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Post# 856924   12/16/2015 at 14:18 (469 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        

I “rescued” this old 1100 recently and am wondering what to do with it.

It’s not in the best condition. I have no idea if it is a particularly unusual or rare model, or if any of you guys want to pick at it for spares.

Starting with the good bits:
It is complete and not majorly rusty
The outer tub is not perforated
Later Logic back plate and pulley fitted (so no taper bearings fitted)
Drum Bearings are good
Powder button works(!)
I checked it on a short spin, so it operates. Not tested it on any other cycles, though.

Bad bits:
Body needs repainting
Door seal is REALLY disgusting and mouldy
Outer chrome ring is missing from the door
Top is damaged (I have a spare)
Door does not open from the button (broken plastic behind) – does this (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HOOVER-BEZEL-R... ) fix it?
Fascia is cracked in places and some buttons feel very stiff (perhaps broken)
Dispenser not in great order
Motor brushes worn

Also, the timer has had a few dodgy repairs done to the wiring (photographed) – I wonder if anyone can comment on why this has been done, looking at the pics. Do these timers fail?

I would only consider repairing it, if anyone here has a few second hand bits that they are happy to sell, such as a better fascia and chrome door ring. Does anyone have these parts from a scrap machine at all?

Alternatively, I would sell for what the machine owes me (£30). I can help with delivery.

Finally, I could break the machine up and scrap the remains if anyone needs spares.

Pics for your delectation…



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Post# 856933 , Reply# 1   12/16/2015 at 14:38 (469 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
To Save Or Not

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I used to get this a lot when I was working with various machines that came in.

The workings bar the programmer are all standard issue 1100 parts, so I would save them, I would also save the programmer and door oh and have a look at the rear wheels they are rubber if they are not too mishaped have them aswell.......

now I know why ended up with a garage full up with spares :-)


Post# 856938 , Reply# 2   12/16/2015 at 14:53 (469 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
re

Oh yes, that's another negative, the rear wheels are squashed.

Do you have any of the front plastic pieces at all electron1100?

R


Post# 857300 , Reply# 3   12/18/2015 at 13:37 (467 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
bump

So...err anyone in the UK bothered? Lol...

Post# 857373 , Reply# 4   12/19/2015 at 02:54 (466 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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sorry I have not got any fascias at all now

Post# 857375 , Reply# 5   12/19/2015 at 04:35 (466 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Thanks

Cheers Gary. I presume that the fascia backing is totally obsolete now. I may take the bezel off the machine to see if its repairable. Other than that, a matching timer knob and a powder drawer would be useful. Also any ideas in the repairs done to the timer at all?

Post# 857376 , Reply# 6   12/19/2015 at 04:36 (466 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Timer

I'll post pics of the timer wiring shortly...

Post# 857377 , Reply# 7   12/19/2015 at 05:15 (466 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London UK)        
3060

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I am sorry I cannot be more help, but it might be worth contacting Rob (Aquarius1984) or Paul (MatchboxPaul) as they may have parts in their stash.

If you are looking to move it on there was a posting in Shoppers Square for someone in Guildford looking for a 3060 - details on the link.

Al


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Post# 857429 , Reply# 8   12/19/2015 at 16:10 (466 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
First spin run

Got the machine plugged in and ran it on a long spin. The machine appears to advance very fast through the stages with the 500 spin taking around 20 secs, the 800 spin around 30 and the 1100 a little longer but definitely under the specified two minutes. Is this something anyone has come across before?

R


Post# 858030 , Reply# 9   12/23/2015 at 16:09 (462 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
So...

Any ideas about the rapidly advancing timer guys? I thought that I had a flash of inspiration and that the fast wash button was pressed but nope...

Post# 858120 , Reply# 10   12/24/2015 at 05:31 (461 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
The plot thickens

Taking the top off reveals some suspect wiring repairs made to the timer. There appears to be an extra jumper wire in blue that goes from the third top right row of wires to the advance motor on the left closest to the machine body.

Then, as the pics show, an orange wire is crudely jointed onto a blue wire that leads to the other advance motor, which is the one on the right when standing at the back of the machine looking forward. The other wire for the same motor is jointed onto the pictured grey wire Any idea as to what this means and why?

Thanks again


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Post# 858896 , Reply# 11   12/29/2015 at 03:45 (456 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
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So any ideas or suggestions about the timer issue at all? Grateful for any comments or observations..

