Thread Number: 64559  /  Tag: Detergents and Additives
What do people think of the new Persil available in USA?
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Post# 872249   3/13/2016 at 09:47 (621 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        

I bought a bottle of the liquid Persil Pro Clean, not the 2 in 1. The scent smelled so good when I unscrewed the cap in the store.

I washed a load of white shirts in the SQ TL. It made so much suds I can't imagine it working in an HE machine. Even though the shirts were perfectly white before laundering, they came out noticeably dingy, and they still had ring around the collar. While they were drip drying, the detergent scent overpowered the house and smelled nasty.

Back in the washer they went with trusty Tide original, and as always, they came out sparkling white with no ring around the collar. But they still had that awful strong scent from the Persil, and I had to wash them again to get rid of it.

The Persil was given a new home on top of the trash bin for any taker! And P&G still gets my business.

Is it me? I just can't believe Dial is putting the Persil label on the same famed product Henckle produces in Germany and Europe. Anybody else have different or same experiences?





Post# 872251 , Reply# 1   3/13/2016 at 10:27 (621 days old) by centenialguy ()        
helicaldrive,

I Love it! Unilever now ones the Persil label. I only use one two two tablespoons.
It does a great job.


Post# 872261 , Reply# 2   3/13/2016 at 12:19 (620 days old) by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

There are several existing threads on this forum regarding this detergent,so I would do a search here and they should be found.

I have been using this detergent and have had good success with it in my front loader. I also have been using the German formula since 2003 and they both work equally well for me. Also the white Persil pro perls is the version designed explicitly for white garments although the liquid 2n1 works well for me.

Dosing is very important with this detergent so a little goes along way.



Post# 872262 , Reply# 3   3/13/2016 at 12:20 (620 days old) by nmassman44 (Boston North Shore Massachusetts)        

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I have to ask, how much Persil did you use and what temp? Another thing, if you have "ring around the collar " ...wash your neck! That said, I use Persil PowerPearls for Whites in hot water and I use it in my LG front loader and never have issue with oversudising. I also use the Persil Original Scent liquid and it runs circles around Tide Powder and liquids. And yes both detergents are used in my LG and I dose it as they say to dose. I also have Persil from Germany MegaPearls and Liquid and find no difference in performance at all. That's my experience with the Ameican version of Persil. I no longer use Tide since P&G messed around with the scent of the so called Original scent Powder...it no longer smells like it used to and don't get me started on Downy April Fresh because they changed that scent as well and it reeks to the high heavens.
Here is another thought too...if you have an issue with scents one does not like, borax is your friend. A half cup in the wash cycle and it will neutralize the offending odor.


Post# 872271 , Reply# 4   3/13/2016 at 12:47 (620 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
I LOVE the 2 in 1 Pro Clean liquid!

I love the way it cleans without additives, I love the way it does not oversuds my Maytag Dependable Care, First month I used it, I always used the "extra rinse" button, but it was not needed. I LOVE the scent. If I could come close to the scent in a cologne, you bet I'd buy it and wear it.


I love it more than Tide.


Is the German made Persil better? Arguably. I'm almost out of my German made stash to try a direct comparison.


I am just going to leave it at this: For my mix of very light to very heavy soil, for my TL American washer, and for my not hard not soft water, it is very good. I am going to keep using it.


Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 872276 , Reply# 5   3/13/2016 at 13:41 (620 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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I have yet to buy any but iirc Con Reports rated Persil 2 in 1 as #1,, Tide 2nd, and Persil  Pro Clean #3.   Maybe try the 2 in 1

 

 


Post# 872293 , Reply# 6   3/13/2016 at 14:24 (620 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Mike, **wash your neck* brutal lol
But I have found if there's a bit of ring around the collar after a hard day and sweating it will come out in a normal wash, its when its not laundered properly to begin with that causes the problems, at that point more extreme measures are needed. But that's not what this thread is about.
I like all the US persils they all do a great job no matter what I throw at them. I've read on another forum the US Pearls and liquids leave a bad scent on clothing like vomit or dead bodies, Its my opinion there must be another factor causing this for some people. Too many people have good results with this stuff for it to be the detergent.
Ya, I enjoy all the US Persils. Cheryl


Post# 872302 , Reply# 7   3/13/2016 at 15:09 (620 days old) by centenialguy ()        
Oops, my bad!

Not Unilever, the bottle say Dial, a Henkel company.
I uses an Oxyclean gel stick for wring around the collar, sans any spikes of course. Just kidding about the spikes.


Post# 872308 , Reply# 8   3/13/2016 at 15:49 (620 days old) by luxflairguy (Sumas, WA)        
Dosage?

I've used 2 Tbls of German Persil for years in my Miele W1930 with great results.  Should I use the same amount of the new Persil?  Greg


Post# 872309 , Reply# 9   3/13/2016 at 15:51 (620 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

When I bought my first bottle of Persil liquid and used it on a load of towels in my SQ it oversudsed like mad. I put it back on the shelf and didn't use it for months, pulled it out again and have been using it up and not one single load has oversudsed, or really produced any froth actually. I always follow the dosing instructions.

I at first couldn't stand the scent on my clothes but after about a week I started getting used to it and haven't had an issue since. I would buy it again.


Post# 872311 , Reply# 10   3/13/2016 at 16:09 (620 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        
Smell like vomit

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The net is full of stories about clothes smelling fine right out of the washer but not so fresh anymore once the clothes are dry, in severe cases like vomit or worse.
This phenomenon is not linked to a particular brand of detergent.
It´s all about underestimating dirt levels and body chemistry.
The culprit is a build up of rancid body oils in clothes which have not been removed sufficiantly in previous washes.
Remedy is to use the maximum recommended dose of a good detergent, preferably no cold water and the longest wash cycles the clothes can withstand.
A mild oxygen bleach is beneficial as well but for success it`s most important to increase the detergent load considerably.

As with any build up it will take some time to reverse the damage !

I`ve been there, done it, learned my lesson. Got "that" T-shirt just smelling fine again.
The only explanation that comes to my mind why some people complain about Persil could be previously used detergents might have been better at masking residual odors from bad washing habits with heavy scents.

There also shouldn`t be any need to rewash seasonal clothes form last year if laundry is done right in the first place.




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Post# 872330 , Reply# 11   3/13/2016 at 18:17 (620 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Problem with using lavish amounts of the American Persil

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Liquid and even the Henkel gel is the scent! It is so powerful and lingers that it is like one's laundry has become an air freshener.

Find the American worse then German on this matter, but still equally both are offenders.

As a test did one load of shirts (whites) in Tide liquid, another (colors) in Persil (German)gel. After ironing and airing overnight the Tide shirts barely had a whiff (which is saying something knowing P&G). Meanwhile the Persil washed shirts still packed a powerful scent punch.

There is of course the Persil (American) cap is larger (IMHO) compared to the German so people are already using more product.



Post# 872344 , Reply# 12   3/13/2016 at 19:04 (620 days old) by centenialguy ()        
I don't measure with the cap.

I use one to two tablespoons depending on the load size, cycle, and soil level.
Yes, even on a deep water wash, only two tablespoons.
Usng any more is wastefull and may require a second rinse.


Post# 872350 , Reply# 13   3/13/2016 at 19:16 (620 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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I love it too but def have to test the dosing. In my GE Large capacity FF, I use 1/4 cup or a little less for a full load. Much less for half or small loads.

Post# 872400 , Reply# 14   3/13/2016 at 22:58 (620 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

It's excellent detergent, but I'm not terribly fond of the scent choices. It cleans better than Tide in my experience, but the scents are all strong, and not particularly pleasant IMO. A scent free version would be nice. Then it would be unbeatable. I like scents, just not the scents Persil offers.

Post# 872408 , Reply# 15   3/14/2016 at 00:02 (620 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Scent free laundry products

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Do not seem to be high on most European countries laundry market. *LOL*

Each time am in France search high and low for something totally *sans* and come up empty handed. Germany does not seem to be much better IIRC. Persil sensitive at one time was scent free. Then some fool decided to change things....


