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Post# 861938   1/15/2016 at 04:34 (471 days old) by rockland1 (Wisconsin)        

Just heard on ABC News GE sells appliance division to Haier. A sad day in

Post# 861947 , Reply# 1   1/15/2016 at 05:40 (471 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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The $64,000 Question: Will this ultimately improve Haier or degrade GE? I know Haier has been keen to improve their image, their appliances, and their sales in the US.

Post# 861951 , Reply# 2   1/15/2016 at 06:05 (471 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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Doesn't Haier own Fisher and Paykel now too?


Post# 861954 , Reply# 3   1/15/2016 at 06:18 (471 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

The sale is still subject to approval by Hair stockholders and regulatory issues.It is sad-drather GE appliance just go out of business.

Post# 861964 , Reply# 4   1/15/2016 at 07:41 (471 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
GE Appliance Divison Sold To Haier

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Yay, I knew that it would either go to Haier, LG or Samsung.


I am glad it went to Haier because more American [ many union jobs ] will be saved this way. Haier does not have major manufacturing capacity in this country so that may bode well for keeping some of GEs old factories running here. If one of the Korean companies had gotten it more appliances would have likely just come from Korea.


And about now I am sick and tired of the cheap Korean appliances, yesterday I had to install a new heating element in a full sized Samsung dryer. The SS dryer is basically a copy of a WP built 27" dryer, but it is so cheaply built, you can not believe how much thinner everything is compared to a WP dryer [ and believe me WP dryers are already thin enough ] I cant believe anyone that has ever worked on or done a direct comparison of LG and SS washers, dryers, refs etc would ever buy one. I most cases I would estimate that the Korean appliances will end up having about 1/2 the useful life spans of the WP built stuff to say nothing of washers and dryers built by Speed Queen.


John L.

Post# 861965 , Reply# 5   1/15/2016 at 07:47 (471 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Yep, it's true: We just play around with money...



-- Dave

Post# 861975 , Reply# 6   1/15/2016 at 08:26 (471 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Haier is the brand with the pretty much worst reputation over here... At least they have been known to be an absolut BOL manufacturer...

Post# 861978 , Reply# 7   1/15/2016 at 08:33 (471 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        


Well... hold on a second... I'll kill myself and be right back..

Post# 861980 , Reply# 8   1/15/2016 at 08:37 (471 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

To be fair, While in nursing school my microwave went out. I bought a Gold Star at of all places Walgreens ( the price was right). Last I knew it was still working, I had passed it on to family years ago.

Post# 861997 , Reply# 9   1/15/2016 at 09:45 (471 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
As Adele would say

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This is the end.



Post# 861998 , Reply# 10   1/15/2016 at 09:48 (471 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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I'm more worried about Appliance Park. If they keep that and the workers, I'll feel much better. I hate to see this American icon leave American ownership but not much you can do. They obviously wanted out of the appliance business pretty badly. It's sad, but such is the times.

I've always been a loyal GE customer so I'll have to see how things go. Let's hope all that changes is the ownership.

Post# 861999 , Reply# 11   1/15/2016 at 09:50 (471 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Absolutely disgraceful.

Looks like my next range will be a WP/MT instead.
Got the last American GE dishwasher. I'll enjoy that.
Now all we got left is Team Whirlpool.

Post# 862000 , Reply# 12   1/15/2016 at 09:50 (471 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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And yes, I'm changing my watermark.

Post# 862003 , Reply# 13   1/15/2016 at 09:58 (471 days old) by Murando531 (Huntsville, AL)        

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I've never been a GE fan at all, so I could care less either way. I do however agree with John, I'm glad the sale went to a company other than Samsung or LG. There is no more vile corporate existence in this world than SS and their blatant and admitted rip offs of every successful manufacturers work, whether it be electronics or appliances. LG isn't as terrible in that regard because they do innovate in their own way with certain things, but they're already too big for their pants to be taking in a brand as big as GE.

I also agree that every SS appliance I've seen disassembled in person was an LG or Whirlpool ripoff, although with plastics and tin metal that have the same quality as toys bought at the Dollar Tree.

Post# 862005 , Reply# 14   1/15/2016 at 10:02 (471 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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My mother was always a loyal GE customer.  There was a time she would not have anything but GE in her house.   Slowly as GE began to become disinterested in the customers that made them, we started migrating to Maytag, now Whirlpool. 


