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Post# 863218   1/21/2016 at 06:43 (640 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Induction cooktop. They got it right !!



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Post# 863219 , Reply# 1   1/21/2016 at 06:45 (640 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
It's F A S T

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and powerful


The controls are better than I thought they'd be- very intuitive !!


You can sync burners together to grill, you can time each burner separately - although I don't  know how to do that yet LOL.

And it has a range of sizes for all kinds of pots.


Post# 863225 , Reply# 2   1/21/2016 at 07:26 (640 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
I see a

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Sunbeam egg cooker! I love the two I havesmile

Post# 863228 , Reply# 3   1/21/2016 at 07:47 (640 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Oh goodness, you got a new induction cooker? Now that's a suprise!! lol

Very impressive though, 3700 Watts on one burner, not only a very powerful burner but also inductionlike fast! In comparison an induction cooktop uses the power more efficient than any other type of burner. My burners are only 2100 Watts, but I'm still amazed by how fast things go.

And nothing better than a bit of pressure cooking on an induction stove!

I bet you're busy, studying the manual and studying dutch. I'll take both exams. ;-)

Post# 863237 , Reply# 4   1/21/2016 at 08:20 (640 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
LOL Louis!

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I had my huge p-cooker on last nite to make chicken stock. 1 large chicken, + 3/4 gallon of water came to a boil in 7 minutes on that burner ! Amazing !


Post# 863238 , Reply# 5   1/21/2016 at 08:22 (640 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Thank you/Gracias/Merci

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That was very helpful. A group of us were talking about induction cooking the other day and I admitted that I wouldn't know what to buy. Now I do.

Finally they figured out how to design the non-knobs/controls (although I still think most consumers would prefer actual knobs to virtual-ones.) Adding that griddle to the package was a very clever lagniappe (or was that already yours?).

Post# 863240 , Reply# 6   1/21/2016 at 08:26 (640 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Take a gander

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NO, Ken the griddle comes with the cooktop, nice SS clad aluminum.


Its fast ! It really heats my new Fissler Schnellbratpfanne mit deckel !! Which is "Induktionsherd geeignet"!


Louis: Its "Geschikt voor inductiefornuis !"



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Post# 863241 , Reply# 7   1/21/2016 at 08:32 (640 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
The controls

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 have several ways to access the cooktop!


Post# 863242 , Reply# 8   1/21/2016 at 08:33 (640 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Did I miss another thread, how did you decide on this one? What others did you consider?

Post# 863243 , Reply# 9   1/21/2016 at 08:34 (640 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I've been looking

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at cooktops for several years now. 


When I saw the controls that sold me.


I looked at Cook Tek , Viking, Wolf etc. But these controls are simple and intuitive.


Post# 863248 , Reply# 10   1/21/2016 at 09:27 (640 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Could you post the timer feature thingy ???

Does that turn the I.U off as well ???

Post# 863254 , Reply# 11   1/21/2016 at 10:03 (640 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Oh goodness, a Fissler! Did you hit the jackpot? lol

Beef stew please!

Post# 863261 , Reply# 12   1/21/2016 at 10:28 (640 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Love it Jon!! And the price point is astonishing, one of these is likely in my future.

I'd love to see a time to boil run on that big 3700 watt element. That likely should outperform ANYTHING in a home kitchen. Bet it would even hang with one of those 18,000 BTU pretend commercial gas burners in the poser ranges.

As a technical aside, turn your iBlab sideways when shooting videos! Video is a horizontal format, especially on the YouTube :p

Post# 863263 , Reply# 13   1/21/2016 at 10:31 (640 days old) by HooverWheelAway ()        

I've seen that "sync burner" thing somewhere before.....

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Post# 863266 , Reply# 14   1/21/2016 at 10:37 (640 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Brings Good things to Life- Fred !




I"ll make you a goulash that will whip you sidewise !

Post# 863291 , Reply# 15   1/21/2016 at 12:49 (640 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Goulash is nice. But what about an Asian beef dish like Daging Smoor?

This is a slow cooker recipe, but no problem to make it in a pressure cooker on an induction cooktop.

Post# 863339 , Reply# 16   1/21/2016 at 17:42 (640 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Does this replace your vintage Kenmore induction cooktop?