Post# 872416 , Reply# 16   3/14/2016 at 01:12 (620 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Crazy world.  People complaining about allergies to fragrances, bans in  hospitals and doctors offices yet people are bombarding their homes with all these overly stinky products. Personally not allergic but I don't like them I just want to try the Persil to see how it works. I'll put up with the stink for that,  But other than that I don't want any stinky candles, plug ins, geeze even Palmolive dish soap stinks something fierce now. LOL  


Post# 872425 , Reply# 17   3/14/2016 at 03:49 (620 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        
Persil problems

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Apparently they've had some issues with not testing?  

 

The formula was literally eating holes in peoples clothing.  surprised

 

 



CLICK HERE TO GO TO delaneymeegan's LINK

Post# 872427 , Reply# 18   3/14/2016 at 04:01 (620 days old) by nmassman44 (Boston North Shore Massachusetts)        

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One has to remember that Persil in the UK is owned by Unilever and not by Henkel so the formulas are completely different. They don't even smell the same. I have used the German and UK versions...there is a British grocer nearby that sells UK Persil from time to time. The scents are not alike and performance of both is quite good but I think that the German version is better..this was before Henkel rolled out the North American version of Persil.

Post# 872430 , Reply# 19   3/14/2016 at 04:56 (620 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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I haven't tried the American Persil so cannot comment.

Maybe as it is basically a European formulation it performs better in hottest water the garment can stand.

I can say I'm very happy with the performance and the scent of our (European) Persil liquid and megapearls.

I personaly would never use a scent-free detergent. But this is just my personal preference.

Have tried some rare European sent-free detergent and I was extremly disappointed. The laundry was clean I guess ..."although the feeling said no it isn't"... but the scent was, how can I say, not awful but chemically acidly strange, like the laundry wasn't clean at all or washed in just plain water. I love when the laundry is visibly clean but also with an obvious and concrete scent of detergent.


Post# 872437 , Reply# 20   3/14/2016 at 06:28 (620 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Thank You Mike for your thoughts regarding detergent vomit smells, sounds reasonable. I will say though some of these people I know use Miele's and enjoy water temps exceding 140 &even 160 F.. use a few T. Persil and STPP, so who know, I know I'm NOT going to tell them perhaps their clothes have never been cleaned properly to begin with lol. Cheryl

Post# 872438 , Reply# 21   3/14/2016 at 06:31 (620 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        
Low Scent formula

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American Persil does have a "sensitive" formula with a lighter scent. The liquid is a cloudy white color and has a soft pleasant scent. I haven't tried it yet though.

Post# 872441 , Reply# 22   3/14/2016 at 06:48 (620 days old) by centenialguy ()        
Joe,

yes I smelled the white formula, and found it the same as the blue pro clean scent.
My sniffer is more sensitive depending on the weather though when my sinuses may be partially blocked.


Post# 872442 , Reply# 23   3/14/2016 at 06:52 (620 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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You did really?? I thought it was way less intense lol. I like the regular scent...especially on my sheets. They still smell after 2 weeks and that's great with me, but I'm not sensitive to smells at all.

Post# 872449 , Reply# 24   3/14/2016 at 07:22 (620 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

Yeh I'm pretty up to my neck with 'stink doctor' detergents. Even "Tide Original" is a lie. It's not "original", it just doesn't smell like flowers, trees, fruit, perfume, bubble gum, institutional floor cleaner, scorpion armpits like everything else does.

Hey Palmasiladialauniprocter, if you wanna go flavor wild, howzbout chicken fried steak? Bacon? Bacon-flavored ranch dressing? An ethnic favorite, pig intestines and cabbage boiled in vinegar? Mcdonalds frenchfries? And fer gawdsake, if you're gonna make bubblegum flavor dryer sheets, use Bazooka not DubbleBubble. DUH!

Speaking of dryers, my Kenmore gas got so hot it scorched the scents to where they smelt burnt. Until I throttled-back the burner valve. Could that be what's making current stench additives smell like puke? You'd like to think a nest of stink geniuses woulda thought of that but as SNL told us years ago, we live in the age of lowered expectations.

Back to US general-retail (Dial) Persil, if I had any confidence AT ALL that it worked and smelled like my generously-donated sample of Henkel/Miele/Euro Persil, I'd snap it up.


Post# 872452 , Reply# 25   3/14/2016 at 07:54 (620 days old) by centenialguy ()        
Joe,

you're lucky then about not being allergic.
My niece had to have a custom blended epi pen and shots for her allergies.
They had to adopt their cat away.
They got a Havanese dog, and she is not bothered by her at all.


Post# 872463 , Reply# 26   3/14/2016 at 08:56 (620 days old) by centenialguy ()        
Cheryl,

I don't even know if a Miele still offers a boil wash option on their machines.
Even US machines have temperature limit thermistors in them to save energy.
Even an inexpensive Hotpoint.
That said, they tell us our clothes are really not very dirty anymore, as fewer of us have very dirty jobs and such.
But, in recent years, there has been a rise in bed bugs. Just my two cents worth.
Do you ever visit Bergmans Hardware?


Post# 872467 , Reply# 27   3/14/2016 at 09:32 (620 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Carmine, Bergmans hardware is about 3 miles from my house, lol, once in awhile I'm in there..so you know the area? The Miele I'm refering to is the Little Giant. Cheryl

Post# 872468 , Reply# 28   3/14/2016 at 09:36 (620 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
So funny how we all have some different experiences

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For years I had to stop using Persil because of my allergies to fragrances.  I used the EU versions because it was not offered here.  I bought them through I think ABT, I don't exactly remember but because the scent was so strong I had to stop using them.

 

When they were released here I decided to try again because I really do like the scent.  Well for whatever reason these versions don't bother me and I can see a noticeable improvement in how well they clean.  My whites were kind of dingy before I used the Persil.  Maybe the "FREE" versions don't have the same cleaning power I don't really know.

 

What I do know is my whites are back to screaming white!!  There was a huge difference in the first load.  I wash my whites in warm water in my BOSCH F/L and used about 1/2 of the capful.  My towels and sheets I wash on the Sanitary cycle which I think is 161 degrees in this machine.  I don't even need to use the OxiClean powder any more.  I suppose there are many variables that affect how well the detergent works and I guess I'm lucky to have just the right combination because I am very pleased with this new version.


Post# 872470 , Reply# 29   3/14/2016 at 09:47 (620 days old) by centenialguy ()        
Cheryl,

I'm not Carmine, but we are from the same county I do believe.
A gal I used to work with's uncle owned Bergmans.
I was born in the burgh, and we lived in Plum borough until I was six. Just a stones throw from Monroeville as a crow flies.


Post# 872487 , Reply# 30   3/14/2016 at 11:50 (620 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Centenialguy, I get to Monroeville often actually weekly we make a trip into children's hospital so we usually stop in Monroeville.
I wish I could get into the storage at Bergmans just to see if they have any old detergents stored there, lol, that store has been there for many years, I'm turning 60 and I know its been there throughout my life. Anyway nice to meet you. Cheryl


Post# 872496 , Reply# 31   3/14/2016 at 13:32 (619 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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Gas dryer drama.  Using a gas dryer will leave a certain undesirable smell on one's clothing.  If you're picky about the way your clothes smell, and don't want them discolored from the gas, get an electric dryer.

 

So yeah, when you combine the perfume in the detergent with the soot from burning gas, you will get a most likely undesirable smell.

 

Another thing to consider, that they don't tell you, is WHERE your dryer is.  If it's in a musty basement, the dryer is going to suck in all that musty smell and filter your clothes with it.

 

Also, if the dryer is in your living envelope, it will pick up odors you have there.  Do you smoke, have pets, burn wood or coal, cook Indian food or other foods that have a lot of smell?  All these will get sucked into the dryer and affect the outcome.

 

Over the years, with all the appliances I've had, one thing is for sure: electric dryers are generally clean.  Every gas dryer that I've added to my collection, has always had burn marks and left the former White drum, browned.  The brown color residue is heaviest coming from the heat duct.  Gas dryers are disgusting.

 

 


Post# 872497 , Reply# 32   3/14/2016 at 14:05 (619 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
delaneymeegan

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You will more than likely be crucified for the gas dryer statement.  But before your death I just want to say:  I agree with you.  Even a well tuned gas dryer has a smell about it, and yellows your clothes. 

 

This is why my mother would only have electric, which is why I have only electric.