This last range I purchased was a GE, Not up to the standards as the original P-7, but still a good range.  GE at one time had the top rated Washer/Dryer on the market as well as the Top rated Dishwasher the GSD 1200. 


I guess there is just more profit in a locomotive engine or MRI machine than a Filter-flo washer.


Good-bye GE.  I shall never buy ye again.


Post# 862008 , Reply# 15   1/15/2016 at 10:06 (471 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
More than likely

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Haier will quietly wind down operations in Appliance park and other locales with product coming from low wage "competitive" factories.

And as surely as night follows day, WH among others will do the monkey see, monkey do and follow Haiers lead.

Naturally, Wall Street will go into a frenzy praising GE for "focusing on growth areas" while "reducing exposure to cyclical lines of business". Et Cetera.

Corporate whores they are, no more no less.

Post# 862010 , Reply# 16   1/15/2016 at 10:37 (471 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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@Washman Has Haier done that to F&P?

Post# 862024 , Reply# 17   1/15/2016 at 12:19 (471 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Good Question

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How long has Haier owned F&P? And has their product suffered as a result?


Post# 862026 , Reply# 18   1/15/2016 at 12:45 (471 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
GE Appliance factories stateside are unionized

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foremost that is the kiss of death per Wall Street Journal.
Second, this allows GE to wipe their hands of 12,000 Appliance employees. They get fast cash, offload pension liabilities and can buy back more stock to keep shareholders happy.

Haier already has facilities in low cost China. Why would they want to continue to pay union scale wages to make pretty much the same thing for higher cost?

Post# 862028 , Reply# 19   1/15/2016 at 13:07 (471 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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David Bowie and now GE... a sad year so far. :-/

Post# 862030 , Reply# 20   1/15/2016 at 13:18 (471 days old) by Murando531 (Huntsville, AL)        

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And Alan Rickman. :/

Post# 862031 , Reply# 21   1/15/2016 at 13:28 (471 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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And Dan Haggerty

Post# 862032 , Reply# 22   1/15/2016 at 13:29 (471 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Its been at least 5 years now since Haier bought F&P and all the manufacturing moved offshore to Thailand.

Across three houses we have 4 F&P fridges, 2 that were made 20km from where I live and 2 that came from Thailand. Both products are identical. The oldest is now 11 years old without a service.

Over Christmas, I've just helped a friend pick out a new French door fridge for their new house and again the shelves and all the components are the same as they were on the Australian made stuff. The new 2016 models have much lower energy consumption, but otherwise the structural parts haven't changed.

Mum's oven that was bought pre Haier buy out has only just been superseded by a new model that has a lower profile control panel, but internally is exactly the same as the old one.

It seems that Haier was just as interested in getting the quality brand of F&P not their intellectual property. Most of the products we get in Australia come from Thailand these days, Cars, appliances etc. They seem to rapidly becoming what Japan was in the 80's, a low cost manufacturer of high quality appliances.

We have 3 20yo F&P dishwashers left in the office and in my conversations with the F&P repair men, if anything the build quality has gone up since manufacturing went off shore.

Post# 862036 , Reply# 23   1/15/2016 at 13:52 (471 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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That's my feeling basically. As long as the products stay the same (or better) and for me, if they are still built by American workers in Louisville....I'll continue to buy GE appliances. Otherwise I'll probably stick with Whirlpool products.

I've been a union employee for over 10 years so I like to support my fellow members. A few years ago I bought a Ford Fusion...LOVED that car. Got home and realized that it was built in Mexico....I flipped out. Went back to the dealer and got a Focus instead, built in the U.S. The dealer was real good about thankfully. LOL I'm so OCD about that stuff.

Post# 862044 , Reply# 24   1/15/2016 at 15:22 (471 days old) by jerrod6 (Center City Philadelphia Pennsylvania, U.S.A)        

There is not much point hoping that appliances will continue to be made in the USA or any specific country. The product will eventually be made in whatever country is most economical for the company to make them and they may or may not continue to be called GE.  Most likely they will be called that for a few years and then the name will fade away...better than them continuing to use the name, like Whirlpool continues to use the KitchenAid name, while producing a product that is nothing like Hobart would produce today. 


