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Post# 128422   5/13/2006 at 04:57 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Just an incredible find, left for me as a surprise by Rich Trainguy was this: a very early model AMC badged washer..........




Post# 128423 , Reply# 1   5/13/2006 at 04:58 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Top of the AMC washer. I have only seen pictures of drawings of one of these. I was absolutely floored to see this sitting in my driveway! What an incredible washer!

Post# 128424 , Reply# 2   5/13/2006 at 04:59 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Back of the AMC..........

Post# 128425 , Reply# 3   5/13/2006 at 05:00 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Fill Flume, which also doubles as the lid hinge.........

Post# 128426 , Reply# 4   5/13/2006 at 05:00 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Lid handle...........

Post# 128427 , Reply# 5   5/13/2006 at 05:01 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

AMC Agitator, in aluminum with big chrome agitator cap.......

Post# 128428 , Reply# 6   5/13/2006 at 05:02 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

More of agitator.......

Post# 128429 , Reply# 7   5/13/2006 at 05:03 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

This washer too was pretty grimey, but cleaned up very well. Its about half done here........

Post# 128430 , Reply# 8   5/13/2006 at 05:04 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

All cleaned up, with MORE dirty rags to wash!

Post# 128431 , Reply# 9   5/13/2006 at 05:05 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

AMC logo close up.

Post# 128432 , Reply# 10   5/13/2006 at 05:06 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Fluid Drive logo, on lower access door. This looks like it should be on a 40's DeSoto auto!

Post# 128433 , Reply# 11   5/13/2006 at 05:07 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Washer cycles, as shown on the timer dial.......

Post# 128434 , Reply# 12   5/13/2006 at 05:08 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Water Temp dial.........

Post# 128435 , Reply# 13   5/13/2006 at 05:09 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

More of timer dial.......

Post# 128436 , Reply# 14   5/13/2006 at 05:14 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Washer data plate. AMC does not indicate that this was an American Motors Company product. AMC meant it was made for Associated Merchandising Corp., which was a supplier for large department store brands, such as Gimbles, Speigel, Kaufmans, Rowes, etc. Our local dept store in Akron Ohio was Oneils, which distributed the AMC logo on its washers, dryers, refrigerators, and consumer electronics......

Post# 128437 , Reply# 15   5/13/2006 at 05:15 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

There appears to be an inner tub/liner on this washer. There is a skirt around the bottom half of the washer, held in place by two long bolts..........

Post# 128438 , Reply# 16   5/13/2006 at 05:17 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

More of the bottom skirt. This washer appears to be somewhat like a Speed Queen design. When I get a little more time, I will remove the skirt and take some pics of the inner workings..........

Post# 128439 , Reply# 17   5/13/2006 at 05:18 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Water Valve, near the floor, bottom right........in solid brass......

Post# 128440 , Reply# 18   5/13/2006 at 05:18 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Power cord......hmmmm, its been a while since this washer has been plugged in!

Post# 128441 , Reply# 19   5/13/2006 at 05:20 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Original Bonderized Label. Must be a pretty good process to have the original finish on the cabinet still looking so well after all these many years!

Post# 128442 , Reply# 20   5/13/2006 at 05:21 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

UL label. Good thing UL labs cant see the power cord on this washer!

Post# 128443 , Reply# 21   5/13/2006 at 05:22 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Agitator with chrome cap removed. Not surprisingly, the agitator would not yet come off. Soaking with a little light oil will hopefully help with that.........

Post# 128444 , Reply# 22   5/13/2006 at 05:23 (6,529 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Wow, what a rare find! I get a kick from the tiny lid/opening on these early machines---especially now that the entire top is a lid on some new models. Interesting agitator, too. Hope you get this up and running, along with some pics. Congrats on your new acquisition!

Post# 128445 , Reply# 23   5/13/2006 at 05:24 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Done with clean up, at least for the night......Now I can wash the towels and rags........I chose the 1959 Westinghouse Programmed Computer with the famous Revolving Agitator......weighing the load first.........on the Weigh To Save door scale.......

Post# 128447 , Reply# 24   5/13/2006 at 05:27 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Here is the Westinghouse set, with the rags washing and suds halfway up the door window as recommended by Westinghouse. Im still doing a little work on the dryer, hence the lower panel is still off, but its working fine and has mated well with its washer companion.......Thanks again to Trainguy for the great washers! I love them!

