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Post# 861938   1/15/2016 at 04:34 (2,995 days old) by rockland1 ()   |   | |
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Just heard on ABC News GE sells appliance division to Haier. A sad day in America. |
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Post# 861947 , Reply# 1   1/15/2016 at 05:40 (2,995 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 861951 , Reply# 2   1/15/2016 at 06:05 (2,995 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 861954 , Reply# 3   1/15/2016 at 06:18 (2,995 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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The sale is still subject to approval by Hair stockholders and regulatory issues.It is sad-drather GE appliance just go out of business. |
Post# 861964 , Reply# 4   1/15/2016 at 07:41 (2,995 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Yay, I knew that it would either go to Haier, LG or Samsung.
I am glad it went to Haier because more American [ many union jobs ] will be saved this way. Haier does not have major manufacturing capacity in this country so that may bode well for keeping some of GEs old factories running here. If one of the Korean companies had gotten it more appliances would have likely just come from Korea.
And about now I am sick and tired of the cheap Korean appliances, yesterday I had to install a new heating element in a full sized Samsung dryer. The SS dryer is basically a copy of a WP built 27" dryer, but it is so cheaply built, you can not believe how much thinner everything is compared to a WP dryer [ and believe me WP dryers are already thin enough ] I cant believe anyone that has ever worked on or done a direct comparison of LG and SS washers, dryers, refs etc would ever buy one. I most cases I would estimate that the Korean appliances will end up having about 1/2 the useful life spans of the WP built stuff to say nothing of washers and dryers built by Speed Queen.
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Post# 861965 , Reply# 5   1/15/2016 at 07:47 (2,995 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 861975 , Reply# 6   1/15/2016 at 08:26 (2,994 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Haier is the brand with the pretty much worst reputation over here... At least they have been known to be an absolut BOL manufacturer... |
Post# 861978 , Reply# 7   1/15/2016 at 08:33 (2,994 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Haier... Well... hold on a second... I'll kill myself and be right back.. |
Post# 861980 , Reply# 8   1/15/2016 at 08:37 (2,994 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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To be fair, While in nursing school my microwave went out. I bought a Gold Star at of all places Walgreens ( the price was right). Last I knew it was still working, I had passed it on to family years ago. |
Post# 861997 , Reply# 9   1/15/2016 at 09:45 (2,994 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 861998 , Reply# 10   1/15/2016 at 09:48 (2,994 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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I'm more worried about Appliance Park. If they keep that and the workers, I'll feel much better. I hate to see this American icon leave American ownership but not much you can do. They obviously wanted out of the appliance business pretty badly. It's sad, but such is the times.
I've always been a loyal GE customer so I'll have to see how things go. Let's hope all that changes is the ownership. |
Post# 861999 , Reply# 11   1/15/2016 at 09:50 (2,994 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Absolutely disgraceful.
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ge-s... Looks like my next range will be a WP/MT instead. Got the last American GE dishwasher. I'll enjoy that. Now all we got left is Team Whirlpool. |
Post# 862000 , Reply# 12   1/15/2016 at 09:50 (2,994 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 862003 , Reply# 13   1/15/2016 at 09:58 (2,994 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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I've never been a GE fan at all, so I could care less either way. I do however agree with John, I'm glad the sale went to a company other than Samsung or LG. There is no more vile corporate existence in this world than SS and their blatant and admitted rip offs of every successful manufacturers work, whether it be electronics or appliances. LG isn't as terrible in that regard because they do innovate in their own way with certain things, but they're already too big for their pants to be taking in a brand as big as GE.
I also agree that every SS appliance I've seen disassembled in person was an LG or Whirlpool ripoff, although with plastics and tin metal that have the same quality as toys bought at the Dollar Tree. |
Post# 862005 , Reply# 14   1/15/2016 at 10:02 (2,994 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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My mother was always a loyal GE customer. There was a time she would not have anything but GE in her house. Slowly as GE began to become disinterested in the customers that made them, we started migrating to Maytag, now Whirlpool.
This last range I purchased was a GE, Not up to the standards as the original P-7, but still a good range. GE at one time had the top rated Washer/Dryer on the market as well as the Top rated Dishwasher the GSD 1200.
I guess there is just more profit in a locomotive engine or MRI machine than a Filter-flo washer.
Good-bye GE. I shall never buy ye again.
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Post# 862010 , Reply# 16   1/15/2016 at 10:37 (2,994 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)   |   | |
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Post# 862024 , Reply# 17   1/15/2016 at 12:19 (2,994 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 862028 , Reply# 19   1/15/2016 at 13:07 (2,994 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 862030 , Reply# 20   1/15/2016 at 13:18 (2,994 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Post# 862031 , Reply# 21   1/15/2016 at 13:28 (2,994 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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And Dan Haggerty |
Post# 862036 , Reply# 23   1/15/2016 at 13:52 (2,994 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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That's my feeling basically. As long as the products stay the same (or better) and for me, if they are still built by American workers in Louisville....I'll continue to buy GE appliances. Otherwise I'll probably stick with Whirlpool products.
