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Thread Number: 6694
A Miele Auction With a Whiff About It |
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Post# 134246 6/7/2006 at 23:35 (6,529 days old) by launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 134258 , Reply# 1 6/8/2006 at 00:57 (6,529 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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I'm assuming that its 50Hertz Since that machine isnt available otherwise in the US. I dont know how the electronics and speed sensor etc will cope with the difference in frequency. | ||
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Post# 134264 , Reply# 2 6/8/2006 at 02:29 (6,529 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 134283 , Reply# 3 6/8/2006 at 06:54 (6,529 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 134586 , Reply# 4 6/9/2006 at 04:55 (6,528 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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worst of all...
Our "220 Volts" here in Europe is single phase 230V AC 50Hz and has nothing, zip, nada, zilch in common with the 2-phase 240VAC 60 Hz circuits you folks use. Laundress is sooooo right - whoever buys these (admittedly wonderful machines) and hooks them right up... Will blow their little electronic brains to smithereens and quite possibly have a nast shock hazard and fire to go along with it. This is dangerous, unsafe and frightening. Liebher, by the by, has sold commercially in the US... | ||
| Post# 135417 , Reply# 6 6/13/2006 at 15:17 (6,524 days old) by mrx () | ||
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The UK and Ireland use a different system. Same voltage and frequency though. BS1363 rated 13A 230V 50Hz --- plugs are individually fused! 
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Post# 135419 , Reply# 7 6/13/2006 at 15:53 (6,523 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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well, not quite
Actually, the water fittings would most certainly be English Common - never saw a Miele yet that wasn't. Maybe in the UK and Eire it's different, but on the continent we use 3/4" and so on for kitchen and laundry equipment. If the house were hooked up properly and if the wiring were redone correctly and if we are talking about 3-wire single-phase mid-point neutral and not the weird stuff you still find very commonly in many rural areas of the US - like where I come from - then yes, mrx, you probably won't see things frying or creating a shock hazard. You could only speak with such certainty if you had never lived in the backwoods of the US like I have. A purely resistive load would not be troubled, but I have my doubts regarding an inductive loading coupled with the usual dirty spikes to be found in American electrical systems...you are speaking of a theoretically "ideal" split-phase and reality in the US is not the least teeny-tiny bit like this. In an era of poorly protected electronics I shudder to think what would happen there. Oh, wait - we just had Philips recalling several LCD TVs for exactly that problem in the 'States. I have read reports of city folks moving on to farms, thinking the genuine 3-phase hookup was the standard 220V two live relative to a mid-point neutral and running one live leg out to the neutral/ground. Oh, heavens, I see you frowning...the wild leg... | ||
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Post# 135459 , Reply# 8 6/13/2006 at 20:43 (6,523 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well you all can stop fretting about American 220v power supplies and Miele. Word on the street is Miele is due to launch an 8kg washer along with matching dryer (gas and electric) later this year, and the washer will run on 120v/60hz. IIRC there is an 8kg Miele already on sale in Oz,and the USA model will be a close cousin. L. | ||
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Post# 135599 , Reply# 9 6/14/2006 at 15:32 (6,523 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Don't the electronics work on low voltage DC? I dont think an internal rectifier cares if the input is 50Hz or 60Hz. :-) Similarly I dont think there is a difference in US or Euro 220V- Both are 1 phase. Except perhaps that here both conductors are "hot" instead of one being a grounded (earthed)one. IIRC, there is an additional risk (with two hot leads) that a ground-fault will cause the machine (or parts of it) to begin operating [by receiving 110v] rather than short-circuiting and blowing a fuse. | ||
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Post# 135638 , Reply# 10 6/14/2006 at 19:54 (6,522 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 136440 , Reply# 12 6/18/2006 at 11:53 (6,519 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City) | ||
I did ask Miele this question when I bought my appliances...
The cycles are different and will NOT be able to opperate correctly. I belive we are 50 cyc, and EU is 60 cyc, if someone knows better, please fill in the blanks. She told me that if I were to take my machines overseas, they would not work right.i would be better off to buy new in the EU. i just wonder what this person who won the aution is going to do when they find out that they have been taken for a very expensive and rude awakening............Here is a thought,....these are not really even here, he or she payed 4000 for pics of machines? Those do not need any special wiring at least??!
