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Thread Number: 64559
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
What do people think of the new Persil available in USA? |
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| Post# 872251 , Reply# 1 3/13/2016 at 10:27 (2,959 days old) by centenialguy () | ||
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helicaldrive, I Love it! Unilever now ones the Persil label. I only use one two two tablespoons. It does a great job. | ||
| Post# 872262 , Reply# 3 3/13/2016 at 12:20 (2,958 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
I have to ask, how much Persil did you use and what temp? Another thing, if you have "ring around the collar " ...wash your neck! That said, I use Persil PowerPearls for Whites in hot water and I use it in my LG front loader and never have issue with oversudising. I also use the Persil Original Scent liquid and it runs circles around Tide Powder and liquids. And yes both detergents are used in my LG and I dose it as they say to dose. I also have Persil from Germany MegaPearls and Liquid and find no difference in performance at all. That's my experience with the Ameican version of Persil. I no longer use Tide since P&G messed around with the scent of the so called Original scent Powder...it no longer smells like it used to and don't get me started on Downy April Fresh because they changed that scent as well and it reeks to the high heavens.
Here is another thought too...if you have an issue with scents one does not like, borax is your friend. A half cup in the wash cycle and it will neutralize the offending odor. | ||
Post# 872276 , Reply# 5 3/13/2016 at 13:41 (2,958 days old) by petek  (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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| Post# 872302 , Reply# 7 3/13/2016 at 15:09 (2,958 days old) by centenialguy () | ||
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Oops, my bad! Not Unilever, the bottle say Dial, a Henkel company. I uses an Oxyclean gel stick for wring around the collar, sans any spikes of course. Just kidding about the spikes. | ||
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Post# 872308 , Reply# 8 3/13/2016 at 15:49 (2,958 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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Dosage? I've used 2 Tbls of German Persil for years in my Miele W1930 with great results. Should I use the same amount of the new Persil? Greg | ||
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Post# 872311 , Reply# 10 3/13/2016 at 16:09 (2,958 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Smell like vomit
The net is full of stories about clothes smelling fine right out of the washer but not so fresh anymore once the clothes are dry, in severe cases like vomit or worse.
This phenomenon is not linked to a particular brand of detergent. It´s all about underestimating dirt levels and body chemistry. The culprit is a build up of rancid body oils in clothes which have not been removed sufficiantly in previous washes. Remedy is to use the maximum recommended dose of a good detergent, preferably no cold water and the longest wash cycles the clothes can withstand. A mild oxygen bleach is beneficial as well but for success it`s most important to increase the detergent load considerably. As with any build up it will take some time to reverse the damage ! I`ve been there, done it, learned my lesson. Got "that" T-shirt just smelling fine again. The only explanation that comes to my mind why some people complain about Persil could be previously used detergents might have been better at masking residual odors from bad washing habits with heavy scents. There also shouldn`t be any need to rewash seasonal clothes form last year if laundry is done right in the first place. This post was last edited 03/13/2016 at 18:16 | ||
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Post# 872330 , Reply# 11 3/13/2016 at 18:17 (2,958 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Problem with using lavish amounts of the American Persil
Liquid and even the Henkel gel is the scent! It is so powerful and lingers that it is like one's laundry has become an air freshener.
Find the American worse then German on this matter, but still equally both are offenders. As a test did one load of shirts (whites) in Tide liquid, another (colors) in Persil (German)gel. After ironing and airing overnight the Tide shirts barely had a whiff (which is saying something knowing P&G). Meanwhile the Persil washed shirts still packed a powerful scent punch. There is of course the Persil (American) cap is larger (IMHO) compared to the German so people are already using more product. | ||
| Post# 872344 , Reply# 12 3/13/2016 at 19:04 (2,958 days old) by centenialguy () | ||
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I don't measure with the cap. I use one to two tablespoons depending on the load size, cycle, and soil level. Yes, even on a deep water wash, only two tablespoons. Usng any more is wastefull and may require a second rinse. | ||
| Post# 872350 , Reply# 13 3/13/2016 at 19:16 (2,958 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 872400 , Reply# 14 3/13/2016 at 22:58 (2,958 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI) | ||
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It's excellent detergent, but I'm not terribly fond of the scent choices. It cleans better than Tide in my experience, but the scents are all strong, and not particularly pleasant IMO. A scent free version would be nice. Then it would be unbeatable. I like scents, just not the scents Persil offers. | ||
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Post# 872408 , Reply# 15 3/14/2016 at 00:02 (2,958 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Scent free laundry products
Do not seem to be high on most European countries laundry market. *LOL*
Each time am in France search high and low for something totally *sans* and come up empty handed. Germany does not seem to be much better IIRC. Persil sensitive at one time was scent free. Then some fool decided to change things.... | ||
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Post# 872416 , Reply# 16 3/14/2016 at 01:12 (2,958 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Crazy world. People complaining about allergies to fragrances, bans in hospitals and doctors offices yet people are bombarding their homes with all these overly stinky products. Personally not allergic but I don't like them I just want to try the Persil to see how it works. I'll put up with the stink for that, But other than that I don't want any stinky candles, plug ins, geeze even Palmolive dish soap stinks something fierce now. LOL | ||
| Post# 872425 , Reply# 17 3/14/2016 at 03:49 (2,958 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest) | ||
Persil problems
Apparently they've had some issues with not testing?
