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Post# 862378   1/17/2016 at 15:51 (885 days old) by bourbonbarrel (Kentucky)        

Hello from Kentucky.

My 16 year old Maytag (top load) performa set just bit the dust and we would like to purchase a new set in the next day or two. After significant web research and a few trips to various appliance retailers, I think we have decided on the SQ brand (although we are open other suggestions).

It's just the two of us with a little one on the way. As of right now we don't wash a significant amount of laundry - a few loads per week, but I'm sure that will change slightly in the coming months.

Would a SQ top load or front load be better for our growing family? Note that we have never owned a front load, only heard the pros and (mostly) cons. There seems to be adequate information and opinion on the top loader on the web (including this site), but very little opinion on the front loader. Additionally, I think we favor the electronic controlled SQ's, but I'm also not sure as much of the data is related to the older models with mechanical controls. We are trying to bite the bullet and buy once and cry once, so any suggestions would be great.

Post# 862389 , Reply# 1   1/17/2016 at 16:15 (885 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Just off the top of my head, I think you could buy four SQ top-loaders for the price of one SQ front-loader, so there's that. 


With a baby on the way, you should think about whether a super-high temperature wash option would be something you'd need.  No top-load machine offers such a thing, nor does the SQ front-loader.  Other makes of front-load machines do, by means of an on-board heater, depending on the model.


Others here will have to advise on whether the SQ front-loader offers a true hot wash that isn't temperature controlled.  If you have your water heater set high enough, a SQ top or front load machine without temperature control could be all you need.


Personally, I'm not sold on the rinsing job from a SQ toploader.  We had an Amana, which was a SQ clone, for several years and it was lousy at rinsing -- towels in particular.   If you want to eliminate the potential for skin irritation from detergent remaining in washed items, the front loading SQ might be the better option.


Just steer clear of Korean makes and GE.

Post# 862390 , Reply# 2   1/17/2016 at 16:19 (885 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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I still have my 1984 Maytags running strong with only 1 washer repair. But if I had to replace them, it would be a SQ top loader as it is the closest new to what I have now. Being more old school, I want a washer that does what I want it to do, not it. Hot water if you want, full tub of water if you want and you get clean clothes out of it. I prefer the mechanical controls over anything electronic.

Post# 862419 , Reply# 3   1/17/2016 at 19:37 (885 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I have had ,pretty much, every current brand of front loading washers and have had many disappointments with most. The only ones I have had excellent results and are still running strong with few,if any problems are my LGs. Look,even though you have the so called "American Assembled" washers and dryers,where do you think the parts are manufactured????!!!! Not here. So, with that said, my recomendation is LG. You dont need all the bells and whistles. Mine ( I now own six of them ) are going,strong. The oldest being eleven years old. That one was doa. The door latch assembly broke from slamming the door. Those as familiar with LG as I know you are able to readjust the water level by the,simple turning of a screw on the air pressure valve in the top under the lid. Mine fills up to the lowest level of the door handle and EVERYFHING gets uniformly washed, rinsed and spun out,1400 rpms. Real quiet and also has recirculating sprays. I got it at Sallys for a song. Cost me forty bucks to replace the lock assembly. Found it on CL.

Post# 862431 , Reply# 4   1/17/2016 at 20:34 (885 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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Highly recommend the Speed Queen top loader. Hot water is not dumbed down in the TL or FL. With the new digital models, you can have multiple rinses, but when using the proper amounts of detergents (and quality brands), multiple rinses are not necessary. I use near odorless detergents and softeners with great success.

Post# 862444 , Reply# 5   1/17/2016 at 21:20 (885 days old) by bourbonbarrel (Kentucky)        

How long is a typical wash cycle in the speed queen front load washer?

Post# 862464 , Reply# 6   1/18/2016 at 01:21 (884 days old) by Danmantn (Tennessee)        

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45 minutes for a good wash. As short as 24 in quick wash. With options and up to four rinses, soak, heavy soil, and pre wash, it can go up to 2 hours.

Post# 862481 , Reply# 7   1/18/2016 at 06:29 (884 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
up to four rinses

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Options to 5 rinses. 7 if the suds routine kicks in.


