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Post# 909734   12/5/2016 at 12:24 (565 days old) by corgigrrl (Reading, PA )        

I'm new here & of course I have the same question as many newcomers.
I had a Maytag washer & dryer for about 23 years, don't ask me what kind, they were the type that worked! I took them for granted. Put dirty laundry in the washer, wet clean laundry in the dryer & when it was dry, took it out. In all those years I had about 3 service calls.
Fast forward-I've had my Maytag Maxima X front load washer & dry for about 3 years. Hate isn't even a strong enough word for how I feel about this washer. I'm fed up so I decided to replace it.
My choices are: a small shop that sells reconditioned appliances, the last non HE machine that Home Depot & Sears has: GE Appliances GTW330ASKWW 3.8 cu. ft. Top Load Washer, OR new Speed Queen AWN432S Top Load Washer. I just read on some of the threads that the Speed Queens are not the best as they are praised to be.
I tried to read through here for recommendations, but things get too technical for me. I just want clean clothes, no mold, no pampering the washing machine by drying it after every use etc. Just clean, fresh smelling clothes! Is that too much to ask?!

Post# 909738 , Reply# 1   12/5/2016 at 12:40 (565 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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IMHO. LG makes the best washers and dryers. I've had both their top and front loading models and they got my clothes really clean and fresh smelling, dried them fast and were fun to watch. I had one that needed an overhaul but lava and sand from the beach caused that.I found it at tube dump and LG sent the parts. The tub,bearings, pump,and drum were all replaced and $325 was the cost for all the parts.I sold it for $600.That was two years ago. No problems and a happy customer.

Post# 909744 , Reply# 2   12/5/2016 at 13:07 (565 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Boy are you ever going to get bashed for that!!!!!! LOL Actually I too have an LG made front load washer & dryer. Had them for over 3 years now with no problems at all. In fact, I had an old Maytag set up to that point and I like these far better than the old Maytag set. Speed Queen is supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I see no real indication of that myself and they do not have many features which I consider important.

Post# 909746 , Reply# 3   12/5/2016 at 13:15 (565 days old) by wishwash (Illinois)        

Well, it seems like your best bet is to stay away from a front loader or HE top loader.

From what I can tell, the GE's are okay but the quality isn't quite what Whirlpool has on their standard top loader. The GE is an "HE" washer - it is basically an impeller washer with a pole bolted to the impeller. It works kind of like an old school top loader, but not quite. I want to recommend this to you because I'm all for efficiency, but I don't think you'd be happy with it.

If you really want no fuss and can afford a Speed Queen, get one. While I do think SQ is a bit overrated, there's nothing else that you can buy brand new with an old school motor and belt driven transmission. They are ironically similar to what Maytag used to build. If you want to save some cash, look for a reconditioned Maytag or possibly a Whirlpool Direct Drive.

Post# 909747 , Reply# 4   12/5/2016 at 13:16 (565 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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Can you tell us some of the issues you have had with your Maxima set?

You sound reluctant to go the front loading route again...


Post# 909758 , Reply# 5   12/5/2016 at 14:19 (565 days old) by corgigrrl (Reading, PA )        

My Maxima dryer is okay. I don't mind not being able to use dryer sheets & found I do like the wool dryer balls. The only thing I don't like is doing bedding & I get a sheet burrito with pillow case filling, even when I move the laundry around mid cycle as directed.

Now the washer is another story. Between the mold, large hair whorls, clothes washed that don't seem clean, some stains never coming out(grass stains did come out in the old Maytag)& having to wipe the bellows & door dry after every use plus a monthly maintenance wipe down with diluted bleach, tangled, wrinkled clothing, I have had enough.
Yes, I ALWAYS kept the door open when not in use. I know someone will ask.
I spoke to Whirlpool customer service, who of course, could do nothing for me & it was as though they'd never heard of a mold problem in new machines.
BTW Why do they still have Maytag commercials when Maytags aren't even built by Maytag?! I hadn't known about that until I called.

Post# 909763 , Reply# 6   12/5/2016 at 14:59 (565 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Mold dosen't suddenly appear.

