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Thread Number: 66795
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| Post# 894644 8/19/2016 at 04:00 (2,804 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
First of all a big "Hi" to all of you guys. I always read the posts but it's been awhile since I've posted something.
I would like to share my experiences with Ammonia in Laundry and would like to hear your thoughts about it and to know if some of you is also using it. As far as I know ammonia rises alkalinity, deodorizes, disinfects and above all it is a very good degreaser. In the rinse cycle (+ 1 extra rinse) I've added a bit of white vinegar to neutralize the left alcalinity. I've noticed that my laundry came out of the dryer softer and fresher and a big surprise was that everything actually had the smell of the detergent/softener I've used. It was like ammonia has "turned on" the scent on the laundry. WOW! It may be that I will no longer want to use it (or not on every load), however, this test has surprised me positively. Ingemar | ||
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Post# 894653 , Reply# 2 8/19/2016 at 06:46 (2,803 days old) by Yogitunes  (New Jersey) |
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Ammonia has always been part of a laundry 'must have'....no matter what new thing comes out on the market, we always return to the basics....
Ammonia has been sort of the safe equivalent to bleach for colors.. if a load has been left in a machine too long, and smells musty, Ammonia will clear that up with another wash.... plus work one a number of stains..... amazing too at the end of the wash, all Ammonia smell is gone as well.... it comes in non-sudsing and lemon scents too | ||
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Post# 894676 , Reply# 3 8/19/2016 at 10:31 (2,803 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC ) |
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I'm with yogitunes on this one. We've used it in dark colour loads since childhood. I like it especially in loads where perspiration is an issue. Towels always get a dose, never had an issue with stinky towels. Great in helping with grease and oil as well. I think it's one of the unsung heroes of the laundry room.
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Post# 894707 , Reply# 4 8/19/2016 at 13:24 (2,803 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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 IIRC Ammonia is a strong natural solvent of wax and wax substances called "sebums" that are excreted by the human body (ear-wax, skin grime, etc.). Not entirely sure that it qualifies as a disinfectant even though it's fierce. I've wondered if Ammonia didn't dull and/or corrode some of the bakelite and other old-type plastic parts in our old washing machines. I'm also a devotee and always have a quart or two on hand but I've become much more careful using the stuff. 15 years ago I prepared a kitchen full of old cabinets for painting by de-griming them with Ammonia and inhaled too much of the stuff. I have been told by Pulmonologists that it can do significant and long term damage to the lungs and tracheal system.
The people who did the laundry in our home used to use it for dark colored loads of socks to deodorize them. I remember the pungent smell coming from the bathroom when it was in use. It was also used once a month on the kitchen floor to remove old layers of wax that had yellowed over time.
When I have clothing or bedding that has yellowed in storage I wash it with ammonia, not chlorine bleach because I remember years ago reading that the chlorine bleach fools you by whitening all of those compounds left on the textiles; over time the chlorine volatilizes and we are still left with those sebums and compounds that are naturally yellowish in the first place. Ammonia helps actually dissolve them so they rinse away.
Interesting that there have been very few major brands of Ammonia. These days I seem to have no other choice than a store brand. Works for me.
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Post# 894717 , Reply# 5 8/19/2016 at 13:57 (2,803 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Didn't there used to be a brand called Parson's? Oh my gosh, they've change the label, which used to have gold letters on a black background, and here it is for 2016! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Tomturbomatic's LINK | ||
| Post# 894720 , Reply# 6 8/19/2016 at 14:22 (2,803 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
Ammonia in cool, lukewarm, or warm water (not too hot) is good for removing blood stains. I've heard hot water can set blood. I think a light soapy solution w/ ammonia can also be good in hot water extraction machines for removing wine or blood stains from carpet too. Something about ammonia seems to destroy the color in these substances.
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Post# 894723 , Reply# 7 8/19/2016 at 14:56 (2,803 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 894731 , Reply# 8 8/19/2016 at 16:51 (2,803 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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Thanks guys, so I see that some of you truly love the performance of this stuff.
Good to know, that can be used also on dark(er) loads. I didn't know that. (I was a bit skeptical on how it behaves with colors) For now I only used it on whites. Tomorrow I wil try it on a darker load of t-shirts stained from perspiration from these hot days. Spray window cleaner - that's also a good idea. Thanks Tomturbomatic | ||
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Post# 894751 , Reply# 9 8/19/2016 at 21:08 (2,803 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Ammonia liquid is nothing more than ammonium hydroxide
Dissolved in water.
