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Post# 893914   8/14/2016 at 17:06 (2,804 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Much to my surprise Whirlpool has a new machine out that uses a dual action agitator rather than the dreaded impeller with a pole attached to it to give the impression of a standard top loader.

Million dollar question: When deep fill is selected, does this machine fill all the way to the top or a 2/3 fill? And is this machine capable of doing a deep rinse on any of its cycles or options?


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Post# 893918 , Reply# 1   8/14/2016 at 17:23 (2,804 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Yeah there's 2 WP, Maytag, and a Kenmore version too...they have been out for a little while now. I'm not sure what the "max" fill level really is though...maybe someone knows.

Post# 893920 , Reply# 2   8/14/2016 at 17:43 (2,804 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Anyone have a link for the Kenmore? I think Whirlpool caught on, or at least knows the old fashioned machines are still in strong demanded. This models appears new, so Id guess its there 3rd, to which I say I like :) I wouldn't mind getting one of these to play around with provided they filled up all the way.

Post# 893925 , Reply# 3   8/14/2016 at 18:51 (2,804 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I don't know why y'all are getting so giddy!!  It's still going to have very dumbed down water temperatures.  It's still not anywhere near as aggressive as the old DD washer and the stupid people will most likely just set it at max fill regardless of what size of load is put in the machine.  I'll take my front loader with true hot water washes any day over something like this!!!


Post# 893931 , Reply# 4   8/14/2016 at 19:21 (2,804 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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I can't help it lol. While its certainly not ideal, the fact it can fill up all the way is a blessing in this day and age. Auto fill is nothing more than a fancy word for an HE impeller washer. As for agitation I actually prefer it over the old DDs, shredmore rightfully earned imho. It may not be as aggressive, but the long slow strokes still move clothes around (really) well getting them clean without all the thread wear. Whirlpool would switch to slow speed agitation after after high on the normal cycle and Kenmore renamed the normal cycle "Heavy Duty" while creating a special normal cycle with slow speed agitation and high speed spin to compensate. Unfortunately it was to slow, and did not move around the clothes well.


However, I do agree with you on the temps. Those will suck.


Post# 893936 , Reply# 5   8/14/2016 at 19:34 (2,804 days old) by Sbond22 (Grove City, Fl. USA)        

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Why not just buy a ...never mind.

Post# 893938 , Reply# 6   8/14/2016 at 19:53 (2,804 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Speed Queen

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LOL! I might get another after this ;) But I would not mind having this as a toy simply to wash rags in the garage or basement. But even then, Id like a machine that uses water generously.

Post# 893972 , Reply# 7   8/15/2016 at 02:51 (2,804 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Max fill-get your 5Gal Lowes bucket and fill it to what YOU want!!!Get tired of this water nonesense!Let ME fill the machine to how much I want!I am paying the water bill.Just paid it,by the way.

Post# 893987 , Reply# 8   8/15/2016 at 07:14 (2,804 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Spend $360

on that, and replace it in 5 years, or spend the extra for a "never mind" now, and have it last at least fifteen years.

Post# 894044 , Reply# 9   8/15/2016 at 15:25 (2,803 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Mud

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Came across this... what would cause it?







Post# 894059 , Reply# 10   8/15/2016 at 17:36 (2,803 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
causes?

condesnation? a slight seal leak?
My mode shifter was replaced with the gear case and bearing and seal job. Same symptoms.


Post# 894061 , Reply# 11   8/15/2016 at 17:49 (2,803 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Ok, so that is a water leak then. common for VMW? I know it was common on World Washers.

Post# 894073 , Reply# 12   8/15/2016 at 22:21 (2,803 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

That brown mud is a seal failure, bad gearcase.

Post# 894077 , Reply# 13   8/15/2016 at 23:16 (2,803 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
The Idiot in response #9

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DUD, never mentioned his washer that will not spin anymore sounded like a fright train the last few months and they have washed in cold water since they bought it five years ago in cheap detergent, oh well, LOL, yes he has ruined his washers main seal and then the bearings.

 

But seriously I  also blame the manufactures for not advising customers in no uncertain terms to use the hot water setting almost always, and to use enough GOOD detergent. It is almost impossible to use too much detergent and using enough detergent and bleach at least a few times a month will keep you from ever having these seal and bearing failures.


Post# 894116 , Reply# 14   8/16/2016 at 08:00 (2,803 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I was told

we were using too much detergent, that one tablespoon, two at most for large loads is plenty.
The optical sensor on the mode shifter senses if the basket is still spinning, or stopped, and signals the controller to advance, or unlock the lid.
I don't think spin speed. That sounds more like a load sensing issue.
If I try to use the "normal" cycle now, it senses way longer than it used to.
Fills half full with water also. A mind of it's own as far as spin speed at times.
My observation is like a car that is a lemon. It isn't going to work any better unless every part is replaced. Encoder, controller, water level pressure sensor, mode selector, maybe even the motor.
Cheaper to scrap.
If you put junk in you get junk back out, just like the economy last decade.


Post# 894271 , Reply# 15   8/17/2016 at 01:34 (2,802 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Mind of its own

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Was the machine calibrated after any parts being changed out?