The formula was literally eating holes in peoples clothing.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO delaneymeegan's LINK 
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| Post# 872427 , Reply# 18 3/14/2016 at 04:01 (2,958 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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One has to remember that Persil in the UK is owned by Unilever and not by Henkel so the formulas are completely different. They don't even smell the same. I have used the German and UK versions...there is a British grocer nearby that sells UK Persil from time to time. The scents are not alike and performance of both is quite good but I think that the German version is better..this was before Henkel rolled out the North American version of Persil.
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| Post# 872430 , Reply# 19 3/14/2016 at 04:56 (2,958 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
I haven't tried the American Persil so cannot comment.
Maybe as it is basically a European formulation it performs better in hottest water the garment can stand. I can say I'm very happy with the performance and the scent of our (European) Persil liquid and megapearls. I personaly would never use a scent-free detergent. But this is just my personal preference. Have tried some rare European sent-free detergent and I was extremly disappointed. The laundry was clean I guess ..."although the feeling said no it isn't"... but the scent was, how can I say, not awful but chemically acidly strange, like the laundry wasn't clean at all or washed in just plain water. I love when the laundry is visibly clean but also with an obvious and concrete scent of detergent. | ||
| Post# 872438 , Reply# 21 3/14/2016 at 06:31 (2,958 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Low Scent formula | ||
| Post# 872441 , Reply# 22 3/14/2016 at 06:48 (2,958 days old) by centenialguy () | ||
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Joe, yes I smelled the white formula, and found it the same as the blue pro clean scent. My sniffer is more sensitive depending on the weather though when my sinuses may be partially blocked. | ||
| Post# 872442 , Reply# 23 3/14/2016 at 06:52 (2,958 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 872449 , Reply# 24 3/14/2016 at 07:22 (2,958 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
Yeh I'm pretty up to my neck with 'stink doctor' detergents. Even "Tide Original" is a lie. It's not "original", it just doesn't smell like flowers, trees, fruit, perfume, bubble gum, institutional floor cleaner, scorpion armpits like everything else does.
Hey Palmasiladialauniprocter, if you wanna go flavor wild, howzbout chicken fried steak? Bacon? Bacon-flavored ranch dressing? An ethnic favorite, pig intestines and cabbage boiled in vinegar? Mcdonalds frenchfries? And fer gawdsake, if you're gonna make bubblegum flavor dryer sheets, use Bazooka not DubbleBubble. DUH! Speaking of dryers, my Kenmore gas got so hot it scorched the scents to where they smelt burnt. Until I throttled-back the burner valve. Could that be what's making current stench additives smell like puke? You'd like to think a nest of stink geniuses woulda thought of that but as SNL told us years ago, we live in the age of lowered expectations. Back to US general-retail (Dial) Persil, if I had any confidence AT ALL that it worked and smelled like my generously-donated sample of Henkel/Miele/Euro Persil, I'd snap it up. | ||
| Post# 872452 , Reply# 25 3/14/2016 at 07:54 (2,958 days old) by centenialguy () | ||
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Joe, you're lucky then about not being allergic. My niece had to have a custom blended epi pen and shots for her allergies. They had to adopt their cat away. They got a Havanese dog, and she is not bothered by her at all. | ||
| Post# 872467 , Reply# 27 3/14/2016 at 09:32 (2,958 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Carmine, Bergmans hardware is about 3 miles from my house, lol, once in awhile I'm in there..so you know the area? The Miele I'm refering to is the Little Giant. Cheryl | ||
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Post# 872468 , Reply# 28 3/14/2016 at 09:36 (2,958 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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So funny how we all have some different experiences For years I had to stop using Persil because of my allergies to fragrances. I used the EU versions because it was not offered here. I bought them through I think ABT, I don't exactly remember but because the scent was so strong I had to stop using them.
When they were released here I decided to try again because I really do like the scent. Well for whatever reason these versions don't bother me and I can see a noticeable improvement in how well they clean. My whites were kind of dingy before I used the Persil. Maybe the "FREE" versions don't have the same cleaning power I don't really know.