It's been narrowed down multiple times what mold comes down to: Overdosing, underwashing, undercaring.

Given you mention that stains don't shift I suspect you are using mostly cold water cycles. That is a no-go. Detergent should be dosed according to manufacturer, a 'good' detergent should be used, and softner should be used with caution. A monthly empty cycle with bleach will reduce the risk of mold by a great deal. And most everyday loads will benefit from warm washes, and so does the machine.
Whiping down with diluted bleach won't do a thing. I had to soak my shower curtain in pure bleach for several hours when I moved here just to get the mold out.

Post# 909772 , Reply# 7   12/5/2016 at 16:51 (565 days old) by Wishwash (Illinois)        

Most dryers tend to ball up the sheets anyway, so a new dryer won't fix much.

The Maytag commercials are all marketing. I think their main push is durability backed by a 10 year warranty. I would actually consider stepping up to Maytag if I were in the market for a Whirlpool built product, just for the peace of mind.

If you're really dead set on a different machine, I'd honestly buy secondhand. There are so many old school Maytags out there that can be had for around $100 if you know where to look, that wash very similarly to a new Speed Queen...

Post# 909773 , Reply# 8   12/5/2016 at 16:58 (565 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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no need to wipe the machine down, leave doors/drawers open....

your into an HE world, a few things will have to change a bit over a regular TL machine....

basically, your allowed one cold wash, every tenth load, no more! least one load a week should be hot from the tap, or boosted if available, and BLEACH!, such as a white load...

warm or hot washes, ALWAYS....and this means checking your warm really warm, or dubbed down to cool?...if your water heater is not set high enough, and especially in colder seasons, you may have to wash strictly in hot....

a good detergent, like Tide, Gain, Persil, etc.....even a few boosters if needed, color safe bleach, ammonia, borax....

for an HE machine, softener can be used, just diluted down....mix your bottle 50/50 with water, one tablespoon is more than enough....

getting past the mental part of what your used to with a standard TLer is not always easy, but giving any HE machine proper water temps/chemical, and let it do it's thing, it really can turn out clean laundry....

the hardest part is adapting to the machine.....

if you do feel a need to change back.....just about any DirectDrive machine would fit the bill....will most likely be used, but are available in plentiful numbers...I have 3 sets available for sale if your interested...

manufacturers have been slapping multiple names on machines for you think Sears built Kenmore?...

Post# 909797 , Reply# 9   12/5/2016 at 19:46 (564 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

I have a next to TOL SQ top loader I bought about five years ago. Some friends of mine got theirs at the same time. Because I have so many vintage machines hooked up, my SQ is fairly low mileage.
On the other hand, my friends SQ is very high mileage and has been washing for 7 adults and 2 babies since it was installed ( with it's matching dryer). None of us has ever needed a repair. We are always satisfied with the results and if we needed another machine we would buy another SQ.

Two years ago I bought a BOL SQ set for my office. Those machines regularly do one or two large loads a day of very soiled laundry, mostly sheets and towels. They have given us trouble free service and always clean whatever we put in them very well.

Foul odors are never a problem.

I highly recommend the SQ top loaders.

Post# 909820 , Reply# 10   12/5/2016 at 23:09 (564 days old) by corgigrrl (Reading, PA )        

Yogitunes-Way too many rules in my mind=pampering You can call it adapting!

Gyrafoam-thank you for your input! That's good to know because even the least expensive model is more than I was planning to pay!

henene4-Mold may not suddenly appear but you can suddenly notice it if your machines are in a badly lit basement & you had no idea mold was an issue with these machines. I admit I'm not the most observant person & I wasn't vigilant with drying, wiping, bottle feeding & diapering this machine.
Once I realized I had a real problem & hit the internet, I found all sorts of things. I even ran this recipe to clean my machine out of desperation that had 2 gallons of vinegar soaked in old towels, a tbsp or so of powdered dish detergent & salt by TechnoFresh, who promises you a clean machine if you use their powder once a month. It just made my machine smell like a pickle for a few days.
To make a long story short I tried everything to clean this thing & I mean everything!!
So I called a local appliance repairman who ordered a new bellows for me. $148 plus installation is a painful way to learn a lesson.
That's what got me around to thinking if I"m going to spend $400 to get a machine I hate repaired, why not get a reconditioned one? Then I came across the Speed Queen & thought maybe this will be a better value in the long run because buying an old machine could still be a crap shoot. You do get a 90 day warranty but it could still turn out badly.
Wishwash I'm not planning on getting a new dryer. I can deal with a little irritation, it really isn't a big deal.

