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Thermador Wall Oven / $25 / San Diego
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Post# 894989   8/21/2016 at 22:49 (2,801 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Looks to be in good shape..


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Post# 894993 , Reply# 1   8/21/2016 at 23:51 (2,801 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Another. Nice one, $100


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Post# 895022 , Reply# 2   8/22/2016 at 07:12 (2,801 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

Wow, nice! On the first one which is the one we had, what is the small knob/dial for? Ours had the timer on left, oven control on right, but not the small knob. Interesting wiring on the second, would that be a 3 phase unit?

Post# 895162 , Reply# 3   8/22/2016 at 23:15 (2,800 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
TD Ovens

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On the older SS oven the small radio type dial is a infinite switch to adjust the intensity of the broiler while broiling.

 

The 2nd TD double oven is the great Micro-Thermal top oven model CMT-21, the power cable is a standard single phase 120-240 hook-up just like ALL US ovens and electric clothes dryers, How many homes would have 3 phase power to operate an oven any way ?


Post# 895258 , Reply# 4   8/23/2016 at 10:22 (2,800 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

Combo, the Miami house was 3 phase, built in 55? It needed different models of A/C which was not easy to find after the Fridig water cooled unit died in the late 80's. Most of the houses I've owned were 3 connector with NO ground as opposed to the newer 3 connector with ground.

Post# 895267 , Reply# 5   8/23/2016 at 11:17 (2,800 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
3-Wire vs 4-Wire

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Cuffs, what you are describing (and what is shown on this oven) is a 3 wire split-phase system. You have two hot wires and a neutral, both the hots are ~120v to the neutral but they are ~240v between one another since the AC waveform is 180 degrees opposed. This is single phase distribution since the opposite hots are derived from a centertapped secondary on a single phase fed transformer. I have never seen a residential home with 3-phase power, but I suppose there could be one somewhere.

Recently they added a 4th wire to the standard 240v AC connection in homes. The 4th wire provides a true ground that doesn't carry any load current. In the 3 wire system the neutral acted as a surrogate ground. In the majority of residential cases the neutral and the ground are bonded in the service panel, so the neutral should be ground potential, but a 4th wire makes for an added safety ground.


Post# 895556 , Reply# 6   8/24/2016 at 16:43 (2,799 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

I remember at the high school I attended (built in '66), that the range and dryer receptacles in the home-ec room were all the 4-wire type. They were connected to a 120/208 volt single-phase circuit, which originated in a three-phase panel. Although they could have purchased special models for the 208 volt service, they got standard 120/240 volt appliances. The reason for this is that two local appliance dealers (Frigidaire & GE) provided most of them at no cost, and switched them out every so often. Since they wanted to sell them afterwards, they had to be ones that would work in most homes.
They used 4-wire cords and receptacles because the circuits originated in remote panelboards, rather than in the main service as would be the case in most houses. Even 50 years ago, the code required that the ground be separate from the neutral in that situation. I've also seen ranges and dryers in large homes use the 4-wire configuration, due to being connected to a remote panel. The only place the neutral and equipment ground are allowed to be joined in in the main service entrance.


Post# 895582 , Reply# 7   8/24/2016 at 22:16 (2,798 days old) by Ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Thatcmt-21...nice unit and price. Four wire talk here is nothing I'm familiar with, so interesting read guys.

Post# 895590 , Reply# 8   8/24/2016 at 23:42 (2,798 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Here are the pics on the second Thermador I posted, before they are taken off Craig's and this wire discussion will be left hanging...


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