What I do know is my whites are back to screaming white!! There was a huge difference in the first load. I wash my whites in warm water in my BOSCH F/L and used about 1/2 of the capful. My towels and sheets I wash on the Sanitary cycle which I think is 161 degrees in this machine. I don't even need to use the OxiClean powder any more. I suppose there are many variables that affect how well the detergent works and I guess I'm lucky to have just the right combination because I am very pleased with this new version. | ||
| Post# 872470 , Reply# 29 3/14/2016 at 09:47 (2,958 days old) by centenialguy () | ||
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Cheryl, I'm not Carmine, but we are from the same county I do believe. A gal I used to work with's uncle owned Bergmans. I was born in the burgh, and we lived in Plum borough until I was six. Just a stones throw from Monroeville as a crow flies. | ||
| Post# 872496 , Reply# 31 3/14/2016 at 13:32 (2,957 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest) | ||
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Gas dryer drama. Using a gas dryer will leave a certain undesirable smell on one's clothing. If you're picky about the way your clothes smell, and don't want them discolored from the gas, get an electric dryer.
So yeah, when you combine the perfume in the detergent with the soot from burning gas, you will get a most likely undesirable smell.
Another thing to consider, that they don't tell you, is WHERE your dryer is. If it's in a musty basement, the dryer is going to suck in all that musty smell and filter your clothes with it.
Also, if the dryer is in your living envelope, it will pick up odors you have there. Do you smoke, have pets, burn wood or coal, cook Indian food or other foods that have a lot of smell? All these will get sucked into the dryer and affect the outcome.
Over the years, with all the appliances I've had, one thing is for sure: electric dryers are generally clean. Every gas dryer that I've added to my collection, has always had burn marks and left the former White drum, browned. The brown color residue is heaviest coming from the heat duct. Gas dryers are disgusting.
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| Post# 872497 , Reply# 32 3/14/2016 at 14:05 (2,957 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Post# 872505 , Reply# 34 3/14/2016 at 15:03 (2,957 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 872507 , Reply# 35 3/14/2016 at 15:30 (2,957 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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It wouldn't matter to me... Within reason it wouldn't matter what they did (obviously as long as it was legal) if they fixed it and the product worked well I'd still use it.
From a marketing insight, I would love to know how/what they did to damage control and protect the brand
It works well for me and for me that's all it really takes. | ||
| Post# 872520 , Reply# 37 3/14/2016 at 16:56 (2,957 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest) | ||
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I've never used Persil, but if Brits love it, I will try it. And like people, companies sometimes make a mistake or have a problem with a product, but if they learn from it and adjust accordingly, what more can we ask for.
I saw Persil the other day, when I was buying detergent. I want to get a sample size to try out. It has to work in my front loader.
As for the gas dryer comments- I stand by them. I can take pictures of my equally aged dryers, both gas and electric, roughly 30-40 years old. The electric will typically have wear marks but you can see the original color of the drum. Then, go to the gas dryer, you'll have the same wear marks, but the entire drum has a varied brown haze to it. It's typically darkest where the heat comes out of the vent. On a white dryer, you can blatantly see the differences in the paint color from the door and the edges of the door that aren't exposed to the drum. And there is always the lingering petroleum smell.
I also shop charity shops for linens and sometimes clothing. You can find clothing items that distinctly have been laundered in a gas dryer. They are more faded, the have the smell, and the clothing seems rough.
If you have white sheets or towel, and routinely launder in a gas dryer, they will eventually turn beige, not because of age, but from being tainted by fossil fuel gas.
See, clothing manufacturers aren't going to make an issue with this stuff for good reason. Anything that will wear out clothing faster, and THUS cause people to BUY MORE, well, that's what it's all about for them. Fly-by-night. I don't care what manufacturer's want. I want things that are going to last. I have linens and clothing that are 20+ years old and I don't want them disintegrating.
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Post# 872531 , Reply# 38 3/14/2016 at 17:59 (2,957 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Persil - Unilever vs. Henkel
In European and a few other markets (though not yet North America) where each version is sold they are TOL laundry detergents. Though various consumer testing groups in a few countries have found other products give similar or better results for less money. This also will vary by type of product (gel, liquid, powder, etc...)
Unilever and Henkel only share the name Persil, period. Their respective formulas long have since gone their separate ways. Have recited this story before so to keep it simple.... Henkel Germany sought to expand their Persil washing powder which was then still the famous soap, perborate and silicate blend that revolutionized cleaning laundry. Rather than set up factories and so forth in the UK the formula for Persil was licensed to a British soap maker (name escapes me at the moment), who was in turn purchased by Lever Bros. Lever Brothers became Unilever and there you are.... Over the years both sides have attempted to buy out the other's rights to Persil brand but neither will budge. Another member noted awhile back that the German/Henkel versions of Persil contain more surfactants than the British/Unilever. This would not surprise me nor would any other differences in formulas. | ||
| Post# 872540 , Reply# 39 3/14/2016 at 18:39 (2,957 days old) by centenialguy () | ||
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Laundress, I looked up Persil history, and there is a statue of her in the town where it was founded. | ||
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Post# 872555 , Reply# 40 3/14/2016 at 20:33 (2,957 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Statue of Weisse Dame
Isn't of "Persil" which is named after its key ingredients *PERborate and SILicate*, but of the White Lady.
