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Thread Number: 65641
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
For limited kitchen space look at Under sink dishwashers |
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Post# 882510 , Reply# 2 5/28/2016 at 15:00 (2,881 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Post# 882516 , Reply# 3 5/28/2016 at 15:43 (2,881 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Not a dishwasher and probably not available in the US... but still a space saver.
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| Post# 882525 , Reply# 4 5/28/2016 at 16:45 (2,881 days old) by ilovewindex (Tualitan OR) | ||
Here is what the Hot Start does
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Post# 882530 , Reply# 5 5/28/2016 at 18:08 (2,881 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 882536 , Reply# 6 5/28/2016 at 18:59 (2,881 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Thank you So this feature is used with the delay start when the operator is not there to purge the hot water line before the machine is started? | ||
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Post# 882539 , Reply# 7 5/28/2016 at 19:11 (2,881 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Basicly, it is a better way of a purge. The water isn't just wasted down the drain but used for extra pre-rinses. Further, heating of the water tempers the whole interior and dishes, reducing temperature shock and increasing the temperature even further. It's a purge on steroids. | ||
| Post# 882590 , Reply# 9 5/29/2016 at 03:30 (2,881 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) | ||
I like the concept of under the sink dishwashers and when I had a chance to use a low end (fullsize) GE I found it cleaned much better than expected. A bit noisy though.
Wonder if those under the sink models also feature that funny pop up tower ? As to hotstart, what a wasteful joke that is! Two extra pre rinses to purge the water pipes and warm up the interior makes perfect sense, but wouldn`t it suffice to turn on the heating element in the main wash only ? | ||
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Post# 882596 , Reply# 10 5/29/2016 at 05:22 (2,881 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Seems to be a tower wash system..
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Post# 882597 , Reply# 11 5/29/2016 at 05:27 (2,881 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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@mrboilwash Keep in mind we are talking the american 800 or so watt heater, so the heater only uses something like 300W in the 20 minutes it runs. | ||
| Post# 882604 , Reply# 12 5/29/2016 at 07:18 (2,880 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) | ||
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You`re right Henrik, a third of a kW/h is rather negligible, even more so considering the low energy costs in the States.
Still seems somewhat odd and wastefull from a European point of view. Guess it always comes down to the point of view, and that`s exactly what makes AW.org so unique and interesting. Americans tend to think it`s outrageous to pay for the extra electricity modern FLs use for their endless cycle times. For us it doesn`t seem to matter because most of the energy is used to heat the water. | ||
| Post# 882605 , Reply# 13 5/29/2016 at 07:19 (2,880 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
Thanks for the clarification on the Hot Start! What puzzles me though, is on the dial models, basically if you use the Hot Start option, you have to run a Heavy Wash/Pots-Pans because it's at the very beginning. Same for the dial model with electronic cycle selector....the dial has both Heavy and Start (Normal) but you can also select Normal or Pots-Pans on the electronic dial. So basically you can get a Heavy wash on Normal? lol. It's confusing.
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| Post# 882611 , Reply# 15 5/29/2016 at 07:31 (2,880 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) | ||
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Post# 882631 , Reply# 16 5/29/2016 at 09:20 (2,880 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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I dunno. I just thought that all new dishwashers had to have a fill valve with an aperture like an eye dropper. | ||
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Post# 882636 , Reply# 18 5/29/2016 at 10:14 (2,880 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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That all would not be a problem. It would be way more complicated and more expensive then just using some timer increments that would be blank otherwise. | ||
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Post# 882638 , Reply# 19 5/29/2016 at 10:20 (2,880 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 882669 , Reply# 20 5/29/2016 at 12:23 (2,880 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) | ||
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These aren`t Energy Star qualified
Which brings up another question. As we all know restrictions are getting harder and harder to obtain the blue Energy Star label. On the other hand it seems like there are no restrictions at all for the yellow Energy Guide lable.
I wonder if all that "bean counters" in the goverment don`t give a s**t about water and energy use as long as an appliance doesn`t apply for Energy Star ? Is Energy Star really an obligation for new appliances or is it only market driven ? (Not enough demand for water and energy hogs) Or is there an exeptional rule for anything less than a full size appliance ? I`d really like to know. | ||
| Post# 882688 , Reply# 21 5/29/2016 at 15:11 (2,880 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
Under sink is an interesting idea. Especially since that area is a wasteland most of the time. (Seriously, I don't think I've known anyone who has stored more than cleaning supplies down there. Although I think my mother might have had a few broken appliances hidden in a dark corner under the corner counter area.)
It won't work for me--I think I was one who mentioned space issues--since I rent... | ||
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Post# 882708 , Reply# 22 5/29/2016 at 17:30 (2,880 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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All Appliances Sold In The US Must Meet Energy Usage  Targets, only appliances that exceed energy targets by a certain amount can get an ES label.
ALL Appliances sold that are subject to energy standards [ and DWs along with most other major appliances are ] today are far better than appliances in terms of overall energy usage, often in appliances such as Frost Free Refs by as much as 3 or 4 times better in electricity usage alone. | ||
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