R


Post# 858939 , Reply# 12   12/29/2015 at 11:09 (456 days old) by Supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        

Hi Rob,

I'm not that familiar with Hoover washing machines but could it be that the timer cam barrel got damaged or 'flat' in a particular section causing the timer to stick in the relevant part of the programme? A repairman may have then fiddled with the timer wiring to avoid that damaged section of the cam barrel.

Have you tried removing the link wire to see what happens?

Hope I'm of some help.

James


Post# 858972 , Reply# 13   12/29/2015 at 14:46 (456 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Timers are joined by a blue wire

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and then 1 has a grey wire and the other has an orange one the blue ones usually went on any negative connection and the other coloured ones on the timer as to what colour went where is beyond my recall capabilities :o)
and it looks to me like someone has changed the timer motors at some point and thats why they change colour.
Hope this helps?

Austin


Post# 860413 , Reply# 14   1/6/2016 at 11:27 (448 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Rob

Happy New Year. You like a challenge don't you? Have you got any further with this? I used to have one of these machines years ago - it had been dumped with a split drum so I switched the drum out of an A3060 to get it working - it was in the days when I thought newer was better!! I gave it to a friend of mine and the door release broke and was repaired - not by me - using some string see picture!

My first thought when I saw the pictures of the green knob was that that was the colour of the 800 spin machines but I don't think the timer is. I have had a look at my limited Hoover information from 1986 so a couple of years after your machine and have a wiring diagram for the B966-2T and 3T which I've included in case they help - they are for model A3386 which seems to have the same buttons. Sounds like the rapid advance is working when it shouldn't. Let us know how you get on

S :)


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Post# 860414 , Reply# 15   1/6/2016 at 11:28 (448 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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I've done a full sized pic of the timer diagram - hopefully clearer to see

Post# 861845 , Reply# 16   1/14/2016 at 14:55 (440 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
The latest...

Hi gents,
Sorry for the serious delay in not expressing my thanks for the suggestions. Thanks to everyone who has read my wafflings.

I’ve managed to take a further look at the machine and it seems as though someone has been buggering about with the timer motors.

Someone has replaced the timing motor with a rapid advance motor and wired it the wrong way round. Having corrected the error, the timer still advances too quickly.

Are the rapid advance motor and the timing motor interchangeable? Do they run at the same speeds?

Thanks again!

R


Post# 862400 , Reply# 17   1/17/2016 at 17:31 (437 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
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Oh I have another query. What is the difference between a b966 timer and a d966 timer? Are they interchangeable?

Thanks again.

R


Post# 863093 , Reply# 18   1/20/2016 at 15:43 (434 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Bump...

Anyone? Please?

Post# 863420 , Reply# 19   1/22/2016 at 02:34 (433 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
motors

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as far as I know the two motors run at the same speed, I put them round the wrong way once.
There are lots of little variations on timers of the same type, it can be a single function that is altered but nothing major.
providing the advance motor is wired correctly it should only come on every two minutes for a few seconds.

If you have a spare timer put it in, Thanks to Steve for giving a wiring diagram.

Good luck
Gary


Post# 863494 , Reply# 20   1/22/2016 at 11:26 (432 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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I'm no expert but I have consulted the Washing Machine Manual and have copied these pages in case they help - uploaded the old way for clarity. I did read somewhere that sometimes these dual motor timers have one that goes clockwise and one anticlockwise but not sure if this applies to these timers.

Hope it helps
S


Post# 863495 , Reply# 21   1/22/2016 at 11:27 (432 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Post# 863496 , Reply# 22   1/22/2016 at 11:28 (432 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Post# 863497 , Reply# 23   1/22/2016 at 11:32 (432 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Just realised it refers to a description on the first page so here's that!

Post# 864154 , Reply# 24   1/26/2016 at 12:02 (428 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
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Thanks for your most recent replies. I think that the advance motor is operating far too quickly - every 20 secs or so. I think that the wiring is now correct.

Steve, thanks so much for replicating the manual - I have the book already though, and I really need more specific information about the B966 timer, versus the D966 timer.

What I have done is pick up a brand new D966 timer, which I think is for the 800rpm version of the A3260 and I will try to transfer the motors from that to the original timer, so see if that makes any difference.

If not, I wonder if the timer can be swapped over, and wired in a way that would make the 500rpm spin redundant, so that only 800 and 1100 remain.

What do you think?...

R


Post# 864664 , Reply# 25   1/29/2016 at 13:20 (425 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Update

Well I replaced the timer motors but it made no difference. So, considering this extra issue, I feel that the machine is beyond economical repair for me. If anyone wishes to to take it on, let me know. I shall pop it on eBay - if there are no bids, I shall break it up for spares and scrap the remains.