Post# 128448 , Reply# 25   5/13/2006 at 05:30 (6,529 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Wow both those machines trigger fond memories!

I remember a few of those old Bendix "squeezers" machines around Atlanta back in the day. They were fun to watch I liked watching the water enter the tub by bubbling up out of the center of the agitator post. Like a fountain. The folks I remember with those machines were not too fond of them----I remember LOTS of cursing and wringing clothes out by hand, water removal evidently pretty dismal.

I remember a few of those AMC machines also. Got a kick out of your comparison of the "Fluid Drive" badge to a DeSoto. The AMC machine I remember the most was some friends of my parents who had one in the basement. I remember it thrashing away----pump grumbling and sucking------and it always had a slow leak from somewhere. These folks also had a HUGE black DeSoto circa 1948. "Tankus Maximus".

What fun to find both of these old treasure intact!

Thanks for the photo's and for triggering fond memories!


Post# 128449 , Reply# 26   5/13/2006 at 05:35 (6,529 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Oh BTW, isn't it interesting how much the Bendix agitator resembles the Maytag (Filter) agitator? I remember thinking years ago there must have been some connection because the resembelance is too close to be a coincidence. Just route the water up through the middle and drill the holes in the skirt!

Post# 128451 , Reply# 27   5/13/2006 at 06:28 (6,529 days old) by oldwasherguy (Ladson SC)        

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filterflo, I have a ad for your amc,but its badged wizard for western auto.the year is 1952.I will scan the ad later so you can see it.thats a beautiful machine by the way. Don

Post# 128455 , Reply# 28   5/13/2006 at 08:04 (6,529 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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kExcellent Jimmy.

And thanks for showing me what washed the dirty towels & rags.

Steve, I immediately thought the same thing about the agitator when I saw the squeezer running.


Post# 128457 , Reply# 29   5/13/2006 at 08:06 (6,529 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Another

excellent washer! I hope you can restore this one, too. If anyone can, you can, Jimmy!


I miss O'Neil's! First it was O'Neil's, then it was May Co, then it was Kaufmann's, and now, like everywhere else, it's about to be Macy's.

However, by the time I really remember appliances at O'Neil's, the house brand was called "Duracrest," and they also carried Maytag and Whirlpool, and I think GE.


Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 128475 , Reply# 30   5/13/2006 at 08:55 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Yes Lawrence, I remember Oneils so well. It was the most glorious store, a real full service department store in the old tradition. It was truly the place to shop especially at Christmas, with the windows in full display with their animations and toys. I had forgotten about the Duracrest name they used. One of the earlier Kelvinator washers that I had was labeled Duracrest and I had a TV that came from Oneils labeled AMC. It was an RCA design from the mid 60's. Still trying to get you here for a visit sometime when the washer boys come over.....just have to figure out a way for your transportation to and from..........

Post# 128476 , Reply# 31   5/13/2006 at 08:57 (6,529 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)        

That AMC is neat. Rich's in Atlanta carried AMC applainces in the 60's. I've seen one AMC washer before but it was a much later model than this - early 60's and was very similar to Robert's 62 Easy - especially the agitator. What year is this baby?
Les


Post# 128484 , Reply# 32   5/13/2006 at 09:33 (6,529 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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Wow!!! What a great presents to find left in your driveway!!! I especially like the AMC. I have an instruction manual for an automatic Dexter that looks just like your AMC, same cabinet, fill flume, and agitator. It says the spray rinses are with hot water (great for creating wrinkles and creases in perm press...ha) and the deep rinse is with cold. The initial fill is not automatic...you have to let it fill to the line on the agitator and then advance and select wash time. The rest of the cycle is automatic. Be interesting to see if your AMC follows the same sequence. Thanks for the pictures!

Post# 128485 , Reply# 33   5/13/2006 at 09:34 (6,529 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Jimmy, that AMC is very cool! You do realize that that washer is the very, very first Beam washer, from 1947 or 1948.

Congratulations, that's an amazing find!