Post# 862484 , Reply# 8   1/18/2016 at 06:47 (884 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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My LGs all have quick 18 minute programs. An 8 minute wash in hot, warm or cold, two three minute rinses and a three minute final spin from 0 to 1400 rpms with a final 1minute fluff tumble. It also gives you abilities to increase the wash time and add rinses. I personally prefer the long cycles. My clothes get so clean the neighbors we know now all have LGs. They see and smell the hanging laundry asking why they are so nice smelling. I showed them the Gain I use and the original scent. When they saw my laundry area and all the LGs in red ,blue, white and stainless running in unison,they freaked out. Of course, the WM8000s were the most intriguing set to them. Two of them bought them at Home Depot and love the HUGE 5.5cu ft capacity in the washers. They tell me their children stare at them during use and keep the interior lights turned on. Sounds familiar. The SQs don't show any button catcher door opening. That in itself to me is a red flag. If I'm spending over $500 for ANY front loader brand new,it better have a hot,hot wash available and an accessible button catcher/lint trap. Why pay any service company to come clean out YOUR lint filter when you can be able to do it yourself free?

Post# 862497 , Reply# 9   1/18/2016 at 08:26 (884 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
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And the lower panel of the SQ comes off for easy cleaning AND service.

Post# 862503 , Reply# 10   1/18/2016 at 08:52 (884 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

2 screws are still way more work then 1 little clipped panel. If our FL pump gets blocked (rare, but with baby socks possible), it's up and running again, without any tools, in about 5 minutes.
Though, draining isn't a matter here due to the floor drain next to the machine.

Oh, and I'm realy confused by the 4 TL = 1 FL price statement. AFAIK the TLs range from 700-1000$, the FLs 1600-2000$. The prices for the TL should be right, so the FL would have to cost more then 2500$.

My opinion:
Especialy with the matter of baby related stains, I think you'd be way better of with the not-SQ train. Get something FL with a heater, for a reasonable price.
You see, either TL or FL by SQ can not do a true profile main wash. They can do pre-washes and pre-soaks, but not heat the wash water step by step.
Especially, with protein based stains, this ability could save a lot of pretreating.
Profile wash means the washer starts out at warm, turns on the heater and goes on to the selected temperature. This allows all laundry additives to work best (enzymes while warm, bleach and surfactants at hot). Combine that with a prewash and\or a super hot wash (aka Sanitize) and nothing should survive that treatment.

Post# 862508 , Reply# 11   1/18/2016 at 09:08 (884 days old) by bourbonbarrel (Kentucky)        

I measured the temperature of my water at the faucet with a thermapen and it is 139F. (I would also note that the dryer will run on electricity)

I'm not opposed to a brand other than speed queen. It gets quite a bit of discussion here. I would welcome any suggestions as I am not sure what outside of speed queen is good (Electrolux, LG, Bosch, Miele?). (laundromat in Hawaii seems to love his LG's).

Post# 862515 , Reply# 12   1/18/2016 at 09:24 (884 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Miele's quality overall is great, but you'd only get compact machines. If you have a baby, that might get tight. If you want to go full size, you'd be up with 4000$ and more.
Same for Bosch, though the quality is less there.

Electrolux, well, if your willing to spend that much, you can go SpeedQueen as well ;)

The LGs give some value. Not to expensive, features are ok, durability is ok.

I'd go with something like this:

That should last through the main laundry trouble time, offers TurboWash (recirculation system, cuts of some time and rinses; both can be readjusted), has a heater, some usefull cycles for you. And not to expensive.

Post# 862526 , Reply# 13   1/18/2016 at 10:13 (884 days old) by Brandon (Sacramento)        

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Congrats on the little one on the way! Now not to presume but if your wife is like mine you'll be amazed how quickly baby clothes seemed to multiply. Overnight even! Lol.
On the other hand my wife being budget conscious didn't want to run around & replace a new washer every five years and liked the idea of something lasting (like her parents & mine washer machine lasted 30 years). As a couple we don't like to look back on money we spent with a question mark. We buy brands with reputation for longevity & durability be it Toyota (330k miles) or kitchen items to watches. Spend well & move on. Speed Queen is smart money.
What's that saying "The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten".

Post# 862573 , Reply# 14   1/18/2016 at 13:38 (884 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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Yes, I do love,my LGs. So does Consumer Reports. They are not only highly rated but they are the most reliable brand. Eight years in a row now. Washers AND dryers. They're direct,not belt,driven and will spin clockwise OR counter, clockwise. No other brand does that. The tilted tub,fuzzy logic, twenty year motor warranty,lifetime drum warranty,and user friendly controls along with seeing the strongest seal Ive ever seen on mother board to eliminate the moisture from ruining it are a few reasons I highly recomend LG . The main reason is they get my clothes real clean and spin fast enough to truly wash and wear my clotges.

Post# 862581 , Reply# 15   1/18/2016 at 14:07 (884 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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I see 10 years on the motor on this LG at least, but I'm sure everything else you say is true, just not the only thing I have checked ;-]

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Post# 862624 , Reply# 16   1/18/2016 at 18:06 (884 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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1) Those longer warranty terms typically are applied to parts that don't have a high failure rate.

