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Post# 128824   5/14/2006 at 22:59 (6,548 days old) by mixfinder ()        

I had thought I adjusted to living with new appliances, in the past four years.

I have spent far too many hours here in the past week, since joining the group.

You are bad people, look what you made me do!

I just bought a Kitchenaid dishwasher model KUDS230Y2.

It will replace a Maytag, that is quiet and will clean the Chrome of a Trailer Hitch, which I installed last August.

Oh, but there's more!

Oh, you are bad people, look what you made me do!

Any body want to help me haul home a 30 inch Frigidaire Flair Range?

Of course, I will have to remove the Maytag Smooth Top Range and the Maytag Over the Range Microwave, I bought last October.

Oh, you are very bad people! Look what you made me do!

God, I need a Gasoline Powered Hand Wringer to get me through this.

What will Peter say? This is the first he will know the depth of the SECRET and that this will just be the begining.

Oh, you are very bad people, look what you made me do!

Kelly




Post# 128846 , Reply# 1   5/15/2006 at 01:16 (6,548 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
...got you over to the dark side, did we?

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Well, Kelly, that is the price you must pay for indulging the wicked passions of the flesh.
Tell you what, being a cheerful, bright Monday morning, I will remove the cause but not the symptom!
Go forth and lust even more.
The sheer look lives!

Post# 128847 , Reply# 2   5/15/2006 at 01:28 (6,548 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Deeper in Sin

 It's worse.
I had responded to two ads on Craigs. One was Stainless, one was White.

It is possible, if the images are true, that the White model may be a touch more pristine.

Oh, you are such bad people, look how far I have fallen!

I can't let it go the dump.

There is a good chance I'll have both of them for under $100.00.

If the second seller wants me to unload his machine, he's gonna have to bargain.

Oh, my God! What have I done?

Kelly

Post# 128858 , Reply# 3   5/15/2006 at 07:09 (6,548 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Poor Kelly,
Trapped like the rest of us rats in the "Appliance Twilight Zone". LOL
Bobby in Boston

Post# 128860 , Reply# 4   5/15/2006 at 07:37 (6,548 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Did anyone here tell you to get the KA and replace the Maytag? If you have a dishwasher that cleans well and rinses well, why would you replace it? We may be a bad influence, but not stupid one. So long as you know the limitations of the Flair and do not mind them, it's an OK range, maybe not as your only range, but it's OK.

Post# 128882 , Reply# 5   5/15/2006 at 10:08 (6,548 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Flair

 I have 10+ Flairs and Frigidaire 30 o/u with the regular oven on the bottom.

I have catered and baked wedding cakes with a Flair.

It is like going on a trip in a 56 Buick.

I can play a Falir, like a symphony.

I am not stupid, I just like being funny.

If I thought for one minute this site was about logic and logical thinking, I would delete my memebership.

Sorry my approach curdles the cream in you morning coffee.

You response makes me just feel a teensy cross.

I am new here, not new to vintage appliances.

Kelly

Post# 128887 , Reply# 6   5/15/2006 at 10:31 (6,548 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)        
No Crossness will be tolerated

 teensy or otherwise.
Now then, what are the craigslist items white & chrome?
clothes washers, or dishwahers?
You'll have to pardon me; I'm in a very,very,very, VERY rare
mood for instant gratification!
frontal

Post# 128888 , Reply# 7   5/15/2006 at 10:34 (6,548 days old) by mixfinder ()        
KA

 The white and chrome listings from Craigs list are identical Kitchenaid Superba dishwashers one white and one chrome.

Post# 128890 , Reply# 8   5/15/2006 at 10:38 (6,548 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)        
How Fab

 And are they <1985?

Post# 128905 , Reply# 9   5/15/2006 at 12:09 (6,548 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I have used a Flair also and I guess as long as you don't have to stand at the cooktop for some surface cooking task, the oven heat radiating through the glass doors is not objectionable. And as long as you don't have to place tall pots on the rear units and have to get stuff in and out of the oven, it's also OK. And, if you are using the ovens in the winter, the very thin insulation can allow welcome heat into the room; Summer can be a different matter.

I don't recall writing that you were new to vintage appliances, not that a 23 series KA dw actually is; in fact, I believe my postings to your threads or comments have usually been laudatory or at least in agreement. I did not know that you were playing with the facts in last night's posting. I just did not want to see the group held responsible for convincing anyone to buy a 23 series KitchenAid dishwasher.

Post# 128928 , Reply# 10   5/15/2006 at 15:15 (6,548 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Logic? Did someone use that naughty word? Here???!