Post# 128486 , Reply# 34   5/13/2006 at 09:48 (6,529 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Jimmy, how nice of a gift to have one of those set in your driveway. Honestly, I did not even realize such a washer existed.

I would love to come up and play with all your toys.

Thanks for posting.

Steve


Post# 128491 , Reply# 35   5/13/2006 at 10:11 (6,529 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Hi Rich! Will let you know the sequence of the timer when I get it ready to plug in, that is AFTER I put a new cord on it! ha
Robert-- I was wondering who made this, it very Speed Queen like underneath......I too thought it was and early washer from the late 40's... Im not sure Speed Queen was making automatics yet.......the mechanics underneath are very interesting...

Steve, come and play anytime. Be glad to have you, bring lots of dirty laundry to wash......!


Post# 128518 , Reply# 36   5/13/2006 at 12:06 (6,529 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Jimmy,

Those are just simply AWESOME finds, congratulations!!! LOVE the AMC with that funky aluminum agitator; I bet that will have some awesome wash action? Glad it cleaned up well; judging by the pictures that Bonderite finish is still gleaming!!! I've always wondered what one of these looks like...now we finally get to see one! Does this have the Coronado name on it, like the other AMC-brand machines?

That and the Bendix Economat will be very interesting when they're installed! I've never seen either of them in action before...

--Austin


Post# 128531 , Reply# 37   5/13/2006 at 13:44 (6,529 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Im not sure Speed Queen was making automatics yet.......the mechanics underneath are very interesting...

There weren't as of yet Jimmy, not until '52 or so. We all like to think of this as a Speed Queen, but this design originated with AMC washers. The model also came with a round glass lid!


Post# 128548 , Reply# 38   5/13/2006 at 15:16 (6,528 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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If I recall correctly, American Motors Corporation didn't exist until 1954 with the merger of Nash-Kelvinator and Hudson companies. So any "AMC" washer created before that time would have to be from some other entity. And I suppose the Kelvinator name would have gone on any appliances that American Motors produced.

Post# 128563 , Reply# 39   5/13/2006 at 16:03 (6,528 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Early Hotpoint

A friend had this washer badged as a Hotpoint in a corner of her kitchen in the mid 50s. I think the dials were red, but I'm not sure. The manual advance into wash was because there was no way of metering the fill. It was automatic in the rinse because of the solid tub overflow rinse and a pump that kept up with the fill valve, but just like when you are playing in the surf, you never turned your back on the incoming water. I remember her shiny agitator and those big fins at the top. They lived in a house built with the set tubs in the basement and no provision for an automatic in the kitchen, so the washer drain hose went through a hole in the floor right over one of the old set tubs, but not all of the way down into the tub. There were a couple of feet of round galvanized ducting like you would use to vent a water heater or furnace hanging down from the basement ceiling around the hose, but extending well beyond the end of the hose. I guess it was to confine any spraying that might result from the washer shaking the hose while spinning. I thought it was logical. I was still young and knew what could happen to even the best aim for no apparent reason. It was pretty visually dramatic with the water falling 4 or 5 feet through the air when the washer drained, especially after wash, and loud when it splashed into the tub, but the drain during the overflow rinse lasted longer. I thought it was like what you would see behind Niagra Falls. Except for going upstairs to watch the agitation and spinning and to winkle, I could have sat on the stairs by that tub in the basement all day on laundry day.

Post# 128571 , Reply# 40   5/13/2006 at 16:53 (6,528 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Tom, was the Hotpoint you were referring to the 1949 model on the left? I can definitely see the resemblance,
but there is only one dial; were there different locations on the timer for different wash temperatures
or could it only be controlled at the tap? I also heard this machine had two motors, one for wash and one for spin...how wild is that!!!
I'm wondering if this particular AMC has two motors as well, considering it bears a striking resemblance to the '49 Hotpoint!

--Austin



Post# 128613 , Reply# 41   5/13/2006 at 20:16 (6,528 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

The AMC design seems to be somehow related or based on Franklin washers........I got out my Pearsol's diagrams, and this Franklin washer appears to be the exact match mechanically to mine........

Post# 128614 , Reply# 42   5/13/2006 at 20:16 (6,528 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

More Franklin diagram........