For cleaning the base/alkaline properties of ammonium hydroxide turn fats, greases and oils into a type of soap. When cleaning in say the wash or in a bucket the water carries the emulsified oils/grease away. Any trace of ammonium hydroxide left on clothing or surfaces evaporates. Liquid ammonia is quite volatile which is why it must be kept in tightly closed containers and or used quickly once mixed with water. That powerful whiff from a bottle of liquid ammonia is the ammonium hydroxide or when using for cleaning is returning to a gas. Ammonia is great for cleaning glass, mirrors and other surfaces because after the saponification process is complete via ammonium hydroxide the water it is dissolved in allows you to wipe/mop away the filth with a sponge, paper towel, or whatever. Again the remaining ammonium hydroxide will evaporate back into a gas leaving the surface dry. You use ammonia in laundry same as other base/alkaline substances; that is as a cleaning/performance booster and precipitating water softener. Because it is a base substance ammonia will act as an intensifier to oxygen (hydrogen peroxide) bleaches. For removal of blood stains professionals will apply liquid hydrogen peroxide to the stain, then add some ammonia. The addition of the latter speeds up what otherwise might be a slow process. | ||
| Post# 894759 , Reply# 11 8/20/2016 at 00:11 (2,803 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
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Tom,
That's the same recipe my mother gave me for all-purpose cleaner except she uses a Tbsp of dish liquid instead of a Tsp. You're right and it works great. Better that the stuff one buys in the store and cheaper too. The color in the dish liquid usually supplies the color. Put it in a good spray bottle and you're ready to go. Brian | ||
| Post# 894764 , Reply# 12 8/20/2016 at 01:13 (2,803 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Lemon Ammonia
is my fav. I started a thread about this on gardenweb forum a LONG time ago, and I've used ammonia in my laundry ever since.
I usually use ammonia/detergent/hot water on lights and colors (I just pour it in the drum of my FL) and then I use a tad bit of chlorine bleach on whites. Of course you must NEVER mix BLEACH or AMMONIA Ammonia is great stuff and is definitely a detergent booster. I always felt something was missing when washing lights and colors (like detergent itself wasn't enough) I've never used a particular brand and it's usually generic. | ||
| Post# 894773 , Reply# 13 8/20/2016 at 05:32 (2,803 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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As Launderess said "ammonia will act as an intensifier to oxygen" therefore it makes sense that the whites come out even whiter.
Thanks Tom for th window cleaner recipe. I will do it. I made my own "scale remover" putting to soak the lemon peel for a month (or 20 days) in a big jug of white vinegar. After a month I filtered the solution through a cotton cloth. It came out a bit jelly but it works. I use it as a scale remover for my shower. It can be used also as a Rinse Aid in the dishwasher. Back to Ammonia. I can find here two tipes of ammonia. The regular one (just ammonia) and the one with a bit of detergent in it which is also a bit perfumed. Sadly we don't have ammonia with lemon scent. I would love it. | ||
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Post# 894775 , Reply# 14 8/20/2016 at 06:01 (2,803 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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 Before my wife retired in 2013 she wore perfume to work quite often and ammonia was/is the only laundry additive that could neutralize any residual scent left in her clothing. She's been a dedicated user of the stuff in the laundry for years, and now I'm a loyal convert too. We use it so much that we buy 3-4 gallons at a time from Fleet Farm at $1.79/gallon. CLICK HERE TO GO TO polkanut's LINK | ||
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Post# 894783 , Reply# 15 8/20/2016 at 06:46 (2,802 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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CU explained that using less of the liquid dishwashing detergent in the formula reduced the chances of streaking when using it on glass where the washing is not followed by rinsing. More detergent is great for cleaning other surfaces, especially if the washing of heavy soil is followed by rinsing. | ||
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Post# 895024 , Reply# 17 8/22/2016 at 07:19 (2,800 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Post# 895061 , Reply# 20 8/22/2016 at 12:07 (2,800 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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yeah, no matter what comes out on the market....we always return the basic of stuff from the past......
the new stuff is just gimmicks, some does work, but at what cost? you should always have things in your setup of cleaning products, which will clean just about any stain.... Baking Soda Ammonia Bleach Hydrogen Peroxide Club Soda Hair Spray and not just for laundry..... actually, if any cares to, share some of your products and cleaning tips | ||
| Post# 895062 , Reply# 21 8/22/2016 at 12:20 (2,800 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 895064 , Reply# 22 8/22/2016 at 13:11 (2,800 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
Just curious Do you add the ammonia in the wash with detergent, or wait for the first rinse as you would bleach?
