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Thread Number: 64265
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Full cycle videos - Maytag Bravos XL (Oasis/Cabrio) |
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| Post# 868542 2/23/2016 at 09:54 (2,978 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
I dedicate this to logixx and GELaundry4ever. :)
A full cycle video of a full load of mixed darks. Normal cycle, heavy soil option, cold/cool water temp, with extra rinse (just a spray rinse) and fabric softener option on. The camera was on the little magnetic tripod that I also used in the dishwasher, and even with the wide lens correction turned on, it still has a bit of a fish-eye look to it, but it at least gives view of the entire tub as well as part of the dispensers. The video is from start to finish entirely, but feel free to use the speed options to increase it. It's actually cool to see how smoothly the blooming rollover is in fast speed. | ||
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| Post# 868544 , Reply# 1 2/23/2016 at 10:00 (2,978 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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Here's photos of the set up, and of course my laundry additives.
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Post# 868548 , Reply# 2 2/23/2016 at 10:19 (2,978 days old) by GELaundry4ever  (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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very impressive The wash action is very impressive. | ||
| Post# 868553 , Reply# 3 2/23/2016 at 10:59 (2,978 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Bravos X, I know, mine is belt drive vs. hall sensor rotor/stator. I still hate it. When it was new it shredded my T shirts, and put holes in them from the baskets holes. Now it uses more water, and sounds like an old Tri-motor air plane. | ||
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Post# 868575 , Reply# 4 2/23/2016 at 12:41 (2,977 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I just saw this in my subscription feed - yay! Thanks!
Your set up look better than mine...
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| Post# 868578 , Reply# 5 2/23/2016 at 12:46 (2,977 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 868598 , Reply# 6 2/23/2016 at 15:12 (2,977 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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NICE! I have been waiting for this for a while. I'm not happy they moved away from this design. How does the colors/towels cycle differ? | ||
| Post# 868704 , Reply# 7 2/23/2016 at 21:49 (2,977 days old) by mjg0619 (Scranton, Pennsylvania) | ||
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| Post# 868761 , Reply# 8 2/24/2016 at 06:07 (2,977 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 868801 , Reply# 9 2/24/2016 at 09:03 (2,977 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Funny cycle... The first 19 minutes seems to be mostly spinning around. | ||
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Post# 868817 , Reply# 10 2/24/2016 at 10:44 (2,977 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 869085 , Reply# 12 2/25/2016 at 16:37 (2,975 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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@lakewebsterkid - I am too. I'm not a fan of the new design having a gearbox for one thing. The direct-drive system in this Oasis design sounds so nice, and is aggressive enough to move the load around properly but gentle enough that I haven't had a single thread torn since having it for over a year. The Colors/Towels cycle has a much shorter Catalyst pretreat period, and the agitation time is shorter. It seems to use more water but the agitation stays around medium, so honestly I don't use it much.
@suburbanmd - The more you know!!! I had no idea it would do that! Thank you. :) I'll have to go in and add the times soon, and I'm glad I can know to do that for the future videos. Seriously, I was going through the videos and only noticed then that the underwear stuck out like a sore thumb haha. I hadn't noticed at all because of trying to get the camera set up perfectly. Usually all the laundry goes onto the floor, and I'm usually making sure the buttons and zippers of shirts and pants are all fastened, so the last things left on the floor are usually a few pairs of socks and underwear. At least it gives a good point of reference to determine the rollover! How did I know someone would comment.. :P I just filmed a PowerWash cycle full of towels today, so I should have that up in the next day or so. :) | ||
| Post# 869111 , Reply# 13 2/25/2016 at 19:11 (2,975 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Andrew, Has Whirlpool discontinued the top load direct drive system the larger Cabrio and Bravos XL had? The belt drive and splutch gear case is junk. It's fine for a compact washer. not a full size one. | ||
| Post# 869129 , Reply# 14 2/25/2016 at 20:47 (2,975 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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The new Cabrio design is a bit of a fusion of the Oasis and the VMW platforms. I feel like I remember being told that it actually is called "Fusion Oasis", but that was quite a while ago. The BPM motor, same as the Oasis and F&P, is mounted directly to essentially the same gearbox used in the VMW. My guess is that it was to address issues that could arise with the floating basket design. The drawback is that instead of the quiet hum-whirr sound of the true direct-drive rotor-stator system, there's now the same gear whining the VMW machines have, which isn't the most soothing noise in my opinion.