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Post# 136935 , Reply# 13 6/20/2006 at 18:11 (6,516 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Ritchie,
'tis the other way 'round. North America: 60Hz. Europe: 50Hz. Until recently, UK: 240V, Continent: 220V. Theoretically it is 230V, 50Hz, single phase with separate ground to earth everywhere now. But, of course, that is not quite right. We use non-polarised plugs over here - you can see the pictures Mrx was kind enough to post above - and in the UK they have not only great big gigantic enormous clunky old fashioned plugs - but each one has a built in fuse, so if something goes wrong there is a very good chance of the fuse preventing serious damage to the appliance or the wiring in the walls. Makes the g.b.g.e.c.o.f. plugs worth it and then some. Much faster reaction time than the circuit breakers have. On the down side, we still have lots of "classic bridges" running here, where the chassis ground is nothing but the neutral line. Since there is always some idiot who reverses wires - and, it being AC, this does not necessarily cause a problem - this leads to a supposedly safely grounded appliance being a horrible danger. You can, though, get most US stuff to work happily over here as long as it is not dependent on a 60Hz line. Many motors run more slowly, clocks of course - well, forget mechanical ones. The opposite is not quite true. Motors which are dependent on the frequency for their speed run too fast; other elements which are sensitive to frequency usually will tolerate a slightly lower one better than a higher one. Interestingly enough, the 60Hz frequency is seen (outside North America) as being quite dangerous to the body in case of electrical exposure. The 50 Hz is moderately less so. Of course that 230V does more than make up the difference... One nice thing about 230V is that line cords can be half the diameter as needed for 120V at the same level of power consumption. Makes electrical things easier to use. The 230V system also is more stable under loading than the 120V system - but that has more to do with the fact that the North American system has been neglected more or less since the 1950's. Oh - nearly forgot. The UK uses bayonnet-based light bulbs. These have lots of advantages over the continent, where we (basically) use the Edison base (ja, ich weiß, die sind nicht ganz identisch...) Thanks to the European Union, the folks who gave us the properly bent banana, it is theoretically illegal for a home-owner to even change out a light bulb...this must be done my a master electrician. Like the other 99.99% of the nonsense which comes out of Brussels, even we Germans ignore that.(But we manage to feel guilty about it.) | ||
| Post# 136995 , Reply# 14 6/21/2006 at 05:14 (6,516 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City) | ||
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Oh my...
Well, sometime, I will need to go there and see it in person for myself. i have been out of the country once, and that was to Canada.I am courious about alot of things in the EU and surrounding Europe.It seems to me that they think and plan for the future. It is not like they manage to elect poloticians that can put full size feet in to their mouths sinaltaniosly, and still manage to play a good golf game. They are looking at all phases of life and safely for their people,and really thinking outside of the box.I bet they still have papertrails overthere.I would like to live there sometime,maybe in Ireland or England.i am of Europan decent 3rd generation.I could see if my Mieles could work there. | ||
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Post# 137459 , Reply# 17 6/23/2006 at 07:20 (6,514 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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it was a joke
Once again we see that there is absolutely no meeting of minds possible between German humour and the Islands version of the English language. Sheesh. This particular euromyth came about because some electricians in Germany really did want to forbid homeowners even the most routine of tasks such as replacing light switches or electrical outlets and figured the EU would support them, given their leaning towards making absurd laws. As for the fuses...well, guess the places I've stayed at in the UK where they blew before the circuit breakers did must have all been just exceptions set up just for me. Something I'd trust my Scottish cousins to do, if 'tweren't so expensive. :-))) | ||
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Post# 137500 , Reply# 19 6/23/2006 at 10:24 (6,514 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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ah, but then
I think the Italians are still in trauma from having to run the rest of Europe a few years ago. Well, ok, it was about 1600 years ago, give or take a few centuries... :-))) What fascinates me most about the Italians is their passion for demanding the EU do this that and the other; formulating and promulgating laws explicit and brilliant in their range and compass. Then ignoring them completely as either un-enforceable or not in keeping with human nature. As my Aunt is fond of saying "ma - il Te..., sorry, some folks get upset when I dare to write other than English, so we will translate - "well, you Germans may have civilisation. That is true. But we, we have culture." Which is a very nasty thing to say. Not only is it arrogant, worse - it is true. | ||
| Post# 138075 , Reply# 22 6/26/2006 at 12:45 (6,511 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent) | ||
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you germans!! panthera you says that you ignore Brussels? Lucky you, you only have to try to ignore that city for 50 years. We over here try to ignore it for about 175 years, and we still manage to do it!! Only the belgians know how to ignore Brussels. :-) | ||
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Post# 138305 , Reply# 23 6/27/2006 at 16:30 (6,509 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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nun ja,
I was thinking more of the Eurocrats than the people of the city. I have always found them to be pleasant and surprisingly welcoming. Of course, maybe they thought we had come to pick up the parliment and take it away. Would explain why they were so nice... But that's ok. You can keep them. You have much more experience with them than we do... | ||
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