Post# 863369 , Reply# 17   1/21/2016 at 19:29 (640 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
1990 KM Induction CT By Sanyo

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Yes What happened to the KM CT, my 1987 Unit is still going strong, it has never had a single glitch.


I  got the GE 36" mirror top Monogram induction CT for Smitties new kitchen, and yes it is amazing how much faster it is compared to the old KM ICT.


I will not change mine out for a while, because I have high powered elements in my trusty old JennAir cook top next to the KM ICT anyway.


You know Jon if I get a new GE Cafe ICT I will sound insulate it so it will be much quieter than yours.

Post# 863389 , Reply# 18   1/21/2016 at 20:34 (640 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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"You know Jon if I get a new GE Cafe ICT I will sound insulate it so it will be much quieter than yours."

OMG !!!!!!!!


I gotta say "Extra Credit" on that.

Post# 863461 , Reply# 19   1/22/2016 at 08:02 (639 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Somebody Slap John for me

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my hand hurts already !


The KM cooktop will go on consulting at the Cape so it won't have to work as hard.

The heat sensors are starting to fail and so the power burner will fail in the middle of cooking. Its done 30 years of meritorious service now it can work part time in retirement.


Post# 863463 , Reply# 20   1/22/2016 at 08:08 (639 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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I wonder how John would insulate that cooktop. Put an insulation blanket on top of it? lol

Post# 864134 , Reply# 21   1/26/2016 at 07:30 (635 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes Louis

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 the "how" has crossed my mind as well.


But I do have new ideas about the 1-18 Frigidaire, so John better be trembling in his shorts!


Post# 864227 , Reply# 22   1/26/2016 at 22:39 (635 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Tonights induction

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feast-- Udon with shrimp, crab, chicken & shaved steak.



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Post# 864864 , Reply# 23   1/30/2016 at 22:34 (631 days old) by Brandon (Sacramento)        

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Nice. Something I envision on Star Trek.

Can cook faster than light!

Post# 865073 , Reply# 24   2/1/2016 at 12:38 (629 days old) by frigidareu (Brunswick, Ohio)        

Absolutely beautiful cooktop.
Does anyone know the reliability and life span of induction cooktops ?
Just wondering because I'll be in the market for a new range soon. And I think that you can only use steel cookware.

Post# 909493 , Reply# 25   12/3/2016 at 15:41 (323 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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Jetcone, I saw your video with the coils turning off when the cooling fan kicks on.

Did you get that solved? What was going on?

Post# 909555 , Reply# 26   12/4/2016 at 06:40 (322 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Love it John,

and your pho' also looks delicious.
I have used one GE induction unit back in the early 90's. It was awesome as well. Very expensive back then. It was a 36 inch "profile" model.
My friend sold that house shortly after remodeling it, so I don't know if it had any problems.
I would think, if a fan fails, it could be replaced. Under glass controls are very reliable these days. Magnetic coils last a long time.
Maybe you spend more up front, but longevity is better. Most energy efficient way to cook also.

Post# 909601 , Reply# 27   12/4/2016 at 14:04 (322 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Congratulations, Jon

When you were here at the wash in, I thought that you said that you had to use your gas cooktop all summer because of induction cooker problems, replacements and exchanges or was that the summer previous to this one?


Big question, how did you use that old pressure cooker, which I thought was all aluminum, on the induction range? My oldest Kuhn-Rikon is not induction compatible.


I found a piece of non-stick All Clad for cooking brown rice with none of the cleanup hassle of regular stainless steel.  Once the water boils, I turn the power down to 4%, set the timer for 55 minutes and forget about it until it is ready to serve.


I think it would help new induction users if, in the instruction manual,  they printed the old 5 heat electric range heat percentages: High =100%, Medium High = 1/2, Medium = 1/3 or 30%, Low = 1/7 or 14% and Simmer = 1/10 or less.  If you have a control that allows 100 settings those are easily used. If you have a 20 setting control you just convert so that half is 10, at third is 5 or 6 or 7, low is 3 or 4 and simmer is 1 or 2, depending on the quantity of food.