That all said and done, I do think the machines are gorgeous. If they revise the gear system or at least make it more "Oasis-level" quiet and return to the cabinet mounted dispensers, I'll have a hard time resisting the urge to upgrade, lol. They do seem to use more water than the Oasis, however in the world they got away with it.. If you skip around in this video or others that can be found now, you can hear the difference between the new Cabrio vs. the Oasis like mine. | ||
| Post# 871710 , Reply# 15 3/10/2016 at 10:58 (2,962 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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New video!! Full load of towels, PowerWash cycle
Finally!! I've had the video for a little over a week but just haven't had the time to sit down and stitch everything together. Surprisingly, rendering an hour and 20 some-odd minutes of full 1080p video at 60 frames per second actually takes a few hours and a whole lot of computer fan power to process.
I think this is the best one so far, and towels loads are always my favorite because this machine especially excels at rolling them over smoothly, not that it doesn't do a great job with everything else, just that towels seem more satisfying to watch lol. I threw in a dark colored hand towel just for rollover reference. This time I took suburbanmd's advice and typed in the time links in the description so you can jump to each phase, and it worked! Thanks suburbanmd!!! Feel free to set the video at a higher speed. It makes the rollover look like a small load in a DirectDrive "shredmore" set at small water level, but in reverse, ha! Note** You'll hear that mysterious clunking sound a few times throughout the video. Still have no idea what it is, but the other machine did it as well, though much worse and with screeching. With this machine, it just comes and goes but never seems harmful, so I've dismissed it. It is not the suspension rods or joints, or the basket touching anything, or any loose bolt or agitator. Like the previous machine, it will still pop occasionally even with the agitator and basket removed entirely down to the bare driveshaft. My assumption at this point is that perhaps the bearing ring or one/a few of thesteel balls have just enough of a microscopic imperfection that it will occasionally cause a "jump" inside the rings, just like a bike pedal with bearings or an office chair that leans back and pops occasionally. So, as long as it continues like it does now, and just appears randomly and clears up just as quickly, I see no reason to fret. | ||
| Post# 871715 , Reply# 16 3/10/2016 at 11:18 (2,962 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 871719 , Reply# 17 3/10/2016 at 11:45 (2,961 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
Well | ||
| Post# 871721 , Reply# 18 3/10/2016 at 12:00 (2,961 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 871723 , Reply# 19 3/10/2016 at 12:20 (2,961 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
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Joey | ||
| Post# 871726 , Reply# 20 3/10/2016 at 12:24 (2,961 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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cycle times; Normal cycles is approx. 43 minutes from first lid lock. With a high spin speed of 800 rpm, dry time on normal or eco normal set at medium dryness is less than 35 min. on a moderate load. | ||
| Post# 871728 , Reply# 21 3/10/2016 at 12:28 (2,961 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Yeah I see your point too. Even better with the SQ because it's new. My GE Filter Flo is fast for washing but the matching dryer takes a solid hour to dry a load of towels on high. A new dryer would probably cut that time down. But now I'm waiting for the dryer to get done, as opposed to waiting for the washer to get done on the Kenmore 28102 I had. LOL
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| Post# 871732 , Reply# 23 3/10/2016 at 12:58 (2,961 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
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WRONG | ||
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Post# 871734 , Reply# 24 3/10/2016 at 13:03 (2,961 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Well, there goes common sense and proper argumentation once again... Have fun :) | ||
| Post# 871736 , Reply# 25 3/10/2016 at 13:06 (2,961 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
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3 times | ||
| Post# 871739 , Reply# 27 3/10/2016 at 13:19 (2,961 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
I'm not so sure about that Glomain
I'm the only one who does laundry, and I was sick a few weeks ago with the flu. I let the laundry pile up and when it was finally time to do it, I DREADED it.
If I had on old top load washer, I would have had 6 loads of laundry I'm guessing. I was able to get it all done in 3 loads in my Duet FL washer without overloading it, but they were large loads nonetheless. The dryer took a little longer because the washer can handle so much more than the dryer, but I get the feeling I got my laundry done faster than if I had had a regular quick TL washer from the past. Each load was 1 hour and 10 min's, with heavy duty/extra rinse. Anyway, I came across this the other day. Would you just look at the amount of clothes he put in that machine? And cold water all the way.... but they seem to LOVE their machine. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark_wpduet's LINK | ||
| Post# 871740 , Reply# 28 3/10/2016 at 13:50 (2,961 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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HE machines, especially the newer ones like Mark posted above DOOOOOOOOOO work. I get having opinions, but like Henene said, facts are facts. I've used just about every type of washer out there, new and old and from experience I can state that most do a great job. There are def some turds out there, but doing research and getting opinions (from people that actually have used the product or type) will net you good results. I don't need anyone to convince me that and old clunker is better than a new shiny machine...because I already know, they both work just fine. It's all about personal preference and THAT's IT. Gosh darn it. ;-)
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| Post# 871741 , Reply# 29 3/10/2016 at 14:23 (2,961 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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@Glomain - No, the load that was in the Bravos translates to exactly two full loads (loaded loosely/PROPERLY to the lip of the tub) in the 3.6 cu.ft tub of the Whirlpool agitator washer I have in the garage. Have tested it many times. The 4.8 cu.ft of the Bravos, paired with the fact that the agitator is low profile and also operates differently, (ie. not needing to swing broad paddles back and forth through dense clothing and water like a traditional machine) brings the total -safe- capacity of the machine to a little over twice the capacity of a typical 3.4 to 3.6 cu.ft agitator washer. If you want to stuff that much into your Speed Queen, be my guest, but I guarantee that you'll incur some heavy wear and possible damage to the drive system, and also your fabrics, and if not, the load will most certainly not go anywhere and won't come out clean or even rinsed properly.
