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Post# 874156   3/24/2016 at 03:38 (2,948 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        

www.johnlewis.com/siemens-avantga...

Do like the look of this machine, bit pricey and could have a Miele for this price.





Post# 874162 , Reply# 1   3/24/2016 at 06:27 (2,948 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Sigh... When it comes to appliances and cars the U.S. is such a third world country.

 

Looks nice. Will have to give it a more thorough look after work.

 

Jim
Post# 874177 , Reply# 2   3/24/2016 at 08:21 (2,948 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Neat

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What are they like?

Post# 874184 , Reply# 3   3/24/2016 at 08:48 (2,948 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
re; third world

 Sie mens? I liked it!!
I'd get the Miele, but their less expensive washer does not have the twenty year bearing warranty like the $3,000.00 one.

Post# 874189 , Reply# 4   3/24/2016 at 09:08 (2,948 days old) by liamy1 (-)        
Do...

 Siemens make Panasonic, as they have just launched a washer that looks like this.

Looks good, but I don't know, just like the Panasonic; the fascias of these machines have an 80's feel to me.

(think it is just the not use to seeing the black and white together on a washer)

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Post# 874195 , Reply# 5   3/24/2016 at 10:55 (2,948 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Gorenje and Panasonic are affiliated, BSH is not part of that.

Post# 874245 , Reply# 6   3/24/2016 at 15:57 (2,947 days old) by ServisChris (Southampton, Hampshire UK)        
Deffo worth the price

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My Bosch washer dryer has been fab, its only being replaced as I'm getting a more upmarket machine.

I actually like the design, far better than anything else that BSH have produced, but looks can be decieving. I want to try one!





Chris

Post# 874254 , Reply# 7   3/24/2016 at 16:28 (2,947 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

These are verry standard IQ800 platform machines under the hood. Not even sure if they have the AquaSensor, though. Only a cosmetic and electronic/cycle upgrade.

Post# 874259 , Reply# 8   3/24/2016 at 16:56 (2,947 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

The dryer is really interesting though.
First, even though it has a self cleaning condenser, it is acessible by the user without any tools!
Second, there are 2 care cycles that flush the condenser. One is a "short" cycle only using water, the second is designed to work with a special cleaner and takes 4 hours.
Third, this heatpump is a beast. It uses a different coolant (R290a), and reaches A+++ class with cycle times below 2 1/2 hours.
Nice twist on BSH dryers.

Post# 874639 , Reply# 9   3/27/2016 at 20:02 (2,944 days old) by Michael (London /England)        
315 minutes for a 60 degree wash????????

 5 hours 15 minutes for a hot - not boil wash....the're having a laugh!!!

Post# 874643 , Reply# 10   3/27/2016 at 20:56 (2,944 days old) by dave886 (united kingdom)        
Nice looking set

Nice looking set of machines, but i don't think it worth that price tag, also these new machines with the new style of drums, I doubt the drum is even made from stainless steel, Miele all the way.

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Post# 874660 , Reply# 11   3/28/2016 at 02:39 (2,944 days old) by psych101 (Australia)        

2.5 hr dryer times and 5 hour wash times???!!! You're not serious, surely? How on earth does anyone in Europe get all their washing done?

Post# 874664 , Reply# 12   3/28/2016 at 04:20 (2,944 days old) by hilal93 ()        
dave886

 The WaveDrum style drum was intruduced around 2011, as i had a brand new Bosch Avantixx 7 washer with that Wavedrum, bad thing through is that all BSH washers with the Wavedrum style, they'are all sealed unit so you can't change bearings on them, hence i sold mine after 5 months of use..


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Post# 874672 , Reply# 13   3/28/2016 at 05:51 (2,944 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Dry times: It's a heatpump dryer. And 2 ½ hours is for a full 8kg load, spun at only 1000rpm. So, that time is actually not bad.

Wash times: 5+ hours is for the Eco cycle used to calculate the energy labels. It is basicly a 4 hour soak, with peak temperatures at approx. 40C or such. It incorporates pretty intensive wash periodes as well to compensate for the lack of heat. It is followed by 2 rinses, with long high interim spins, really low water levels and long rinse times. The final spin is designed to remove as much moisture as possible, despite any creasing or wear and tear.
The normal 60C cycle takes a little less then 3 hours or about 1 hour on the short cycle, latter with only 5kg load maximum.
The Eco-cycle should be 30% or 50% more efficent the reqiured for the EU energy class A+++.

There are few longer cycle times out there, but there are positive examples like some Sharp models (A+++ minus 70% in 4 hours) or Miele (A+++ minus 50% in 3 hours), both in the 8/9 kg class.

Post# 874674 , Reply# 14   3/28/2016 at 06:10 (2,944 days old) by Michael (London /England)        
Thanks Henene4

 Eco cycle makes sense! They should, however make that clear in the features on the John Lewis site. Reading that would put me right off straight away otherwise! My Miele 5964 takes 2.59 on a 8kg cottons wash, or 1.59 on short, which I find acceptable...I have a Siemans dryer, which replaced my Miele and I have to say, its good!


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