 

 


Post# 872503 , Reply# 33   3/14/2016 at 14:57 (619 days old) by liamy1 (-)        
delaneymeegan

In the video you have linked, it is telling about a problem UK Persil had when they launched a new formula in 1994 - Persil Power.

It was a mess, they did make it too powerful for domestic use, but after they ditched it and launched New Generation Persil, all went back to normal, and Persil was able to hang on to being the Market leading detergent in terms of sales.

Having had the brand since 1909, Persil, today, is still the UKs best selling detergent (around 30% market share).

As mentioned up thread, Persil UK has always been manufactured by Unilever, and having used both the Henkel version of German Persil and our versions, they are 2 different detergents, both excellent agreed, but different (side note, Henkel don't have any detergents on our market).

But rest assured, the problems will not affect USAs Persil in anyway, as it doesn't affect it here now, where the problem happened, for the most part, it is completely forgotten.

From a marketing insight, I would love to know how/what they did to damage control and protect the brand, as it really is all but forgotten. Unless it was just purely customer loyalty and people forgave them and just kept buying it.


Post# 872505 , Reply# 34   3/14/2016 at 15:03 (619 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Well I went outta my way the our local Loblaws owned Superstore this morning, the chain that is apparently carrying Persil.. none to be found   darn.  


Post# 872507 , Reply# 35   3/14/2016 at 15:30 (619 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
It wouldn't matter to me...

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Within reason it wouldn't matter what they did (obviously as long as it was legal) if they fixed it and the product worked well I'd still use it. 

 

From a marketing insight, I would love to know how/what they did to damage control and protect the brand

 

It works well for me and for me that's all it really takes.


Post# 872518 , Reply# 36   3/14/2016 at 16:48 (619 days old) by centenialguy ()        
Cheryl,

Likewise to meet you!
Folks from Pa.are so friendly!
I was operated on at Pittsburgh Childrens for congenital hernia in 1965.
I remember being sore for two weeks afterward.
My mom got be some new matchbox cars. She worked as a nurse at the old eye and ear and mercy hospital back until 1959.


Post# 872520 , Reply# 37   3/14/2016 at 16:56 (619 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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I've never used Persil, but if Brits love it, I will try it.  And like people, companies sometimes make a mistake or have a problem with a product, but if they learn from it and adjust accordingly, what more can we ask for. 

 

I saw Persil the other day, when I was buying detergent.  I want to get a sample size to try out.  It has to work in my front loader.

 

 

 

As for the gas dryer comments- I stand by them.  I can take pictures of my equally aged dryers, both gas and electric, roughly 30-40 years old.  The electric will typically have wear marks but you can see the original color of the drum.   Then, go to the gas dryer,  you'll have the same wear marks, but the entire drum has a varied brown haze to it.  It's typically darkest where the heat comes out of the vent.  On a white dryer, you can blatantly see the differences in the paint color from the door and the edges of the door that aren't exposed to the drum.   And there is always the lingering petroleum smell.

 

I also shop charity shops for linens and sometimes clothing.  You can find clothing items that distinctly have been laundered in a gas dryer.  They are more faded, the have the smell, and the clothing seems rough.  

 

If you have white sheets or towel, and routinely launder in a gas dryer, they will eventually turn beige, not because of age, but from being tainted by fossil fuel gas.

 

See, clothing manufacturers aren't going to make an issue with this stuff for good reason.  Anything that will wear out clothing faster, and THUS cause people to BUY MORE, well, that's what it's all about for them.  Fly-by-night.

I don't care what manufacturer's want.  I want things that are going to last.  I have linens and clothing that are 20+ years old and I don't want them disintegrating.

 

 


Post# 872531 , Reply# 38   3/14/2016 at 17:59 (619 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Persil - Unilever vs. Henkel

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In European and a few other markets (though not yet North America) where each version is sold they are TOL laundry detergents. Though various consumer testing groups in a few countries have found other products give similar or better results for less money. This also will vary by type of product (gel, liquid, powder, etc...)

Unilever and Henkel only share the name Persil, period. Their respective formulas long have since gone their separate ways.

Have recited this story before so to keep it simple....

Henkel Germany sought to expand their Persil washing powder which was then still the famous soap, perborate and silicate blend that revolutionized cleaning laundry. Rather than set up factories and so forth in the UK the formula for Persil was licensed to a British soap maker (name escapes me at the moment), who was in turn purchased by Lever Bros. Lever Brothers became Unilever and there you are....

Over the years both sides have attempted to buy out the other's rights to Persil brand but neither will budge.

Another member noted awhile back that the German/Henkel versions of Persil contain more surfactants than the British/Unilever. This would not surprise me nor would any other differences in formulas.


Post# 872540 , Reply# 39   3/14/2016 at 18:39 (619 days old) by centenialguy ()        
Laundress,

I looked up Persil history, and there is a statue of her in the town where it was founded.

Post# 872555 , Reply# 40   3/14/2016 at 20:33 (619 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Statue of Weisse Dame

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Isn't of "Persil" which is named after its key ingredients *PERborate and SILicate*, but of the White Lady.

The White Lady much like the mythical Phoebe Snow of the Lackawanna Rail Road was meant to symbolize purity and cleanliness.

Weisse Dame was the first advertising campaign for Henkel's Persil and still remains one of the most potent and loved symbols for that product in Germany.

www.persil.de/de/ueber-persil/per...

www.henkeldiversity.com/2012/12/1...

Over the years from her initial launch in 1920's through 1960's the Weisse Dame changed her frock as fashions did as well.

www.google.com/searchQUES...


Post# 872557 , Reply# 41   3/14/2016 at 20:38 (619 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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I have tried several if not all the Persil detergents.  The only one that I was not fond of was the pearls.  I noticed in a few washings my whites had grayed.   As for the smell it does linger, but it's not offensive to me.  

 

The intensive fresh has a very nice scent, and just barely detectable in towels after the dryer.  The PODS seem to have the strongest scent of all, but not objectionable, kind of a manly smell, not flowery or sweet.  

 

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Delaney-

As I said I agree about gas, I wonder if it is more the leak detection smell they put in the gas or if it is the petroleum smell.  In any case I smell it on clothes, as well as I can go into a home with a gas stove and can tell they have gas as there is that smell.  

 

 


Post# 872599 , Reply# 42   3/15/2016 at 05:23 (619 days old) by centenialguy ()        
Yes laundress!

My camera is not connected, or I'd show you the billboard animation photo of her in white with an umbrella and a turquoise background on the side of one of my HO scale buildings on my model RR layout.

Post# 872619 , Reply# 43   3/15/2016 at 06:58 (619 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        
About the gas dryer smell

With the valve wide open the wash-- especially sheets-- came out smelling burnt. Turning the valve down ~one quarter reduced the problem below the point it was objectionable.

Natgas doesn't really have a smell when burned. Burning also destroys the leak-detect additive. EITHER type of heat can expose laundry to smells from intake air. Working this problem convinced me that the detergent scent agents were being rancidified/oxidized by excess heat.

Most places, gas (heat) is so much cheaper than electric it's preferable to solve the overheat problem than switch. Which should also solve the drum discoloration, though I wasn't dealing with that.


Post# 878661 , Reply# 44   4/26/2016 at 17:18 (576 days old) by jerrod6 (United States of America)        
Revised 2n1 formula?

I bought my second 50+ load bottle of Persil 2n1 liquid today.  When I got home I noticed small modifications to the front label mainly in color.

 

When I flipped it around to the back I noticed something else.  The back label contains the words "low suds, clean rinse formula".  I also took a sniff of the bottle and the first comparisons seemed to be that the new formula had less of the same scent, but on my second sniff I can't tell any difference ---so not sure about that--although I don't have an issue with the original scent.

 

I don't have problems with suds in the original but I am use to dosing small amounts of Persil German formula liquids to prevent them from oversudsing, but perhaps this revised formula will address concerns some have had about oversudsing and rinsing.

 

First pic is front of old and new bottles - new on the right.

Second pic is back of old formula

Third pic of back of revised formula


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Post# 878696 , Reply# 45   4/26/2016 at 20:53 (576 days old) by Artcurus (Odessa)        

Currently experimenting with Persil Pro Clean and Gain Fabric softener. So far I really like it, the Persil cleans real well, and does not oversud. However, I will my machine is not HE, and runs hot water directly from the tap, though I usually wash in warm. Don't know if that makes a difference.