Preferences are preferences, and everyone is entitled to what they prefer, but facts are a different story. Also, it is impossible to argue, when the evidence is right here, that a properly designed and properly used HE top loader fails to roll over and effectively move even a heavy load of clothing fluidly and continuously, as well as properly rinse and spin them dry enough to give ease to the dryer. Also, personal point here, but I never see the big deal when someone complains about cycle times on a dishwasher or washing machine. I'm not really understanding who could be honestly biting at the chain to get the dishes out and put into a cabinet or the clothes put away. The machines are doing the work while you chill at the computer or TV, all you have to do is pop them in and out once they're done. They're not going to fly away if they sit for five minutes. I'd rather them run longer if it means saving energy in the long run and putting my valuable detergent to good use rather than spitting it down the drain in 5-8 minutes. My clothes are much cleaner than any traditional machine I've had before simply because the detergent is getting the time it needs to actually work. | ||
| Post# 871747 , Reply# 31 3/10/2016 at 15:32 (2,961 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Common sense just isn't common anymore, if it ever really was.
I also think people in general just aren't that mechanically inclined as they think they are, or not at all because they don't care. There was a scene from Boardwalk Empire that sticks out in my mind. VanAlden was having a tiff with his 'wife' because the "washer belt broke again." She was made because it was going to take a week for a replacement. VanAlden curtly snaps at her, "thinks just aren't made like they used to be." .... This is Boardwalk Empire! Prohibition. In the 1920s. Bitching about shoddy appliances! Or was it user error? LOL. Some things never change. | ||
| Post# 871748 , Reply# 32 3/10/2016 at 15:33 (2,961 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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| Post# 871749 , Reply# 33 3/10/2016 at 15:41 (2,961 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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It's true...everything old seems so much better than everything new, when it's new. Case in point, when I was a kid growing up in the 80's my dad used to go on and on about how much better cars were built in the 50's and 60's...now in car forums I hear people saying how bad cars are now and how great they were in the 80's hahaha. It's just human nature I guess...though some of it is true too.
Seriously John, get your act together before you post here! hehehehe ;-) Same thing happens to me...then I end up editing my posts 5 times. | ||
| Post# 871766 , Reply# 34 3/10/2016 at 16:53 (2,961 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
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Mark
you are talking a front loader,well that's true about capacity, I bought new duets in 2008 & hated them from the get go(so glad their gone)that's how I ended up joining this site,if I would of known the crap these companies are trying to sell I would of not of gotten rid of my old whirlpool set from 89 that never had a repair.
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| Post# 871802 , Reply# 36 3/10/2016 at 20:22 (2,961 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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You hated your duets? | ||
| Post# 871809 , Reply# 37 3/10/2016 at 20:46 (2,961 days old) by ptcruiser51 (Boynton Beach, FL) | ||
OMG | ||
| Post# 871832 , Reply# 38 3/10/2016 at 23:43 (2,961 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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@vacerator - There is no gear case or splutch at all on the true Oasis. The rotor and agitator are directly connected with one shaft. The tub basically sits on a hub disc with teeth, where the inner hub of the tub itself has teeth that sit into that disc, so without water, everything is all one piece rotating as one unit. It's not until filling that the basket floats up half an inch or so and lifts away from the toothed hub on the shaft, which is what disengages the shaft and agitator from the tub entirely. The popping usually only happens during the constant slow rotations during the Catalyst recirculating phase, but usually go away once it spins any faster than that. Now, the new flagship Cabrio/Bravos/Oasis design -does- have a gearbox, basically for torque conversion. Instead of the single phase motor, belt, and splutch from the VMW version of the CaBravOasis, they now have the BPM motor direct-mounted to that gear box. As far as I know, it has a sort of modified splutch where it locks the tub only when it needs to turn the basket, and I'm guessing it's an electromagnet of some kind because in the videos CruellaUrsula has of his new machine, you can hear a faint electrical hum whenever the machine locks the tub.
