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Post# 862241   1/16/2016 at 19:13 (618 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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What do you do on Cape Cod during a rainy cold day?

Swap out machines. Why not?

Finally got around to installing the JennAir today.

Here he is all hooked up in his new cubbyhole.

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Post# 862242 , Reply# 1   1/16/2016 at 19:17 (618 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Load him up

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This is really my first reverse rack machine. I've used them before but haven't owned one and really played with it from start to finish.

So here we are starting with the breakfast dishes that of been sitting in the sink since 6 o'clock this morning.

Went to the gym first and did some marketing but then decided time to swap machines.

So here we go.

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Post# 862243 , Reply# 2   1/16/2016 at 19:20 (618 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Bottom rack

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Juggling juggling. Moving moving. It's definitely different but I'm getting used to it. Although this is the first wash, the oatmeal bowl in the top rack is really dry the sauce pot in the bottom rack has dried oatmeal in it and as you can see the skillet has dried on cooked egg whites which is hard to remove even with a Scrub Pad

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Post# 862245 , Reply# 3   1/16/2016 at 19:30 (618 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Well here's the skillet. Am I disappointed? Well, not really. All I use for the first cycle was normal wash with no heat and filled both detergent cups with cascade complete. And that would be powder. In all my excitement I took a picture of the skillet got a phone call, unloaded the dishwasher without taking pictures of all the clean stuff in the rack. The oatmeal bowl came out spotless so didn't the sauce pot the skillet egg whites are really tough. Even if you soak the pan they are still hard to remove. Anyone that cooked egg whites before knows that.

So the next time I decide to do a torture test like this, I'm going to use the heavy wash cycle with the heat and maybe a little STPP. The heated dry hands-down is the best I've ever seen. It's like a gale force wind or a category five hurricane wind coming out of the front vent actually kicks the crap out of the KitchenAid blow drying unit. I was very impressed with drying.

Post# 862277 , Reply# 4   1/16/2016 at 22:44 (618 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

Great machine. I miss my reverse rack Maytag. The bowls, in the top rack, should be facing the front, instead of facing the back.
Otherwise, everything else seems good.

Have fun with it.

Post# 862313 , Reply# 5   1/17/2016 at 09:31 (617 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Eddie, is your Jen" belt driven like the MT's? What pattern is your dinner plates? I like the colors. A

Post# 862322 , Reply# 6   1/17/2016 at 10:16 (617 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Enjoy this machine!

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These are wonderful machines; I've never known better cleaners. And yours has the fold-down tines in the upper rack so you can load big bulky things easily or use part of the upper rack for large,tall glasses like on the top-loader. Hard to find a front-loader that can handle more stuff and I'm someone who still thinks the Reverse-Rack design was a very clever solution to washing a great variety of items.


Does this machine have a fan for drying?

Post# 862326 , Reply# 7   1/17/2016 at 10:44 (617 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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@ alr... No, this is NOT a Belt Drive. I thought it was but upon tipping him over it's a direct drive.

The pattern on the dishes is called "Indian Tree" from Wood's, Burslem, England.

This pattern was used by a restaurant here on the Cape for years. A friend bought the restaurant and replaced the pattern. She in turn gave me a place setting for 8. Broke a few pieces over the years but still have most of it. It's quite Old. I believe they are commercial grade because they have withstood the Harsh Commercial Chemicals and hot water for years.

Gansky asked about them years ago as he admires them. So, pending upon my demise, I will make sure he gets all the pieces.

Hi. This is my first RR. It's not so much a challenge loading it but it is different. After the Princess, Mobile Maids, One Armed Wonders, Big Blues, Power Cleans, and the KDS 18, 19, and 20s... I do find myself scratching my head methodically examining the spray pattern as how the water comes up from the bottom, Tower, and top calculating deflection and water returning to the sump.

The Top Rack is Enormous. Getting ready to post pics from this morning's Breakfast with my Gym Buddy.

Does anyone know when what year the transition was from Belt Drive to Direct Drive ? I'm thinking Belt Drive was first.

(Kinda like which came first, The Chicken or the Egg ? ")

Oh Yes Ken. It is a Gale Force Category Five Hurricane Force Blower in this unit. I'm surprised the Plastics don't blow off the rack due to the volume of air that comes out the front vent. I've only glanced at the blower so I can't comment if it's larger then the KitchenAids. The KitchenAid (I just went out and measured) has the Blower unit and then a 8 inch duct with a 90 degree bend at the end to introduce the air into the Chamber Diffuser. Where the JennAir/ Tag is mounted directly below the diffuser. Theoretically this 8 inch duct with the 90 bend truly reduces the volume and force of the air opposed to the JennAir. If you have "sat" with your machines during the cycle, (which I doubt any of the rest of you have done... Yeah, Right LOL) there is a tremendous difference between these machines.

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Post# 862331 , Reply# 8   1/17/2016 at 11:06 (617 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Oh Yes...