I will say that by itself, the Persil scent seems to fade a lot quicker.

I also don't like the pearls.



Post# 878732 , Reply# 46   4/27/2016 at 06:23 (576 days old) by jerrod6 (United States of America)        
The perls

This is the formula that contains a lot of oxygen bleach so if you want to use a detergent to bleach whites the Perls has it.

I use both formulas and they work well for me. I checked the Persil Pro web site and see that the Perls bottle no longer has the spout, however if you want one you can order it.


Post# 878733 , Reply# 47   4/27/2016 at 06:33 (576 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
When a 24

year old is still living at home, and only washes his sheets once per month, I appreciated the Persil scent in "my" laundry, as the Arm and Hammer fragrance free I also use wasn't taking care of the "cheese" odor left behind after the kid does his wash. Last week, he had a rash before he washed them.
I'm lost for any more words or advice for the young man. I tried to help give him some common sense since 2005 when he lost his mom to breast cancer and had to move in.
I don't get it. A 4.0 grade point average in calculus and physics, but when he over flows the toilet, doesn't know which way to turn the water shut off valve.
I mean, the shower also has separate hot and cold valves on the wall.
Oh well, we must have done something right. He graduated from a private technical university, has never been in any trouble, and has a nice steady girl friend who is a soon to be CPA.


Post# 878801 , Reply# 48   4/27/2016 at 16:09 (575 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Well it finally arrived in the stores around here a couple of weeks ago (3 or 4 different versions)  so I picked up a bottle of the ProClean 2 in 1. I don't mind the smell, it's fairly light and to be honest I can't say as it cleans any better than the bargain basement on sale $1.99 Ajax or Arm & Hammer stuff I've been using for years. Since it's designed for use in both regular TL's and HE machine (mines a vintage filter flo) the concentration may have something to do with things. Plus my clothes don't get all that dirty.  I sometimes have a problem with pit stains but I pretreat those. 


Post# 878810 , Reply# 49   4/27/2016 at 17:19 (575 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

I wasn't overly impressed with it. I used the Persil Pro-Clean MegaPearls, and didn't think it was worth the price. When I used it up, I went back to the Sears Ultra Plus, which cleans nearly as good at a much lower price.

Post# 878829 , Reply# 50   4/27/2016 at 19:30 (575 days old) by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

In my front loader I use about 1 to 2 tablespoons of the Perls when I wash whites and so it lasts about a year and works well for me.

I checked the Pro Perls web site today and see it seems to be reformulated as well. Seems like more and different ingredients.

Last thing I will say.


Post# 879930 , Reply# 51   5/7/2016 at 23:26 (565 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
I take back everything negative I said about Persil

Curiosity got the better of me and I bought a bottle of 2 in1 and the Power Pearls, and I tried again.

The first time I tried it again, I had an oversuds in the SQ FL and the load did not get clean, as with any oversuds. Once I figured out the right dose, I started getting fantastic results. My window washing and housecleaning rags are noticeably cleaner after a few washes. It seems easier on colors than Tide, and rinses out way easier. In the FL a dab of 2in1 in the pre wash cup, 1/2 teaspoon Power Pearls in the main wash cup and a scant Tablespoon Clorox chlorine bleach, plus some extra rinses, yields dazzling white tidy whities. (That's with a water softener, BTW -- probably more would be needed in unsoftened water or with really big loads.)

Unlike the first time, I've never again had an unpleasant or overpowering scent with these 2 formulas either. If there's any scent left, it's very subtle and is like the fresh, outdoor line-dried scent reminiscent of childhood -- nothing like the scent of the detergent itself. To me the detergent itself has a kind of cherry scent, on the masculine side compared to the others, and then during washing it smells different, sort of like bananas. It's interesting how it changes. Either that or there's something way wrong with my sniffer. I dunno. A lady in the store opened a bottle and said it smelled like a Christmas tree. I don't smell any pine scent but she might very well be right.


Post# 879932 , Reply# 52   5/8/2016 at 00:19 (565 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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Glad you're getting great results.

For me the attraction of the Power Pearls is that chlorine bleach is not needed at all. Using it probably cancels the utility of the enzymes and the oxygen bleaching system that are the main things you're paying for.

Good points about the scent, which, more than most, seems to be perceived differently by different people.


Post# 879950 , Reply# 53   5/8/2016 at 07:35 (565 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Is there a chair I can tell this to?

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Oxygen and chlorine bleach cancel each other out, use one or the other. Again Cheer detergent famous "color-guard" was nothing more than sodium perborate. It was added in small enough amounts not to bleach colors but to counteract the chlorine found in most tap water.

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Post# 879980 , Reply# 54   5/8/2016 at 12:52 (564 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Thanks for the tip

I'll follow your advice

Post# 880071 , Reply# 55   5/9/2016 at 05:15 (564 days old) by iej (Ireland)        

As far as I know, Unilever only owns the rights to the Persil brand in the UK, Republic of Ireland, France and New Zealand

Persil is the premium brand in the three English speaking markets, but in France it's used as the brandname for a range of natural soap based products which I haven't seen in other markets. French Persil is sort of a premium natural-fragrance product based around Savon de Marseilles.

Unilever typically uses Skip and Omo as premium brands and Surf as a second tier. Although in France, Omo is the exact same product as UK/Ireland Surf i.e. second tier and highly fragranced.

I don't really know what they're up to with Surf anymore. It's all about perfume and it has been shifted to a much more premium position (it used to be all about value) but they have kept it as a single-enzyme bio which probably isn't nearly as good at cleaning as its sister products in the Persil range.

Also in the UK and Ireland, Persil non-bio is a totally different formula. The liquids smell a bit like Dove shampoo.

Persil Powder in the UK and Ireland also smells more like Dove soap bars than anything any other fragrance I can think of. They probably share some common Unilever fragrance lab components or something.

The Persil Bio 'small and mighty' liquids have a kind of sweet, clean synthetic smell. It's hard to describe but it's not floral and it's not that clawing either. Quite pleasant but it's very sweet.


Post# 880089 , Reply# 56   5/9/2016 at 09:45 (564 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

I bought a bottle of PowerPerls online from Walmart.com, shortly after its introduction, but never bothered to try it until I saw this thread. I did a load of colors (mostly pastel shirts and light colored khakis) on Warm in an Electrolux 60 FL, using Normal cycle. I use 1-2 tbsp (15-30 ml) per load and measure using a coffee scoop.

No oversudsing. Scent is there but no worse than Persil perls brought home from Germany. Cleans nicely, as well as German Persil Megaperls. I have virtually no white clothes, save for 2-3 white shirts and the only things i wash with hot water are towels and bed linens. I realize that the US PowerPerl product is likely similar to Universal MegaPerls in German (i.e. intended for whites rather than colored loads) but I have had no problems with fading using the supposedly white US product (but I wash clothing on warm, not hot.

I do find the bottle oddly shaped and not easy to use. I simply empty the bottle into a large Glad plastic food storage container. Lid keeps it airtight, and it stacks neatly without risk of tipping over. I use a coffee scoop to measure, which is not practical with the original bottle design.


Post# 880099 , Reply# 57   5/9/2016 at 13:10 (563 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Scent of the 2in1 liquid is more intense than the perls.  I measure it with a 1 / 2 tablespoon cup from Pepto.  Ran across mention recently of a new liquid scent, Extra Fresh Linen, for the ProClean Power-Liquid (green color label).


Post# 880165 , Reply# 58   5/10/2016 at 08:19 (563 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Strange

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Can find this Persil liquid/gel everywhere in NYC now, even Shoprite supermarkets seem to stock it; however no one as the perls aside from K-Sears on Astor Place.

Post# 880183 , Reply# 59   5/10/2016 at 10:38 (563 days old) by marky_mark (Sitges, Barcelona)        

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I've used many types of electric vented (Euro and US) and condenser dryers.  I've used one heat pump dryer (my current Miele, which I've had for two years).  I used to have a Maytag Neptune gas dryer.

