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Post# 866389   2/9/2016 at 17:15 (2,997 days old) by Travis ()        

A friend of mine let me know about this poor old fridge listed on ebay.  It's a 1931-32 model.  The unit was rebuilt in 1942.  It's not running at the moment.  At first look, there are many dirty contacts.  I am crossing my fingers since I don't need and scrap metal in my living room.


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Post# 866400 , Reply# 1   2/9/2016 at 18:36 (2,997 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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The one I had was an earlier version with the upright control box, and it didn't have that nice nickel trim all around.  Evaporators were the round-inside porcelain type.

 

Travis, that was a worthy save, and I know what a beast that thing must have been to move, even if you did it in two parts.

 

I hope your suspicions about filthy contacts are correct.


Post# 866408 , Reply# 2   2/9/2016 at 19:13 (2,997 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)        

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They really had the right idea back then, about how to efficiently refrigerate foods. And building them in two pieces means is much easier to move.

Heat rises, cool air falls, and back then they respected that science, instead of fighting reality, as they have been doing since they started sticking the evaporator coil UNDER the frig., back in the 1960s.

I'm not a fan of the look of having this large round structure on the top of the frig, but the genius was, not only was it air cooling the evaporator coils, the air flowed around the compressor as well. No energy wasting and noise creating fan necessary. If they could create a low profile version for modern frigs, that would be awesome.

This frig looks to be in pretty good shape. I hope the gaskets are good and all the racks are there.


Post# 866410 , Reply# 3   2/9/2016 at 19:24 (2,997 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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What a beast! Great save, Travis!


Post# 866413 , Reply# 4   2/9/2016 at 20:11 (2,997 days old) by Travis ()        
Thanks guys!

Ralph, 

 

You had the type A or C control.  I like those best.  That's what I have in the kitchen.  It makes a satisfying klunk when it starts.

 

Kenny and Delaney,

 

Yes, it was a beast.  The cabinet is about 350 with doors.  We removed the doors to reduce weight and reduce chance or porcelain damage.  The unit weighs 260 uncrated, probably 300 crated.  I will be one sad person if it won't run.  It was rebuilt in 1942, so it's "new" for that series!


Post# 866418 , Reply# 5   2/9/2016 at 21:22 (2,997 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Nice save. That is some serious iron!!

Post# 866445 , Reply# 6   2/10/2016 at 08:21 (2,996 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Nice Monitor Top, Travis!!

 

If it helps, in my struggle to make the '56 LW11 run again, I inadvertently learned that some of the Monitor Top compressors had a weird wiring arrangement with an auxiliary winding used to power a condenser fan motor.   But they didn't have a resistor like the later GE Combinations.   The person who would know for sure is Hans Hansen II - you may recall he had a bunch of vintage appliances for sale which ultimately went up for auction in November of 2014.  His company used to be called Appliances Unlimited in Queensbury, New York.   He's a big GE Monitor Top fan, so he may be able to help if you need him.  


Post# 866452 , Reply# 7   2/10/2016 at 10:18 (2,996 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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That's a beautiful GE, Travis.  Hope you don't have too much trouble getting it going again.   Brilliant transport and winch/lift arrangement as well, makes your move almost effortless.  Jon has told of three or four people needed to lift his off of the cabinet for service. 

 

I would love an all-porcelain monitor-top someday but they don't show up very often and when they do, sellers seem to think they've been cast of solid gold ;-)


Post# 866464 , Reply# 8   2/10/2016 at 11:41 (2,996 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Very nice GE! Some good points were made about the "works" on the top. I was thinking no more crawling around to vacuum the pet hair out of those pesky coils. HVAC filters should be made out of evaporator coils and China cabinet glass, darn things are magnetic for dust and pet dander. It really is not a chore to vacuum the coils. I am always afraid I will break the tabs off the chintzy toe kick panel.

Post# 866520 , Reply# 9   2/10/2016 at 16:58 (2,996 days old) by Travis ()        
Thanks for the compliments

I got lucky with this one.  The owners wanted it to go to a good home.  It was most likely the original electric refrigerator for that 1910 home.  There's no set value of these things, but the porcelain cabinets and the larger models are more rare.  This was likely a $1000 refrigerator in about 1930.  The larger units tend to have had a higher failure rate.  I have guessed that the larger models were also less likely to find a second home.  They're an absolute bear to move.  If someone offered one in 1950, I would think many would have said no.  They would have been dated and still terrible to move.

 

I think Jon has a CK30, which is the largest single door model they made in the mid 1930's.  CK's are almost bullet-proof.  This is a DR, the oldest type.  They're full of quirks.  This one had the tall control that Ralph mentioned.  It must have lost that during the 1942 rebuild.

