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Post# 862516   1/18/2016 at 09:32 (823 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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In Laundry:


What year was the 3 belt drive for Westinghouse Washers implemented in a model?




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Post# 862520 , Reply# 1   1/18/2016 at 09:45 (823 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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Am I the 5th caller?  Do I win?   LOL


Was it 1959?

Post# 862521 , Reply# 2   1/18/2016 at 09:46 (823 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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OMG !!!

This should be great !!!

Post# 862531 , Reply# 3   1/18/2016 at 10:37 (823 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)        

1958 perhaps?

Post# 862545 , Reply# 4   1/18/2016 at 11:34 (823 days old) by programcomputer (Ann Arbor Michigan, USA)        
The answer is...

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1955 With the introduction of the "space save" 25 Laundromat.....

Post# 862551 , Reply# 5   1/18/2016 at 11:52 (823 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

the spacemate machines?

Post# 862555 , Reply# 6   1/18/2016 at 12:33 (823 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Post# 862559 , Reply# 7   1/18/2016 at 12:40 (822 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

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Post# 862562 , Reply# 8   1/18/2016 at 12:59 (822 days old) by programcomputer (Ann Arbor Michigan, USA)        

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I do.. and maybe anyone who has an interest in these washers. Many WANT to learn.

Will wait to see what the answer is...


Post# 862567 , Reply# 9   1/18/2016 at 13:17 (822 days old) by mwb (Missouri)        
Who Cares?

I do. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
While I rarely post, I do read every day.
And one thing I've noticed is that Bruce seems to be a very bitter person.
So Bruce, this is directed to you: why are you here?
If something is of no interest to you, perhaps you should scroll on by.
Maybe you could find another forum to troll if this isn't your cup of tea.
Just sayin' ........

Post# 862571 , Reply# 10   1/18/2016 at 13:36 (822 days old) by bendix5 (Central Point, Oregon)        

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I would say 1956 according to Johns history on the WH time line

Post# 862612 , Reply# 11   1/18/2016 at 17:14 (822 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
I care

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and it's fun to find out the answer in a few days. If you don't care, then don't post.

Post# 862620 , Reply# 12   1/18/2016 at 17:48 (822 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Post# 862628 , Reply# 13   1/18/2016 at 18:13 (822 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
The First 3 Belt Westinghouse FL Washer

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Was the LS-7 which came out in 1953, the LS-7 was a cheaper version of the full sized WH Slant Front washers of the time.


The modern 3B drive came out with the potato pulley in 1959 and continued in production through 1988, this drive system was scraped soon after Electroloux bought WCI.


The 25" wide compact [ non slant front ] automatic washes came out in 1955 and also used a version of the 3B transmission-less drive that the LS-7 used.


The information about the LS-7 came from Robert S. [ syndets2000 ] who I consider to be the foremost expert on early WH AWs.


John L.

Post# 862634 , Reply# 14   1/18/2016 at 18:35 (822 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
See ...

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Knowledge is Power !!!

Thanks for the Information. Seriously, Who Knew ?

This stuff is great.

Post# 862659 , Reply# 15   1/18/2016 at 19:58 (822 days old) by washerlover (Lake County, California: Wines With Altitude)        
Thank You Jon!

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For starting an interesting, intriguing and educational thread. Hope to see more of these in the future. I enjoy learning from the other members and am surprised whenever I see any negative comments about the subjects introduced on this very special site. Thanks again!

Post# 862662 , Reply# 16   1/18/2016 at 20:04 (822 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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this was fun.....let's see more like it.....

great thread....

Post# 862671 , Reply# 17   1/18/2016 at 20:44 (822 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I second that! ClubStumper is great fun...and educational.

Post# 862713 , Reply# 18   1/18/2016 at 22:55 (822 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes! Robert Stokes - Syndets gets it!

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1953, the LS-7. 


I couldn't believe it when I found this manual ! I never knew they made this so early !


Is that spin speed higher than the one belt model???


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Post# 862725 , Reply# 19   1/18/2016 at 23:41 (822 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

Wow! A Laundromat without a window! Is that where Maytag got the idea for the Neptune?

Post# 862739 , Reply# 20   1/19/2016 at 01:16 (822 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
I thought this was it, I was wrong again,wrong year 1955

Betty, just for fun.


Post# 862759 , Reply# 21   1/19/2016 at 05:30 (822 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Love that Westy 25 in Betty's commercial.

Do any of our members here have this model ? Looks like the predecessor to the Space Mates.

Post# 862764 , Reply# 22   1/19/2016 at 05:44 (822 days old) by maytagmike (Burlington, Vt)        

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great thread love it, bring it on. This is for Bruce when life gives you lemons make LEMONADE. Thought for the day.

Post# 862767 , Reply# 23   1/19/2016 at 05:58 (822 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

This brings to mind a question that maybe should be its own thread:

It seems to me that in the 50's and 60's many/most companies' advertising hype were based on actual mechanical differences or improvements. Today there seems to be a lot less mechanical difference underlying a lot more hype. This doesn't just apply to washers, btw.