 

I have to say that I never noticed any difference in the smell or feel of clothes from that gas dryer and results were excellent (except it didn't reverse and thus balled bedding, driving me nuts).  The only time I could detect any kind of combustion (or non-electric type of smell) was on opening the dryer mid-cycle and sticking my head pretty much inside the drum.  Whites seemed to stay just as gleaming white as I'd expect from an electric dryer.  Having said that, I only lived with it for a year so I didn't get the opportunity to see any potential long-term effects on old fabrics over many years.  Perhaps it also depends on the model of dryer and whether it is correctly adjusted and functioning properly e.g. burning cleanly and at the right temperature etc.


Post# 880516 , Reply# 60   5/12/2016 at 23:04 (560 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Now Persil really wins the prize

I offered to do a dear friend's laundry. He's 85, can't carry a laundry basket anymore, and needs to go into assisted living. OMG. These were the smelliest, dirtiest clothes I've ever seen. Black dirt rings around the pockets, etc. Revoltingly dirty. I used the full recommended dose of Persil and then some. Very warm and in some cases hot water. It did not oversuds.

And the clothes came sparkling clean, and all that extra detergent came out with just one extra rinse. Tide or Cheer would never have gotten those clothes that clean, and doses that heavy would have been very difficult to rinse out. And the colors are bright and not faded.

Simply amazing product. I am totally sold.


Post# 880691 , Reply# 61   5/14/2016 at 01:10 (559 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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Very nice of you to do it for him, and the great results should be a hint to those who are holding back from trying them!

Post# 880698 , Reply# 62   5/14/2016 at 05:16 (559 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Have no problem with the performance of the American Persil

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Just am bowled over by the scent. Rather not have my laundry reeking of scent several days after laundering. It clashes with Ma Griffe!

Post# 880710 , Reply# 63   5/14/2016 at 07:33 (559 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Launderess, perhaps you should try the FreshScent? hahahahahaha. Ma Griffe, omg...too funny.

Regular Persil does have a nice smell (to me anyway). But I don't think it's my preference. I do have to try the FreshScent to see how I like that..I tend to like "sweeter-fresh" smells like Wisk and Cheer...and the A&H with Oxi Fresh Scent. I'm loving the Mexican Ariel too...it's basically Tide Mountain Spring...smells very nice.


Post# 880782 , Reply# 64   5/14/2016 at 16:39 (558 days old) by nmassman44 (Boston North Shore Massachusetts)        

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So the other day I was looking at my carpet and thought my gawd I have to clean this. I had a heavy traffic area that normally is a pain in the backside to clean and I thought of the people on Facebook that said that they washed their carpet with Persil. So I used it in the carpet cleaner and was pleasantly surprised how well it did.

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Post# 880784 , Reply# 65   5/14/2016 at 16:51 (558 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Just make sure you rinse well - otherwise your carpet could soon be as dirty as before.

Post# 880800 , Reply# 66   5/14/2016 at 18:22 (558 days old) by nmassman44 (Boston North Shore Massachusetts)        

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I rinsed it three times since I knew about the residue possibility. The first pass was more like a shampooing and when I was done doing that, I rinsed out the soap and that's when it pulled everything out of the rug. I was in shock how dirty the water was, and I wash this rug twice a year.

Post# 882090 , Reply# 67   5/25/2016 at 10:41 (548 days old) by dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA))        
LOVED it

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I am a very loyal Tide buyer which I use mostly for my whites. I recently took advantage of the Persil coupon in my Sunday Pittsburgh Post Gazette and was shocked at it's abilities. I think it is even better than Tide.

Post# 882109 , Reply# 68   5/25/2016 at 13:23 (547 days old) by liamy1 (-)        
Bleach and detergent

I use chlorine bleach with powdered detergent, and so far have not discovered any ill effects, however, I think I will switch to liquid when bleaching from now on.

However, I did come across an article, which actually suggested that they have re-engineered the Subtilisin enzyme, so that it will NOT be deactivated by bleach, and as Subtilisin is used for protein break down, it can still do it's work alongside bleach.

I'm not professing too much. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable may know more on this.

I definitely know Subtilisin is used in UK Persil, unsure on any others, as you mainly see the Protease enzyme listed.


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Post# 882112 , Reply# 69   5/25/2016 at 13:26 (547 days old) by liamy1 (-)        
For...

Anyone so interested, this is the full ingredients list for UK (Unilever) Persil, you will see Subtilisin listed in place of Protease.

As IEJ said, Unilever's UK Surf, contains only one enzyme, which is Protease.


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Post# 885767 , Reply# 70   6/17/2016 at 21:16 (524 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
power caps

I just bought the power caps. They smell nice and strong.I do have a brother who comes home in stinky clothes. Then again, maybe that won't even cut it!

Post# 887687 , Reply# 71   7/1/2016 at 10:49 (511 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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"From a marketing insight, I would love to know how/what they did to damage control"

Liam, that's an interesting question. I'd also be intrigued to know what damage control was done, especially as the 1983 launch of New System Persil is still fresh in people's minds - the bio vs. non-bio debate never seemed to go away.

The issue with Persil Power was the an enzyme catalyst was added to the formula. It actually made it very very effective at cleaning, but at the cost of the clothing - it literally dissolved the clothes where the dirt had been. If you'd had particularly sweaty underarms for example, the enzyme action went into overdrive and made holes where the sweat was. I suppose that's one way of getting rid of stains...:P


Post# 887688 , Reply# 72   7/1/2016 at 10:56 (511 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Nothing to do with US Persil, but Unilever Persil Bio has been my favourite detergent for years. I use it on pretty much everything.

There's something about Persil in the UK. It's so recognisable has been a regular part of British life for generations.

All my grandparents used Persil. I will never forget the smell of high suds Persil boiling up in my great Grandma's Hotpoint Supermatic.


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Post# 887701 , Reply# 73   7/1/2016 at 13:07 (510 days old) by liamy1 (-)        
I suppose that's one way of getting rid of stains...:P

Haha yep, there can't possibly be a stain in the fabric, as there is no fabric. Lol :)

Post# 887718 , Reply# 74   7/1/2016 at 16:32 (510 days old) by liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Do you think Persil is better than Ariel? I remember in the 90's Persil was the recommended detergent by most washer manufacturers now its Ariel. What does the bio powder smell like? Been years since I used it and if it smelt like green box Ariel id avoid it.

Post# 887719 , Reply# 75   7/1/2016 at 16:33 (510 days old) by liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

When I mean better I mean in terms of stain removal, colour protection, foam control etc.

Post# 887721 , Reply# 76   7/1/2016 at 16:45 (510 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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It doesn't smell anything Ariel. I find wash results to be fantastic. Lower bleach content than Ariel but higher surfactant content and it has 4 enzymes in it, so it's a fantastic all rounder. I find Ariel smells too strong (likely due to the inclusion of benzyl salicylate) and can be quite harsh.

Post# 887722 , Reply# 77   7/1/2016 at 16:50 (510 days old) by liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

That's good to know then.

Post# 887869 , Reply# 78   7/2/2016 at 18:24 (509 days old) by Wishwash (Illinois)        
I tried it.

Tried Persil liquid last year. It cleaned fine, but I personally could not stand the smell. I prefer something with a "normal" scent like Tide or Arm & Hammer.

Post# 888114 , Reply# 79   7/4/2016 at 19:19 (507 days old) by nmassman44 (Boston North Shore Massachusetts)        

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Wishwash, which flavor of Persil did you use? Tide liquids are quite stinky to my nose, and I don't use Arm &Hammer since it really doesn't clean well , in my opinion. I use Persil Original scent and the 2 in 1 Persil and I find the scent quite nice and clothes smell clean. I used to use Tide Powder HE Original and I loved the scent, but P&G went ahead and putz'd around with the scent and it smells nothing like it used to.

Post# 888149 , Reply# 80   7/5/2016 at 02:35 (507 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I love Persil's smell, especially on sheets.

Post# 888179 , Reply# 81   7/5/2016 at 07:57 (507 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Persil does clean very well I have to say. I am still going through a big bottle I bought a while ago. I agree, it smells great on sheets! Very fresh. Though I think I like the Tide scents a little better....I just bought some regular Tide Pods and I really do like them. haha

Post# 888353 , Reply# 82   7/6/2016 at 05:45 (506 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Clear Jug

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Persil's packaging in the see through bottle with a removable spout so every last drop can be used is genius. While I do like the Tide Turbo liquid, their jugs couldn't be made any worse. Want the last dose out of Tide, gotta take a box cutter to the top of the bottle, just a bad design!

