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Post# 863614   1/23/2016 at 05:35 (818 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        

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So last night we're doing dishes after dinner and as I am rearranging things in the dishwasher (the KDS20) I notice my partner starting to load 17.  I asked "what are you doing?" and he replied "that one is full, I was putting the rest of the stuff in here" as he points to the KDS17.


I said, "Oh No, we're not close to being full.  Bring that stuff over here"  He said, "are you going to do another one of those, what do you call them, Barb load".  I said, "Well maybe you are correct I don't really it's a Bob Load" :)


I thought I'd post it.  He was sure I would have some rejects but in my opinion the 20 still is the best.


Picture 6:  The pan I fix the dog's dinner in.  I bake chicken thighs a few at a time for her.  I didn't spray it with Pam as I want to see how it came out.  She won't eat them boiled.  Yeah, I know.  I created that monster.  but she is just so darn cute.

Picture 7: The obligatory Wait, Wait, Wait for the water to Heat.  This was the Soak n' Scrub cycle so it heats the water each time it pauses on that first Scrub sequence.  I love that about this machine.

Picture 10: Joli's chicken pan perfectly clean.




DISCLAIMER for Eddie - I've never had the pleasure of using an 18 but I'd sure like to get my hands on one someday.  Maybe my opinion will change.  I still have to be careful with the 20 or I could have some yibbles left over in the top rack.  Nothing take the place of that constant rinse.

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Post# 863624 , Reply# 1   1/23/2016 at 07:30 (818 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Great job!! I would LOVE to find a machine like yours. Ive wanted one since they were new.

Post# 863643 , Reply# 2   1/23/2016 at 10:38 (818 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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DISCLAIMER for Eddie - I've never had the pleasure of using an 18 but I'd sure like to get my hands on one someday.  Maybe my opinion will change.  I still have to be careful with the 20 or I could have some yibbles left over in the top rack.  Nothing take the place of that constant rinse.



Ahhhhhh !!!  The KDS-20 Yibble Legacy.


The 20 is a GREAT Cleaner. No doubt ever about it. But without that Constant Rinse... Yibbles will abound. Secretly, Discreetly, and Stealthily.


While it has not started to snow here yet (11:27 AM ) todays project is to get one of the 18 Portables into the kitchen running.


Hard to believe this little Spray Arm makes the difference.



Post# 863664 , Reply# 3   1/23/2016 at 12:00 (818 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Ralph, BobLoad certification definitely bestowed!!!

Post# 863736 , Reply# 4   1/23/2016 at 20:39 (818 days old) by stevet (palm coast florida)        
Yibbles,yibbles, yibbles!

Ralph and Eddie, you make me feel guilty about having a KDS-18 in a KDS20 tank! Honestly, we used that machine for years and it was never really as bad as you all make it seem as far as yibbles go. And my wife does a good job of scraping the dishes before she puts them in and I am the one who would put the pots and pans in,which she never does!
It does have the "slit" in the manifold for the upper wash arm which helps and I have to say that the Hobart designed single wash arm upgrade really out-washed the 4 way Hydrosweep by a significant margin. It throws the water up higher than the 4 way and I have had cups and bowls turn over in the top rack that did not do it before I changed the arm.
The 20 does take the cake with the preheating of the water which the 18 lacked but if you do a rinse and hold to temper the tank and dishes it can make a significant difference too.
But no Mea Culpa from me at this point. LOL

Post# 863768 , Reply# 5   1/24/2016 at 06:16 (817 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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You should know by now that we all expect "Perfection" and "Constant Stellar Results".  LOL.


Although I don't have a life, one of the Pinnacles of my day are when I open any of my machines and there are no "bits" on top of anything concave in the upper rack. LOL.


I have been "Yibbleless" with the Reverse Rack (AHEM...) due to that Magnificent Full Size Upper Wash Arm.


And KenWhirl stands by his man too with that Baby Spritzer on the top of the Chamber.


I have yet to have a Yibble with an 18.  That's all I'm saying. I remember seeing that 18 in the 20 tank which really makes it a 20 (LOL) and the modified Wash Arm.


And Dan just mentioned recently in a conversation how you sent him that "Turbo Wash Arm" a few years back.


But just like finding a All Stock 1970 Super Sport Chevelle with all the Original Factory Accessories like the Cowl Induction and the 396 engine, the performance was stellar without having to tweak it. (And what I would give to find a Chevelle like that these days)  Sigh...


Post# 863777 , Reply# 6   1/24/2016 at 07:05 (817 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
All those Yibbles!!!

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I'm sure I have to take the heat for some of those Yibbles because I forget the slit is there and I likely block it more times than not.  However, I do think the rinse from above is more effective.  I suspect they did away with it because it was getting jammed and knocked off when people loaded the rack with something sticking up.  Too bad it couldn't have been indented in the top like some machines.


I would love to have one of those turbo arms Steve to try out.  The last time I saw one on eBay it was going for something like $500 for the kit.  If I had the extra cash lying around I might spring for one but $500 is a lot of kitchen gadgets that might get left behind.  And, I know this might sound crazy but, to me, it's not a Kitchen Aid if you look in the bottom and see something other than the Big Blue or the 4 Way Hydrosweep.  Although, I have to say it would be something to open the 20 and see things turned upside down in the top rack. 

Post# 863780 , Reply# 7   1/24/2016 at 07:19 (817 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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would that Hobart wash arm fit my 23?  Just curious.  I'd like to see what it looks like.

Post# 863827 , Reply# 8   1/24/2016 at 13:00 (817 days old) by stevet (palm coast florida)        
Hobart "Turbowash" arm

Here is a picture of the wash arm under discussion in the KDS-18.I have a 23 series in the garage and there is no way to adapt it to that machine as it has the WP PowerWash pimp, but I will check and see if you can't change the top portion and go with the WP lightning bolt arm instead and achieve the same effect.

I took the 4way Hydrosweep out of my KUDP02RIWH1 tall tub and replaced it with the Lightning bolt arm from a Kenmore tall tub and it cleans way better than the KA arm and is quieter. It really gets the silverware better and the corners or the rack since it has the 2 nozzles at the end of the arms to spray water into the door cavity to clean the silverware (or should I say to direct food particles to the coarse strainer)when used with a WP with the basket on the door.

BTW, the newest version of these arms do not have the cleanout plugs on the ends. They turned out to be a disadvantage for customers as they would lose them and then wonder why the dishes were not clean! But these plugs are still available and usually last many years in domestic use.

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Post# 863896 , Reply# 9   1/24/2016 at 20:19 (817 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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I'm with you. Taking the HydroSweep out would be like replacing a 350 GM Short Block with a Ford 351. Just not the same or original.


The Noise is all the fun of a Vintage Machine.  That Reverse Rack Roars when first starting up as the pump primes.


Steve... Is that the same Wash Arm or close to it that they use in the LX series Hobarts ? And didn't Whirlpool modify the HydroSweep ?  I recall looking at some of the WP H.Sweeps and it appears they made the Jets/Nozzles smaller not to mention they added all that girth and what??? part of the filter or something.  Anyway, they look weird after Hobart dumped the KA line.


Bad Hobart. Abandoning the KitchenAid.  It still makes me ill when I think about the WP acquisition.

Post# 863940 , Reply# 10   1/25/2016 at 04:58 (816 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
I wonder.

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What the Kitchen Aid machines would look like today if Hobart hadn't abandoned them.  Can you imagine a machine built today with the level of quality they built into them years ago.


It's like that commercial for  POOF!  Mind blowing.  :)


Steve, are those kits really around $500 or was that just a really greedy eBay seller looking to make some quick cash?

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