2) Will the part be available 20 years after the purchase date?

Post# 862640 , Reply# 17   1/18/2016 at 18:53 (884 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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I was just at the local full-service appliance store this past weekend (as an aside purchased a 432 SQ TL machine for my girlfriends parents). When I was there I saw an LG front load machine and they had the control module laying on top the machine to show it off. The entire main board was set into a plastic tray and there was about 3/8" of conformal potting compound encasing the entire PC board.

While this may seem to be a good idea to protect the board from moisture (something that isn't really important), what it does do a great job of is insuring that the board has zero serviceability. Even the fuse on the board was potted and impossible to replace. As a pro-electronics type person this really bothered me. Boo to LG

Post# 862641 , Reply# 18   1/18/2016 at 18:57 (884 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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Differently get the FL washer if you can, It is less than twice the cost of the great TL washer but it should easily last twice as long all while doing a far better job cleaning your clothing and with less wear and damage.


The front load washer will also save you at least $100 per year in energy and water cost to operate. The SQ FL washer could actually save you over $5000 dollars in operating costs in its over forty year possible life span, and you may be a grand parent by that time.


I almost hate to announce this now because I know you need a washer now, but by April this year the cost to SQ dealers on the FL washers is dropping by around $500 dollars so they will cost only a little more that the old fashioned crude [ hard to repair ] TL washers.


John L.

Post# 862651 , Reply# 19   1/18/2016 at 19:36 (884 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
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No doubt about it, so enjoy your peace while you can. *LOL*

While many American families with children as obviously those in Europe make due quite well with the eleven or so pound capacity of a Miele/European front loader, there is a trade off; you will be doing laundry far more often. Cycles run about an hour or a bit longer for "normal" so you can easily see how some changes may need to be made in your laundry routine. Waiting until one set day to do several loads of laundry could mean starting at morning and ending sometime in late afternoon.

Next consider front loaders are happiest washing "normal" loads (cottons, etc..) at near full capacity as it is easier for them to balance the load. Putting say three pounds of baby's laundry into a 11 or even 15 pound capacity front loader *may* cause problems. Depending upon several factors the machine may not be able to balance the load to spin quietly and without vibrations.

One great thing about top loading washers is the ability to do a true soak with laundry immersed in water. This may prove a godsend when coping with some badly stained infant/child laundry.

When it comes to electronic versus mechanical controlled front loaders, the former gets my vote every time.

Went from a mechanical timer FL to electronic controlled and the difference is night and day. Far less banging, claning and unbalanced wash loads. The machine revs up to spin quietly, and if it senses the load isn't properly balanced will take corrective action on its own.

Post# 862844 , Reply# 20   1/19/2016 at 12:39 (883 days old) by mr_b (San Diego, CA)        
Get the Speed Queen Front Load Washer, Period.

I bought a Speed Queen front load washer because it is the same washer used in Laundromats and hotels but for home use meaning no coin box and more cycle selection. It comes with a 5 year warranty vs. 1 year for most other brands which includes LG. The ten year motor only warranty that a lot of other brands offer is a marketing ploy since most failures are bearings, electronics, drum spider arms and seals. The Speed Queen is rated for 10,250 loads where as most other brands are only rated for under 2500 loads. It does not hold more laundry and in fact is smaller than the latest crop of font load washers available but it more than large enough for my needs at 3.42 cubic feet and/or 22 lbs. of laundry. Having used it for about 10 months now I am very pleased with the results. I like that the Speed Queen is basic and simple and cleans very well with straight forward selections of water temperature and load types. It also includes the ability to add an extra rinse cycles and longer wash time to the wash cycle if desired. I like that it has a pre wash and soak cycle. I also like the heavy duty build quality of the bearing assembly and the no nonsense approach to doing laundry. The machine runs quiet with little to no vibration during the spin cycle and the cloths come out well rung reducing the dry time from my previous washer. A typical heavy duty wash cycle can be done in 45 minutes. In addition this machine weighs substantially more than all the washers I looked at from other manufactures. It is an excellent machine. I high recommend this washer.

Post# 862846 , Reply# 21   1/19/2016 at 12:42 (883 days old) by bourbonbarrel (Kentucky)        


I don't follow your comments in your post. The front load speed queen is almost twice the cost of the top load where I live.

Post# 862935 , Reply# 22   1/19/2016 at 19:41 (883 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
SQ Washer Prices Etc.

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We currently sell the AWN432-3 for $819 including delivery and installation.


The AFN50R is $1556 currently but will drop to $1397 in the next month or so.


