bit loose or by the agitate shaft bushing that's worn.

BTW, your machine should have the Sure-Spin clutch. By 1967, all models had it. And your machine could be from 1967 but it's a 1968 "N" model. Most Frigidaire washers built between mid-1967 to mid-1970 were "N" models.


Post# 856503 , Reply# 29   12/13/2015 at 22:38 (3,049 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
agitator shaft

So.. I figured out how the ball joint comes apart from the agitator shaft, with them apart there is the smallest amount of slack in the agitator shaft. When wiggled it makes the exact noise I hear when it is in use. I will try and get a video up asap. Is this normal? Will it hurt the machine if I continue to use it?

Post# 856517 , Reply# 30   12/14/2015 at 05:51 (3,048 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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You mean the agitator shaft bearing is loose (not on the ball joint end but on the other end)? If you have a YouTube or Flickr account, you can post a video there and just copy the link in this thread. (You Tube videos will be automatically embedded with the link to the video, you don't need to select the "embed" link)

I don't know if you already downloaded the service information from the "Manuals & Literature" section of this site for the 1968 "N" model Rollermatic washers but it's available.

Here's the link:
www.automatice.org/cgi-bin/index....


Post# 856551 , Reply# 31   12/14/2015 at 10:34 (3,048 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
agitator shaft bearing

When dis connected the shaft had a little play in it, not much. You could also here it if you wiggle the agitator. It also makes a little knock while spinning, I assume it's coming from the agitator/shaft. I will try and upload a video later on in the day.

Post# 856577 , Reply# 32   12/14/2015 at 15:25 (3,048 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
Video....

Hope this works!!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO phmorrow's LINK


Post# 856586 , Reply# 33   12/14/2015 at 16:46 (3,048 days old) by miele_ge (Danbury, Connecticut)        
video is marked "private"

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You will need to make it public some how.

 

 


Post# 856592 , Reply# 34   12/14/2015 at 17:25 (3,048 days old) by PHMorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
Video

The video link above should work now.

Post# 856593 , Reply# 35   12/14/2015 at 17:30 (3,048 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Still private.


Post# 856599 , Reply# 36   12/14/2015 at 18:16 (3,048 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
shouldnt

Be now!! Finally.

Post# 856601 , Reply# 37   12/14/2015 at 18:24 (3,048 days old) by ken (NYS)        

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Works now.

Post# 856612 , Reply# 38   12/14/2015 at 19:45 (3,048 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
shouldnt

Be now!! Finally.

Post# 856618 , Reply# 39   12/14/2015 at 20:33 (3,048 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        

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I sincerely don't think you have anything there to be concerned about.  Most of the Rollermatics I've heard (including my own) sound like this or louder in some cases.  Most 1-18's are definitely louder.  Others here may differ on my opinion however.  Phil is more attuned to the sounds than I am and can maybe provide futher advice.   Other members as well have taken to great lengths to sound insulate their machines.

 

Phil, by the way, while we are discussing these particular machines have you ever come up with a good solution to replace that darn ring nut that holds on the clutch?  All of them I've worked on always breaks the locking tabs off and then you have to mess with using Loctite.


Post# 856631 , Reply# 40   12/14/2015 at 21:42 (3,048 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Joe,

I never had to replace one of the tabs on the lock ring, I was careful not to break tabs on mine and reused it without problems but I don't think I could have done it many times!

Pat,
There's something that makes noise, I can see that the agitate roller isn't moving smoothly, it's hard to tell if it's what makes that noise or not. Look at the roller for a flat spot...

You can try to move parts manually while the washer is disconnected. If the ball joint, the acorn-shaped coupling above it, the agitate shaft bushing or the agitate arm bearing...


Post# 856641 , Reply# 41   12/14/2015 at 22:45 (3,048 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
alright

I moved the mechanism manually and it seems to be smooth with no noise. When in spin cycle it has a little bit of noise inside the wash tub... when you put pressure on the agitator the noise stops. Does this make any sense?

Post# 856680 , Reply# 42   12/15/2015 at 05:18 (3,047 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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It could be the agitate shaft lower bushing that's a bit loose.

Here's a video I made of mine, I was moving the agitator (not up and down but from one side to another) to show the play in the agitate shaft bushing.






Post# 856691 , Reply# 43   12/15/2015 at 07:09 (3,047 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
something I haven't seen before

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What's the little red light on the extreme RH side of the washer panel?