Also, the repairman said he has a Maytag Maxima X at home & loves it.

Post# 909831 , Reply# 11   12/6/2016 at 00:47 (564 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

What Yogi said can be boiled down to "Don't wash in cold water".  Plain and simple.


I've had a front loader for 6 or 7 years, no issues, no mold and VERY clean clothes.  But I have never used cold water.  I will never consider anything but a front loader.

Post# 909834 , Reply# 12   12/6/2016 at 01:14 (564 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

I have the Speed Queen AWN432, and though its not the end-all, be-all washer, its very good. Certainly can't beat the warranty, very well made that should last many years, cycle times are fast, and clothes are outstandingly clean and fresh smelling. The agitator is good and not too overly aggressive. I think of it as a good no-nonsense, no bells-and-whistles, washer. I really like the simplicity of the design and I keep it in mint condition after each wash day, wiping it down. If you get one, be sure to register it with Speed Queen before you use it.
To be fair, I think the capacity could be a little larger for the price paid AND a good lint filtering system installed. I went on Speed Queens web site and they said there is no lint filter system. (Lint on dark colored clothes can be a problematic if not using a dryer, I bought a good clothes brush and I do make good use of it.)Water levels in the washer weird, esp. on small loads (it uses a lot). If you have high water bills, might want to reconsider. Also,do NOT overload this washer. It could be a little quieter also.

Don't want to sway you one way or the other, these are just my own observations after over a years use. Still, glad I bought it, very much so. It fits our needs at our house. (I'm a caregiver and work full time, so fast cycle times are important to me.) Best of luck to you and your decision. Hope this helps.

Post# 909840 , Reply# 13   12/6/2016 at 04:09 (564 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

I too had a Maytag washer and dryer, from the late 90's. It was a terrific washer and dryer. I gave them to someone who still uses them all the time. I needed much larger capacity for my ancient mother who is incontinent and lives with me now. At the time she had a king size down filled comforter I hated taking to the laundromat. I bought an LG made front load washer and dryer that I stacked. It has been the best set I have ever owned as far as getting the clothes clean and being trouble free. I have had it for over 3 years now. The door on the washer is made to stay slightly ajar, so it can always be airing out when not in use. It also has a self clean cycle that I run every so often. I have no mold, no foul smells or any other issues. I do use hot water for many of the loads, but have some things I wash in cold too. The dryer does tend to roll sheets into a ball, but I just check mid cycle and straighten them out, so they will all get dry. All in all I have been very happy with them so far. The washer does have a heat boost cycle and many other features. I am a bit puzzled at the problems you have had with the Maytag Maxima, since I have always heard good things about them. Perhaps you just got a lemon. I do think that going back to a top loader would be a step backward. Front load machines are designed to use less water and do the job as well or better than a top loader. With the machine I have now, it does an excellent job of washing, rinsing and spinning the clothes almost dry. So I save a lot on drying time too.

Post# 909843 , Reply# 14   12/6/2016 at 05:30 (564 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Speed Queen TL

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A Speed Queen TL machine may be your best bet at this point. Although, it seems that only the electronic controlled machines are full fill. There is evidence the 432 machine only fills to about 80% water level due to the Eco control.


Post# 909849 , Reply# 15   12/6/2016 at 06:20 (564 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Seems like with regulations that seem impending, Speed Queen top loaders could be a thing of the past soon. They certainly would not be able to operate very well as an HE machine. I guess we will just have to wait and see. As much water that is wasted on other things, I don't know why they would worry about something like that anyway.