These appliances were no longer cost competitive for GE.  The money can be made in manufacturing and maintaining commercial equipment.  The last MRI I had performed was done inside a GE unit.  More money in selling that to health care providers than selling a washer or DW to residential consumers.  


Anyone see that GE commercial showing the guy happy because he is programing?  Programming the way trains operate- not the way washers function. 


It's just the way it is.



Post# 862047 , Reply# 25   1/15/2016 at 15:30 (471 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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GE channeled their Haier power. 

Post# 862058 , Reply# 26   1/15/2016 at 15:53 (471 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
GE to Haier

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I'm reminded of the Far Side comic where the goldfish stand outside their bowl, their castle ornament ablaze, lamenting, "Well, thank God we all made it out in time...'course, now we're equally screwed."

I also think of AMC, who ran a radio ad sometime in the mid-eighties, offering zero-percent interest financing on new purchases. After the ad, the DJ murmured something about "I think 'zero interest' is exactly the problem."

Much as it pains us (I still wish I could shop at Montgomery Ward--and hush, Ralph ;-) ) to watch it all unfold, I'm not sure there's a way to win these situations (and indeed, it depends on whose definition of "winning" it is to which you're subscribing).

In market segments that are saturated, even venerable brands succumb. Sometimes it's because you can't enhance your profitability in an already marginal situation. You can try to do a lot of things to enhance short-term profitability (renegotiate contracts, trim workforce, improve efficiency, convince everyone to replace everything they own, or engineer the stuff you produce to have a two-year lifespan--and so forth).

Eventually, the problem is there's already a world full of what you're selling, and other people in other places are making it for less, maybe with more features than what you can add for the same pricepoint.

There are a lot of peripheral issues here that may affect the long-term outcome, and I think that workforce costs are going to be huge contributors. I'll be keen to see if, like Hyundai, Haier might regard this as an opportunity for on-shore production, and play up the "Look, we build it here!" angle. Even if they do, though, I have my doubts as to whether the job force would be preserved--and assuredly not at the same pay/benefits level. I cite Interstate Brands' bankruptcy and reemergence as Hostess Brands, LLC, essentially as a way they could reboot, and get out of BCGTM contract terms (and pensions, and other commitments with which I'm sure they'd prefer to dispense).

From an engineering perspective, if we assume that Haier behaves more like Lenovo (who had been building laptops for IBM anyway, but then acquired the rights to the entire ThinkPad line when IBM discontinued PC production), then they'll use this opportunity to inherit a strong brand with good products in place, from which they can eventually develop the next generation. That may be soon; that may be later. Chances are, they'll keep a good thing going for a while--Lenovo managed to cling to that original ThinkPad design for a really long time, before finally redesigning it a couple of years ago. It was a good design from the start, so they stuck with it. Given the F&P example, this seems to align.

But the tooling and such is in Appliance Park, and Haier is somewhere else--whereas Lenovo had been doing it all along; they (literally) just had to switch the sticker. So, I rather expect that a rebadged Haier might be more likely. Still, if they continue to produce F&Ps in Thailand with the original designs, there's hope.

Seeing as Haier exists in a sphere with cheaper labor costs than GE, and as they are already the metaphorical D&M of their field, with rebadges aplenty for other sourcers, I think they have little need to keep Appliance Park around in the long-term, unless--like I said--they feel the need to make in-roads under the "Assembled in the U.S.A." angle. We'll see. (I hope I'm wrong.)

I don't think there was another way to keep the appliances division going for GE--no one else has the capital to take on a behemoth like that in the U.S., and the U.S. field of appliance manufacturers presently could only be tepidly termed an oligopoly at best.

In many ways, and many posts prior discussing it, it's apparent that this war was fought and decided long ago, anyway--the first waves arrived in the seventies when Westinghouse divested; in 1980 when GM called it a day; in the mid-eighties where Hobart hung-up the residential-products apron, and in 1986 when D&M--king of the badge-design--was teleported to the Electroluxian homeworld.

GE could have packed it in, too, but they seemed to be primarily a capital engine that carried on in the spirit of the great diversified corporations of the sixties. Money flowed to and fro, amongst the arms of the company that needed it at any given time. I almost think they were sufficiently capitalized to keep motoring along for quite some time, in a state of relative obliviousness.