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Dear Kelly,
I don't think even Samantha with his beautiful nose can call up any of that around here.
At least, not as long as I am around chattering away. Although Sam has managed to move whole threads in the vain attempt to bring order to my chaos...and Peter gone blind from my raving rants. Or was it the hair growing out of the palm of...well,
I never can remember.
I never cease to be amazed at the passions we all bring to our special steel loves.
The flairs certainly had a few, shall we say, idiosyncracies...one of which being those oven doors. On the other hand, for a group of people who otherwise think nothing of cutting holes in lids, fitting heavy glass and other aids to viewing, cause we "like to watch" they are ideal.
Nothing like them for watching your souflé go poof!
O ye gods and little fishes, how boring my life would be without all of you...
Oh, a side note on flairs, not that I would want to talk about a vintage appliance or anything: We had one in our school (local merchant donation) which had the little black outlet wired up wrong. It shocked our home-ec teacher, and we got the whole afternoon off.
Since then, I have ever plugged anything into a range outlet.

Post# 128944 , Reply# 11   5/15/2006 at 18:29 (6,548 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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If you've had that many Flair ranges,then you know how HEAVY they are! Better get a couple of people to help ya out.....8^)

kennyGF

Post# 129588 , Reply# 12   5/18/2006 at 10:15 (6,545 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Oh my that's different. Well never mind!

 After getting the two dishwashers home, the model number in the Craigs post was not correct.

It was the Craigs number I used to write the posting.

I hit launch after reading the word stupid and seemed fixated there.

After I found out the model number indicated I had bought a new KA, I realize how conflicted the posting sounded.

I have my porcelain skirt in place and should be able to act like a grown up.

I am sorry.

Kelly

Post# 129629 , Reply# 13   5/18/2006 at 13:27 (6,545 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
Kelly...

 Those Flairs were great stoves! They baked very well. Even heat in the ovens that would make a souffle stand tall and proud! The surface units are great. Lots of heat when you need it and pretty good coverage of the pan bottom too since the element was wide. I have 4 Flair's myself and am installing one in the pantry of my new home to give the new Wolf's a run for their money! Mark

Post# 129636 , Reply# 14   5/18/2006 at 14:20 (6,545 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Hey Mark, 100% agree with you. I LOVE my Flair! I have had a choice of literally hundreds of different ranges that I have found or ran across, both gas and electric, and without a doubt, the Flair was my choice for my new house, with a Tappen Visualite 40 (the same style as a Flair) running a close second. GM burners are think and heavy and long lasting and the quality of the construcion and hardware is top notch.

Post# 129640 , Reply# 15   5/18/2006 at 14:38 (6,545 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Tappen and Flair

 As it is well known, I have a weakness for Flair ranges.
I have also used the Tappen as well.
I liked the higher profile of the Flair and of course the GM badge.
My experience in baking gave the Tappen an edge in overall oven performance.
If I had the ability to change anything abnout a Flair, I would have reduced the wattage of the bake element.
The first Flairs had a chrome deflecter attached to the front of the bake element were much more prone to burn on the bottom or overbrown.
My experience with Flairs made after 1962 demonstrated they were better at carefree baking.
Kelly

Post# 129643 , Reply# 16   5/18/2006 at 15:01 (6,545 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Hi Kelly, I too have a great fondness for Flairs AND Tappans. I especially liked the cutting board that the Tappan offered on its pull out burner drawer and its ability to flip down for better access and for cleaning. I have used both Flairs and Tappans for baking and agree that the Tappan had a slight edge in its ability to bake a more uniform better looking cake. The taste seemed to be about the same. But speaking as both a user AND repair person (for many years I repaired those ranges day in day out) the Flair had the edge in quality of its hardware and controls and durability. The Tappan had those troublesome plug in burners where as the Flair's burners were hard wired in. Both could be a problem at times, but again my skinned knuckles were testiment to the repairs I have done on both, and the GM Flairs were outstanding as far as longevity is concerned..........

Post# 129650 , Reply# 17   5/18/2006 at 15:49 (6,545 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Shocking Experience

 I agree.

The Tappen I used belonged to a couple I catered for.

I tried, reaching under the burners, to clean and was just about electrocuted.

The wires were like a mess of spagheti with very little covering.

Kelly

Post# 129829 , Reply# 18   5/19/2006 at 10:44 (6,544 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
When I get moved...

 ...into the new house, I'm going to be getting rid of three of the Flairs. If anyone is interested, let me know, and I'll put your name on them. Mark


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