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Thread Number: 64586
/ Tag: Modern Dishwashers
New Miele G 6000 EcoFlex dishwasher with QuickPowerWash |
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| Post# 872560 3/14/2016 at 21:04 (2,958 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
Hi everyone,
Miele is launching a new G 6000 series dishwasher with QuickPowerWash programme. This cycle has been tested to provide 'A' rated cleaning results in less than one hour. This programme has been in their W1 series washing machines for some time now. Temperature is 65 degrees (149 deg F) for the main wash and final rinse. It does do an interim rinse. Total water consumption is 11.5 liters (3 US gallons) New basket design elements have also been introduced for even better stacking. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mielerod69's LINK | ||
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Post# 872566 , Reply# 1 3/14/2016 at 22:18 (2,958 days old) by logixx  (Germany) |
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Post# 872574 , Reply# 3 3/14/2016 at 23:21 (2,958 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I think the condenser is only available on the PG models. I have a service manual from a few years ago and it already indicates that the condensers were removed and that air is simply blown around the tub during condensation drying.
I did look at the manual for the G6997 and see how the Eco cycle got its efficiency rating: 54C (129F) wash, followed by a rinse and a 44C (111F) final rinse. Cycle time is 3:42 with cold water or 20 minutes less with hot water going into the dishwasher. Fortunately, the Eco cycle is the only one running so cool and long*. * with the exception of the Overnight cycle | ||
| Post# 872575 , Reply# 4 3/14/2016 at 23:32 (2,958 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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Post# 872579 , Reply# 6 3/15/2016 at 01:02 (2,957 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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So far, I think V-Zug is the only company to have a heat-pump dishwasher.
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Post# 872584 , Reply# 8 3/15/2016 at 02:07 (2,957 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 872587 , Reply# 9 3/15/2016 at 02:55 (2,957 days old) by richnz (New Zealand) | ||
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Deeply impressive. | ||
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Post# 872867 , Reply# 11 3/16/2016 at 13:43 (2,956 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 872869 , Reply# 12 3/16/2016 at 14:10 (2,956 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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The TOL models manual until now for comparison:
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Post# 872872 , Reply# 13 3/16/2016 at 14:25 (2,956 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 872874 , Reply# 14 3/16/2016 at 14:41 (2,956 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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3 Things I don't like about the VZug 1. Only an,optional prewash on Intensive. 2. Consistent low final rinse temp. 3. Low temp range on the Automatic cycle. However, cycles are incredibly fast. And well selected. But, one thing I love about Mieles still: The nuclear wipe out Intensive cycle. | ||
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Post# 872880 , Reply# 15 3/16/2016 at 15:20 (2,956 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 873497 , Reply# 17 3/20/2016 at 14:08 (2,952 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 873541 , Reply# 18 3/20/2016 at 20:04 (2,952 days old) by richnz (New Zealand) | ||
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This seems to be what is in the G6000 units So how will this work if the new heat exchanger is mounted on the right side? Won't that mean less space for the fan to blow onto? I also have wondered about its effectiveness considering the side is covered in thick bitumen (Or something like it) | ||
| Post# 873542 , Reply# 19 3/20/2016 at 20:12 (2,952 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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Miele heat exchanger
The Miele heat exchanger always uses fresh water in the tank, it never re-cycles the water from a previous rinse. It pre-heats the water for the successive portion of the cycle. As in the past with Bosch, the main wash cycle would pre-heat the water for the interim rinse which in turn would let the tub cool down completely.
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Post# 873606 , Reply# 20 3/21/2016 at 07:07 (2,951 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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I know they don't recycle the water. But they use it to heat up the previous water. And thus the question, if they don't do it the BSH way, and it seems to me they don't, they'll use a pipe-kind system. This pipeing could accumulate the dirt in the water, thus creating smell and/or heat transfer issues. | ||
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Post# 873607 , Reply# 21 3/21/2016 at 07:18 (2,951 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Bosch dishwashers still work that way. After the heating and reheating steps of the main wash are over, the heat exchanger fills with tap water and the temperature in the tank and tub begin to equalize, leading to a smooth temp transition from the otherwise hot wash to the cold rinse.
I have wondered about the effectiveness of the condenser pocket-less drying cycle as well, but I guess it still works well enough despite the tub being covered in Bitumen. My Bosch, with Bitumen and felt all around, still heats the drainboard above it enough to melt butter on it. I tried searching for the patent of the new Miele system but only found one for a spray arm with rotating jets and a built-in detergent dispenser. | ||
| Post# 873707 , Reply# 22 3/21/2016 at 18:49 (2,951 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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From the instruction manual
This explains how the heat exchanger in the dishwasher works.
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Post# 873792 , Reply# 23 3/22/2016 at 05:33 (2,950 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Quote from the press release "This device comprises two separate water circuits in a heat-exchanger unit. One of these circuits transports fresh tap water; the other constitutes a series of loops. The latter contains hot water from the last programme stage which circulates to pre-heat the fresh water in the reservoir." This does not sound anything like the BSH system to me. | ||
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Post# 873908 , Reply# 24 3/22/2016 at 17:00 (2,950 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 873918 , Reply# 25 3/22/2016 at 17:33 (2,950 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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There is a new slimline lineup, with the QuickPowerWash cycle sans the heat exchanger part, cycle times are still slightly longer. These indeed look too similar to these Winterhalters. But I guess, these are so common, Miele just took the chance to get some retail out of it. | ||
| Post# 875737 , Reply# 26 4/5/2016 at 19:07 (2,936 days old) by richnz (New Zealand) | ||
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UNDERwhelmed From the videos to the website, its rather blah. Its essentially the same machine from the g1000/g2000 range. Soft spikes? Thanks electrolux. Marketing more than engineering. | ||
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Post# 875782 , Reply# 27 4/6/2016 at 06:51 (2,935 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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But the heat exchange does indeed seem to have an additional port on the diverter assembly. And it does not have soft spikes. Though it hast the glass holders. And since the G1/2 series, they changed to all variable speed pumps, changed the cycles arround. So there have been few improvements, but not like a total re-do. Though I don't think there is a reason for a re-do either. | ||
| Post# 876114 , Reply# 30 4/8/2016 at 08:01 (2,933 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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re; no new guts Yeah, sort of like a Porsche also. If it aint broke, don't fix it. | ||
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