Nevertheless, the capital engine tends to prune underperforming branches occasionally, and then the capital shuts off. Can you guess another GE division that went defunct once the hedgeclippers were produced? Montgomery Ward.

The stage seems to have been set long ago for the ultimate outcome of (WCI) Electrolux, Whirlpool, and Maytag persisting, with Maytag ultimately playing the role of AMC to Whirlpool's Chrysler in the opera, such as it were.

Post# 862065 , Reply# 27   1/15/2016 at 16:30 (471 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Some good points Roto......but I just don't get it when GE-A was so profitable. Maybe not to the level of other GE divisions, but still very profitable to the point they already paid back that 1B in App Park investment twice over.
They could've just let it run on its own. Or partially spun it off with a minor stake.
I expressed my 'feelings' on my Facebook and a few people replied, "meh, washers and microwaves are a distraction."

I think that's embarrassing then.
How are Mitsubishi and Bosch/Siemens etc. able to have their fingers in so many complimentary and non-complimentary industries and still be capable and successful?
Yet....American companies cannot?
Are we just dumb? Too ADD? Not talented enough? Or too profit and narrow/minded?

Why do we keep selling our [good] assets away?! And to foreigners no doubt? A country that our (blegh) allegedly future-president keeps railing against?

This just really pisses me off. I'm sure I'll cool off. But it is so defeatist and embarrassing.
We, ourselves, are choosing not to make things anymore.

Post# 862075 , Reply# 28   1/15/2016 at 17:27 (471 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

Glad to have gotten that GE range when we did. It's really the only GE appliance I really like and ever liked. Never was too crazy about them, but nevertheless it's still a shame to see them get sold off, whether it be to Electrosux or Haier. I didn't think of it before, but LG or Crapsung would've been far worse IMO.

Post# 862077 , Reply# 29   1/15/2016 at 17:49 (471 days old) by liamy1 (-)        

With henene4, here in the UK (as he stated is the same as in Germany).

HAIER is the bottom of the bottom, no washer on sale for much more than 200 here.

Have never owned Haier, would never want to.

Post# 862082 , Reply# 30   1/15/2016 at 18:14 (471 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        
Could be...

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Exactly why Haier wanted GE. To give themselves a premium brand and presence. From what I understood, Electrolux was going to slot GE in the middle between Frigidaire and their name brand in terms of pricing.

Post# 862101 , Reply# 31   1/15/2016 at 20:57 (470 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
The GE Appliance Park

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is about an hour from me. I hope they keep that in operation. As far as GE, the ONLY GE major appliance experience I've had was growing up with a GE Potscrubber dishwasher that cleaned like crazy! I'm not sure, but I think we also sidexside GE fridge...but this was in the 70s/80s. Other than this, I think it's all been Kenmore/Whirlpool for me, and since I've RARELY ever had problems with them anywhere I've lived, I've just continued to use them. Now, I do like the looks of some of the GE appliances currently out....

Post# 862103 , Reply# 32   1/15/2016 at 21:25 (470 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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Though Whirlpool is doing well, they are the only Major appliance mfg. left in America.  I know there are some like Speed Queen, I am not discounting them.  What I mean is full line appliance manufacturers.  


I am afraid appliances are going to become what TV sets have already.  I lived in Illinois when the Motorola/Quasar plant closed in Quincy.  Then GE took their TV mfg to France.  Now there are no American made TV sets on the market.  


I just question as a whole, what are we becoming?  Just a society of consumers?


I will mourn GE, and pray that replacement parts are kept available. I truly think they are selling out Americans for the sake of a larger bottom line, if only temporary. 

Post# 862115 , Reply# 33   1/15/2016 at 23:56 (470 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
This can't be!

No! No! No! No! This can't be happening! This can't be! Are you serious? Tel me it isn't so! Plese tell m that this isn't true!

Post# 862117 , Reply# 34   1/16/2016 at 00:13 (470 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        

Tell me this isn't true! I have always thought so highly of GE!