So yes the FL washer is almost twice as much initially, but with savings of over $100 a year in operating costs and a life span that is twice as long as their TL washers the higher initial cost may be the best investment you will make in an appliance.

Post# 862953 , Reply# 23   1/19/2016 at 21:00 (883 days old) by bourbonbarrel (Kentucky)        


I follow you. I was comparing the electronic front load washer & dryer vs the electronic top load washer & dryer.

Post# 865781 , Reply# 24   2/6/2016 at 07:46 (865 days old) by fordiesel69 (PA)        

A little caution I thought would be worth mentioning. I like my hot water as hot as the tank will go. When you have a baby, this has to end, if you like hot water as I do, you will want to install anti scald valves in the bathroom fixtures. Accidents happen and too hot of water can kill!

On the flipside, unless washing cloth diapers, I see no reason to have a washer that get up to a super high wash temp. Hot water is probably fine.

Post# 865786 , Reply# 25   2/6/2016 at 08:17 (865 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

The last washer and dryer set I had was Maytag. It was an excellent set that was actually one of the last made with the Maytag design that lasted for so many years. I gave those to a friend who needed them and bought a new LG made set of front loading Kenmore's. The reason I bought them was because I had been taking king size comforters to the local laundromat and with these machines I would be able to do them at home. I did that coming up on 2 years ago. I have had EXCELLENT results from them so far. They hold a HUGE load of clothes, use a minimum of water, heat the water to sanitize the load and wash everything at least as well or better than ANY machine I have EVER used. In addition, I have absolutely no wear to my clothing and towels, virtually no linting at all and they spin the clothing out almost dry when I put them in the dryer. So it cuts way down on drying time too. I have NEVER had a front load washer in my home before and up to that point did not like the idea at all. This has completely changed my mind on front load machines. The machines I have now are the best I have EVER used before. The washer does take longer to do a load of clothes on "steam treat", but I feel it is worth the extra time knowing they are as clean as they can possibly be. The washer will also rinse up to 3 extra rinses, if you worry about not getting all the soap residue out. I really could not be happier with these machines. Most of the new front load machines are pretty good and if you find something
on sale, that is what I would get if cost is an issue. It is true that IF you insist on having an old school top load washing machine, speed queen is one of, if not the only one, that makes one. As far as how long one will last, I think it depends on how it is used and cared for, like anything. But compared to all the things a new front load machine will do, it is like buying something that is antiquated and old by comparison. Back in the 50's, 60's and 70's, top load machines did a better job of washing clothes. Those days are over now with the new innovations that are incorporated into front load machines. Top load machines just cannot compare and use a great deal more water to do the same job, just not as well. In addition, the new HE top load machines try to use the same amount of water as a front load machine, which is virtually impossible because they were not designed to do that. You end up with very twisted and tangled clothes that are not cleaned or rinsed well and a LOT of wear and tear, along with linting of your clothing. There are also quite a few reports of malfunctions of these machines that go out of balance and literally break themselves and things around them apart. Look it up on youtube under "exploding washing machine". Those are all the reasons I did not replace my Maytag set with another top load set.

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Post# 865866 , Reply# 26   2/6/2016 at 19:22 (865 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Ask the man who owns one

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And you'll get it straight from the horse's mouth.........instead of the other end.

Be aware.........millions of families have washed diapers in Maytags, Kelvinators, Whirlpools, GE, etc back in the day and NONE of them heated the water for a "sanitary" wash. And so far as I know, no one was hauling junior to the emergency room for e coli infection or anything else for that matter.
Sanitizing your "laundry" is merely marketing hyperbole at it's finest. This is what happens when companies employee too many loons with MBA in marketing instead of a degree in common sense. And sad to say, a lot of dummies have fallen for that gimmick.

I happen to own a Speed Queen TL. Crude as it may be, it does what I need it to do. I cleans the darn laundry. Without all the hoopla, bells, whistles, beeps, tones, and other nonsense. It never needs rebooted, power cycled, or anything. I plug it in and it works. Period. I don't need to "clean" it with washing machine cleaner because a hot wash is as hot as my union made Bradford-White WH puts out.
Being all mechanical, I can replace the components myself, thus saving money in part cost and labor. I can get a belt for it down at the auto parts store.

And it uses water. I happen to be one of the dumbasses that still believes, in spite of propaganda to the contrary, that you do need water to clean your laundry. I've never gone bankrupt or shorted myself paying my H2O bill month by month. And I have clean laundry.

FWIW, my dad has over the last few months become a laundry center with HIS Speed Queen. Seems some friends have had issues with their Tier3 or 4 DOE certified machines and they have taken to coming over to use HIS crude, water guzzling Speed Queen. All remark how much cleaner their laundry is AND how much more quickly his machine does the job.