Post# 909617 , Reply# 28   12/4/2016 at 15:49 (322 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Jon has crossed to the European side and has a beautiful Miele Induction hob now. I'll wait for him to chime in with the full story, but the GE was a bust :)

Post# 909631 , Reply# 29   12/4/2016 at 17:37 (322 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Mystery solved. Thank you very much, Nathan.

Post# 909634 , Reply# 30   12/4/2016 at 18:38 (322 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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I guess we missed the pictures of that Miele hob?

Ducking and running!

Post# 909781 , Reply# 31   12/5/2016 at 18:18 (321 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Ah Hem .......

Post# 909815 , Reply# 32   12/5/2016 at 22:29 (321 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        


Thanks for that power table, now I understand a bit better what they were trying to do with the Electrolux free-standing range that I got.

It goes from Lo to 3 in 0.2 increments, 3-7 in 0.5 increments, 7, 8, 9, Hi and Power Boost (23 levels). It seemed weird to me, because in the tech specs they claim Lo is 3%, 3 is 10%, 5 is 21%, 6 is 38%, 7 is 45%, 8 is 54%, 9 is 64%, Hi is 100% and Power Boost is 123-133% depending on the burner.

It seems to me that they figured out most people will try to follow recipes and when the recipe says "medium" or "medium-high" people will want more or less the same heat output most ranges will provide, and whoever actually wants 2,000-3400W will simply choose Hi or PowerBoost and be done with it.

Initially I was also questioning the large increments once you pass 7 and the tiny increments under 3, but after 3 years or so with this range it seems to me that it has worked better than my friends' stovetops that have a more linear power distribution.

-- Paulo.

Post# 909838 , Reply# 33   12/6/2016 at 01:57 (321 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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The silly thing is that the power control is all done in the digital world. The programmers could easily skew the software a bit to allow the user interface to represent the power levels in a more expected fashion. The way you describe this non-linear relationship would be poor affordance of design in my mind.

Post# 909869 , Reply# 34   12/6/2016 at 09:15 (320 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
I used induction in Germany

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My last years there and loved it. Had a little hob to run the one or two pots which didn't work with induction. The best part of induction is that it takes you back to the days of cooking with gas. Instant high heat. There when you need it and gone just as quickly when you don't.

Induction cooktops are also the only ones I've ever used with sensors that actually work well in the low (milk sauces) range. Congratulations!

Post# 909923 , Reply# 35   12/6/2016 at 15:33 (320 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        


Maybe I did not express myself properly. I'll try again.

From the user's perspective, there's a pad (On/Off) to flip the power to the burner, then a LED with two characters, and three pads: Hi/+, Med, Lo/-. You turn on the burner, and press either of the 3 pads and you are taken straight to PowerBoost (Pb), Med (5) or Lo. After that first press, Med continues to take you to 5 at all times, but the other two pads become + or - to raise or lower the power.

If you cycle thru the power, what you see is Lo, 1.2, 1.4, 1.6... until your reach 3.0, then 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 etc until you reach 7, then if you press + you see 8, 9 or Hi.

It's more or less like a rotary knob on a standard electric burner, except that you use +/- to go up and down and you see the numbers on the display.

Behind the scenes, it does what you suggested, which is, the controller offers more gradations on the lower power range than on the top. It seems to work relatively well, I rarely miss an intermediate step between 7 and Hi, and I always find a convenient setting to keep food just at the melting point of butter or chocolate, for example, without burning. It's easy to bring a pressure cooker to operating pressure/temp and then find a setting that keeps it there without cycling up/down.

What I did not know is why they did not make the power linear with the numbers instead of the strange curve they picked. If they are trying to behave more or less like the old 5 step burners for people following recipes, it kinda makes some sense. Also, I had no idea the power curve is what it is until I looked at the tech sheets.

For what's worth, I never actually measured the power in a burner with infinite heat knob. For all I know, they cycle linearly (7 is 70% of the time on) but the effective power might be 50% like Tom says Med-Hi should be, I dunno?

In any case, yes, I agree with you the affordances are suboptimal, a knob or a control more like what Jon showed here from the Café is better.

Post# 910772 , Reply# 36   12/12/2016 at 13:13 (314 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Immer Besser.

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