The White Lady much like the mythical Phoebe Snow of the Lackawanna Rail Road was meant to symbolize purity and cleanliness. Weisse Dame was the first advertising campaign for Henkel's Persil and still remains one of the most potent and loved symbols for that product in Germany. www.persil.de/de/ueber-persil/per... www.henkeldiversity.com/2012/12/1... Over the years from her initial launch in 1920's through 1960's the Weisse Dame changed her frock as fashions did as well. www.google.com/searchQUES... | ||
| Post# 872557 , Reply# 41 3/14/2016 at 20:38 (2,957 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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I have tried several if not all the Persil detergents. The only one that I was not fond of was the pearls. I noticed in a few washings my whites had grayed. As for the smell it does linger, but it's not offensive to me.
The intensive fresh has a very nice scent, and just barely detectable in towels after the dryer. The PODS seem to have the strongest scent of all, but not objectionable, kind of a manly smell, not flowery or sweet.
____ Delaney- As I said I agree about gas, I wonder if it is more the leak detection smell they put in the gas or if it is the petroleum smell. In any case I smell it on clothes, as well as I can go into a home with a gas stove and can tell they have gas as there is that smell.
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| Post# 872599 , Reply# 42 3/15/2016 at 05:23 (2,957 days old) by centenialguy () | ||
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Yes laundress! My camera is not connected, or I'd show you the billboard animation photo of her in white with an umbrella and a turquoise background on the side of one of my HO scale buildings on my model RR layout. | ||
| Post# 872619 , Reply# 43 3/15/2016 at 06:58 (2,957 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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About the gas dryer smell
With the valve wide open the wash-- especially sheets-- came out smelling burnt. Turning the valve down ~one quarter reduced the problem below the point it was objectionable.
Natgas doesn't really have a smell when burned. Burning also destroys the leak-detect additive. EITHER type of heat can expose laundry to smells from intake air. Working this problem convinced me that the detergent scent agents were being rancidified/oxidized by excess heat. Most places, gas (heat) is so much cheaper than electric it's preferable to solve the overheat problem than switch. Which should also solve the drum discoloration, though I wasn't dealing with that. | ||
| Post# 878732 , Reply# 46 4/27/2016 at 06:23 (2,914 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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The perls This is the formula that contains a lot of oxygen bleach so if you want to use a detergent to bleach whites the Perls has it. I use both formulas and they work well for me. I checked the Persil Pro web site and see that the Perls bottle no longer has the spout, however if you want one you can order it. | ||
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Post# 878801 , Reply# 48 4/27/2016 at 16:09 (2,913 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Well it finally arrived in the stores around here a couple of weeks ago (3 or 4 different versions) so I picked up a bottle of the ProClean 2 in 1. I don't mind the smell, it's fairly light and to be honest I can't say as it cleans any better than the bargain basement on sale $1.99 Ajax or Arm & Hammer stuff I've been using for years. Since it's designed for use in both regular TL's and HE machine (mines a vintage filter flo) the concentration may have something to do with things. Plus my clothes don't get all that dirty. I sometimes have a problem with pit stains but I pretreat those. | ||
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Post# 878810 , Reply# 49 4/27/2016 at 17:19 (2,913 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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I wasn't overly impressed with it. I used the Persil Pro-Clean MegaPearls, and didn't think it was worth the price. When I used it up, I went back to the Sears Ultra Plus, which cleans nearly as good at a much lower price. | ||
| Post# 878829 , Reply# 50 4/27/2016 at 19:30 (2,913 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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In my front loader I use about 1 to 2 tablespoons of the Perls when I wash whites and so it lasts about a year and works well for me. I checked the Pro Perls web site today and see it seems to be reformulated as well. Seems like more and different ingredients. Last thing I will say. | ||
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Post# 879932 , Reply# 52 5/8/2016 at 00:19 (2,903 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Glad you're getting great results.
For me the attraction of the Power Pearls is that chlorine bleach is not needed at all. Using it probably cancels the utility of the enzymes and the oxygen bleaching system that are the main things you're paying for. Good points about the scent, which, more than most, seems to be perceived differently by different people. | ||
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Post# 879950 , Reply# 53 5/8/2016 at 07:35 (2,903 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Is there a chair I can tell this to?
Oxygen and chlorine bleach cancel each other out, use one or the other. Again Cheer detergent famous "color-guard" was nothing more than sodium perborate. It was added in small enough amounts not to bleach colors but to counteract the chlorine found in most tap water.
www.reddit.com/r/Homebrew... www.homeownershub.com/cleaning/st... | ||
| Post# 879980 , Reply# 54 5/8/2016 at 12:52 (2,902 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis) | ||
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Thanks for the tip I'll follow your advice | ||
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Post# 880099 , Reply# 57 5/9/2016 at 13:10 (2,901 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 880165 , Reply# 58 5/10/2016 at 08:19 (2,901 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 880183 , Reply# 59 5/10/2016 at 10:38 (2,901 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin) |
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 I've used many types of electric vented (Euro and US) and condenser dryers. I've used one heat pump dryer (my current Miele, which I've had for two years). I used to have a Maytag Neptune gas dryer.