Post# 909851 , Reply# 16   12/6/2016 at 06:35 (564 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

I adjusted the water level on all of our machines to get it back up to where it was meant to be. The Government interference causing SQ to back it off a bit every year. Ridiculous.

Post# 909854 , Reply# 17   12/6/2016 at 07:05 (564 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
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If Speed Queen eliminated one or more of the TL models and introduced a FL with Boosted Hot, I wouldn't mind at all.


Post# 909855 , Reply# 18   12/6/2016 at 07:12 (564 days old) by Wishwash (Illinois)        

It's nice that SQ is still leaving the ability to adjust the water pressure switch in the equation. I'm not too keen on Whirlpool's deep wash feature... It indeed is a deep wash! I like the way GE allows you to add a few gallons at a time. Whirlpool it's all or nothing.

Post# 909858 , Reply# 19   12/6/2016 at 08:15 (564 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I am not trying to be rude, just the cold hard facts.....its not rocket science, and no magic wand....

no matter what, your going to spend time and money if you stay in your direction = but that's senseless!...and there's no need to...

we sure don't do it...there are a lot of experts here who know what their talking about, we hear these types of stories all the time....

we know how machines get scummed up, filthy, moldly, mildewed....hate to tell you, it ain't the machine!...

and we KNOW how to correct it...a little effort to bring them back, and they stay that way from there on...

you only have one set to care for....many of us have a lot in our collection, we don't spend hours cleaning and scrubbing and a slave to our machines.....some windex and wax, and they stay bright for months....inside and out!...

and you don't need to run any sort of 'clean washer' fact, mine don't even have one, and doesn't need it either!

for the most grimy of machines, bathroom cleaner with bleach and mildew/mold remover, and a heavy dose of pool chlorine on a long hot cycle....once and done, never needed cost under $10.00

these are just my front loaders, only one set was bought brand new in 2001, the rest came in all grimed up....can you find the new ones?

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Post# 909861 , Reply# 20   12/6/2016 at 08:30 (564 days old) by corgigrrl (Reading, PA )        

MattL-I don't mean to be difficult but never washing in cold just isn't an option. I would say maybe 9 out 10 cycles need to cold because of fabric instructions & my Polar fleece sheets. These things are the bomb!! But you have to wash them in cold & dry them on low to care for them properly & then they never pill.

Now you guys got me worried if I don't get a SQ now, I may not want one in the future, due to more government regulations.

Gyrafoam-How exactly does one adjust the water level?!

Also, I was wondering if maybe our water had something to do with this? We lived in a gated community that has 3 wells since 1990. We don't drink our water & have too many boil water alerts to keep up with anyway. It does leave a coral colored residue behind. We do have a filter but I still feel our water is hard so I always add borax or Arm & Hammer washing soda to each load, the latter to help with odors, usually from my son's clothing.

Should this effect the machine & it's results?

I'm hoping I can go to the appliance store today & check out the SQ. I'm doing some price checks & then we'll see which store.

Post# 909864 , Reply# 21   12/6/2016 at 09:01 (564 days old) by corgigrrl (Reading, PA )        

Yogitunes- I scrubbed that bellows with everything I had to clean my bathroom (Clhorox spray gel cleaner, Lysol Power & Free etc.) plus anything else I could find when I Googled the problem! CLR was supposed to work, it didn't really make a dent. My husband worked on it too, he said.

How would you clean this bellows?

My best answer was to start fresh with a new one & make darn sure to take care of it this time.

Post# 909870 , Reply# 22   12/6/2016 at 09:22 (564 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
I have 3 sets available for sale if your interested...

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Perhaps you could detail the three sets you have for sale?
Or link to a post...


Post# 909875 , Reply# 23   12/6/2016 at 10:03 (564 days old) by brucelucenta ()        
Speed Queen

If Speed Queen would join the 21st century and put a heat boost on their front loaders, I would be interested in one the next time around.