Post# 862119 , Reply# 35   1/16/2016 at 00:57 (470 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I just hope Hair keeps the GE site in Kentucky open.They should just provide operating capitol to the plant and make the machines as before.The cheapness goes from having to use cheaper and thinner metal-cost and allow for shipping.The thinner metal-lighter in weight for that overseas trip!I just hope Hair doesn't close that site down as TTI did when they took over the Royal and Hoover vacuum brands.
To GE itself-yes,think more profit is available from GE's jet engine division-providing engines for military planes and civilian airliners.Their turbine engines also power new Navy ships.At least the GE locomotives are still made in Erie,Pa rather than moved to Canada as GM EMD did-they closed and DEMOLISHED their LaGrainge,Il locomotive plant.GE locos are outselling EMD ones.The GE XRay and MRI imaging depts and equipment has been moved to China.Are you sure you want to be radiographed under Chinese GE gear???

Post# 862122 , Reply# 36   1/16/2016 at 01:49 (470 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

I'm not surprised at all. This year I bought a new GE fridge from Home Depot and to be honest I can't fit near as much food and things inside it even though it's supposedly larger than the old one it replaced, go figure. I ended up regretting buying it after I saw other brands and models at Sears, they looked better and had LED lighting and better shelf utilization. Very disappointed in GE. I plan on replacing my fridge later this year.
We had a MOL GE dishwasher that nearly caught our kitchen on fire when the thermostat went out and it kept getting hotter and hotter to the point the cabinets were extremely hot to touch, everything in the dishwasher had to be replaced. Two months after that happened there was a recall on thousands of their dishwashers over the same issue. GE knew about the faulty part but waited way to long to address it with their customer base.
When our old Kenmore washer died, I didn't even consider GE for replacement. Not even on the radar. Way to many complaints.
I'm wondering though if the stringent DOE guidelines on appliances had a lot to do with GE unloading their appliance division. Surely the complaints on the washers/dryers didn't go unnoticed. I read the complaints on the website Consumer Affairs and there is not one single positive review on their washers.

Post# 862149 , Reply# 37   1/16/2016 at 07:58 (470 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I'm gonna' have a good cry now.

Post# 862156 , Reply# 38   1/16/2016 at 09:13 (470 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Exquisite Dissertation Nate as always.

Yes Louis, I am with you as far as a good cry.

Most of our family were Solid GE from the Early 50s through the late 60s. I do remember around 1966 Everything in our home from Small appliances to Major appliances were always GE.
Irons, Toasters, Percolators, Can Openers, Electric Carving Knives, Ranges, Refrigerators Dishwashers, Washers, Dryers, Hair Dryers (with the bonnet) and more were everywhere in our home and most of our families.

One line in a song comes to mind... "Those were the days my friend we thought they'd never end".

Now, I'm going to install the Reverse Rack JennAir as I do not have a GE Dishwasher in operation right now.

Post# 862158 , Reply# 39   1/16/2016 at 09:39 (470 days old) by brucelucenta (tulsa, oklahoma)        

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While it would be nice to have GE continue manufacturing appliances here in the USA, it probably isn't realistic. It is just too much more cost efficient in other places. Seems that the quality of cars at least, is much better in other places of manufacturing too. Although I have nothing against anything made in the USA, the cars made here along with some of the other things,certainly do not seem to be of very good quality. I know that for many years I had GM made cars and trucks. They all had many problems and seemed to be in the shop a lot in the first couple of years of their life. And the Chrysler K car convertible I had the misfortune to buy spent more of it's existance in the shop than on the road!!! Since switching to Toyota and Honda vehicles, I have not had those problems. I did have a Ford truck in "97 that was a good vehicle and I had no real problems with it. I cannot imagine getting rid of a car I was having no problem with simply because I discovered it was manufactured somewhere besides the USA. I think the proof is in the track record American made has, which is a pretty poor one. Perhaps it has something to do with those very "Union" shops that some speak so proudly of. Do you suppose? It certainly drives the prices up and quality down. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future. Personally, I think Unions were useful at one time, but now are just a thorn in the side for all of us. The government does not let things happen anymore that unions were created for originally. They make it possible now for slackers to do little and make more and to force someone who excels in their job to slow down or be persecuted. That is just wrong. It's also why prices of USA manufactured goods are so high. Things manufactured on other countries have to be imported and shipped. In the USA you would think it would be significantly less to buy something made here. Usually it is not. Maybe we could learn something from other countries.

Post# 862200 , Reply# 40   1/16/2016 at 14:01 (470 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH)        
It's all relative I guess...

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Costs a hell of lot less to live in China and Thailand than it does in the USA. You need higher wages which means higher prices too.