 

What I found last night was numerous dirty contacts.  The control has metal tabs that sit on these copper spring terminals.  I also found a couple loose screws to these copper terminals.  I can't tell yet if the compressor is locked up.  I did measure the motor leads and that checked out.  I am interested to see how well these newer evaporators work. 

 

I am borrowing an ultrasonic cleaner to clean up all the little parts.  I haven't decided how much I should disassemble the control.  I might forget how it goes back together.


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Post# 866533 , Reply# 10   2/10/2016 at 17:57 (2,996 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
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How about the rest of your house and its renovation?  Haven't seen any photos recently of your kitchen - how is that room coming along?  I thought about your kitchen when I saw all the photos from the 'Magic Chef' mansion.

 

lawrence


Post# 866535 , Reply# 11   2/10/2016 at 18:05 (2,996 days old) by Travis ()        

It's delayed until I stop getting sidetracked with other projects.  I did go ahead and buy a new stove.  This is in much better shape than the one I have. 


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Post# 866539 , Reply# 12   2/10/2016 at 18:53 (2,996 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Travis!

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That model MC is one of my all time favorite stoves!  It will be right at home in your kitchen.

 

I must say that those later evaporators appear to be far more useful than the early porcelain ones.


Post# 866541 , Reply# 13   2/10/2016 at 19:09 (2,996 days old) by Travis ()        

Ralph,

 

Yes, I have another MC 1000, but it needs more work.  I happened to see this other one on ebay and accidentally won it.  It was in use at a house that's being renovated now.  It's coming straight into the kitchen and getting installed.  I haven't had a stove in almost two years.

 

Here's the slightly older MT in the kitchen with the round evaporators.  I have some of the freezing blocks that make the bottom of the opening flat.  It's a 5 lb block of porcelain covered iron.


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Post# 867645 , Reply# 14   2/17/2016 at 18:01 (2,989 days old) by Travis ()        
Finally success!

I did finally get it running.  There's a slight grounding issue between the three compressor leads and the frame.  On about the 15th try to start it, it broke free and ran fine.  I still need to clean all the contacts and put the control back on it.  I doubt it will stall again.  I just think that it's been unused for a very long time and wasn't happy to be woken up.


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Post# 867658 , Reply# 15   2/17/2016 at 19:23 (2,989 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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It had been given up for dead, but you knew better Travis!

 

Now that it's awake, I'm betting it's happy to be alive and well!


Post# 867755 , Reply# 16   2/18/2016 at 16:13 (2,988 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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It knew better than to try and cross you up!


Post# 867953 , Reply# 17   2/19/2016 at 20:41 (2,987 days old) by Travis ()        
I almost gave up

Last night I finally had both the cleaning solutions for the ultrasonic cleaner and the new basket.  I have no patience so I partly disassembled the control and gave it a bath.  I also had a couple similar controls, so I used the best parts in this one.  I wired it up at about 3 am.  I was pleasantly surprised when my lights didn't go out when I turned it on.  I just ordered gasket materials.  I can't properly run the unit as an air conditioner for the house. 

 

Considering that this was in the basement of a mansion, I would suspect it hadn't been used for the past fifty years.  Now I have to make a proper place for another 650 lb fridge.  It's not going in my basement or the garage.


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Post# 867964 , Reply# 18   2/19/2016 at 23:10 (2,987 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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What a great post!  Those evaporators couldn't be frosting over more evenly!


Post# 868488 , Reply# 19   2/23/2016 at 00:52 (2,984 days old) by Travis ()        

I finally learned how to use youtube.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Travis's LINK


Post# 868501 , Reply# 20   2/23/2016 at 02:36 (2,984 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
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I love your new adopted MT. And your stove.
I'm curious to know how you cleaned the contacts and what with!
Are you setting up 30s style kitchen?


Post# 868503 , Reply# 21   2/23/2016 at 02:55 (2,984 days old) by Travis ()        

Stan,

I partially disassembled the control and used an ultrasonic cleaner. I used both a oxide remover solution followed by a second metal cleaning solution. It's hard to say exactly what was the problem. There were numerous bad connections of the eight wires that go to the control. There was also plenty of corrosion on the contacts of the control. Now it starts right up without hesitation. Since I can't keep removing the control and bending the bellows tube that senses the temperature, I felt that I needed to do this right and completely.

I am working towards a 1930's kitchen. My house was built in 1931.


Post# 868716 , Reply# 22   2/23/2016 at 22:13 (2,983 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
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I'd like to see pics of it when your finished!
I have a 30s kitchen, but I didn't have to work too hard to get it that way...house was built in 1934, and was relatively un molested when I got here (years ago)
I'm so use to being in a old house with all its quirks, squeaks, drafts, that when I'm in new or newer houses I feel kinda uncomfortable.
Had to house sit for someone with a nice new house once.. I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone! I Didn't know how to work anything LOL


Post# 868964 , Reply# 23   2/25/2016 at 06:08 (2,982 days old) by eronie (Flushing Michigan)        
Travis

Good job on your video, however if you hold your phone sideways the picture will fill the whole screen.
Sure is gurgling quite loud. What kind of gas is in these?