Post# 909896 , Reply# 24   12/6/2016 at 12:39 (564 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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you do realize a few things,

continue with the excess of cold washes, will only return the same mold concerns....the bellows is not the only thing that the mold has attached to, dispenser areas, hoses, the outside of the tub, plus the outter tub....if you only think its contained to one area, guess again...

piling is caused by excessive rubbing of a traditional agitator, you wont have that with a front loader...

a dryer, even on low temps, is going to run in areas of 140 to your subjecting those sheets in temps higher than washing in hot water...

the coral color left behind on your sinks and showers is most likely PH levels out of whack....I get that too when my tanks run out....but it doesn't affect washing results, it does however kill any scents from detergents...

are all your neighbors having the same issues with their washers, or just your location?..

sheets are finicky in a dryer....some will ball up, especially Queen/King with elastic all around the fitted sheet.....usually best to dry the sheets/pillowcases alone...

adjusting water levels is done at your own risk....

Post# 909899 , Reply# 25   12/6/2016 at 12:50 (564 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Ordinary clean or Speed Queen Clean?

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The choice is yours.

Or as Packard Motor Car once advertised "...........ask the man who owns one".

Post# 909915 , Reply# 26   12/6/2016 at 14:38 (564 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        
Chiming in

We've owned our Whirlpool Duet for a little over 2 years now (Model WFW72HEDW) and we have had no issues with mold at all, or smells and boy does it ever clean well.

Couple of tips if you do want to go with another FL or start fresh.
First I've heard that you need to ALWAYS wipe down the doors and seals after a cycle including the drum. Well...what we do is when the cycle ends, open the dispenser drawer and main door, take the wet laundry out and toss it into the dryer, start it and walk away. Not once in the 2 years have I ever wiped anything down after a cycle.

Second regarding the seal, I came up with a cleaning method when we first got the unit, I like to wipe the seals down with one or two Lysol wipes at the start of each new month. At this time I also go in and wipe the dispenser housing with the wipe and then dry it off with a towel. Then I take the dispenser and in hot water I wash the main dispenser and rinse out all the softener residue (I've never once diluted fabric softener. Lastly I dry everything and off, put the dispenser back together and usually with bleach or a washer cleaner tablet, I start a "clean washer" cycle, come back 40 minutes later and I put it into a HIGH spin cycle to really help dry all the tubs out. The main cleaning of the dispensers and the seals takes around 5-10 Minutes and to be fair, I've sometimes skipped this maintenance procedure and don't do it for the new month.

Regarding cold washes, we do around 2-4 cold washes in a month for darks like jeans.

Lastly regarding the top loaders, my only one suggestion can be a SPEED QUEEN TOP LOADER and NO HE TOP LOADER. The GE is in no way a comparison to a proper Speed Queen Top loader. I linked some videos down below to both machines doing cycles.

Speed Queen Top Load:

GE Top Load:

Post# 909924 , Reply# 27   12/6/2016 at 15:38 (564 days old) by corgigrrl (Reading, PA )        

OOPS Yogitunes!!
I meant 1 out of every 10 is a cold water wash!! Big difference there!!
Also, could you please tell me exactly how to clean your machine using pool chlorine so I can try this? I don't have a pool so I have no idea what to buy or how it comes packaged. How much do you use & where do you put it in? I hope I can still find some at this time of year.
We have over 1,000 homes in our community & I have heard some people's tubs, toilets & sinks are permanently stained, so I guess we are lucky ours isn't that bad.

Thank for your advice! Your routine sounds completely uncomplicated & doable to me!
I was definitely leaning towards a new machine & now I think if I can get this Maytag cleaned up & follow a maintenance schedule, I can work with it. I've already learned a lot from this discussion.

btw Has anybody heard of Technofresh? Does anyone use any products similar?


Post# 909926 , Reply# 28   12/6/2016 at 15:47 (564 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

I think if you get your machine cleaned out and up you will be happy with it. They really are pretty good machines as washers go. You don't need pool chlorine, just plain old chlorine bleach will do very nicely. That stuff for your washer will work, but you can do it yourself with just chlorine bleach.