I've been a union employee for over 10 years so I like to support my fellow members. A few years ago I bought a Ford Fusion...LOVED that car. Got home and realized that it was built in Mexico....I flipped out. Went back to the dealer and got a Focus instead, built in the U.S. The dealer was real good about thankfully. LOL I'm so OCD about that stuff. |
Post# 862047 , Reply# 25   1/15/2016 at 15:30 (2,994 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 862058 , Reply# 26   1/15/2016 at 15:53 (2,994 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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I'm reminded of the Far Side comic where the goldfish stand outside their bowl, their castle ornament ablaze, lamenting, "Well, thank God we all made it out in time...'course, now we're equally screwed." |
Post# 862065 , Reply# 27   1/15/2016 at 16:30 (2,994 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Some good points Roto......but I just don't get it when GE-A was so profitable. Maybe not to the level of other GE divisions, but still very profitable to the point they already paid back that 1B in App Park investment twice over.
They could've just let it run on its own. Or partially spun it off with a minor stake. I expressed my 'feelings' on my Facebook and a few people replied, "meh, washers and microwaves are a distraction." Really? I think that's embarrassing then. How are Mitsubishi and Bosch/Siemens etc. able to have their fingers in so many complimentary and non-complimentary industries and still be capable and successful? Yet....American companies cannot? Are we just dumb? Too ADD? Not talented enough? Or too profit and narrow/minded? Why do we keep selling our [good] assets away?! And to foreigners no doubt? A country that our (blegh) allegedly future-president keeps railing against? This just really pisses me off. I'm sure I'll cool off. But it is so defeatist and embarrassing. We, ourselves, are choosing not to make things anymore. |
Post# 862077 , Reply# 29   1/15/2016 at 17:49 (2,994 days old) by liamy1 (-)   |   | |
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With henene4, here in the UK (as he stated is the same as in Germany). HAIER is the bottom of the bottom, no washer on sale for much more than £200 here. Have never owned Haier, would never want to. |
Post# 862082 , Reply# 30   1/15/2016 at 18:14 (2,994 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Post# 862101 , Reply# 31   1/15/2016 at 20:57 (2,994 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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is about an hour from me. I hope they keep that in operation. As far as GE, the ONLY GE major appliance experience I've had was growing up with a GE Potscrubber dishwasher that cleaned like crazy! I'm not sure, but I think we also sidexside GE fridge...but this was in the 70s/80s. Other than this, I think it's all been Kenmore/Whirlpool for me, and since I've RARELY ever had problems with them anywhere I've lived, I've just continued to use them. Now, I do like the looks of some of the GE appliances currently out....
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Post# 862103 , Reply# 32   1/15/2016 at 21:25 (2,994 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Though Whirlpool is doing well, they are the only Major appliance mfg. left in America. I know there are some like Speed Queen, I am not discounting them. What I mean is full line appliance manufacturers.
I am afraid appliances are going to become what TV sets have already. I lived in Illinois when the Motorola/Quasar plant closed in Quincy. Then GE took their TV mfg to France. Now there are no American made TV sets on the market.
I just question as a whole, what are we becoming? Just a society of consumers?
I will mourn GE, and pray that replacement parts are kept available. I truly think they are selling out Americans for the sake of a larger bottom line, if only temporary. |
Post# 862115 , Reply# 33   1/15/2016 at 23:56 (2,994 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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No! No! No! No! This can't be happening! This can't be! Are you serious? Tel me it isn't so! Plese tell m that this isn't true! |
Post# 862117 , Reply# 34   1/16/2016 at 00:13 (2,994 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Tell me this isn't true! I have always thought so highly of GE! |
Post# 862149 , Reply# 37   1/16/2016 at 07:58 (2,994 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 862156 , Reply# 38   1/16/2016 at 09:13 (2,993 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Exquisite Dissertation Nate as always.
Yes Louis, I am with you as far as a good cry. Most of our family were Solid GE from the Early 50s through the late 60s. I do remember around 1966 Everything in our home from Small appliances to Major appliances were always GE. Irons, Toasters, Percolators, Can Openers, Electric Carving Knives, Ranges, Refrigerators Dishwashers, Washers, Dryers, Hair Dryers (with the bonnet) and more were everywhere in our home and most of our families. One line in a song comes to mind... "Those were the days my friend we thought they'd never end". Now, I'm going to install the Reverse Rack JennAir as I do not have a GE Dishwasher in operation right now. |
Post# 862200 , Reply# 40   1/16/2016 at 14:01 (2,993 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Costs a hell of lot less to live in China and Thailand than it does in the USA. You need higher wages which means higher prices too.