American cars did have a bad rap back years ago. Not true anymore thankfully. Quality and reliability are comparable in most cases to foreign brands. I bought My 2012 Chrysler 200 brand new and it now has 85k miles on it and I've yet to have anything repaired on it. I'm very happy.

These things are out of our hands unfortunately. But we can at least discuss and hope for the best lol.

Post# 862225 , Reply# 41   1/16/2016 at 16:19 (470 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
well then time to hunt craig list and used appliance stores

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looks like lots of members whoi will went genuine general electric appliance will be hunting for filter flo washers with matching dryers on craiglist same for dishwashers ect and those that can restore fix there actual ge appliance will take good care of them.

Post# 862233 , Reply# 42   1/16/2016 at 17:48 (470 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
This is a tough one for me to digest. I am oddly mixed...

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My father spent 38 years in Hotpoint's engineering division of General Electric. 5600 West Taylor Street. There were numerous factories scattered around Chicago in addition to Appliance Park. In my town most people worked for Hotpoint, Sunbeam or Western Electric.
The news of GE's appliance division sale is something I mourn, particularly the presumed loss of jobs in the USA. I am sure my Dad is turning in his grave like a rotisserie. The USA's GE appliance brand was a source of pride for me. Virtually everything in our house was GE and was of good quality. I liked having the GE brand in the home. As far as I am concerned my new view of GE is that the appliance brand is just another valueless label.
On the other hand, a recent conversation was held regarding the loss of Japanese TV manufacturing to the Chinese. A comment was made that went something like this... "Well, ANYONE can make a TV nowadays! "
It made me think... Refrigerators, ranges, room air-conditioners etc. are old, stable technologies. Technically, ANYONE can make these standard appliances. Perhaps is it best we dump these commoditized industries on the Chinese and think about being superior in tomorrow's advanced technologies?
But honestly I would rather be selfish and keep the manufacturing USA based. I would have been happier seeing GE buying Haier, not the other way around.

Post# 862237 , Reply# 43   1/16/2016 at 18:45 (470 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
what would you rather buy this or a good old fashion ge

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as a consummer today in 2016 would you rather buy this or a good old fashion ge washer dryer? see link and picture credit to members on the site who picture i will use me if i had to purchuse a ge i would try to find a good old fashion ge filter flo washer that has the filter flo pan and liquid fabric sofner and 5 wash rinse temp that means a model that offers a warm rinse option as well as cold rinse witch means cold cold warm warm warm cold hot warm hot cold

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Post# 862257 , Reply# 44   1/16/2016 at 20:05 (470 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
"now they work for us"

looks like that political commercial from a couple years ago is coming true...
will be interesting to see what happens with GE appliances over the next couple years...Haier actually has been making their American size refrigerators in the U.S.since ~2010 or longer:some of these"big"refrigerators are exported as luxury items to china :)My local Pamida store was selling these U.S. Haiers and some the parts were U.S. origin including the power cords and icemakers-I brought in a small pocket flashlight to the store and tried to discreetly sneak a peek at the compressor through the rear grille-could not make out brand or origin of the compressor,though a small Haier chest freezer I have has a "korea"marked LG compressor.Makes me wonder if Haier will drop production of GE fridges and stick GE badges on Haier fridges...

Post# 862491 , Reply# 45   1/18/2016 at 07:40 (468 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Well I am glad I jumped on this new cooktop

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when I did. So long GE Appliances. Now my first GE Combo is more valuable than ever!!

I'm RICH!!! Finally collecting paid off ! 



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Post# 862513 , Reply# 46   1/18/2016 at 09:22 (468 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        
Jetcone comes closest...

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I have yet to hear someone say, "rush out and buy an XYZ GE appliance while you still can!"

The sale of what corporate brand to Haier would induce you to snap something up? Before the product line goes away as we currently know it and goods of such quality and distinction are no longer available.

GE sees the China currency falling like a stone and knows they will have great difficulty competing against the lower sale prices of Chinese manufactured goods here that will result. I am amazed they got $5.4 billion for it.

Post# 862522 , Reply# 47   1/18/2016 at 09:51 (468 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese govt helped with that 5.4 billion just to get their hands on a huge American company, brand and distribution channel.
One thing I keep hearing is GE's contractor network is the envy of the industry. I'm sure Haier/China would love to be in 8/10 American apartment buildings nation-wide.

