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Newer Kitchenaid Dishwasher --- Sad to say the least!

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Post# 128397 5/12/2006 at 22:31 (6,551 days old) by brent-aucoin ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 Well, I was on Craigslist today at work, and I saw an ad for a free Stainless Steel Kitchenaid dishwasher, 2 years old, come pick it up. I thought what the heck, it is on the way home, and I could play with it and see what the newer Kitchenaid is made of. Nice married couple just bought a home, and they are redoing the kitchen. I loooked at it and decided that this model is still on the floor at Lowes and other places. I was able to pick it up myself and load it in the wagon. It is a Kitchenaid KUD101TJWHO, or something like that. Well, I hooked it up in the garage, and could not get over how quiet it was. I then decided to open it up and trick the switch, and watch it in motion. I could not get over what I saw. To sum it up...a child could uriniate with harder pressure than this dishwasher! I could not get over what I was seeing! Every spot of the dishwasher was being hit with water, but it was like a nice summer drizzle! You don't need a demo glass with this one folks! You can just run it with the door open! I am serious! I then drained it, and turned it on it's side to examine the bottom of the washer. I can say that I don't see how this machine passes for saftey! I am stunned at how it is all put together. The entire "sump" that contains the motor for washing, and the drain pump is all connected together. There is three pull clips that come out so easy. When you pull these baby clips out, the entire sump falls out! I could not get over this. After looking at this even more, I could not get over all of the "gutters" around electrical parts. Main wash motor, drain pump, and such have this "gutter" to drip the water away when there is a leak. I decided to fill it up and let it run, and see what I could see. No leaks. Wow! Then I started to just barely push on the "sump" housing, and water started coming from everywhere! Are all of the Kitchenaid dishwasher built like this now? Even the high line $1,400 machines? I am still stunned! I would not even give this machine away for use for the fact that I would be scared that this sump would leak, and shock someone, or flood their home. Has anyone else noticed this junk? Brent

Post# 128477 , Reply# 1 5/13/2006 at 08:57 (6,551 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *I've seen the same thing with Frigidaire* I was shocked (not literally) when I saw the underside of my folk's Frigidaire. How it keeps from leaking is the real mystery. I don't know how it got through the UL testing. Maybe it didn't? These machines have had every ounce of quality designed out of them. That thing is held together with screws sunk directly into the plastic tub - one repair and they are so loose, no idea how they should hold up to vibration. Their same age Maytag is a bit better, but not very confidence inspiring. I've taken it on the chin here for critising US quality, but this is scary. US companies wouldn't have sold that sort of stuff 30 years ago for fear the in-warranty costs would bankrupt their service departments. What on earth are folks thinking? These are not inexpensive but very cheap machines!

Post# 128585 , Reply# 2 5/13/2006 at 17:51 (6,550 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Well, I can say that my Bosch SHU43CU absolutely must run with the door closed. In fact you have to wait a few seconds after unlatching the door before opening it, if you don't want to get sprayed. Too bad the new KA's are built so flimsy. I knew this was a problem with Frigidaire - my model was so rickety that the upper rack would routinely fall off its tracks, and the recirculation filter was so poorly designed it would let major food particles like sunflower seeds through to clog the spray arms (or redeposit on the dishes). You might want to hook the machine up to a hot water tap and run a load of dirty dishes through it, just to see if it cleans at all. You might also check for a clogged spray tube or defective spray pump. A summer drizzle just doesn't sound right to me.

Post# 128672 , Reply# 3 5/14/2006 at 01:31 (6,550 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)
Checkrate/Likes 1 That sounds really scary-the flimsy-sump and pump assembly held by clips-makes me wonder if vibration from the motor could loosen them and---wet floor!!instead of washed dishes.Could double as a floor flooder-washer.A dishwasher to be installed by a jokester.After hearing this-may be time to stock up somehow on VINTAGE Hobart KA machines.Its really sad how WP has trashed KA reputation.WP is now doing it with the KA mixer--I have a newer one and put it away-got out and use my older one instead-the newer KA mixer motor makes the most disturbing "whine".And their food processers are now made in China.I am wondering if its piddle spray is due to something clogged in its "drop-out" pump.Thats probably why those folks wanted to dump it for free.And WP-KA calls these things "improvements"??