American cars did have a bad rap back years ago. Not true anymore thankfully. Quality and reliability are comparable in most cases to foreign brands. I bought My 2012 Chrysler 200 brand new and it now has 85k miles on it and I've yet to have anything repaired on it. I'm very happy. These things are out of our hands unfortunately. But we can at least discuss and hope for the best lol. |
Post# 862225 , Reply# 41   1/16/2016 at 16:19 (2,993 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 862233 , Reply# 42   1/16/2016 at 17:48 (2,993 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)   |   | |
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My father spent 38 years in Hotpoint's engineering division of General Electric. 5600 West Taylor Street. There were numerous factories scattered around Chicago in addition to Appliance Park. In my town most people worked for Hotpoint, Sunbeam or Western Electric.
The news of GE's appliance division sale is something I mourn, particularly the presumed loss of jobs in the USA. I am sure my Dad is turning in his grave like a rotisserie. The USA's GE appliance brand was a source of pride for me. Virtually everything in our house was GE and was of good quality. I liked having the GE brand in the home. As far as I am concerned my new view of GE is that the appliance brand is just another valueless label. On the other hand, a recent conversation was held regarding the loss of Japanese TV manufacturing to the Chinese. A comment was made that went something like this... "Well, ANYONE can make a TV nowadays! " It made me think... Refrigerators, ranges, room air-conditioners etc. are old, stable technologies. Technically, ANYONE can make these standard appliances. Perhaps is it best we dump these commoditized industries on the Chinese and think about being superior in tomorrow's advanced technologies? But honestly I would rather be selfish and keep the manufacturing USA based. I would have been happier seeing GE buying Haier, not the other way around. |
Post# 862237 , Reply# 43   1/16/2016 at 18:45 (2,993 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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as a consummer today in 2016 would you rather buy this or a good old fashion ge washer dryer? see link and picture credit to members on the site who picture i will use me if i had to purchuse a ge i would try to find a good old fashion ge filter flo washer that has the filter flo pan and liquid fabric sofner and 5 wash rinse temp that means a model that offers a warm rinse option as well as cold rinse witch means cold cold warm warm warm cold hot warm hot cold
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Post# 862491 , Reply# 45   1/18/2016 at 07:40 (2,992 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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when I did. So long GE Appliances. Now my first GE Combo is more valuable than ever!! I'm RICH!!! Finally collecting paid off !
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Post# 862513 , Reply# 46   1/18/2016 at 09:22 (2,991 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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I have yet to hear someone say, "rush out and buy an XYZ GE appliance while you still can!" The sale of what corporate brand to Haier would induce you to snap something up? Before the product line goes away as we currently know it and goods of such quality and distinction are no longer available. GE sees the China currency falling like a stone and knows they will have great difficulty competing against the lower sale prices of Chinese manufactured goods here that will result. I am amazed they got $5.4 billion for it. |
Post# 862522 , Reply# 47   1/18/2016 at 09:51 (2,991 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese govt helped with that 5.4 billion just to get their hands on a huge American company, brand and distribution channel.
One thing I keep hearing is GE's contractor network is the envy of the industry. I'm sure Haier/China would love to be in 8/10 American apartment buildings nation-wide. |
Post# 862533 , Reply# 48   1/18/2016 at 10:42 (2,991 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 862535 , Reply# 49   1/18/2016 at 10:45 (2,991 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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First, washers don't clean, now they spy on you... Let's be real: The fact you are posting on this website means there are several way cheaper methods to get to know more about you for anybody on this world. |
Post# 862700 , Reply# 51   1/18/2016 at 22:00 (2,991 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)   |   | |
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Cut the knee-jerk DRAMA people.
1. Every company or long standing brand, has had winner AND loser designs.
2. If 51%, or more, of a company's stock, like GE or Ford, is owned by people/groups OUTSIDE the U.S., is it still a U.S. company?
3. If a company like Whirlpool, has some of the products designed and made by, lets say Germans (Whirlpool Duet) is the product "American" made?
4. If a Buick or Cadillac is assembled in China(Buick Envision), is it still "American" made ?
5. Is "American Made" relevant in a global economy?
6. So we don't complain when a company like GM or McDonalds or Walmart, stretches its entrepreneurial hands into other countries and propagates like a barn full of bunnies, but it's a problem when other companies come to the U.S.?
7. Theoretically and practically, white goods, like appliances, are text book examples of being almost completely manufactured by robots. This we were told back in the 50s was a desirable GOAL. Wouldn't you agree? Does it matter where they are made?