So there you have it. It is only my opinion, no more no less. Take it for what it is worth.

Post# 865867 , Reply# 27   2/6/2016 at 19:29 (865 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio))        
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what the hell does a sq washer have to do w/ a baby ? & hot water. ya want true hot water get a SPEED QUEEN

Post# 865877 , Reply# 28   2/6/2016 at 21:14 (865 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

To each his own I guess. I have entered the 21st century with a new front load washer that works better than anything I have ever had before. Yes, I have had and used many speed queen washers as well as worked on them in the past. Don't think that much of the speed queen machines of today. They are too much like the machines made in the 80's, which weren't much. As I have already stated, my LG made washer holds more, washes it better and does it all with less water and virtually no wear and tear of beating agitator blades and no linting at all. Soon the government regulations are going to make it impossible for speed queen to keep making a machine that has to use a full tub of water to do the same thing one that uses much less does. Then I bet it will be difficult to get parts for those speed queen machines.

Post# 866034 , Reply# 29   2/7/2016 at 20:30 (864 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio))        
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bill in # 26 hit the nail on the head ! also American made and DAMN proud I bought a set

Post# 937729 , Reply# 30   5/11/2017 at 10:11 (405 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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What are the actual temps of speed queen FL machines?

I can't find this info on their site or here.

One poster says if you want hot water buy a SQ, but what is "hot" water?

Wife is a full time groomer, that comes back every day with contaminated towels.
To clean my daily load of animal soiled towels without beach I need to get to and hold 140F or more for at least 10-15 minutes.

My 220V Miele 1215 does that with ease on " hot" - with two setting above that left over.
The Miele PW6065 also does that, but Id rather spend 2K than 4K on a secondary set of machines

10250 loads seems light in terms of lifespan.
If that really all its expected to go then, Im having a hard time buying the commercial hype surrounding this unit, and cheaper "disposable" asian units may be the way to go.

For comparison I hit 10,246 in 12 years with my Miele 1215 including a few repairs along the way, but I'm expecting at least another 5K cycles out of it if not more.

Help me out guys, and thanks!

Uncle Dave

Post# 937735 , Reply# 31   5/11/2017 at 10:48 (405 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Speed Queen doesn't use a temp control dubbed down temps yet that we know of....

but the usual, select hot, and you get in what comes out of your tap....

but your not going to get 140 degree hot water if your water heater is set at anything lower...I lucked out as mine it set at 180, even dubbed down, its still a hot wash.....

what you may find an issue with is the warm setting, not exactly a 50/50 mix, more like 70/30.....but to fix that, I drilled out the hot side of the valve to equal the cold side....

where did you find the load span number from?.....SQ are usually good for around 25000 loads or more

Post# 937846 , Reply# 32   5/11/2017 at 19:38 (405 days old) by UncleDave (California)        

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Got it thanks.


That isn't going to work in my situation.

Even if I had my water heater at 180 and paid to keep it there 24x7x365, the water is going to lose temp through the hose on its way and lose a bunch more as soon as it hits the cool stainless then keep dropping as time goes on.

That approach also would prematurely degrade my microfiber towels used especially for this application
180 is too high for microfibers and will damage them a bit each wash whereas as 60C/ 140 raised slowly from 70 or so sees them quite clean and so far long lasting in that the first batch is 5 years old and still going strong.

I have to have 100% confidence in my machines sustained heat performance because I'm running back to back household loads, with towels that contain animal dander, bits of caked on animal fecal matter, urine, oozing eyes, and open sores in the same machines.

Its like working a load of diapers in every day.

I need to insure it stays at 140 or better for the 15 minutes plus it takes to really zap the nasties without resorting to bleach which the door seals and material doesn't like and I'd have to use it every day creating a whole other set of deliverables to the laundry room vs. simply pressing the "hot" button.

In my personal situation which absolutely does not fit all the Miele still reigns supreme machine

Uncle Dave

Post# 937849 , Reply# 33   5/11/2017 at 19:56 (405 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

As an owner of a year-old TL Speed Queen, I can highly recommend it. Excellent washer, and cycles are quick. I can get a several loads washed and dried and put up and have time left over for other things I want to do. No regrets. All American made too.

Post# 937851 , Reply# 34   5/11/2017 at 19:57 (405 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Also you cannot beat the warranties.

Post# 937917 , Reply# 35   5/12/2017 at 05:39 (404 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
All I can say . . .

. . . is that I brought home a SQ FL from the Beltsville Wash-In in August, and I am very pleased with it. Clean clothes and quiet operation.

Jerry Gay

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