I have to say that I never noticed any difference in the smell or feel of clothes from that gas dryer and results were excellent (except it didn't reverse and thus balled bedding, driving me nuts). The only time I could detect any kind of combustion (or non-electric type of smell) was on opening the dryer mid-cycle and sticking my head pretty much inside the drum. Whites seemed to stay just as gleaming white as I'd expect from an electric dryer. Having said that, I only lived with it for a year so I didn't get the opportunity to see any potential long-term effects on old fabrics over many years. Perhaps it also depends on the model of dryer and whether it is correctly adjusted and functioning properly e.g. burning cleanly and at the right temperature etc. | ||
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Post# 880691 , Reply# 61 5/14/2016 at 01:10 (2,897 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Post# 880698 , Reply# 62 5/14/2016 at 05:16 (2,897 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Have no problem with the performance of the American Persil | ||
| Post# 880710 , Reply# 63 5/14/2016 at 07:33 (2,897 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Launderess, perhaps you should try the FreshScent? hahahahahaha. Ma Griffe, omg...too funny.
Regular Persil does have a nice smell (to me anyway). But I don't think it's my preference. I do have to try the FreshScent to see how I like that..I tend to like "sweeter-fresh" smells like Wisk and Cheer...and the A&H with Oxi Fresh Scent. I'm loving the Mexican Ariel too...it's basically Tide Mountain Spring...smells very nice. | ||
| Post# 880782 , Reply# 64 5/14/2016 at 16:39 (2,896 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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So the other day I was looking at my carpet and thought my gawd I have to clean this. I had a heavy traffic area that normally is a pain in the backside to clean and I thought of the people on Facebook that said that they washed their carpet with Persil. So I used it in the carpet cleaner and was pleasantly surprised how well it did.
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Post# 880784 , Reply# 65 5/14/2016 at 16:51 (2,896 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 880800 , Reply# 66 5/14/2016 at 18:22 (2,896 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 882090 , Reply# 67 5/25/2016 at 10:41 (2,886 days old) by dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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| Post# 882112 , Reply# 69 5/25/2016 at 13:26 (2,885 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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For... Anyone so interested, this is the full ingredients list for UK (Unilever) Persil, you will see Subtilisin listed in place of Protease. As IEJ said, Unilever's UK Surf, contains only one enzyme, which is Protease. CLICK HERE TO GO TO liamy1's LINK | ||
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Post# 885767 , Reply# 70 6/17/2016 at 21:16 (2,862 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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power caps I just bought the power caps. They smell nice and strong.I do have a brother who comes home in stinky clothes. Then again, maybe that won't even cut it! | ||
| Post# 887687 , Reply# 71 7/1/2016 at 10:49 (2,849 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
"From a marketing insight, I would love to know how/what they did to damage control"
Liam, that's an interesting question. I'd also be intrigued to know what damage control was done, especially as the 1983 launch of New System Persil is still fresh in people's minds - the bio vs. non-bio debate never seemed to go away. The issue with Persil Power was the an enzyme catalyst was added to the formula. It actually made it very very effective at cleaning, but at the cost of the clothing - it literally dissolved the clothes where the dirt had been. If you'd had particularly sweaty underarms for example, the enzyme action went into overdrive and made holes where the sweat was. I suppose that's one way of getting rid of stains...:P | ||
| Post# 887688 , Reply# 72 7/1/2016 at 10:56 (2,849 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Nothing to do with US Persil, but Unilever Persil Bio has been my favourite detergent for years. I use it on pretty much everything.
There's something about Persil in the UK. It's so recognisable has been a regular part of British life for generations. All my grandparents used Persil. I will never forget the smell of high suds Persil boiling up in my great Grandma's Hotpoint Supermatic.
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| Post# 887701 , Reply# 73 7/1/2016 at 13:07 (2,848 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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I suppose that's one way of getting rid of stains...:P Haha yep, there can't possibly be a stain in the fabric, as there is no fabric. Lol :) | ||
| Post# 887718 , Reply# 74 7/1/2016 at 16:32 (2,848 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK) | ||
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Do you think Persil is better than Ariel? I remember in the 90's Persil was the recommended detergent by most washer manufacturers now its Ariel. What does the bio powder smell like? Been years since I used it and if it smelt like green box Ariel id avoid it. | ||
| Post# 887719 , Reply# 75 7/1/2016 at 16:33 (2,848 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK) | ||
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When I mean better I mean in terms of stain removal, colour protection, foam control etc. | ||
| Post# 887721 , Reply# 76 7/1/2016 at 16:45 (2,848 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 887722 , Reply# 77 7/1/2016 at 16:50 (2,848 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK) | ||
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That's good to know then. | ||
| Post# 887869 , Reply# 78 7/2/2016 at 18:24 (2,847 days old) by Wishwash (Indiana) | ||
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I tried it. Tried Persil liquid last year. It cleaned fine, but I personally could not stand the smell. I prefer something with a "normal" scent like Tide or Arm & Hammer. | ||
| Post# 888114 , Reply# 79 7/4/2016 at 19:19 (2,845 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Wishwash, which flavor of Persil did you use? Tide liquids are quite stinky to my nose, and I don't use Arm &Hammer since it really doesn't clean well , in my opinion. I use Persil Original scent and the 2 in 1 Persil and I find the scent quite nice and clothes smell clean. I used to use Tide Powder HE Original and I loved the scent, but P&G went ahead and putz'd around with the scent and it smells nothing like it used to.