Post# 129054 , Reply# 4 5/16/2006 at 07:56 (6,548 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes 1 But, it makes LESS NOISE and it uses LESS WATER! It has to be an improvement, no? Brent, did you notice it doing the stop and start surging thing? The sump is so shallow that the circulation pump cannot maintain a good head of pressure during constant circulation so to clean stuff in corners of the upper rack and deal with tough soil, the machine pulses the pump on and off to let all of the water return to the sump and then blast it up when the pump restarts. When we went for training on these they emphasized how important it was in replacement installations, that the old dishwasher's supply and drain lines had to be lowered so that the new tall tub was installed absolutely level because the sump was so shallow and so close to the floor. KA now uses less water and a smaller pump to power the 4 way hydro sweep in the bottom (but maybe now it is a hydro whisk-broom), a middle wash arm and then a wash arm that is far larger than the old Constant Rinse at the top of the tank. Until they started the surging it was a system that even smashed potatoes could survive and, while maybe not left totally on the dish on which they entered the machine, portions survived transplantation to the inner door, the tank walls and especially the little mesh clutch purse that is the small items basket, which is actually one of the major filtering components in the system. I put extra insulation around my 18s and, while I can hear them when they are washing and rinsing, I can talk on the phone, listen to the TV or stereo, or hold a conversation with someone in the kitchen without having to raise our voices to be heard.

Post# 129246 , Reply# 5 5/16/2006 at 23:07 (6,547 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)
Checkrate/Likes 1 are you serious? i had no idea the new tall tub WPKA machines where so horrible. i knew they had issues...I'm perplexed. Our GE Triton XL fills with very little water also, but there is no cavitation, the pump runs at full pressure. How are they able to do it? but not WP? I guess this enforces my recommendations pertaining to new tall tub machines to be GE and Maytag..... though, i've very worried as to what WP is going to do to Matag's dishwashers, which are very good right now.

Post# 129247 , Reply# 6 5/16/2006 at 23:09 (6,547 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *TELL KA!* Brent, you should tell KA about this on their dishwasher forum they have! People need to know. And if enough bad press is spread, maybe WP will fix this crappy system. CLICK HERE TO GO TO johnb300m's LINK

Post# 129270 , Reply# 7 5/17/2006 at 06:54 (6,547 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *John,* no way would they put it up on their site. I just went there, and now I think I need to go find a diabetic and beg some insulin. What a discustingly sugar-sweet amount of "we are the best" nonsense. Horrid. Interesting side note, the "best machines" in their contest - whatever that was - were built from 1949-51. Of course they made no mention of the fact that they were not from them. Sheesh - everything bad I said about using a good brand name to sell bad stuff - just take it and mulitply by 10. Now to go find something against the sugar shock.

Post# 129280 , Reply# 8 5/17/2006 at 07:23 (6,547 days old) by brent-aucoin ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 Tom, You hit it right on the nose about the pulse / pause of the pump. I had a thought that this was what it was doing to get the pressure, during each cycle, but you really confirm what it is doing. Although I think that they wanted to make these machines more "energy wise," I also think that they lowered the water use, and pressure, to cut back on the cost of the making of the tub. I mean this dishwasher tub is paper thin, and not to mention the scary construction of the sump. I think if you put the tough "Hobart" pump and motor into this machine, it would be much, MUCH louder than any vintage machine out there. So they save a ton of money on the cheap construction of the entire dishwasher, and have to put a weak pump and motor in it so it can be quiet. Tom, what did you use for insulation on your KDS-18? I am going to be putting mine in the kitchen soon, and was thinking of different types of insulation. Curious to hear about what you used. John, I took out a Maytag "Quiet Series 300." I used it for awhile, and I agree with you, it is a better dishwasher for washing than this Kitchenaid. It is not built any better however. The plastic tub is even worse! They anchor it into your cabinet around the door opening. I could not figure out why. Until I took that anchor off, and pulled it out. It is installed this way so the entire machine does not collapse over time. I am serious. The tub is like a 2 liter Coke bottle, in thickness. I have to give the Maytag that I pulled out credit however because the pump is much stronger, and on the Maytag, and you can pick an extra rinse. That is one thing I really don't like about the newer dishwashers. Most have only one rinse. I am just not okay with that. What I have in the kitchen now is a "Kitchenaid Superba" KUDS24. It is a WP built machine with the first stainless steel tubs. It rocks. It is very powerful. It will clean anything! Super quiet! It only has one rinse however, in any cycle that you pick. It is like they forgot to add that little "extra rinse" button in the options section. Brent

Post# 129290 , Reply# 9 5/17/2006 at 08:10 (6,547 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Brent, on the KDS24, if you select the high-temp scub option, it will add a full rinse rather than just a purge after the main wash. Thus, you're supposed to have 2 rinses.