@ptcruiser51 - Then don't watch it, please. Seriously, did a bus full of trolls unload here recently or something? | ||
| Post# 871866 , Reply# 41 3/11/2016 at 08:56 (2,961 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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I have more important problems in life.... | ||
| Post# 871868 , Reply# 42 3/11/2016 at 09:01 (2,961 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Johnb300, Point well taken, but it has been worth it for the photos, comradere, and education of the vintage appliances. There is a nice avocado green Maytag center dial pair for sale not too far away I may be having a look at. Like on "That 70's Show". | ||
| Post# 871870 , Reply# 43 3/11/2016 at 09:12 (2,961 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I don't really understand why I even get on this site anymore...
@vacerator - My entire point was that my machine IS a true Oasis?! The machine IN MY VIDEOS IS the old Oasis?!?! At what point did I "decide to mess with you"? And at what point did I say anything instigating you to "let me have it right back"? I simply pointed out why my machine does not have a splutch or gearbox, so the noise could not be coming from them. When did I say anything insinuating that I meant it to offend or insult you? After the third time now of you unjustifiably jumping down my throat for literally NO REASON, it is obvious that you sir, are a troll. Your only point on this site is to spew your "know all, end all" knowledge in everyone's faces, but don't take the time to realize that you MAY NOT BE CORRECT on some things, as clearly displayed above. Hell, I would even tip the washer forward, and take video of me removing the rotor and stator, the agitator and tub, down to the bare driveshaft to show that it IS the "DD hall sensor rotor stator design/the true Oasis/the F&P SmartDrive/the whatever-name-you-want-to-call-it design"...but honestly at this point you're not worth the time or the effort. Go Google a freaking picture dude. Also, don't comment on my posts again because obviously you have no intentions of simply contributing to the conversation respectfully and with something valuable to say. | ||
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Post# 871873 , Reply# 44 3/11/2016 at 09:34 (2,961 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Funny I blocked his posts a few days back, and still this thread seems interesting, even without context. | ||
| Post# 871885 , Reply# 45 3/11/2016 at 12:01 (2,960 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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As you wish, however, did I say you messed with me? No. I said Mr. Bushman did. He was not part of our discussion either. Yes, it is funny at that Henrik. Have we read all of the thread "Now Samsung"? Acht der Lieber! Sauer braten Munchner schnitzel, and spaetzel. Sclemiel, sclemazel. | ||
| Post# 871886 , Reply# 46 3/11/2016 at 12:02 (2,960 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Andrew needs a mirror if I am a troll. | ||
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Post# 871890 , Reply# 47 3/11/2016 at 12:27 (2,960 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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sound video I found a sound video of the new Whirlpool Cabrio. I think this is the one that you guys were referring to. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
| Post# 871896 , Reply# 48 3/11/2016 at 13:10 (2,960 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
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my reply Andrew
if you read it #17 I just said of my experience also I don't over load,but that little blob of clothes at the bottom of your machine looked like a waste of 1:23 mins,also being the owner @ 1 time of those piles O. S. duets, timer says 55.mins go down 1:30 mins later there she is 20 mins left just flippin & a floppin(that's what I named those p.o.s. the flip flops)went & bought a used 98 maytag washer,took the clothes right from the duet & put them on rinse in the tag & the water was gray,did the same thing with the comforters (that I only ran in the flip flops)put 1 in at time in the S.Q. & the wash water was BLACK (nasty)so that's my experience with HE washers,never again. as for vacerator getting pissy don't know him,as for henene4 guess he just wants to be a smart ass & stir the pot,thats why I responded like I did to him.
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Post# 871902 , Reply# 49 3/11/2016 at 13:49 (2,960 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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my take to murando531... my take is that Whirlpool has decided to use those pancake motors and add a gearbox to their new cabrio/bravos designs to not only address the belt and pulley issue, but to also also address the rotor and stator problems as well. I could either be wrong or just mistaken. | ||
| Post# 871914 , Reply# 52 3/11/2016 at 15:08 (2,960 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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water was gray?
after you washed them in your duets and then ran them through the tag?
That made me think: I wonder if it's like vacuuming. The last vacuum always wins, because no vacuum can get all the dirt. I wonder if you had washed them in the maytags, and then the duets, if the water might be gray? I agree with you that my Duet's annoy me when it comes to deciding to spin, but it always ultimately spins in a reasonable amount of time. I can TELL if my clothes are clean are not, and they are clean! My machine uses enough water to clean them, there's plenty of sloshing going on, no mold ever, drum smells perfectly clean...I still like OLD washers too! I'm just saying that so far, I have NO problems with some of the newer machines..... | ||
| Post# 871930 , Reply# 53 3/11/2016 at 16:23 (2,960 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Just sayin...
Can't we all just get along??? :(
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