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And as Nate has written before about some of his machines, it really helps to have the "ON" light there just to make sure you know when it's running. Ha ha

Post# 862346 , Reply# 9   1/17/2016 at 12:18 (617 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

TYVM, about the dish pattern, I really enjoy it. My cousin use to have a RR, in a cooler kitchen it was dramatic when the dry portion started, a geyser of steam, the way it should be. Thank You, Eddie. I hope your enjoy the RR. alr

Post# 862350 , Reply# 10   1/17/2016 at 12:27 (617 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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All Done.

And as we say on the Cape everything came out "Spahhhtliss" and "Wicked Clean"

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Post# 862376 , Reply# 11   1/17/2016 at 15:27 (617 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        

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I used to think that fan-forced air drying was an unnecessary "whistle",  but now that I wash way more plastics than anything else, it has become an advantage.

Post# 862380 , Reply# 12   1/17/2016 at 15:57 (617 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Pretty good results considering the egg-glue on stainless challenge.  Added heat, long cycle and STPP would probably do it.   Stay away from the Conserva-Wash, it sounds like a scary pre-emptive invasion strategy.


Love those Woods Indian Tree dishes.   I know a lady who collects the bone china version of this pattern.  We'll not talk about anyone's demise, just a dinner invitation - and cheesecake for dessert :-P


Post# 862401 , Reply# 13   1/17/2016 at 17:37 (617 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Reverse Rack MT DWs

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Started out as DD machines in the late 60s and went to the BD design around 1974 and transitioned back to a more durable and logical DD design sometime in 1989.


MT scrapped the RR DWs just a year or so later due to poor consumer acceptance and poor sales and after that MT DW sales really took off.


The only one I ever used much personally was the TOL all PB BD DW at Jons house on the cape, and while it worked pretty well I diffidently took many items out that were not clean, you diffidently should use the heated wash option and probably the heavy wash as well, but even with these selections this DW will not give you a guaranteed wash or final rinse temperature like your Power-Clean WP and KM DWs do.


John L.

Post# 862406 , Reply# 14   1/17/2016 at 18:14 (617 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

So if the Temperature Control is OFF, is the temperature out of control, uncontrolled or what?

Post# 862407 , Reply# 15   1/17/2016 at 18:16 (617 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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So, 1968-ish(?) to 1990-ish(?), Maytag reverse-rack dishwasher design was on the market for 22-ish years?

Post# 862421 , Reply# 16   1/17/2016 at 19:39 (617 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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I just ran the machine again and sat with it to get my ear "trained" to what noises are normal and what I should be expecting.

I noticed with the Temp. Control On, half way through the Main Wash, the "On" light goes out and the timer does not advance. The pump continues to circulate until the proper temp is reached. The next time I run Jen, I will stop the machine after the On light re- lights and check the water temperature with a thermometer.

DADoES... Not sure exactly of the Time Line of the Reverse Rack Lineage. KitchenAid I have a somewhat decent handle on, but Maytag Dishwashers... Not so much. I'm sure if Dan were here he might chime in.

Post# 862483 , Reply# 17   1/18/2016 at 06:46 (617 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
First MT RR DWs

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Came out only in a top loading portable around 1967, their first built-in came out about two years later around 1969, it was only introduced as an all push button machine, it was a WU600.


The first portables had dual pumps, but the built-ins always had one motor that reversed for draining.

Post# 862487 , Reply# 18   1/18/2016 at 07:23 (617 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Thank You John.

I remember looking at the Maytag Top Loaders at Stern's Department Store in Hackensack, N.J. when I would be then 11.
Being we had a Mobile Maid at out summer home, I couldn't believe how tiny the Jets were in the Wash Arms compared to the large openings of the MM.

I do remember a house here on the Cape that had the WU 600. I wonder if it's still there ???

Post# 862496 , Reply# 19   1/18/2016 at 08:25 (616 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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Looking good Eddie!  I guess that 'ON' light was just in case you didn't hear all the water rushing around, too... LOL


Loading a reverse rack can be a little tricky, but you'll get used to it I'm sure!



Post# 862501 , Reply# 20   1/18/2016 at 08:37 (616 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Thanks Paul.

Loading them when you're not used to a Reverse Rack sure is a Brain Teaser.

And Yes... That light sure is a help with it's virtually Silent Operation. :)

Post# 862528 , Reply# 21   1/18/2016 at 10:20 (616 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

When I had my reverse rack, I always loaded the upper rack knowing that most of the scrubbing action would be coming from the top wash arm. So if I had a dirty frying pan, baking pan or dish, I would always put them along the sides of the rack, next to the small plate tines, dirty surface facing inward. The pan or dish would be standing straight up, not facing down.

Post# 863217 , Reply# 22   1/21/2016 at 06:40 (614 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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I'll have to try that one, I have been loading my pans in the bottom rack facing down. But then sometimes I don't have room for glasses. 

Post# 863246 , Reply# 23   1/21/2016 at 09:21 (613 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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The machine cleans fantastically.

If design were to come back, my only improvements would be: Ditch the Tower and do a full sized arm under the top rack. Then enable that top rack to tilt, raise and lower. Add the KitchenAid Soak Cycle sans the Static Heat, and maybe add a Sani Cycle.

Also maybe split the Flatware Basket to be able to move it around in 2 sections.

I think then, it would be damn close to the perfect machine. (Just like a KDS-18) LOL.

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