Post# 129342 , Reply# 10 5/17/2006 at 11:25 (6,547 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Johb, A customer replaced her older Maytag, plates on top dishwasher with one of the new Maytag tall tubs and told John that it does not wash as well as her old Maytag, so maybe sticking with the standard size tubs is best, even though the Maytag tall tub pump is driven by a more powerful motor than the KA tall tub. When WP introduced the new dishwashers several years ago, we noticed that some, including the tall tubs, were Energy Star models and some were not. Then we looked at the individual models and saw that the long-successful WP design with the fine filter and soil separater which cleaned very well was not energy star rated. We figured they made machines to save energy and machines to wash and dry dishes well, but they were not the same models. Brent, to insulate the built in 18, I used the insulation that is sold rolled up for furnace ducts. It is foil-faced fiberglass. It is not really thick, so I was able to run strips of it from the top front to the rear bottom and then from side to side across the back. I put a big fluffy piece of fiberglass that had plastic on one side behind the lower panel and extended it down to the floor behind the toe plate. I took the door panel off and used some of that thick adhesive automobile sound insulation on the inner door, arranged to go around the detergent and rinse agent dispensers. It really dampens the sound. John had some old pieces of those 2ft X 4ft suspended ceiling sections that had the white surface with maybe 1/2 or 3/4 of an inch of yellow fiberglass on the back so we lined the cutout with a layer of these and used two along the back since it was an outside wall. We installed them with the fiberglass facing in so that if there was a fire, the fiberglass would not be a fuel. Years ago, during very cold snaps before the advent of "winter lite", John and Jeff would get lots of service calls for dishwashers that would not fill and after going on a few service calls, they discovered that all of the fill valves had frozen just enough to keep them from opening. So the rest of the callers were told to aim a blow dryer under the dishwasher and keep the doors under the sink open and the problem was solved. When I had the first two electronic Superbas that only gave one rinse, I would wait for the drain from the main wash and would fill a 3 quart pan with very hot water. As soon as the machine stopped filling for the 1 quart PURGE, I would quickly open the door a bit and pour in the 2.5 or 3 quarts of water and then restart it. It was enough water to cause some circulation over the dishes and the drain was long enough to completely pump out the gallon or so of water before THE RINSE. It was enough to keep down the sort of dusty deposits of dried detergent that I saw in so many of those machines, but it was not what I considered an automatic dishwasher since I had to add water to get better rinsing, so I passed them both along. I also missed the Constant Rinse shpritser at the top of the tank. But my greatest beef with those machines was that they filled for the first wash, did not circulate the water, but just sat there heating water (at the full 1400 watts) which was then thrown on the cold dishes. If the machines had sprayed water over the dishes and then stopped to heat, they could have absorbed a little of the heat and at least been soaking while the water was heating. Maybe it would have had to heat too long if the water was cooled by running the pump while the machine filled, but it just seemed stupid to me. After that wash, the water sitting in the pipe for 10 to 15 minutes had cooled and that was the fill for the main wash where did not stop to heat, but did heat (at 700 watts)while circulating the water .

Post# 129348 , Reply# 11 5/17/2006 at 11:37 (6,547 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Tomturbomatic, Great idea with the insulation. I notice the difference in the KDS21 and KDS23, the amount of insulation is doubled, and added even on the toe-kick. The 23 is three X more quiet than the 21. I might try this on the KDS20, which was perfectly described as a "hurricane in a box". Bobby in Boston

Post# 129401 , Reply# 12 5/17/2006 at 16:39 (6,546 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)
Checkrate/Likes 1 I agree. It seems that all the standard tub dishwashers are the way to go if you can get their hands on them. They seem to be the only machines worthy of the name "dishwasher." I went to Lowe's today and inspected the Maytag tall tubs. I was, nevertheless, impressed with them. they didn't cross my mind as "garbage". The plastic tub ones seemed ok, but i didn't take them out and check tub thickness. The Maytag stainless steel ones did seem more durable. As far as the standard tub maytags with that center tower gizmo, they have always gotten great reviews from relatives. Like I said, we have 2003 GE Triton XL and it is by far the best tall tub machine i've ever seen. The newest GE tall tubs seem to be the same, though with smaller jets...i don't know why. But i'd recommend those for a tall tub machine, and as far as i know, GE machines still do a minimum of 2 rinses.