Malcolm


Post# 888390 , Reply# 83   7/6/2016 at 09:41 (506 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

I have used Persil Color Megaperls, brought home from trips to Germany, for years with superb results. As a test, I recently bought some Persil Power Perls from walmart.com. These are marketed as a "universal" powder (supposedly good for both whites and colors), in part because Americans aren't accustomed to having to buy two sorts of detergent.

My "work clothing" consists of chino trousers in various colors (khaki, olive green, navy blue) and surgical scrub tops, all of which are dark colors: green, wine, navy, etc. Since the fabrics, washing needs, and drying needs are similar, I was my work clothes together, without color sorting. Several weeks ago, I began trying US Persil rather than my German supply. So far, the loads are just as clean. I have one wine-colored top that possibly is fading a bit; I have an identical top that I am keeping in the closet as a "control" to determine in a month or so if the US Persil-washed top indeed is fading.

Nothing faded with German Color Megaperls, but of course the US Power Perl product, while marketed as a one-size-fits-all product, most likely is best for whites and pastels. I wish they'd market an equivalent of Color Megaperls, but Americans are set in their ways and most don't like to stock two kinds of detergent. I hate liquid detergent, I feel powders work best in a FL, and so I don't see the US Persil color liquid as an option for me. Another option is to buy imported Persil Color Megaperls on the internet. Pricey, but I use 15-30 ml (1-2 tbsp) per load, so it lasts a long, long time.


Post# 888422 , Reply# 84   7/6/2016 at 15:32 (505 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

I am not seeing the powder in any of our stores anymore (Wal-Mart, Shop-Rite, etc... Has it been discontinued?

Post# 888423 , Reply# 85   7/6/2016 at 15:53 (505 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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The powder is in the stores I shop at. Maybe the places you've been to are just out of stock?

Post# 888524 , Reply# 86   7/7/2016 at 09:25 (505 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

It's available online today:

www.walmart.com/ip/Persil-ProClea...

they often offer free shipping to a store for pickup in the event your local store is out of stock.


Post# 888529 , Reply# 87   7/7/2016 at 10:37 (505 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Cannot find the powdered version by Dial/Henkel

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Either in NYC outside of K-Sears on Astor Place.

The liquid/gel yes, that one can find everywhere from Rite Aid to Shoprite, but none of the supermarkets or store 24's seem to have the powder.


Post# 894826 , Reply# 88   8/20/2016 at 16:35 (460 days old) by sarat (USA)        

Is it okay to use bleach with the Persil Pearls or does it contain an oxy like ingredient?

Post# 894829 , Reply# 89   8/20/2016 at 17:14 (460 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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The Pearls do contain an oxy like ingredient so some of the bleaching action will be lost to the fact that oxygen bleach and chlorine bleach cancel each other out.

While it`s not the most efficient way to bleach laundry it is still perfectly okay to use chlorine along with an oxy bleach containing washing powder because one of the bleaches (usually chlorine) exceeds the other one. In other words it is very unlikely to get the exact ratio of chlorine to oxy where 100% bleaching action is canceled out.



Post# 894830 , Reply# 90   8/20/2016 at 17:38 (460 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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While it may be "ok" to use chlorine with an hydrogen peroxide bleach, why would you? Have found oxygen bleach far superior to chlorine especially when part of an activated system.

While can understand adding say water softener (phosphates) and perhaps oxygen bleach when using a detergent that does not have it included, and or to kick things up a notch when dealing with badly stained wash; cannot comprehend the need to create various witches brews for doing laundry.

We no longer live in the 1800's! If you aren't getting proper results from a particular laundry detergent then either your methods are off and or you need to find something else.

No longer bother adding anything really when using various European detergents (the modern versions, not vintage stuff in my stash), as Persil, Ariel, Le Chat, OMO, and the rest all give excellent results on their own. Especially when used in the Miele (good) or OKO-Lavamat (better).


Post# 894836 , Reply# 91   8/20/2016 at 18:06 (460 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        

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Consumer Reports made a significant distinction between the different types of Persil liquids. I think they liked the "+ pro-lift technology" formula better than all the others. It took some doing in my area to locate that specific one.

 

I've used it but it's VERY fragrant and it over-sudses a lot. I can't imagine what it would do in a boil-wash cycle. I like the fragrance but I don't want to walk around in public smelling like my laundry detergent. I remember when I was in high school I had a couple of friends who smelled like Wisk all day long. I wanted to tell them to tell their mothers to use less but I was still deeply inside the laundry closet and didn't want to out myself.

 

I think the Miele powders are near-perfect detergents. We have a turkish supermarket near us that stocks small bags of the regular and color formulas.


Post# 894842 , Reply# 92   8/20/2016 at 19:36 (460 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
American Persil

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Yes, the stuff froths quite a bit and has a tenacious scent.

Have found for a full 5kg load in the Miele or Lavamat to use no more than 15ml or less, it varies by load size and soil level. That cap is obviously geared for dosing in large American "HE" or whatever top loading washers. Have both a bottle of the German Persil gel and American version side by side in my laundry area. The cap for the latter is vastly larger than former. Using a full or even half cap of the American version is sure to cause issues with froth and rinsing IMHO.

Scent wise again if the right amount is used things aren't "that" bad. Far more noticeable than Tide liquid, and that is saying something.


Post# 894917 , Reply# 93   8/21/2016 at 12:39 (459 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Using way too much.

Use less, get less frothing, and a nice mild fresh scent.

Post# 894919 , Reply# 94   8/21/2016 at 12:43 (459 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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"I can't imagine what it would do in a boil-wash cycle"

Ken, you`re not the only American here on AW.org who can`t imagine so I decided to take pictures of a boil wash cycle with German Persil today. Can tell you it`s right the opposite of what you`d expect.
While it is quite sudsy when the water heats up from cold to hot the suds collapse once the water gets really hot.

Actually all European detergents behave more or less in this way.
It might be different in extremly soft water conditions, or in cases of severe overdose, and of course American Persil might be different as well.

Picture #1 was taken when the water was warm.

Picture #2 was taken right after the heater had cut off at 89°C (192°F)


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Post# 894935 , Reply# 95   8/21/2016 at 14:59 (459 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
89C

I found that the range between 50C and about 75C is the actual suds range of most detergents. Beyond that, most suds collapse. However, the interim spins on boil washes have a higher tendency to sudslock conditions as the extracted water is usualy somewhere in that range, even with a cool down.

Post# 894956 , Reply# 96   8/21/2016 at 17:13 (459 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
15 ml it will be.

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I have to be especially careful because here in Branford, Connecticut, we happen to be blessed with very soft water.

 

IIRC the water in New York City, which gets piped in from 100 miles north of the city out of the beautiful Ashokan reservoir is not only the tastiest water I've ever had, but it is also soft. When we lived near Rhinebeck NY and had well water it was ridiculously hard. Disgusting to drink and very hard on the laundry. I remember that it was close to impossible to get soap to lather in the shower. Water hardness makes a bigger difference I think than any difference between brands of detergent.

 

When my sister lived in Strasbourg, France she told me they had boxes of some special water softener that they had to use for everything, in the washer, in the dishwasher and when cleaning anything like the floor or bathroom fixtures. I guess this is why European dishwashers have built-in salt exchangers.


Post# 895009 , Reply# 97   8/22/2016 at 02:41 (459 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

I'll have to agree with bajaespuma, water hardness makes the biggest difference in detergents. Here in S. Central Texas the water is out of an aquifer and is very hard. I add water softner, usually Calgon, to each load. I found Persil to be very good at cleaning but the scent is over-the-top, so I agree with Laundress. Also thought it to fade my darks, and very sudsy. I found that for the price, other brands do as good, or better in not fading colors, think it might be the water hardness factoring in on that.

Post# 895018 , Reply# 98   8/22/2016 at 06:56 (459 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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I was using Persil 2-in-1 for my everyday detergent but while I like the scent, I didn't want it on everything. So now I keep it to use on really dirty or smelly wash loads. It is absolutely fantastic at getting out stains and odors. I just washed a car detail cloth that was black and smelled like gas, grease, brake dust, you name it. Came out completely clean and fresh smelling. It's good stuff for sure. I just prefer the Tide scents for my clothes.