8. I've owned a few Haier appliances. Air conditioners, a chest freezer, refrigerators. I never had any problems. In fact, I like the compact designs they offer. And if they strive to serve the BOL market, that doesn't mean the products are junk. BOL is not synonymous with junk, and TOL is definitely not synonymous with quality built. It just means they have a much greater number of people who can afford to buy their products, and that's a smart move.
9. GE hasn't wanted to be in the consumer appliance business for decades. They've only held onto it like a cousin they'd prefer to drown. As much as I like some of their designs, the Filter-flo, for example, has fond memories for me and it's fun; but it was a crap design, and it took them until 1995 to replace it. Long after Whirlpool updated their washers. So, they haven't been vested in their appliance line. The 80s saw virtual stagnation of almost all the major GE appliance designs.
10. I'm interested in QUALITY products. I don't care Who designs them, or where they're put together.
11. The borders and boundaries we've previously known, such as states and countries, are being dissolved. Certainly the business community doesn't adhere to those lines. The internet has little regard for state, ethnic, or country boundaries. Why would you want to pen yourself in?
12. And remember, the U.S. is NOT the crème de' le crème in ANYTHING. In all the important arenas of life, other countries have us beat several times over. The U.S., is still trying to get universal health care and internet to everyone. Something all other industrialized countries have had for quite a while now, with no problems. The knuckle dragging in this country is pathetic.
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Post# 862770 , Reply# 52   1/19/2016 at 06:18 (2,991 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 862797 , Reply# 53   1/19/2016 at 07:43 (2,991 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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But you are wrong on one front- completely !
"In all the important arenas of life, other countries have us beat several times over."
Everyone wants to come live here!, no one is struggling to get into Korea, Japan, China, Russia, Brazil, Mexico. So we must be doing something right - correct ???
And last I checked the only flag planted by a man on the Moon is the US Flag. And it maybe the first flag planted on Mars too.
I have travelled the world and I mean including the 3rd world and I have met and lived beside beautiful people and places that can't compare to the US but what you said is completely wrong.
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Post# 862798 , Reply# 54   1/19/2016 at 07:56 (2,991 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 862805 , Reply# 55   1/19/2016 at 08:50 (2,990 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Get to know your State Owned Enterprise.
It's only a marginally important point that Haier Group is a State Owned Enterprise. That is, a commercial entity trading in the marketplace with backing, funding and a stake in ownership by a government or nation. There was some mention last week in news articles announcing the deal that one stumbling block to "rubber stamp" approval of the GE deal was that Haier is a SOE and it's chairman (Zhang Rui Min) also sits on the CCP Central Committee, the communist party's highest authority.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owne...
We can climb into the way-way back time machine (the internet :) and see what Haier's origins are, what shaped their philosophy and who the main characters are. These are but a sampling of what's out there to read.
knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/artic...
www.forbes.com/global/2012/0507/g...
GE Appliance division is being acquired by Qingdao Haier Co LTD, not the electronics company Haier Electronics Co. While they certainly look like the same company, they are two separate entities. Chinese government ownership is held in both companies.
From the company's vision statement -
Haier Is the Sea. Haier should be like the sea. Because the sea can accept all the rivers on earth, big and small, far and near, coming all the way to empty into it. Once in the bosom of the sea, every drop will function as a whole and rush together pertinaciously and dauntlessly, under the command of the sea, to a common goal. They will rather be smashed to pieces than retreat as deserters, hence the overwhelming force of the sea. The sea offers all of itself to mankind and never demands anything in return. Only through this bounty and unselfishness can the sea become an everlasting existence providing for all living beings. Haier should be like the sea--accepting all talented people from around the world for an ambitious goal. Every Haier employee should be capable rather than mediocre and redundant, for they are the backbone and guarantee of Haier's future development. Concerted efforts will generate power of the sea. This will be backed by a spirit--"Dedication to the Motherland by Pursuing Excellence" which Haier persistently advocates. Therefore, everything deemed unbelievable and impossible can be real and possible, and the Billow of Haier will rush past everything on its way and roll on and on. Thus, Haier should be like the sea--making contributions to mankind "sincerely forever." In so doing, it will exist forever for the good of all. Haier will be part of the whole society. Haier is the sea.
In Chinese Haier is written 海尔 - the first character is Hai (high) meaning Sea. Second character is Er (short "er" sound). Together, these characters form a proper name and have no literal meaning but it's easy to see the metaphor extrapolation from the written Chinese. |
Post# 862825 , Reply# 56   1/19/2016 at 10:42 (2,990 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 862905 , Reply# 57   1/19/2016 at 18:14 (2,990 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 863040 , Reply# 58   1/20/2016 at 09:42 (2,989 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 863164 , Reply# 60   1/20/2016 at 22:04 (2,989 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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