Post# 129621 , Reply# 13 5/18/2006 at 12:22 (6,546 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *tank insulation and Maytag tall tub dw* The greatest insulation I've used on a dishwasher is rubber coated jute or hair padding. The rubber coating is kind of red-brown. It was an old fashion rug padding and I have not been able to find it anymore, but on my Westinghouse rollout, I glued that all over the tub, the tub cover and the metal cabinet that it slides in and out of. It really muffles noise and keeps heat in. The rollout is the last model impeller machine from Westinghouse and was in the line with the new wash arm machines in the early 60s. The front is completely plain and flat like one of the new tall tubs except for a very small timer knob at the top right. One thing I really like in the Maytag tall tub machines is the full wash arm under the top rack. I wonder if you blocked most of the holes in the wash arm at the top of the tank it would give the two wash arms more power. Maybe the solution to this low water madness is to pull a Tim the Toolman Taylor and install a remote pump next to the dishwasher. Something like that might just blow the door off these flimsy new machines though.

Post# 129653 , Reply# 14 5/18/2006 at 15:56 (6,545 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *upon further inspection* I was at my Lowe's today, filling out an application [hopefully for the appliance dept.] and went to look at the tall tub Maytags even further. The last time i looked at Maytag was at the Menards, and all their machines were kinda junky. Now these Lowe's machines on the other hand were very nice machines. I was able to lean a few forward and did not find the plastic tubs on the Maytags to be any thinner or thicker than the GE or Whirlpool machines. they all looked to be within the same thickness. Now unless the Maytag plastic reacts funny to heat and has a lower plasticity point, well i don't know. Until Whirlpool rapes Maytag, i will continue to endorse the Maytag and GE tall tub machines, and inform all i know to avoid Whirlpool's tall tub machines like the plague. ALSO: for the low water pressure in that KitchenAid...Brent, did you check that chopper screen? it could be blocked. for some reason i've heard tons of complaints about that chopper screen clogging up, starving the pump of water. I say this because until i see it in person with a BRAND NEW machine, i refuse to believe Whirlpool would be stupid enough to use pump cavitation as a means to save water and wash dishes. There must be something clogged. As far as many complaints from people saying crud collects in their corner glassware in the upper rack. i do notice that these middle arms are kinda short and do not reach the corners too well. Even in our awesome GE Triton XL at home, if cups are of a certain dimension, the middle arm will not get water into the corner cups. Personal observations and opinions.......agree? disagree? have at it.

Post# 129711 , Reply# 15 5/18/2006 at 20:32 (6,545 days old) by brent-aucoin ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 Tom, Great advice on the "sound proofing." The more that I think about it however, the more I really think that I like the sounds that I hear. It is really a toss up at this point. The example of "Hurricane in a Box," I really love it! Was this an ad for Kitchenaid at one time? This is really what it sounds like! On the new Kitchenaid that I picked up for free. John, I have taken it all apart. No cloggs. I would imagine it would clean. It makes sure that the water is a certian temp before it cycles to the next cycle. It will however never make it to my kitchen. Tom, how many KDS-18's do you have? Brent

Post# 129714 , Reply# 16 5/18/2006 at 20:45 (6,545 days old) by brent-aucoin ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 Tom, Great idea about "sound proofing" the KDS-18. I think about making it quiet, and then go back to enjoying the sounds. It is not in the kitchen as of yet, but on it's way. I think about "Hurricane in a Box!" I love that. Was that an actual Ad slogan from Kitchenaid? This is really what the Hobart machines sound like. About the newer Kitchenaid John that I got off of Craigslist for free. I have taken it apart, and sadly, there are no clogs. Put it all back together again, (and it did not take much effort) and it still works the same. Tom, how many KDS-18's do you have? How many Kitchenaid's do you have? Brent

Post# 129716 , Reply# 17 5/18/2006 at 20:46 (6,545 days old) by brent-aucoin ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 Sorry for the double post. I got kicked off, and had no idea that the other went through. Brent

Post# 129720 , Reply# 18 5/18/2006 at 21:00 (6,545 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes 1 I think the "hurricane in a box" came form Jason.