So, does anyone want to take it on?

R


Post# 864665 , Reply# 26   1/29/2016 at 13:27 (425 days old) by E685X (Italy)        

Hi!
Can I have a circuit diagram of the motor control board?
Thanks in advance.


Post# 864699 , Reply# 27   1/29/2016 at 16:42 (425 days old) by Sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Rob

I've had another look in my Service data book. It's not clear as this book is 1986 so it covers models under the A3 series. However it references both B966 and D966 timers - hopefully the attached helps if you fancy a final go at it. It looks like it should be interchangeable so you could have a go at swapping the timers over although as you say the 966 is for 800 machines so there is one less connection between the timer and the motor. 5H on the timer is the one that is missing and that goes to terminal 3 on the motor and is coloured y/w. The other connections look the same although these machines have low temperature buttons rather than the fast normal switches.

The book doesn't seem to have any diagrams for the module I'm afraid

S :)


Post# 864774 , Reply# 28   1/30/2016 at 06:54 (424 days old) by E685X (Italy)        

How unfortunate!

Is there anyone which has got a scanned diagram here on the forum?
Even Hotpoint ones would do just fine ;-)!


Post# 864803 , Reply# 29   1/30/2016 at 11:32 (424 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        

Thanks for scanning this Steve. I made an error as time timer I have is a D965 not a D966. Doh! There are quite a few missing connections so it definitely is not a simple swap over job.

On another tack, another machine that may be beyond economical repair here is our trusty Bosch WFL2260. We have had it for 9 years and we bought it second hand. It needs a cold water valve, door gasket, brushes and the suspension is going a bit saggy. May spend the cash on it or replace it with a Hoover Logic or something as we need a hot and cold water feed.

Rob


Post# 865064 , Reply# 30   2/1/2016 at 11:12 (422 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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No worries Rob. That's a shame - I don't think I have anything that references that number timer. Not really sure why the old one would speed through the cycle though if both motors are working correctly. There must be something simple with how it is wired. Looking at the circuit drawing the rapid advance motor wires back to the thermostat so not sure if there is an issue there which might cause it to be energised all the time!

The problem with some of these old machines is that when (if) you find the parts quite often they are quite expensive. Good luck anyway

Steve



Post# 865080 , Reply# 31   2/1/2016 at 13:24 (422 days old) by E685X (Italy)        

I'm sure you'll be able to fix it.
Worst case scenario...you know who you could help with its pieces ;-).


Post# 865225 , Reply# 32   2/2/2016 at 16:38 (421 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
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Steve. You are a genius. A thermostat issue would make sense in making the timer advance quickly as it is now. I'll take the back off, remove some wires and will report back.

R


Post# 865802 , Reply# 33   2/6/2016 at 10:14 (417 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
update

As a last ditch attempt, I disconnected the thermostat wires and the heater. The timer still advances too quickly - the last 1100rpm spin is less than 30 seconds, so something is still not quite right.

Anyone need any parts? If I had a 1970s front loser, I'd rebuild it, but there seems to be quite a lot of these A3260s around, so I think this one is a breaker...

R


Post# 865823 , Reply# 34   2/6/2016 at 13:46 (417 days old) by triumphdolomite (Staffs(UK))        
Silly Question

Rob
What does it do on the other section of the timer if you select slow spin, prog P. Is that too quick too? Not sure where I'm going with this theory yet......
Looking at the Product Data Manual I have I think you are correct about the D965 timers, they appear to be OE for the 600 and 800rpm machines.
Ian.


Post# 867584 , Reply# 35   2/17/2016 at 12:41 (406 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
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Hi Ian. Sorry for the delay in replying. On the short spin P, the spin lasts for fewer than 30 secs, so I presume it is still over-advancing.

It did not sell on eBay, despite having loads of watchers. It's back on again. If it comes to tipping it, do you want it for spares to repair your Electron?

R


Post# 867598 , Reply# 36   2/17/2016 at 15:19 (406 days old) by triumphdolomite (Staffs(UK))        

Hi Rob
If it doesn't go this time let me know I could probably have a go at doing something with it.
Thanks
Ian


Post# 869604 , Reply# 37   2/28/2016 at 16:08 (395 days old) by matchboxpaul (Just north of Derby, U.K)        

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Hi Rob.

Hopefully you will find it a new home.

Always annoying when, no matter how hard you try to help a machine, it just doesn't want to play ball. One niggling, unidentified fault playing havoc.

Paul





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