Post# 909929 , Reply# 29   12/6/2016 at 15:54 (564 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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yeah, finding pool chlorine at this time of year, going to be slim....

in any case, I get it at Lowes, you don't have to buy a big bucket, they are available as a small pouch, I think it holds like 2 or 3 cups....around 5.00...

your next best bet.....Cascade Platinum powder dishwasher your dishwasher, works best on hottest temps....and longest exposure

normally 1 to 2 cups, depending on how bad the machine is, hottest wash cycle/option....and you may have to repeat this more than once....stopping the machine to let soak, the longer is has to work on the grime, the better....

might even be best to boil water on your stove, and then add that to the machine...

Post# 909935 , Reply# 30   12/6/2016 at 16:28 (564 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Doesn't it have a heat boost option?

Post# 909945 , Reply# 31   12/6/2016 at 17:29 (564 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Please, please never mix chlorine cleaners with any other cleaners.

Especially with pool chlorine, don't try to do multiple things at once.

First disinfect (Chlorine)
Descale (acidity; vinegar or citric acid)
Then Clean (DW detergent).

Go only one route at once. Make sure that there is no possibility of any bigger mixing!

Chlorgas can get f-ing nasty...

Post# 909954 , Reply# 32   12/6/2016 at 18:49 (563 days old) by imperial70 (******)        

I have to concur with Yogitunes. I own a GE PFWS4600LWW (now discontinued) and I have a clean washer cycle that is really not required. I never have a smells or growth or discoloration of the boot. I wash my towels and whites in hot water. I use bleach. I have been watering down the softener. I use Tide HE turbo, All Small and Mighty as well as the All pods. I love my front loader for the flexibility. You can't get an overnight ready cycle or steam refresh cycle with a top loader.


Post# 909984 , Reply# 33   12/7/2016 at 05:32 (563 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I've had my Asko for just short of 20 years! I have never had to buy any of the washer cleaner treatments nor does it smell. I use fabric softener in every load, I have a water softener, and I use Clorox and very hot water in all my white loads. I don't think I've ever washed a load in cold water since I bought it new in 1997. The door is always left open. I can look through the spin holes in the drum to the stainless exterior tub and see that it's still shiny with no scummy buildup.

Post# 909992 , Reply# 34   12/7/2016 at 06:55 (563 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

Funny how the old front-loaders never had a sanitation problem.
Of course, in those days, detergents had phosphates and the manufacturers weren't trying to peddle products for "cold" water only, everybody used either a Hot or Warm wash with a Warm rinse. Bleach was a common additive. So was ammonia.

You never saw or heard of products to "wash" your washing machine.

If the public saw the "black vaseline jelly" that forms where they cannot see they would understand where that nasty odor originates. Washers have becomes sewers for laundry.

Also, for the normal household there is not a huge difference in the operational ,savings of TL vs FL.
Because of the extra cost of a FL it would take ten years or so to get a return on that expenditure. Just not enough savings in water or detergent to make a huge difference. Certainly not as much as the people who peddle these machines like to tout, unless you are washing ten loads a day seven days a week.
And, unless it is in short supply,such as well-water, water is still a pretty cheap and available utility.

My old KAid Dishwasher cleans circles around all the newest expensive stuff because it uses plenty of water. And it cleans and dries them in about 35 minutes instead of two hours. The typical FL washer takes forever to wash a normal load. We have't advanced very much when a Unimatic will wash a load in 25 min.

I dialed-up the water levels in both my Fridgemore FL and my newer SQ TL. Both of them clean well with no sanitation problems and associated foul odors. I don't care how much water I use. I want clean laundry and dishes! I also add my own phosphates, as my water is hard in this area.

As it stands today, I can't think of one brand of TL machine I would buy over a SQ. I would rather have SQ's Cheapest TL than anyone else's best. If I HAD to buy a FL I would also get a SQ (although I completely agree with Bruce that they need internal heating).

Post# 910002 , Reply# 35   12/7/2016 at 08:13 (563 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Steve (Gyrafoam) "Washers have become sewers for laundry."  