Post# 129795 , Reply# 19 5/19/2006 at 08:11 (6,545 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Corners of the top rack generally should not be used for narrow objects if the water from the bottom wash arm is blocked, although my 2 18s have the larger wash arm and china guard that came out with the 19 series and I have not noticed much trouble. The thing with the newer KA machines is that even if nothing was blocking the water from below, tall glasses in the corners of the top rack were not getting cleaned because the spray from the bottom wash arm was not reaching all the way up into them. This is a pretty damn sad legacy for a brand that once ran an ad in Life Magazine showing a KD2P (top load portable with big blue wash arm) with the lid open and this great upward spray of water. The text read that if you could run this KitchenAid dishwasher with the top open, which you could not, the water would shoot 10 feet into the air and the same motor, pump and wash arm were in all KitchenAid dishwashers. It's even sadder than the switch from fan forced drying to just sitting there drying. Another ad campaign KitchenAid used showed a Rubbermaid dish drainer stacked full sitting over a surface unit on an electric range. The text said that this was the way most other dishwashers dried, but KitchenAid had fan forced drying that was gentle on dishes. You should have heard long time KA dealers at the meeting where the models with no dry fan were introduced. They wanted to know what they were going to tell customers because KA owners coming in for a replacement machine would have to be told of the change and the dry system had been one way of moving customers up to KA from other brands.

Post# 129848 , Reply# 20 5/19/2006 at 11:35 (6,545 days old) by brent-aucoin ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 Bob, That is so funny. I thought that it came from a KA Ad. I really think that "Hurricane in a Box" is what the old Hobart KA's sound like while washing. Here is one of my favorite KA ad's. Gone are the days of creative advertising. Jason's Hurricane in a Box could have worked great with this ad. Tom---here you go! Brent

Post# 129854 , Reply# 21 5/19/2006 at 12:10 (6,545 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 In remember my old Waste King, from back in the 70's. If you opened the door and didn't wait for the wash action to die down, that machine would shoot a stream of water clear across the room. One day, it did just that, right into the back of the portable color TV that was sitting on the counter across the kitchen from it. Needless to say, that was the end of the TV. Kinda sad when you think about what we've become!

Post# 129959 , Reply# 22 5/19/2006 at 18:16 (6,544 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)
Checkrate/Likes 1 the bottom spray jets don't even reach the top rack? wow that's ........blasphemous!

Post# 130028 , Reply# 23 5/19/2006 at 21:26 (6,544 days old) by brent-aucoin ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 John, Isn't that funny. You hear so many people say that about the older 17 model and below that! The problem is that they did not know how to load them. I grew up with a KDS-17 Superba for a big chunk of my life. It would wash anything! You just had to load it correct. Brent

Post# 130045 , Reply# 24 5/19/2006 at 22:29 (6,544 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)
Checkrate/Likes 1 I have personally been hit in the face by that very hurricane, in my restoration/testing of the KD-2P this past month or so. That, and forgetting to turn off the water at the tap before unhooking the unicouple!

Post# 130048 , Reply# 25 5/19/2006 at 22:35 (6,544 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes 1 WOW I thought I was being too demanding of the KA tall tub. Mine really SUX at getting glasses clean. Pity my WP non tall-tub was so good and this is le garbage! I was BLOWN away when my near BOL GE outperformed the KA LONG LIVE WATER HOGS. They ACTUALLY work!

Post# 130061 , Reply# 26 5/19/2006 at 23:30 (6,544 days old) by peteski50 (New York)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Newer Kitchenaid Dishwashers* When I renovated my kitchen almost 5 years ago I had a portable whirlpool power clean. Loved it and was going to build it into new cabinets. Some people talked me out of it. I was buying a new range at Sears. So I went for the Kenmore tall tub (they were only) out about one year. Needless to say I was so disappointed. The glasses loaded in the top corners didnt get clean. Dishes washed decently but nothing like the power clean whirlpool. I had it for a year in a half the circuit board blew out twice. Even though Sears was willing to fix it I went back and demanded to get another dishwasher. Really disappointed. They tried to get me to buy the SS model but I said it's the same S__T. I decided on the GE tall tub because it was the most durable of the plastic tall tubs. I am very happy with it. I got the 7700 model next to the TOL at that time. It washes really well. (What a difference). Very good cycle selection / options with easy to read controls with digital display. Problem with most of the new DW's today they don't give any type of progress status on control panel. Also I dont like the one with the undermount controls. I like to see all indicators and believe me I wish for a Window also. Will we ever see the day? As much as I like the GE tall tub I still regret giving up the Whirlpool power clean!! Lets start designing our own!! Peter