Post# 895019 , Reply# 99   8/22/2016 at 06:59 (459 days old) by liamy1 (-)        
Water hardness

Is definitely one of the things in play with detergents.

In the part of the UK I am, we have extremely soft water (they can barely get a reading - and as mentioned by previous poster, we are advised not to put salt in the dishwasher for the softness here - advice that is almost never given).

We have to be super careful with doses and the like (granted our detergents are designed differently to US anyway, so are not too bad).

Have used a couple of US detergents (the HE stuff) and if I used the recommended dose, would have a free foam party (interestingly, the HE Turbo stuff suds more).


Post# 895044 , Reply# 100   8/22/2016 at 09:43 (459 days old) by sarat (USA)        
Oxy vs Bleach vs Powder vs Liquid etc etc

Laundress, to answer your Q above:  I guess I've never had good results with any 'oxy' type of product. Perhaps it's because I've been using a crappy washing machine for so long, or perhaps it's user error, but oxy has never given me good results, even with household cleaning products. I was raised with Comet and/or bleach with hot water for all things 'clean', so I'm sure my perception is heavily influenced by my upbringing. I've never mastered perfect results with bleach but this doesn't seem to deter me from trying! LOL. Anyway, I finally scored my dream washer/dryer set a week ago (TOL, automatic vintage maytags) & I've been experimenting with various temps, cycles & detergents, trying to hone my craft. ‎

As for the rest of the thread, mind you, I'm a fan of suds & like to see them in my wash, so recently I've purchased detergents that have been reported to produce sudsing action. Whether or not suds mean anything in terms of cleanliness, I don't know, but I like them regardless.  I'm currently awaiting a few boxes of STP and STPP to use as a detergent booster. I've never used the latter but I've used STP before & found it to be remarkable for brightening dingy whites (although too much of it can turn clothing into Swiss cheese with the holes it creates :)  So, here's been my limited experience thus far:‎

Persil ProClean PowerPearls, Intense Fresh (US Henkel): Used as recommended in both hot and warm cycles with cold rinse. (Washing son's bio hazardous bed clothes.) No suds produced and the water turned dark gray.  Finished product was clean but not completely spotless. However, his sheets are the most soiled of everyhing in the house and getting them spotless is always a tough job. The laundry smelled nice afterwards, not overpowering. Granted, it may take a few cycles of washing everything we own to rid clothing/sheets of body oil build up left behind from years of subpar washing. Overall, I was impressed with the power pearls but not blown away. However, it probably has more to do with the soil level of my sons sheets than it does the Persil itself. I'll give the powder a solid effort by trying it with a variety of clothing before rendering an informed opinion. 

Persil Original Scent Liquid Detergent (US Henkel). Also used in hot or warm with cold rinse. (Washed my bed sheets and my son's bio hazardous socks.) This produced sudsing action, although not as much as I'd like. Everything came out very clean. I did boost it with a splash of borax and washing soda, not sure if this made a difference? Very pleased with the results.  

Cheer ColorGuard Liquid in the black bottle. Used in warm wash/cold rinse for a various load of mixed darks. (For whatever reason I just can't force myself to wash in cold water, at least not yet.)  Very nice sudsing and the colors came out 'invigorated.' I've never tried detergent formulated for darks before. I must say I'm very impressed, shockingly so.‎

I decided to experiment with the Cheer Colorguard a bit more, so I washed my white socks & in hot water/cold rinse using Cheer colorguard with a dash of Borax & washing soda. (I need a chemistry lesson as I don't really know the difference between the two or even if they counteract each other.) The results were really great & I'd like to know why that is? Here is a photo of matching socks. Both are 'clean' but one was washed with Cheer CG/Borax/Soda and one was washed in my old machine using a standard detergent (Liquid Tide 'he', IIRC. ) 

I'm interested to know what the colorguard has or lacks that seems to brighten (not fade) dark colors, as well as its ability brighten/intensify white colors. I'm also interested to know what everyone finds to be most effective for keeping and/or restoring whites to their original shade by eliminating the graying/dinginess that occurs over time?   I have two teens, both VERY active in sports & deficient in areas of hygiene, so the soil level of my laundry is probably much greater than that of your average, adult household.  ‎






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Post# 895049 , Reply# 101   8/22/2016 at 10:47 (459 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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SaraT,

TSP (TriSodium Phosphate) (what you refer to as STP), should not be used as a laundry additive.  It's too harsh (reference:  your remark about holes) and generates a precipitate when binding to minerals in the water.

STPP (Sodium TriPoly Phosphate) is a complex phosphate compound, gentler, and does not generate a precipitate.


Post# 895052 , Reply# 102   8/22/2016 at 11:12 (459 days old) by sarat (USA)        
TSP

Yes, TSP is what I meant. It was indeed harsh on clothing but reducing the amount mitigated the negative effect of eating through clothing. I don't know about precipitate, but again TSP isn't something I've frequently used or even used recently, for that matter. I just remember it making my whites remarkably white. I'm anxious to try STPP.  I'm also curious to know what others have found to be most effective for washing whites (in terms of detergents, boosters, powder vs liquid & so forth.) ‎


Post# 895060 , Reply# 103   8/22/2016 at 12:05 (458 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Perhaps this thread is interesting for you.

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Post# 895436 , Reply# 104   8/24/2016 at 05:15 (457 days old) by sarat (USA)        

Does anyone know if the Persil Universal is the 'good stuff'?

Post# 895472 , Reply# 105   8/24/2016 at 08:59 (457 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I've only seen

the pro Clean Persil here.

Post# 895477 , Reply# 106   8/24/2016 at 09:13 (457 days old) by sarat (USA)        
Same here..

But eBay & Amazon carry different flavors. Some European, universal, USA, etc.

Post# 922491 , Reply# 107   2/20/2017 at 01:15 (277 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Post# 922510 , Reply# 108   2/20/2017 at 07:25 (277 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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That was awesome John!

Post# 922532 , Reply# 109   2/20/2017 at 09:24 (277 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
FWIW

Persil has become my favorite detergent. I have come to love the complex scent. I wish Yankee candle made a Persil Original scent candle. The Original liquid is more concentrated than 2-in-1, needs a smaller dose than 2-in-1 and can oversuds if overdosed with softened water. I think of it as an equivalent to the German Persil Color gel, although I believe the former has optical brighteners whereas Color gel does not. The 2-in-1 makes less suds, is better at stains and keeping things bright and white, but color preservation is slightly less. The Power Pearls make the least suds, and are fantastic for white laundry and for things like blue jeans which I like to keep bright. But they will make laundry dingy quickly in the case of overdosing or inadequate rinsing. The Power Pearls, like all powders, leave laundry a tad stiff. The PowerCaps make a lot of suds with a water softener, and an oversuds situation with anything less than a full load, but it rinses out amazingly faster than the other formulas -- the first rinse will often be suds free. However the so-called Original PowerCaps scent is not the same as Original or 2-in-1 -- to me it has more of a pine component like Irish Spring soap or Mountain Spring Tide.

Any lingering scent from any variety of Persil is no stronger than with any other detergent -- in my experience, unless you overdose.

My cleaning rags continue to get whiter and less stained every time I wash them in 2-in-1.

My first negative experience with Persil Original liquid has only recurred one time. I washed a load of towels that had sat unused for years at my Mom's house, where there had been some mold in the air due to a flood, and I used a very heavy dose of Persil Original, and they came out dingy and funky smelling. I washed them again in Persil and they came out cleaner and brighter than ever before with no overpowering scent. Persil seems to get out dirt and residues other detergents leave behind, but when it does so, it takes more than one laundering. JMO.

That said, Tide and Cheer are still outstanding products too, and it seems to be beneficial to occasionallly switch detergent for a load once in awhile.

Which reminds me -- Tide is also great at keeping things white and bright but it's harder to rinse out than Persil.

For what it's worth. Laundry seems to be an extremely subjective thing -- and the most interesting thing about this site is how widely our experiences and opinions vary.



Post# 945877 , Reply# 110   6/29/2017 at 13:47 by wishwash (Illinois)        
Scent...