Agree? or is this just a misperception on my part?


Post# 862787 , Reply# 24   1/19/2016 at 07:04 (822 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
First WH 25" Washer

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We have the exact machine that is in the commercial at the Museum.


It is in very good condition, unfortunately the drum is smaller so washing was not as good as the later machines with the potato pulley drive, but at least with the non-tilted tub the tangling problem was not bad. One of the major problems with the 25" machines was the water level was an inch or two onto the door glass so not only was there a greater potential for leaks but it would make quite a mess if you pushed the door release button, there was no lock.


WH redesigned their FL washer line in 1964 and all washers were the same 27" design then and you could open the door with the machine full of water, they offset the center of the tub lower that the center of the door opening, so even with a fairly high water level you could always open the door to add clothing additives etc.


We used to get occasional service calls on these newer design washers where the customer said that the tub assembly had fallen down because of this design.


John L.

Post# 862789 , Reply# 25   1/19/2016 at 07:08 (822 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

Last things first:

Jim, advertising no longer talks about anything anywhere near as specific as mechanisms. Focus groups of 90-IQers roll their eyes back in their heads. Same reason mid-90s VCRs had almost no panel controls (counter reset was a menu item on some); confused focus groups. Which are just like juries except without the oath.

Only thing cheaper than a 1953 L7 was keeping your 1950 gearbox/no boot, so I never saw one. For the new house in 57 we got a chevron door 3-belt. Handsome devil wasn't it? Must have been male, but I digress.

For the next new house in 64 we got a square front potato pulley. Mom kicked it to the curb because it was harder to unload and it kept breaking down and I wasn't there to fix it. The replacement was a Weasyhouse spiralator TL.

Post# 862795 , Reply# 26   1/19/2016 at 07:34 (822 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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good observation, the best way to differentiate and attract customers back then was through your engineering differences and they all had some unique mechanism to push as 'the best' for washing or drying or cooking or roto broiling etc.


That's why its so much fun to go back and read the patents today. Marketing must have believed that to secure customer real estate in the markets was to demonstrate just how well made how helpful their product was for the homeowner. 

I think the only place this still holds true is the automobile/ truck market today. I still hear all the latest innovations on the F-150. And sometimes I think, what is really left to improve they have been making them for so many years. 


Today washers seem to be marketed for features not durability. 

Post# 862814 , Reply# 27   1/19/2016 at 10:12 (822 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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On this side of the big pond Siemens still does it, but in a funny way.

Post# 862822 , Reply# 28   1/19/2016 at 10:37 (822 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Mail me one Louis !!


Post# 862843 , Reply# 29   1/19/2016 at 12:37 (822 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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We only get them with a Dutch control panel, so you have to pass your exam in Dutch first!

Post# 862942 , Reply# 30   1/19/2016 at 20:16 (821 days old) by miele_ge (Danbury, Connecticut)        
cute commercial Louis

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love the sexy guys talking about laundry - they would be right at home here :-)

Also, the Siemens machines are interesting not sure what they mean by "Effective odour removal with active oxygen: The sensoFresh Programme."

Is it similar to GE's sanitize with Oxy cycles on their new machines? What oxy additive are you supposed to add?

Post# 862943 , Reply# 31   1/19/2016 at 20:25 (821 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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I'll take the boys in the iSensor commercial out for a long lunch and you work on that Dutch exam Jon.


Post# 862972 , Reply# 32   1/20/2016 at 01:05 (821 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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I have no idea Alan, the manual doesn't make any sense. ;-)

Yes, Greg, take those guys for a spin. lol

Let's start with the first lesson:

Katoen: Cotton
Kreukherstellend: Permanent Press
Fijne was: Delicates
Wol: Guess what?

Post# 862999 , Reply# 33   1/20/2016 at 03:07 (821 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Wow, what a lotta flack just for a less than nice comment! I will try not to make negative comments. I just disliked those machines, along with a few others. They were not very good performers, nor did they hold up well and needed servicing a lot. I never much cared for front loaders anyway. Not enough action compared to many of the other machines of the day. For some odd reason, my favorites were the solid tub machines. The other machines I really developed a dislike for were the speed queen models after the perforated tub models came out. I worked on many of those that failed in the first few years of existence. They had lots of problems. I really kind of hated seeing speed queen finally do away with the solid tub, since they were the last ones to have them. But even those last solid tub models were very problematic too. I guess nothing can stay the same forever.

Post# 863022 , Reply# 34   1/20/2016 at 07:14 (821 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Just ordered my "Dutch Guide to Laundryism" I'll bone up tonight!


You hold on there fella-Greg! You don't get to have two laundry-boys at once  and leave me in the lurch!


Bruce no one here ever said you have to like every machine , AND no one wants to hear somebody else stomp on their joy over any machine either.  It's that simple.

Post# 863208 , Reply# 35   1/21/2016 at 04:52 (820 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

:) True, point taken.

Post# 863215 , Reply# 36   1/21/2016 at 06:32 (820 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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