Post# 130077 , Reply# 27 5/20/2006 at 02:37 (6,544 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)
Checkrate/Likes 1 I was able to verify with someone that the tall tub whirlpool dishwashers ARE supposed to have a fairly powerful spray. Not many machines today will have the power of the "huricane in a box" but the tall tubs do have "powerful" jets. I was able to see a tall tub "Kenmore" today at a Sears in Rockford, IL with a clear front. the jets seemed pretty decent. [this may be preaching to the choir here] I was told that many of the washability issues are with the way things are loaded in the top rack and if the middle spray arm is blocked. As well as the chopper assembly breaking and clogging. It just doesn't keep itself clean as well as the PowerClean. Apparently these machines work very well with no soil, and are the most finicky of the bunch. The issue with "weak" pressure must be fault in the dishwasher. I do hear that these motors go out alot, they are shitty motors and it may not be running at full speed???

Post# 130078 , Reply# 28 5/20/2006 at 02:54 (6,544 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *designing your own* That comment gets me wondering. As everyone has by now figured out, I am fixin' to go back to the 'States. With my parents health problems after that car crash, probably indefinitely...After living abroad for over 20 years, so much has changed that every visit back is a major culture shock. One interesting constant over all these years: Here in Germany I have had exactly two dishwashers. The first was killed by the movers (falling down stone stairs will do that to you). That Miele lasted from 1979 'till 2000. My current Miele has never needed a repair (nor did the old one, except for a lower-rack wheel. Once). Now lets see, I left in 1983. At my parent's house: Lady Kenmore fails and kitchen under water. 1987: Whirlpool something or other fails and repair would cost more than new one. 1991: Last Monkey Wards chokes to death on olive pit (plastic filter had come loose by itself) 1995: GE Modern Maid from 1963 which I had installed in 1991 is banished for being "too old" by my brother, Whirlpool installed. Oh, the GE is still running in the neighbour's kitchen in 2006. 1997: Whirlpool motor fails due to leak and would cost more to repair than...been there, done, that. 2000: Newest Whirlpool has now had new timer, soap dispenser, motor, tower - all under warranty. Dealer says must have been dropped in transit. Yeah, whatever. 2005: Firgidaire from spring has been repaired twice. Maytag not yet, but needs three hours for wash... 2006: Keven flys over with a Miele as carry on... Sheesh, why oh why do Americans put up with this crap?

Post# 130133 , Reply# 29 5/20/2006 at 10:24 (6,544 days old) by mixfinder ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Happy Washing* It has been my experience that the pleasure in living with an appliance in a longterm relationship is dependant on several factors. Pride of ownership. Ease of use. It takes a villiage to service an appliance. The family heritage. Oddly enough, in my entire life, I have never had a dishwasher failure or repair (except one that was victom of a lightning strike, God must have missed, I was in bed, just upstairs!) And Lord itself knows, I bought enough of them new and used to have had opportunity for failure. One constant that seems to be born out in tests and even here on this site: regardless of personal opinion, GE has always been a solid performer as a dishwasher in cleaning and longevity. Kelly

Post# 130278 , Reply# 30 5/20/2006 at 22:43 (6,543 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *You guys'll LOVE this!* GE's dishwasher video. very cool and pretty funny. CLICK HERE TO GO TO johnb300m's LINK

Post# 130283 , Reply# 31 5/20/2006 at 23:30 (6,543 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Yep!!!

Post# 130299 , Reply# 32 5/21/2006 at 00:54 (6,543 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Cute!* Love the SmartDispense--reminiscent of the Tappan that cleaned nothing but stored liquid hand-dishwashing soap in the door and dispensed it in metered doses. Looks like a fantastic dishwasher from the modern era... ...although if you have time to knit a sweater, the cycle time must be long. You have to love Alton Brown, though...especially the dishwasher "simulation"...

Post# 130306 , Reply# 33 5/21/2006 at 01:30 (6,543 days old) by peteski50 (New York)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Video!* Love the video. I don't have this tol model but the GE tall tub is a great machine. (KA / Whirlpool) go back to the drawing board. Peter

Post# 130310 , Reply# 34 5/21/2006 at 02:43 (6,543 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Could he have knitted the sweater if he had a knitting machine?Then THAT other guy would have won-washing the dishes by hand.The video was pretty neat.-and funny.

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