I took my old bottle of Persil off the shelf the other day to wash some whites. Surprisingly I thought the scent was pleasant and tolerable when I walked back into the laundry room during the wash cycle. Maybe it was the smaller dosage. The problem seems to be when my laundry dries. Mosquito repellent is the closest scent I can think of. Any idea why the scent would be changing when my clothes dry? It does not matter whether I put them in the dryer or hang them up.

Post# 946758 , Reply# 111   7/5/2017 at 05:34 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Did several loads of linens over the weekend

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Using the Persil powder swapped with Stan several months back, and Persil 2 in 1 liquid (for gel it certainly isn't IMHO).

During the ironing and after things had aired while folding and putting away can say, yes, the scents are both same. That is the "American" Persil left same scent on the linens as powder.

Have figured out when it comes to using the Persil 2 in 1 it is all about dosing. Get it right and things are not only clean/fresh, but there aren't any issues with froth and or rinsing. Used barely 15ml to 25ml in the Miele of the American Persil liquid which seemed to work fine.



Post# 946759 , Reply# 112   7/5/2017 at 05:44 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
An observation regarding Persil in general

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There seems to be some sort of cult in USA about seeing how little Persil powder or whatever one can get away with using. This maybe the cause of many issues regarding performance that have cropped up here and there.

Friends of ours redid their home and went totally upscale European for the kitchen appliance wise, including a Miele washer and dryer. However they were noticing that laundry wasn't as clean as it should and or things still had a bit of pong.

Well me being me opinion was asked, and I gave it......

Turns out they were using about one or two tablespoons of Persil powder. Apparently reading on various internet sites like that was the often recommended dosage... *Sigh*.

The dosage up to 1/4 to 1/2 cup I said, and this did the trick. Wash was clean, white, bright and no more B.O. whiff.

Yes, one knows tap water here in NYC is vastly softer than what one finds in much of Europe. But there are limits to how much detergent dosage can be reduced.

Maybe with the mega-perls one could get away with dosage in the tablespoons full, but not the powder it seems.


Post# 946853 , Reply# 113   7/5/2017 at 21:15 by wishwash (Illinois)        
Fresh Linen...

Has anyone tried the fresh linen scent? I can't seem to find it around here, but it sounds like a scent that I might like better than the original or intense fresh.

Post# 946889 , Reply# 114   7/6/2017 at 06:53 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Fresh linen scent

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Have seen it locally here, but since am still on first bottle of Persil PC haven't bothered. From just opening the cap and inhaling it did have a pleasant enough smell.

Post# 946891 , Reply# 115   7/6/2017 at 06:56 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Thing about Europe

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Is TAED bleaching activator long went off patent and is thus available to anyone, even private label detergent makers.

Here in USA P&G has a lock on NBOS technology so anyone else wanting a bleaching activator must think of something else, and or go with TAED. IIRC the Persil perls that were discontinued in USA had a TAED activated oxygen bleaching system.




Post# 946949 , Reply# 116   7/6/2017 at 21:02 by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

When I got my Duet my first FL I was cautioned to use 1 or 2 T of detergent only well that worked for the first few loads when I realized I want clean clothes and a clean washer so I upped my dosage. I have not had a suds issue with US Persil Pearls using 5T that don't resolve themselves by the first rinse. I really can't understand how clothes can be clean using 1 T of anything. I know of people that use 1 teaspoon that say no suds at all is how it should be and swear their textiles are clean and their washer sweet smelling.

Post# 946950 , Reply# 117   7/6/2017 at 21:19 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Am here to say something else

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Folded and put away the last of things washed in Persil "2in1", and can honestly say the remaining scent was no more powerful than any other version of German/Henkel Persil.

Again the key here it seems to be getting dosage down to proper amounts suited to load size/soil level.


Post# 947067 , Reply# 118   7/7/2017 at 19:56 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Linen Fresh

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After visiting several shops over the past few days the thing cannot be found. All anyone has is the new "Pro10" formula, of which there does not seem to be a "linen fresh" scent. If there is no one thus far seems to be stocking...

If you remotely like this scent suggest getting some soon, and or finding out from local vendors if Persil will continue to have.


Post# 947232 , Reply# 119   7/8/2017 at 21:45 by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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I saw some in a grocery store this week (Food City) and took the cap off for a whiff. It did not seem strong, and was about the same as the Tide linen scent made a few years ago, as best as I can recall. I know some people liked that a lot.

Post# 947238 , Reply# 120   7/8/2017 at 23:05 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Just did a search online

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Apparently "linen fresh" is still in the Persil line-up, but again one hasn't seen it on offer any where locally.

Indeed compared to other laundry detergents, especially the vast and bewildering array offered by P&G, Persil's offerings/shelf space seems rather puny in comparison.

Popped into K-sears on Astor Place last night on a whim (happened to be in the area), and the selection of Persil was rather grim. Just two barely quarter end shelves and only two versions of the new "Power 10" or whatever. Even then one shelf was given over to the larger sized bottles. It is the same at every local shop one visits and glances down the detergent aisle.

If this is the best Henkel/Dial can do they are going to have to pull their socks up if they entertain any hope of taking on P&G/Tide. I mean anywhere you go there are shelves and shelves of P&G detergents, filled alone with countless variants of Tide.


Post# 947270 , Reply# 121   7/9/2017 at 06:47 by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Too sudsy 4 me...

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I have tried the American Pwrsil offering and frankly, it's just too sudsy. Micro dosing liquid detergent is not my thing. I want a detergent that does its job without creating a drama soufflé.

That being said, I think Persil has about the best packaging for a liquid detergent I have every seen. A virtually clear jug with removable spout so you can get every last drop? Yes, please! The removable spout was something a really liked about Wisk.

I like the Tide Turbo HE liquid, an excellent performer, but hate the packaging.

Malcolm


Post# 947276 , Reply# 122   7/9/2017 at 07:41 by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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The last bottle I bought (regular Fresh Scent) didn't have the suds issues I've seen before. Though I've only used the 2-in-1 so maybe it's different.

I just finished a bottle of Member's Mark regular detergent and for the price it's a great deal! Works well...but not as good as Persil. I absolutely love the Fresh Scent so I ordered the big 150oz bottle for my next detergent. LOL. I think it's become my favorite. Cleans excellent.


Post# 947351 , Reply# 123   7/9/2017 at 15:59 by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Agree the key is dosage

And JMO but you need very little Persil in a FL. The American versions of Persil are very concentrated and noticeably thicker than the German liquids. I suspect the American versions are formulated with old school top loaders in mind. I need much less American Persil than German, and a smaller dose with the Original formula than with 2-in-1. Just my experience. Laundry seems to be highly subjective.

The American Persil pods are dosed too heavy for me, and oversuds or come very close to it. Maybe they'd be ok for people who wear their clothes multiple times until they're very soiled and then pack their machine really full.

Persil really grew on me after I got the dosage right. Nothing gets whites whiter than the Power Pearls.

I don't think the scent is strong at all once you figure out the proper dose.

It does not look like Persil is catching on. I suppose Americans generally like cheap detergents and they do not have a "taste" for Persil's scents, which are more sophisticated than Americans are used to. And I guess those loyal to Tide are generally wary of taking a gamble on a different brand as expensive as Tide?


Post# 947393 , Reply# 124   7/9/2017 at 21:45 by wishwash (Illinois)        

I have to agree that at least part of the problem is in the "different" type of scents. Most people like the stronger sweeter Gain or the fruity Tide or the fresh Arm & Hammer. Persil is kind of in its own category.

I think the real issue is that people don't think twice about doing laundry. Most just grab their go-to bottle off the shelf and then go about their business. Persil cleans VERY well, but I don't think enough people know or care about that enough to start buying it, especially when Tide is so common. I bet their market share will pick up given enough time.


Post# 947395 , Reply# 125   7/9/2017 at 22:11 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I like it, both the perls and liquids.  I bought 4 bottles of Perls recently from Target online, two of each scent.


Post# 947481 , Reply# 126   7/10/2017 at 13:43 by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Persil literally JUST got here.
And as said earlier, people either don't care or are very steeped in their detergent habits keeping it easy for what they know works.
Persil will have to be patient and wait for people to discover them. Often by word of mouth.
Just like Method.
NOW people are starting to consider them on a small scale. But I've been using Method since 2007!
Persil will need to wait and be persistent for a least a few years.





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