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Post# 888149 , Reply# 80 7/5/2016 at 02:35 (2,845 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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| Post# 888179 , Reply# 81 7/5/2016 at 07:57 (2,845 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 888353 , Reply# 82 7/6/2016 at 05:45 (2,844 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 888422 , Reply# 84 7/6/2016 at 15:32 (2,843 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.) | ||
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I am not seeing the powder in any of our stores anymore (Wal-Mart, Shop-Rite, etc... Has it been discontinued? | ||
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Post# 888423 , Reply# 85 7/6/2016 at 15:53 (2,843 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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| Post# 888524 , Reply# 86 7/7/2016 at 09:25 (2,843 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California) | ||
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It's available online today: www.walmart.com/ip/Persil-ProClea... they often offer free shipping to a store for pickup in the event your local store is out of stock. | ||
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Post# 888529 , Reply# 87 7/7/2016 at 10:37 (2,843 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Cannot find the powdered version by Dial/Henkel | ||
| Post# 894826 , Reply# 88 8/20/2016 at 16:35 (2,798 days old) by sarat (USA) | ||
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Is it okay to use bleach with the Persil Pearls or does it contain an oxy like ingredient? | ||
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Post# 894829 , Reply# 89 8/20/2016 at 17:14 (2,798 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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The Pearls do contain an oxy like ingredient so some of the bleaching action will be lost to the fact that oxygen bleach and chlorine bleach cancel each other out.
While it`s not the most efficient way to bleach laundry it is still perfectly okay to use chlorine along with an oxy bleach containing washing powder because one of the bleaches (usually chlorine) exceeds the other one. In other words it is very unlikely to get the exact ratio of chlorine to oxy where 100% bleaching action is canceled out. | ||
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Post# 894830 , Reply# 90 8/20/2016 at 17:38 (2,798 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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While it may be "ok" to use chlorine with an hydrogen peroxide bleach, why would you? Have found oxygen bleach far superior to chlorine especially when part of an activated system.
While can understand adding say water softener (phosphates) and perhaps oxygen bleach when using a detergent that does not have it included, and or to kick things up a notch when dealing with badly stained wash; cannot comprehend the need to create various witches brews for doing laundry. We no longer live in the 1800's! If you aren't getting proper results from a particular laundry detergent then either your methods are off and or you need to find something else. No longer bother adding anything really when using various European detergents (the modern versions, not vintage stuff in my stash), as Persil, Ariel, Le Chat, OMO, and the rest all give excellent results on their own. Especially when used in the Miele (good) or OKO-Lavamat (better). | ||
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Post# 894836 , Reply# 91 8/20/2016 at 18:06 (2,798 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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 Consumer Reports made a significant distinction between the different types of Persil liquids. I think they liked the "+ pro-lift technology" formula better than all the others. It took some doing in my area to locate that specific one.
I've used it but it's VERY fragrant and it over-sudses a lot. I can't imagine what it would do in a boil-wash cycle. I like the fragrance but I don't want to walk around in public smelling like my laundry detergent. I remember when I was in high school I had a couple of friends who smelled like Wisk all day long. I wanted to tell them to tell their mothers to use less but I was still deeply inside the laundry closet and didn't want to out myself.
I think the Miele powders are near-perfect detergents. We have a turkish supermarket near us that stocks small bags of the regular and color formulas. | ||
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Post# 894842 , Reply# 92 8/20/2016 at 19:36 (2,798 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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American Persil
Yes, the stuff froths quite a bit and has a tenacious scent.