Post# 862533 , Reply# 48   1/18/2016 at 10:42 (468 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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"I'm sure Haier/China would love to be in 8/10 American apartment buildings nation-wide."


Yeah, a lot easier for state sponsored surveillance.



Post# 862535 , Reply# 49   1/18/2016 at 10:45 (468 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
Oh, come on...

First, washers don't clean, now they spy on you...

Let's be real: The fact you are posting on this website means there are several way cheaper methods to get to know more about you for anybody on this world.

Post# 862585 , Reply# 50   1/18/2016 at 14:27 (468 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

I guess we're stuck with Whirlpool if we want any major appliances made by an American company now. Will NOT consider anything Korean, they're good at making things shiny and appealing and then you get it and realize it's half baked and has all sorts of weird flaws and quirks one never knew could even exist. (My brother lived in South Korea for two years, has lots to say about them and one of those things was that they are NOT detail oriented people...) Be interesting to see what higher end Chinese appliances (i.e. GE) are like compared to the Korean brands.

Post# 862700 , Reply# 51   1/18/2016 at 22:00 (467 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        
Oh PA-LEEEZ.....

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Cut the knee-jerk DRAMA people. 


1. Every company or long standing brand, has had winner AND loser designs. 


2. If 51%, or more, of a company's stock, like GE or Ford, is owned by people/groups OUTSIDE the U.S., is it still a U.S. company?


3. If a company like Whirlpool, has some of the products designed and made by, lets say Germans (Whirlpool Duet) is the product "American" made?


4. If a Buick or Cadillac is assembled in China(Buick Envision), is it still "American" made ?


5. Is "American Made" relevant in a global economy?    


6. So we don't complain when a company like GM  or McDonalds or Walmart, stretches its entrepreneurial hands into other countries and propagates like a barn full of bunnies, but it's a problem when other companies come to the U.S.?   


7. Theoretically and practically, white goods, like appliances, are text book examples of being almost completely manufactured by robots.  This we were told back in the 50s was a desirable GOAL.  Wouldn't you agree?  Does it matter where they are made?


8. I've owned a few Haier appliances.  Air conditioners, a chest freezer, refrigerators.  I never had any problems.  In fact, I like the compact designs they offer.  And if they strive to serve the BOL market, that doesn't mean the products are junk.  BOL is not synonymous with junk, and TOL is definitely not synonymous with quality built.  It just means they have a much greater number of people who can afford to buy their products, and that's a smart move.


9. GE hasn't wanted to be in the consumer appliance business for decades.  They've only held onto it like a cousin they'd prefer to drown.  As much as I like some of their designs, the Filter-flo, for example, has fond memories for me and it's fun; but it was a crap design, and it took them until 1995 to replace it.  Long after Whirlpool updated their washers.  So, they haven't been vested in their appliance line.  The 80s saw virtual stagnation of almost all the major GE appliance designs. 


10.  I'm interested in QUALITY products.  I don't care Who designs them, or where they're put together. 


11. The borders and boundaries we've previously known, such as states and countries, are being dissolved.  Certainly the business community doesn't adhere to those lines.  The internet has little regard for state, ethnic, or country boundaries.  Why would you want to pen yourself in?


12. And remember, the U.S. is NOT the crème de' le crème in ANYTHING. In all the important arenas of life, other countries have us beat several times over.  The U.S., is still trying to get universal health care and internet to everyone.  Something all other industrialized countries have had for quite a while now, with no problems.  The knuckle dragging in this country is pathetic. 



Post# 862770 , Reply# 52   1/19/2016 at 06:18 (467 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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My GE induction range is the best thing I have purchased in a long time. I don't miss cooking with gas a single bit.


Post# 862797 , Reply# 53   1/19/2016 at 07:43 (467 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Well you were certainly clear there

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But you are wrong on one front- completely !


"In all the important arenas of life, other countries have us beat several times over."


Everyone wants to come live here!, no one is struggling to get into Korea, Japan, China, Russia, Brazil, Mexico.
So you got that wrong .

So we must be doing something right - correct ???


And last I checked the only flag planted by a man on the Moon is the US Flag. And it maybe the first flag planted on Mars too.


I have travelled the world and I mean including the 3rd world and I have met and lived beside beautiful people and places that can't compare to the US but what you said is completely wrong.