I would assume in the wash, as it doesn't appear to interfere with the enzyme action of the detergent.
Just wanting clarifications. Thanks
I keep Ammonia around to clean my stainless steel cookware. Just put it in a plastic trash bag, pour in a cup of Ammonia and sit on the patio in the sun. A few hours later take it out and the grease etc just wipes right off.
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Post# 895078 , Reply# 23 8/22/2016 at 14:33 (2,800 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 895080 , Reply# 24 8/22/2016 at 14:39 (2,800 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 895083 , Reply# 25 8/22/2016 at 14:45 (2,800 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 895088 , Reply# 26 8/22/2016 at 15:12 (2,800 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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| Post# 895099 , Reply# 27 8/22/2016 at 16:43 (2,800 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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I've put the ammonia into the drawer of my frontloader just after the powdered detergent was flushed away.
I don't like to put nothing directly into the empty drum because (I'm afraid) it can goes into the drain hole or can be flushed down into it with the water. The only thing I put into the drum is the specially designed "dosing ball" for liquid detergents. I would put detergent and/ or aditives directly into the drum only if I would have a washer with forced recirculation system as many of the latest machines are, but not mine. | ||
| Post# 895271 , Reply# 28 8/23/2016 at 11:35 (2,799 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Your Maytag
would drain it if you put it in the drum? How things have changed I guess. My Duet doesn't drain anything. It just starts filling.
I didn't realize some modern machines dispensed bleach at different times. I assumed they all went into the first rinse. Gornje - You're probably right. It's probably best (in a FL washer) to open the dispenser after the powder has flushed down then pour in the ammonia from there. I did not think of this. | ||
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Post# 895391 , Reply# 30 8/23/2016 at 21:06 (2,799 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Martin--- Do any of your front-loaders dispense bleach during the wash tumble, or is that your top-loaders? I thought all front-loaders dispensed during the first rinse.
Mark-- The pump on my Maytag 8100 kicks in for a few seconds upon start-up, as does Harley's. Any liquid poured into the empty drum will be ejected as soon as you press start. I suppose I could use a detergent pod and pour ammonia in the liquid detergent cup. I'm surprised at the number of people here who use it! I can't recall ever purchasing it. My mom used it a couple of times when I was little and the scent freaked me out. Of course, I'm the one who finds the scent of liquid chlorine bleach comforting, so...to each his own. | ||
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Post# 895453 , Reply# 31 8/24/2016 at 07:58 (2,798 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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I tried it for two loads. First was cotton sheets. It seems to have pulled some of the color out of them. They did come out very "fresh". Second was a mixed load of whites and kitchen towels. Did seem to make the towels "brighten" a little. Slept on the sheets last night and found them rougher than usual. | ||
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Post# 895467 , Reply# 32 8/24/2016 at 08:45 (2,798 days old) by Dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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| Post# 895490 , Reply# 33 8/24/2016 at 10:30 (2,798 days old) by rpms (ontario canada) | ||
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| Post# 895499 , Reply# 34 8/24/2016 at 11:35 (2,798 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I think it actually
says on the back of the ammonia bottle how much to put for laundry, but I've always eyeballed it. I've never noticed any roughness or color change on anything using ammonia, even if poured straight up on clothing. It's not a pleasant smell, that's for sure. I hold my breath when I pour it in the washer.
@ Frigilux - I find the faint scent of Chlorine bleach comforting too....just a super clean smell, but only very diluted. I have always filled a spray bottle with distilled water and a tablespoon of chlorine bleach and that's what I wipe everything down with....but that straight up bleach smell is too strong.. | ||
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Post# 895532 , Reply# 35 8/24/2016 at 13:43 (2,798 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 895533 , Reply# 36 8/24/2016 at 13:45 (2,798 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 895553 , Reply# 37 8/24/2016 at 16:05 (2,798 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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lets see, on the Calypso, the first rinse is the bleach dispense....granted it most likely works so well, is it recommends 1 cup of bleach, for about 4 gallons of water....cold rinse at that....