Post# 894290 , Reply# 16   8/17/2016 at 06:57 (2,802 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Yes Chetenham,

and a few times since. I've done it after a power failure also. It made no difference. It's on a surge protector as well. No fault codes.

Post# 894310 , Reply# 17   8/17/2016 at 08:31 (2,802 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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New machines can and will do that. Sorry that happened to you.

Post# 894335 , Reply# 18   8/17/2016 at 11:52 (2,802 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Thanks Cheltenham,

that's more than I got from WP.

Post# 894429 , Reply# 19   8/17/2016 at 23:32 (2,801 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
On the plus side

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These machines look like the easiest to service machines ever created. If the parts were just a hair more durable they would be worth it.

Post# 894495 , Reply# 20   8/18/2016 at 09:22 (2,801 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
True,

there is not much to them. Back in the day, when my dad was a service tech for Sears, he mostly replaced timers, belts, mix valves, pumps, the little things. The occasional motor.
A heavily used washer, or one in a larger family or abused occasionally needed a clutch or a spin tube rebuild with new oilite bearings. if the machine was very old, Sears used to offer a credit towards a new one if the customer had a service policy when the repair cost was too high.
Once, a Ford engineer argued with him about his dryer motor. The ignitor wasn't operating. The customer insisted the motor had nothing to do with it. My dad explained that the motor had the ignitor energizer in it's start circuitry. He didn't buy it, and refused to have it repaired. My dad then asked why his newer Ford Galaxie 500 was hard starting.


Post# 894613 , Reply# 21   8/18/2016 at 20:38 (2,800 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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The dryer had no tech sheet to show the guy the gas valve passes through a centrifugal switch.

Post# 894647 , Reply# 22   8/19/2016 at 06:10 (2,800 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Cheltenham,

I don't know if machines came with tech sheets back in the 70's. Seems I recall a large sticker on the backs with a wiring schematic?
My dad was a stickler. If you P/O'd him, he may not have offered the info to the guy. My dad likely figured if the guy was so smart, he could fix it himself. Why did he even call for service? Maybe the guy just said he was an engineer? Then there is a difference between a mechanical, and an electrical engineer.


Post# 894663 , Reply# 23   8/19/2016 at 07:59 (2,800 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Big difference lol. But yahhh, I think you are right, in the 70s it was glued to the back.

Post# 894719 , Reply# 24   8/19/2016 at 14:10 (2,800 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Engineer -

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The guy in the front of the train. LOL

Malcolm


Post# 894729 , Reply# 25   8/19/2016 at 16:11 (2,799 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Right Malcom!

and if he/she doesn't hit the red button once every few minutes or when the buzzer sounds, the trains slows to a stop.

Post# 894788 , Reply# 26   8/20/2016 at 08:09 (2,799 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Requires use of HE detergent, only 2 tablespoons max.  Does not sound like a machine that fills all the way and that agitator skirt looks like it only has two vanes. This sounds like a sick puppy.


Post# 894789 , Reply# 27   8/20/2016 at 08:22 (2,799 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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I think that is only the case when deep wash is not selected, at least I hope. The agitator looks like a true DA, so Im guessing (hoping) that it fills at least 2/3s up on deep wash.

Post# 894880 , Reply# 28   8/21/2016 at 08:23 (2,798 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
The drive system

was fine for the smaller compact washers. They're just not robust enough for heavy loads in my opinion. The splutch gears may be very durable, but once the seals give out, the gear case fills with water, and fails.
In my honest opinion, Whirlpool needs to design something else. It will only be the fourth time after all. The Clyde division has been through two major tooling changes.
The original belt drive design from the Nineteen Hundred corporation, then the 1986 released direct drive. The helcon splutch VMW gear box pieces have always been made in Mexico.


Post# 895042 , Reply# 29   8/22/2016 at 09:39 (2,797 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Good info, Thanks :) Where are VMW constructed?

Post# 895053 , Reply# 30   8/22/2016 at 11:21 (2,797 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Final assembly

for the USA is Clyde Ohio, along with front loading Whirlpool Duets, and Maytag Epic and the top of the line front loaders.
Parts come from Reynosa Mexico.
Dryers are assembled in Findlay Ohio, and or Marion. Dishwashers in Findlay. Ranges and ovens in Marion, and Mexico. Refrigerators all Mexico.
Only headquarters and engineering and design are still in Benton Harbor.


Post# 895056 , Reply# 31   8/22/2016 at 11:31 (2,797 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
In ligth of

culture shifts, and young people not wanting factory work anymore, I think we will see entire appliances imported more. Not overnight, so long as sales are strong enough. Whirlpool isn't looking to put near retirees on the street before they are ready, I hope.

Post# 895077 , Reply# 32   8/22/2016 at 14:31 (2,796 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)        

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Refrigerators all Mexico -- NOT true.  Amana, IA makes the bottom mount refrigs.  They also do freezers in Ottawa, Oh.

 

Maytag Epic  -- has been out of production for some time & was made in Germany.  Now the Maxima is in the US.

 


Post# 895106 , Reply# 33   8/22/2016 at 17:47 (2,796 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I was trying to

remember the "Maxima". So the Epic was built by Bauknecht?
I didn't know they made any fridges stateside, since WP closed the Fort Smith Arkansas plant. Glad they do.



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