Post# 862798 , Reply# 54   1/19/2016 at 07:56 (467 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Heres a link to

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my review on GE' s website




Post# 862805 , Reply# 55   1/19/2016 at 08:50 (467 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Haier is the sea.

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Get to know your State Owned Enterprise.


It's only a marginally important point that Haier Group is a State Owned Enterprise.  That is, a commercial entity trading in the marketplace with backing, funding and a stake in  ownership by a government or nation.  There was some mention last week in news articles announcing the deal that one stumbling block to "rubber stamp" approval of the GE deal was that Haier is a SOE and it's chairman (Zhang Rui Min) also sits on the CCP Central Committee, the communist party's highest authority.



We can climb into the way-way back time machine (the internet :) and see what Haier's origins are, what shaped their philosophy and who the main characters are.  These are but a sampling of what's out there to read.


GE Appliance division is being acquired by Qingdao Haier Co LTD, not the electronics company Haier Electronics Co.  While they certainly look like the same company, they are two separate entities.  Chinese government ownership is held in both companies.  



From the company's vision statement - 



Haier Is the Sea.  Haier should be like the sea. Because the sea can accept all the rivers on earth, big and small, far and near, coming all the way to empty into it. Once in the bosom of the sea, every drop will function as a whole and rush together pertinaciously and dauntlessly, under the command of the sea, to a common goal. They will rather be smashed to pieces than retreat as deserters, hence the overwhelming force of the sea. The sea offers all of itself to mankind and never demands anything in return. Only through this bounty and unselfishness can the sea become an everlasting existence providing for all living beings. Haier should be like the sea--accepting all talented people from around the world for an ambitious goal. Every Haier employee should be capable rather than mediocre and redundant, for they are the backbone and guarantee of Haier's future development. Concerted efforts will generate power of the sea. This will be backed by a spirit--"Dedication to the Motherland by Pursuing Excellence" which Haier persistently advocates. Therefore, everything deemed unbelievable and impossible can be real and possible, and the Billow of Haier will rush past everything on its way and roll on and on. Thus, Haier should be like the sea--making contributions to mankind "sincerely forever." In so doing, it will exist forever for the good of all. Haier will be part of the whole society. Haier is the sea. 


 In Chinese Haier is written 海尔 - the first character is Hai (high) meaning Sea.  Second character is Er (short "er" sound).  Together, these characters form a proper name and have no literal meaning but it's easy to see the metaphor extrapolation from the written Chinese.

Post# 862825 , Reply# 56   1/19/2016 at 10:42 (467 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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That's a statement that generates cause for thought >


"Dedication to the Motherland by Pursuing Excellence"

Post# 862905 , Reply# 57   1/19/2016 at 18:14 (467 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Yup. GE, an American registered company, is selling part of itself to a foreign government.
I wonder who that will play out in regulations?
It probably won't.
Nobody cares about appliances....except when there's too many oven factories (cough, ELECTROLUX, cough cough)

Post# 863040 , Reply# 58   1/20/2016 at 09:42 (466 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
Jus' gimme a ring on top o' the agitator--

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--And a rear opening lid, so I have to set'er on top o' the 'Haier Dr-ier', or a nearby countertop!


So, well, maybe someday we'll see:


The Haier Filter-Flo Lint Filter System--designed to get rid of your Haier-y Lint!!!!




-- Dave

Post# 863080 , Reply# 59   1/20/2016 at 14:34 (466 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
America should be ashamed

Of herself, in 1954 we made 2/3 of all goods produced in the world, until 1961 we had a balanced budget with a surplus, look at us now! PITIFUL!!!A economy with no manufacturing cant last forever, I wouldn't mind paying a few dollars more for clothes that were made here..ETC.Just very shameful if you ask me, I DO care where something is made, every dollar we spend on foreign junk, means some American is oUT OF WORK...Ive said it before, If I see black smoke billowing out of a smokestack, I don't fret over pollution, I say, THAT PLANT IS RUNNING and PEOPLE ARE MAKING A LIVING!!!!!

Post# 863164 , Reply# 60   1/20/2016 at 22:04 (465 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Well here ya go

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I have a pair and I'm getting more too boot !


Here is a fantastic sweat too ! Best sweat I've put on in 30 years !




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