Post# 856692 , Reply# 44   12/15/2015 at 07:27 (3,047 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Thats the LINT AWAY light

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it tells you in rinse when lint is being taken away. TOL item.

 

That sound is not bad for a rollermatic but it could be a worn agitate shaft bearing which is no great shakes, or the castellated nut still isn't tight enough. The clue is the rate of tapping its in time with the agitation.


Post# 856699 , Reply# 45   12/15/2015 at 08:42 (3,047 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
wow

Mine is nothing like that at all. Mine just barely moves just enough to make some noise I guess. Is it normal for the agitator to make noise during spin cycle? ( knock sound )

Post# 856793 , Reply# 46   12/15/2015 at 20:31 (3,047 days old) by davy1063 (Pennsylvania)        
Here's a video of my 1967 Custom Imperial running....

doesn't sound much different than yours, maybe a little joint clatter....

CLICK HERE TO GO TO davy1063's LINK


Post# 856854 , Reply# 47   12/16/2015 at 04:21 (3,046 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I think the "lint-away" light was used on all 1968-70 washers that were pressure-filled.

I have never seen a machine which had that light (my only pressure-filled Rollermatic is a 1967 model).

I'm wondering when it comes on? Just during the overflow rinses? Does it come on during the overflow period of the "soak" cycle?

About the noise during spin, you should have a look at the agitate roller while the washer spins. If it bounces like in the agitation video, it could be what causes the noise. One of my 1-18 washers had a flat spot on it's agitate roller. It didn't make exactly the metallic noise your machine does during the agitation period but it did make a strange irregular noise during the spin period.

It can also be caused by the agitate shaft bushing. On my 1968 Gold Crown washer there was also some noise during the spin cycle before I replaced that bushing.


Post# 856864 , Reply# 48   12/16/2015 at 06:18 (3,046 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Congratulations!

I had that washer model for several years.

Post# 856917 , Reply# 49   12/16/2015 at 12:29 (3,046 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Congratulations, those are beautiful. I would be reluctant to use them more than than once or twice a month. I would have enjoyed seeing the rest of the doctor's vintage goodies.

Post# 857204 , Reply# 50   12/17/2015 at 22:20 (3,045 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
Thank you

Guys for all of your advice. Does anyone know where I could possibly find the lower agitator shaft bushings?

Post# 857231 , Reply# 51   12/18/2015 at 03:03 (3,044 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Eh, that's the problem... I had to have one fabricated! Frigidaire never sold that part separately...

See this thread about it:

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...



Post# 857232 , Reply# 52   12/18/2015 at 05:05 (3,044 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Cool machines, but impractical by today's standards. Just can't keep using 50+ year old machines as daily drivers when there are no parts for them. Sooner or later they break down and you have nothing to repair them with. That is why I chose to join the 21st century and buy new ones for daily use.

Post# 857274 , Reply# 53   12/18/2015 at 10:01 (3,044 days old) by wigwag (San Diego)        
Thank You!!!

I believe my grandparents had a version of these exact machines in the same color, the washer went out soon after I was born (I was born in 73) but I recall the dryer and have faint memories of the washer. Now I can finally know they were 69 models! Does anyone know if there were other versions of this model for 67 or perhaps have a catalog with a photo so I can see which set they had?

Thank you for sharing!!!
Steven


Post# 857277 , Reply# 54   12/18/2015 at 10:22 (3,044 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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There was no exact version of this machine in the 1967 "L" line. This "N" model was made from mid-1967 to mid-1970. The 1967 models had lighter color control panels, either white or matched with the cabinet color. Black/Silver was used in the "N" and "P" lines. (the "P" models were introduced later as 1969 models in 1968 and were made at the same time as other "N" models).

Post# 857406 , Reply# 55   12/19/2015 at 12:16 (3,043 days old) by phmorrow (Knoxville, TN)        
just found and purchased

A junk 1-18.... the cabinet is junk but the mechanism looks to be in good shape with some other parts also... will the agitator shaft bushings interchange with a solid tub machine?

Post# 857469 , Reply# 56   12/19/2015 at 21:44 (3,043 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
no

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I don't think a single part is interchangeable, Frigidaire [ GM ]was smart enough to upgrade almost every thing when they went to the larger capacity 1-18 machine.



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