the Neptunes and Cabrio add it during the last few minutes of wash the Maytag 806 is not timed, so it is dispensed at the moment agitation begins....same for the 1-18 Kenmore direct drive machines, with timed dispensers, added it during the last 2 minutes of wash.... the thing with bleaches now is you have to watch the concentration or percentage of sodium hypochlorite......where it used to be across the board at 4%.....now depending on the 'ultra', can be as concentrated up to 9%....only meaning you have to use less per load, and the dilution factor for a HE machine versus a typical old school top loader.... depending on the load, usual amounts for Ammonia to add is between 1/2 to 1 cup.... if you can find it, try Parsons Ammonia Lemon......probably one of the best smelling Ammonias around....fresh yet not over powering... ammonia doesn't seem to be as damaging to clothing like bleach can......I add it to the start with detergent... | ||
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Post# 895554 , Reply# 38 8/24/2016 at 16:22 (2,798 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 895562 , Reply# 39 8/24/2016 at 17:03 (2,798 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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Post# 895671 , Reply# 40 8/25/2016 at 11:55 (2,797 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 895804 , Reply# 41 8/26/2016 at 07:50 (2,796 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Thanks for the bleach-dispensing info, Martin. So the Neptune front-loaders released bleach during the wash tumble. Interesting.
The 1960 Kenmore Model 80 I grew up with dispensed bleach during the last 4 minutes of the wash. You'd hear the unmistakable 'clunk' of a solenoid which lifted a plunger in the dispenser and shortly the scent of detergent and bleach would waft out of the machine, helped along by the waterfall from the lint filter. Ah, memories... | ||
| Post# 895846 , Reply# 43 8/26/2016 at 13:06 (2,796 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I finally bought more today
Kroger only had the home sense brand....no lemon scent like they usually do, so I had to buy the plain old regular kind.....but it still works. I bought some at the dollar store once.....lemon scent. I can't remember the brand name, but the bottles were really BEEFY compared the Kroger brand and it was also lemon scent...
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| Post# 895972 , Reply# 45 8/27/2016 at 19:49 (2,795 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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Post# 896017 , Reply# 46 8/28/2016 at 07:38 (2,794 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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Post# 896240 , Reply# 47 8/29/2016 at 16:39 (2,793 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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Been trying ammonia in some loads and it is doing a good job. I've been using a full cup in the Fridgimore since it actually uses water to do it's job. Any suggestions on how much to use in the MT since it "washes" most loads in air? | ||
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Post# 896252 , Reply# 48 8/29/2016 at 17:19 (2,793 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I would like to try using ammonia in the laundry, but I'm concerned about the fumes. I'm very sensitive to ammonia fumes (I have asthma that is aggravated by chemical fumes). Last week I put a cup of ammonia in a glass bowl on the top rack of my dirty oven with a pan of boiling water on the lower rack and closed the door( I think the fumes were coming out of the oven vent in the right rear burner). I had intended to leave this in the closed oven overnight then clean it the next day. Within a little over an hour the house was so full of ammonia fumes I had to open the windows, put on 2 air filters and clean the oven to get rid of the fumes. So my question is, if I use 1/2 cup of ammonia in an FL are the fumes going to drive me out of the house? Inquiring minds would like to know. Thanks in advance for any feedback!
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Post# 896258 , Reply# 49 8/29/2016 at 17:48 (2,793 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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well granted a FLer does have an air vent of some sort, its not totally sealed once the door is closed.....
and depending on model.... as a TLer, you would smell bleach, ammonia, and detergents from the machine.... may be a bit more subdued with a FLer.....you actually might get more scent from the drain line/laundry tub than the actual machine..... all I can say is try it, and possibly in lower doses, and like your oven, just be prepared to open windows if needed....this also depends on the laundry locations for smells and such......... besides, for a Fler, you wouldn't need all that much....1/4c to 1/2c would be plenty.... | ||
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Post# 896260 , Reply# 50 8/29/2016 at 17:55 (2,793 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Thanks Martin, I didn't even think about it, but when I use bleach, I really don't smell it much at at, but I sure did in the TL, so I'm gonna give it a try, (but without bleach!) I made that mistake when I was about 15 and was doing the laundry at home alone. We didn't have much bleach, so I added what we had and then topped it off with Parson's Sudsy Ammonia. Holy mackrel!!! It's a wonder I didn't kill myself. When my Mom got home I told her what I had done. She said, you idiot, didn't you read the labels! I guess not Mom,but she was just home from work and tired so I'll cut her some slack, lol!