Post# 128615 , Reply# 43   5/13/2006 at 20:18 (6,528 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Several of the parts and overall design appears to be similar to early Speed Queen models, but a closer look shows that the parts only look similar but are actually designed a little different.......

Post# 128616 , Reply# 44   5/13/2006 at 20:19 (6,528 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

More Franklin..... Tranny close up.........

Post# 128617 , Reply# 45   5/13/2006 at 20:20 (6,528 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Franklin pump, very similar to the Speed Queen, but does not look interchangeable.......

Post# 128618 , Reply# 46   5/13/2006 at 20:21 (6,528 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Franklin Fluid Drive, again similar to the 50's Speed Queens, but not quite the same.........

Post# 128619 , Reply# 47   5/13/2006 at 20:21 (6,528 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Franklin Fluid Drive......

Post# 128620 , Reply# 48   5/13/2006 at 20:23 (6,528 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Austin, in the photos you posted that Hotpoint on the left sure looks like a close twin to my AMC here. Perhaps Hotpoint used a couple of different designs in their early years?

Post# 128648 , Reply# 49   5/13/2006 at 22:25 (6,528 days old) by jerseymike ()        
Wow!

What incredible finds! What a nice gift to come home to. Congrats! What an awesome machine. I hope that it doesn't give you too much trouble in bringing it back to life. I can't wait to see the "after" pics!

Mike



Post# 128657 , Reply# 50   5/13/2006 at 23:19 (6,528 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Great gifts Jimmy, I know that you are going to love adding these machines to your collection. Will look forward to pictures when you have them up and running. Rich is a great guy!! Terry

Post# 128711 , Reply# 51   5/14/2006 at 11:38 (6,528 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Just WOW Jimmy

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That is ONE georgeous machine. What a find Rich! And for its age it seems in nice shape. Those Westy Programs aren't too shabby either.

Can't wait to see under her skirt too!
I once found the agitator and skirt up in my friends attic but that was all there was left. It has been a mystery machine ever since until today. Thanks for the close ups.

Have fun with those.

Jon


Post# 128713 , Reply# 52   5/14/2006 at 11:42 (6,528 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Oh Jimmy

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I've had alot if experience with Bonderite, when you get it apart look carefully for any bubbles. It tends to chip/crack and then lets water in underneath and that allows the water to travel between the raw metal and the coating actually causing more rust because it stays nice and damp for long periods under the Bonderite.

cheers
jon


Post# 128714 , Reply# 53   5/14/2006 at 12:12 (6,528 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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What a great super-vintage machine! I have the service manuals for this machine and it's very interesting, two motors, fluid-drive...it must weigh a million pounds!

Post# 128740 , Reply# 54   5/14/2006 at 14:30 (6,527 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Thanks for posting the diagrams--the plot is thickening! I can't believe Franklin used that same Fluid Drive mechanism in their early machines as well! So now the question is, when did Franklin switch from the Beam design to their own mechanism?

In the online 1949 Hotpoint manual, it mentions that the water temperatures are located on the timer dial instead of a separate dial on the machine. The early Thriftivator, in my opinion, also bears a striking resemblance to the agitator in the Franklin machine as well as yours.

I still can't get over the fact there's two motors...I bet that will be awesome to watch (and hear)!

--Austin


Post# 128741 , Reply# 55   5/14/2006 at 14:32 (6,527 days old) by westytoploader ()        

And judging by the diagrams, I'm assuming that the motor on the left with the Fluid Drive is the spin motor, and the one on the right is the wash motor?

Post# 128785 , Reply# 56   5/14/2006 at 19:55 (6,527 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
2 motors

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In the USA that (mutliple motors) was at one time thought to be an unreliable design. Now we seem to be gravitating back to multiple motors. What is old is what is new again.

Post# 128786 , Reply# 57   5/14/2006 at 19:59 (6,527 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Did I say *DROOL* and *WOW* and *WHAT A CATCH* BTW?

Post# 128806 , Reply# 58   5/14/2006 at 21:16 (6,527 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
how many names was this machine sold under??