Have found for a full 5kg load in the Miele or Lavamat to use no more than 15ml or less, it varies by load size and soil level. That cap is obviously geared for dosing in large American "HE" or whatever top loading washers. Have both a bottle of the German Persil gel and American version side by side in my laundry area. The cap for the latter is vastly larger than former. Using a full or even half cap of the American version is sure to cause issues with froth and rinsing IMHO. Scent wise again if the right amount is used things aren't "that" bad. Far more noticeable than Tide liquid, and that is saying something. | ||
| Post# 894917 , Reply# 93 8/21/2016 at 12:39 (2,797 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Using way too much. Use less, get less frothing, and a nice mild fresh scent. | ||
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Post# 894919 , Reply# 94 8/21/2016 at 12:43 (2,797 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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"I can't imagine what it would do in a boil-wash cycle"
Ken, you`re not the only American here on AW.org who can`t imagine so I decided to take pictures of a boil wash cycle with German Persil today. Can tell you it`s right the opposite of what you`d expect. While it is quite sudsy when the water heats up from cold to hot the suds collapse once the water gets really hot. Actually all European detergents behave more or less in this way. It might be different in extremly soft water conditions, or in cases of severe overdose, and of course American Persil might be different as well. Picture #1 was taken when the water was warm. Picture #2 was taken right after the heater had cut off at 89°C (192°F) | ||
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Post# 894935 , Reply# 95 8/21/2016 at 14:59 (2,797 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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89C I found that the range between 50C and about 75C is the actual suds range of most detergents. Beyond that, most suds collapse. However, the interim spins on boil washes have a higher tendency to sudslock conditions as the extracted water is usualy somewhere in that range, even with a cool down. | ||
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Post# 894956 , Reply# 96 8/21/2016 at 17:13 (2,797 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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15 ml it will be. I have to be especially careful because here in Branford, Connecticut, we happen to be blessed with very soft water.
IIRC the water in New York City, which gets piped in from 100 miles north of the city out of the beautiful Ashokan reservoir is not only the tastiest water I've ever had, but it is also soft. When we lived near Rhinebeck NY and had well water it was ridiculously hard. Disgusting to drink and very hard on the laundry. I remember that it was close to impossible to get soap to lather in the shower. Water hardness makes a bigger difference I think than any difference between brands of detergent.
When my sister lived in Strasbourg, France she told me they had boxes of some special water softener that they had to use for everything, in the washer, in the dishwasher and when cleaning anything like the floor or bathroom fixtures. I guess this is why European dishwashers have built-in salt exchangers. | ||
| Post# 895018 , Reply# 98 8/22/2016 at 06:56 (2,797 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I was using Persil 2-in-1 for my everyday detergent but while I like the scent, I didn't want it on everything. So now I keep it to use on really dirty or smelly wash loads. It is absolutely fantastic at getting out stains and odors. I just washed a car detail cloth that was black and smelled like gas, grease, brake dust, you name it. Came out completely clean and fresh smelling. It's good stuff for sure. I just prefer the Tide scents for my clothes.
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Post# 895049 , Reply# 101 8/22/2016 at 10:47 (2,797 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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SaraT, TSP (TriSodium Phosphate) (what you refer to as STP), should not be used as a laundry additive. It's too harsh (reference: your remark about holes) and generates a precipitate when binding to minerals in the water. STPP (Sodium TriPoly Phosphate) is a complex phosphate compound, gentler, and does not generate a precipitate. | ||
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Post# 895060 , Reply# 103 8/22/2016 at 12:05 (2,797 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 895436 , Reply# 104 8/24/2016 at 05:15 (2,795 days old) by sarat (USA) | ||
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Does anyone know if the Persil Universal is the 'good stuff'? | ||
| Post# 895472 , Reply# 105 8/24/2016 at 08:59 (2,795 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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I've only seen the pro Clean Persil here. | ||
| Post# 895477 , Reply# 106 8/24/2016 at 09:13 (2,795 days old) by sarat (USA) | ||
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Same here.. But eBay & Amazon carry different flavors. Some European, universal, USA, etc. | ||
| Post# 922491 , Reply# 107 2/20/2017 at 01:15 (2,615 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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| Post# 922510 , Reply# 108 2/20/2017 at 07:25 (2,615 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 946758 , Reply# 111 7/5/2017 at 05:34 (2,480 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Did several loads of linens over the weekend
Using the Persil powder swapped with Stan several months back, and Persil 2 in 1 liquid (for gel it certainly isn't IMHO).
During the ironing and after things had aired while folding and putting away can say, yes, the scents are both same. That is the "American" Persil left same scent on the linens as powder. Have figured out when it comes to using the Persil 2 in 1 it is all about dosing. Get it right and things are not only clean/fresh, but there aren't any issues with froth and or rinsing. Used barely 15ml to 25ml in the Miele of the American Persil liquid which seemed to work fine. | ||
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Post# 946759 , Reply# 112 7/5/2017 at 05:44 (2,480 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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An observation regarding Persil in general
There seems to be some sort of cult in USA about seeing how little Persil powder or whatever one can get away with using. This maybe the cause of many issues regarding performance that have cropped up here and there.
Friends of ours redid their home and went totally upscale European for the kitchen appliance wise, including a Miele washer and dryer. However they were noticing that laundry wasn't as clean as it should and or things still had a bit of pong. Well me being me opinion was asked, and I gave it...... Turns out they were using about one or two tablespoons of Persil powder. Apparently reading on various internet sites like that was the often recommended dosage... *Sigh*. The dosage up to 1/4 to 1/2 cup I said, and this did the trick. Wash was clean, white, bright and no more B.O. whiff. Yes, one knows tap water here in NYC is vastly softer than what one finds in much of Europe. But there are limits to how much detergent dosage can be reduced. Maybe with the mega-perls one could get away with dosage in the tablespoons full, but not the powder it seems. | ||
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Fresh Linen... Has anyone tried the fresh linen scent? I can't seem to find it around here, but it sounds like a scent that I might like better than the original or intense fresh. | ||
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Post# 946889 , Reply# 114 7/6/2017 at 06:53 (2,479 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 946891 , Reply# 115 7/6/2017 at 06:56 (2,479 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Thing about Europe
Is TAED bleaching activator long went off patent and is thus available to anyone, even private label detergent makers.