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Post# 896278 , Reply# 51 8/29/2016 at 19:29 (2,793 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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yeah, theres a few that shouldn't mix with each other, this probably the worst....
we all been there, done that!....even after were told not to.... I was known at work as a 'stain master'......if I wasn't asked for advice, I was given the actual garment/stain to remove..... probably the only stain I could never remove.....yellow mustard from a 7-11 hotdog....that one stuck, any other type, I could get out... working in a laundry helped a lot.....and sometimes we mixed concoctions to treat a stain......at this point the fabric was ruined, we couldn't make it any worse.....we had some wins and loses...but had to give it a try.... | ||
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Post# 896285 , Reply# 52 8/29/2016 at 19:49 (2,793 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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Yogi, you think 1/4-1/2 would be about right for the MT topload? | ||
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Post# 896794 , Reply# 53 9/1/2016 at 17:47 (2,790 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA) |
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Liquid dish soap and LCB not to hijack the thread but while we're on the topic of mixing bleach and ammonia: Remember to not mix Chlorine bleach and liquid dish detergent. Most of them have some form of ammonia. back to the subject. :-) | ||
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Post# 896796 , Reply# 54 9/1/2016 at 18:23 (2,790 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Post# 896810 , Reply# 55 9/1/2016 at 19:55 (2,790 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA) |
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I have to agree with YogiTunes. The 1/2 cup has been working great in my front loader. | ||
| Post# 896909 , Reply# 56 9/2/2016 at 17:31 (2,789 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 896983 , Reply# 57 9/3/2016 at 08:25 (2,788 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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This morning I washed our shower curtain liner which had developed a bit of mildew along the bottom edge with a mixture of 2 scoops of Sears detergent (orange box), 2 tbsp. STPP, ½ cup Stanley Degreaser, 1 cup bleach & 1 cup ammonia both heavily diluted in our Maytag Dependable Care tl'er. The water level was set to Large which would equal about approx. 15 gallons. The water setting was set to HOT (135°-140°F). This was followed with a warm water & white vinegar rinse. It came out great! But, being the goof that I am, I forgot the before and after pics. DUH!
No problems with any fumes because both chemicals were added at different times. The ammonia at the beginning of the fill, and the bleach when the machine was just about full. I also added some white towels to ease the wear & tear on the vinyl liner. | ||
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Post# 897303 , Reply# 58 9/5/2016 at 15:46 (2,786 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin) |
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 I have never used ammonia with laundry but after reading this thread I am going to try it tomorrow. I never have a problem washing whites, but in my attempt at treating colours more gently, I can have issues. I have just done a bit of google research and it would seem that it's especially good for removing sweat smells and oil/greasy stains. These are the exact two issues I have problems with.
The only way I can normally get my coloured clothes clean is by using a long, warm wash with a full dose of good detergent in soft water. This just about gets out the underarm smells/deodorant/anti-perspirant (when I smell the underarm of a shirt, I want it to smell identical to the rest of the shirt). As for fat stains (from cooking/eating) I have to spray some stain remover before washing otherwise they don't tend to come out first time. Perhaps the miracle I am looking for is ammonia. I could just toss some in with the wash and all fat stains and underarm smells will be banished without pre-treating and perhaps I could even use a shorter/cooler cycle. Let's see... | ||
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Post# 897309 , Reply# 59 9/5/2016 at 16:51 (2,786 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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Post# 897316 , Reply# 61 9/5/2016 at 19:05 (2,786 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Fat, grease and oil stains
Again it isn't necessarily ammonia you want, but alkalinity which can be had from various substances.
In the old days table linen and anything else with fat/oil stains would be presoaked in lukewarm to warm water that a bit of washing soda, borax or similar substance had been added. It was that old saponification reaction at work again. The alkalinity of the base substance would react with the fat/oil causing the latter to become a type of soap that could be washed away. For pretreating fat/oil stains my favourite go to has always been a bar of laundry soap. Fels Naptha (vintage) is my top choice, but on other side of pond there are things like Fairy and other "green" soaps. Not green as in ecological but the actual color. | ||
| Post# 897317 , Reply# 62 9/5/2016 at 19:08 (2,786 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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Post# 897319 , Reply# 63 9/5/2016 at 19:14 (2,786 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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True,
While it does have some uses for stain removal (blood), and so forth, much of the lore surrounding ammonia came up from when soap was the dominate laundry "detergent"; that is it acts as a wash day "booster". No different than say boxes of washing soda and other products sold then and today to enhance performance.
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Post# 897338 , Reply# 64 9/5/2016 at 20:59 (2,786 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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