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I've been looking for the instruction manual to the Dexter washer (which is a clone of Jimmy's new arrival) and have not found it yet, but I did find a sales brochure. It says that although you can select hot or warm wash, you get a preset hot, warm, and cold spray rinses as well as a cold overflow deep rinse. This is such a cool washer....can't wait to hear how the restoration goes. Tell me this ad isn't classic 1948-50! Jimmy, will pose like this when you get yours running??haha

Post# 128811 , Reply# 59   5/14/2006 at 21:34 (6,527 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Wow, yet ANOTHER machine with this design, and the "Fluid Drive" access panel as well, awesome!

Post# 128813 , Reply# 60   5/14/2006 at 21:34 (6,527 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
next page

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magic dial same as Jimmy's machine

Post# 128815 , Reply# 61   5/14/2006 at 21:38 (6,527 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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page three

Post# 128816 , Reply# 62   5/14/2006 at 21:41 (6,527 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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These specs say the machine spins at 625 rpm and weighs 300 pounds!

Post# 128834 , Reply# 63   5/15/2006 at 00:03 (6,527 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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300 lbs as shipped. That is a bit portly.


Post# 128844 , Reply# 64   5/15/2006 at 01:13 (6,527 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
portly or not

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No wonder it didn't need to be bolted down. Sort of like when they put those ridiculous little chains on elephants in the circus. this is a great looking washer. It fascinates me endlessly how well thought out these "early" machines were. I suspect that 300 pounds was not as "heavy" in an era when women remembered their mother's ice-boxes (litteraly), wood-fired stoves and such. Still, I would be awful thankful for all those front access panels.

Post# 128862 , Reply# 65   5/15/2006 at 07:39 (6,527 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Hey Rich Golittlesport, thanks for the posting the ad flyer! That machine must have an identity crisis. So many names! Im eager to start working on it, and it does appear to be very restorable. Just love that big agitator.

Jon-Jetcone, The Bonderite looks like it held up pretty well on this washer, but it does have some rust spots here and there mainly at the edges where the paint was chipped off. Maybe we can find another one of these for you sometime, Trainguy sure has a lot of great luck finding things.......


Post# 129028 , Reply# 66   5/16/2006 at 04:56 (6,526 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Hot Water Rinses

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Were normal and indeed required when using soap for wash day.

Soap is very difficult to rinse out of laundry, and housewives were advised to always have the rinse water either hot or at least warm when using a hot water/soap wash. Of course those doing laundry by hand in a tub couldn't use too hot water, but machine washing was another story.

Purpose of all this palaver is that cold water causes textile fibers to contract. If this happens with soap, all that soap/scum/soils would become "trapped" in the wash, making it that much more difficult to remove. The end result over time would be tattle-tale grey laundry, something no respecting housewive would dare hang on her wash line. Well, not if she didn't wish to become the object of stares! *LOL*

L.


Post# 129196 , Reply# 67   5/16/2006 at 18:27 (6,525 days old) by jeb (Mansfield Ohiio)        
driveway suprise

HI Jimmy! It's Jeff from Mansfield. I think your suprise was great but I was interested in the westinghouse set. I am so glad you have them up and running. How much work was involved? How well do they clean? Would love to see them work. I also have a question about the spacemate dryer.Please e-mail me when you get a chance. Jeff

Post# 129214 , Reply# 68   5/16/2006 at 20:36 (6,525 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Hi Jeff, I had posted pics and details of getting the Westinghouse washer up and running about a month ago. Im sure the thread is still there. I will see if I can find it and you can refer back to it...........drop me a line about the Spacemate dryer..........

Post# 129217 , Reply# 69   5/16/2006 at 20:41 (6,525 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Hey Jeff, in the archives, in the Imperial section 2006, go to post #5920 and I describe some of the repair on the Westinghouse Programmed Computer that I got from you.......

Post# 129400 , Reply# 70   5/17/2006 at 16:28 (6,524 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
The Force be with you

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So who is this Angel who drops off these exquisite Mother's day presents at your doorstep. They are awesome. The rinse cycle "Programing" is like something you'd see on a current Frigidaire FL. Love seeing the spray rinses marked on the dial. You could dial it right up so quick and accurate. Can't wait to see that agitator, Man.

I lived in Coventry,(not the real one), but a neighborhood of Cleveland where I went to school, John Carroll University. We're having a reunion at the end of June, and if you're agreeable I'd like to swing by. Let me know.

This site is so rich at times, I just get dizzy and swoon.



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