Post# 868990 , Reply# 24   2/25/2016 at 09:05 (2,981 days old) by Travis ()        

so2


Post# 868998 , Reply# 25   2/25/2016 at 09:41 (2,981 days old) by eronie (Flushing Michigan)        

Never herd of so2. Is it poisonous?

Post# 869004 , Reply# 26   2/25/2016 at 10:14 (2,981 days old) by Travis ()        

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Post# 869005 , Reply# 27   2/25/2016 at 10:17 (2,981 days old) by Travis ()        

Yes, SO2 is poisoness. Most of the monitor tops use it. It won't hurt you if you don't let it out. It smells so bad that if there was a leak you would leave on your own. It's not like it can creep up on you.

Post# 869019 , Reply# 28   2/25/2016 at 11:26 (2,981 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Sulfur dioxide - nasty smelling. I am not a real vintage appliance fan - this far back, but honestly this one caught my eye. I'm so glad you had good luck getting this to work. This thing reminds me of something out of Flash Gordon comics/movies(just my imagination over-reacting)but it's a good thing. It's one of the nicer looking monitor tops, imho.

Will it be quieter when running? I actually like the drama in noise, but I'm not sure it would "wear" well, longterm. 300lbs!? There are motorized dollies, at least!

Way to go!


Post# 869047 , Reply# 29   2/25/2016 at 13:40 (2,981 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I think the audio was much more amplified in the video and so the gurgling of the evaporator and the whirring of the compressor were both exaggerated.

 

I've never met a monitor top that wasn't nearly silent while it ran.  This old boy was asleep for decades so is entitled to be a little cranky and do some groaning before hitting its stride and operating flawlessly for decades to come.  With the cooling unit in place and doors closed, you wouldn't hear much of anything.


Post# 869055 , Reply# 30   2/25/2016 at 13:49 (2,981 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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It would be a better scenario, audio-wise. Ok, then, but I enjoyed the drama of the video. :-)

Post# 869071 , Reply# 31   2/25/2016 at 15:45 (2,981 days old) by Travis ()        

Right now it's 300 pounds sitting in a crate on a furniture dolly sitting on a hardwood floor. As Ralph said, it will be much quieter when the unit is on the cabinet and the cabinet is closed. It seems to run better every time that I turn it on. It's now gotten a bit of exercise.

It makes plenty of noise inside as you hear the refrigerant flow through the evaporators. I figure that's similar to the splashing drama of a washing machine or dishwasher.



Post# 880390 , Reply# 32   5/11/2016 at 20:18 (2,905 days old) by Travis ()        
I was bad again

This little monitor top was on the third floor of a large old house.  I think it survived because it was too much work to remove.  I'll try to test it tomorrow.  It was cheap, I couldn't say no.


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Post# 880473 , Reply# 33   5/12/2016 at 16:36 (2,904 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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It would appear that you have started a home for wayward Monitors....


Post# 880478 , Reply# 34   5/12/2016 at 17:22 (2,904 days old) by Travis ()        
Yes

Kenny, I need more space


Post# 880488 , Reply# 35   5/12/2016 at 18:28 (2,904 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Saving The Classics . . .

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I'd go on to say, "one monitor top at a time," but I know that would be an understatement.

 

I hope you can get this little one running.  MT's in that size are much easier to find homes for.


Post# 880490 , Reply# 36   5/12/2016 at 18:58 (2,904 days old) by Travis ()        

The little one runs fine.  I don't think it had been run since I was born, but it did.


Post# 880617 , Reply# 37   5/13/2016 at 16:36 (2,903 days old) by Travis ()        
Got it unloaded

I had the hinge screws and the latch strike from another cabinet that had been scrapped.  After cleaning the contacts, it runs fine.  Cooling was very slow, it was getting better.  I left it running.  Hopefully, it and my house are fine when I return home.  The door gasket is almost completely gone, so I taped the door shut.


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Post# 880633 , Reply# 38   5/13/2016 at 17:28 (2,903 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Protecting The Hardwood

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Did it come with those little rubber feet or did you have those around?  I've only seen them on later models, although they seem to fit older ones too.


Post# 880636 , Reply# 39   5/13/2016 at 17:34 (2,903 days old) by Travis ()        

I am not sure what year the foot pads began being produced  I have a pile of them.  I was trying to figure out how to protect the floor then noticed the box of foot pads.



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