Here in USA P&G has a lock on NBOS technology so anyone else wanting a bleaching activator must think of something else, and or go with TAED. IIRC the Persil perls that were discontinued in USA had a TAED activated oxygen bleaching system. | ||
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Post# 946950 , Reply# 117 7/6/2017 at 21:19 (2,478 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 947067 , Reply# 118 7/7/2017 at 19:56 (2,477 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Linen Fresh
After visiting several shops over the past few days the thing cannot be found. All anyone has is the new "Pro10" formula, of which there does not seem to be a "linen fresh" scent. If there is no one thus far seems to be stocking...
If you remotely like this scent suggest getting some soon, and or finding out from local vendors if Persil will continue to have. | ||
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Post# 947232 , Reply# 119 7/8/2017 at 21:45 (2,476 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Post# 947238 , Reply# 120 7/8/2017 at 23:05 (2,476 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Just did a search online
Apparently "linen fresh" is still in the Persil line-up, but again one hasn't seen it on offer any where locally.
Indeed compared to other laundry detergents, especially the vast and bewildering array offered by P&G, Persil's offerings/shelf space seems rather puny in comparison. Popped into K-sears on Astor Place last night on a whim (happened to be in the area), and the selection of Persil was rather grim. Just two barely quarter end shelves and only two versions of the new "Power 10" or whatever. Even then one shelf was given over to the larger sized bottles. It is the same at every local shop one visits and glances down the detergent aisle. If this is the best Henkel/Dial can do they are going to have to pull their socks up if they entertain any hope of taking on P&G/Tide. I mean anywhere you go there are shelves and shelves of P&G detergents, filled alone with countless variants of Tide. | ||
| Post# 947270 , Reply# 121 7/9/2017 at 06:47 (2,476 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Too sudsy 4 me...
I have tried the American Pwrsil offering and frankly, it's just too sudsy. Micro dosing liquid detergent is not my thing. I want a detergent that does its job without creating a drama soufflé.
That being said, I think Persil has about the best packaging for a liquid detergent I have every seen. A virtually clear jug with removable spout so you can get every last drop? Yes, please! The removable spout was something a really liked about Wisk. I like the Tide Turbo HE liquid, an excellent performer, but hate the packaging. Malcolm | ||
| Post# 947276 , Reply# 122 7/9/2017 at 07:41 (2,476 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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The last bottle I bought (regular Fresh Scent) didn't have the suds issues I've seen before. Though I've only used the 2-in-1 so maybe it's different.
I just finished a bottle of Member's Mark regular detergent and for the price it's a great deal! Works well...but not as good as Persil. I absolutely love the Fresh Scent so I ordered the big 150oz bottle for my next detergent. LOL. I think it's become my favorite. Cleans excellent. | ||
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Post# 947395 , Reply# 125 7/9/2017 at 22:11 (2,475 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 947481 , Reply# 126 7/10/2017 at 13:43 (2,474 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Persil literally JUST got here.
And as said earlier, people either don't care or are very steeped in their detergent habits keeping it easy for what they know works. Persil will have to be patient and wait for people to discover them. Often by word of mouth. Just like Method. NOW people are starting to consider them on a small scale. But I've been using Method since 2007! Persil will need to wait and be persistent for a least a few years. | ||
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Post# 1194589 , Reply# 127 12/2/2023 at 18:50 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Persil intense fresh I just bought Persil intense fresh discs and I'm going to try them on my laundry, in addition to Snuggle blue sparkle. | ||
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Post# 1200622 , Reply# 128 3/2/2024 at 16:08 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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persil with snuggle I love the intense fresh smell of the Persil discs. I complement it with Snuggle blue sparkle. Of course, it gets my laundry very clean. I liken it to the Finish detergent and rinse aid of the laundry world. | ||
| Post# 1200654 , Reply# 129 3/2/2024 at 22:54 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
I used the Persil Deep Clean Intense Fresh liquid before. The first jug I had was excellent. But when I later bought the second one, I had a problem. The detergent would almost always have excessive foam except for whenever I'd be washing dark clothes. It's not from using too much detergent and the jug did say it was safe to use in HE washers. I know I had a similar experience with Tide Mountain Spring liquid where the last jug I had also created some excessive foam but I later discovered it was the non HE detergent kind. So the next time I buy that Persil detergent and if it causes excessive foam again, I won't be using that detergent again for my front loader. I'm already disappointed with Henkel as they just recently discontinued a detergent that I really liked from All.
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