Has to be one of the wittiest folks I have ever had the pleasure of meeting in person from AW!  


OMG Steve, LMAO, you are hysterical, but ya know what??????????????????  Straight to the point and you are ALWAYS exactly correct.  Your descriptions are perfect and fit every circumstance.



Good luck Ms. Lisa!  You asked, they/we responded

Post# 910004 , Reply# 36   12/7/2016 at 08:21 (563 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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yeah, I agree, the cost of a FLer, hoping in todays standards, you get 10 years out of it, only to finally pay for itself....where are your savings?

but yeah, for doing a lot of wash, the only savings I see, or rather the advantage to a FLer, is HOT WATER.....if your not using it, a FLer is worthless...detergent used to be a savings, until the special HE formulas came out, making them cost savings there...

I went from a childhood one cycle wonder filter flo, to a TOL Kenmore with every bell and whistle on it.....for what?.....only to return to using Normal cycle, warm wash, cold rinse....never touching the other cycles.....I just don't see a need for all the fancy cycles and options....

plain jane machines seemed to last longer as well....

Post# 910021 , Reply# 37   12/7/2016 at 12:22 (563 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        

We have had our Duet for 6 years now and it is fantastic. Our washer is on the main floor and sees quite a bit of airflow. I am wondering if your basement needs a dehumidifier to help? Just a suggestion. I never run a clean washer cycle because I find it more efficient and effective to run a sanitize cycle with towels. My machine sees small amounts of bleach every week and has no odors or molds. I have used too loaders that smell FAR worse than you would expect. Too much detergent, low temp washes, no bleach, and Fabric Softener are disastrous combinations. Hot water on the Normal cycle = a warm wash. Try the whites cycle for towels, sheets, whites, and rags. Adjust your laundering habits for a few cycles and see what occurs before spending butt loads of $$$. HE top loaders will not provide as clean or as fresh laundry.

Post# 910024 , Reply# 38   12/7/2016 at 12:51 (563 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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I too totally agree with Martin (Yogi). I have owned 6 different FL's over the years and my current washer is an LG WM3170CW that I have used for over 18 mo. I have never had an issue with mold or odors from any FL I've owned. I wash just about every load in hot, maybe 3 times a year I'll do a load in warm, but never cold. I use bleach in every load of whites and always use fabric softener. At the end of every use I take a clean wash cloth and dry the door window, gasket and dispenser drawer and leave the door and dispenser open while the clothes are drying. On the LG there is a magnet that keeps the door slighly ajar when not in use and I think this also helps keep the machine aired out.

And I also agree with Martin about the simple BOL machines being more practical. I almost never use any of the specialized cycles. I programmed my LG favorite cycle for the Perm Press cycle (it uses more water), hot wash normal soil level and water plus. This way I just have to press 3 buttons and the cycle begins. The only thing that I would change about the LG is make it less sensitive to finding a "sweet spot" for going into a spin. Seems like it could be programmed to begin at a slow spin speed to get the load distrubuted evenly and gradually pick up speed until it reaches the max spin speed for the cycle. The long time that it takes to go into a spin sometimes seems like a real waste of time.

Post# 910031 , Reply# 39   12/7/2016 at 13:44 (563 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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gyrafoam, you move to the head of the class my friend. And allow me to call you friend.

You demonstrate common sense and logic, something that is absent among the eco-nazis these days.

You echoed what I have said, verbatim, for a long time now. Thankfully I'm not alone here, I might not have a mom or dad any longer but at least there is someone who can think outside of the box and not succumb to media hype about climate change, water shortages and the sky falling.

Only thing I'll add to your post is the stupidity of dishwasher cleaners. Yikes! LIke the FL or TL machine which have been neutered beyond belief, we're now supposed to spend extra $$$ and buy another man er excuse me, human made chemical to clean the very machine that is supposed to CLEAN our dishes! I supposed that might make sense to someone but it makes no sense to me. Sure, I use a whopping 2.5 gallons of water on a typical load, but I buy an extra chemical to ensure the machine stays clean for the next load. And this is cost effective how? What about the expanded carbon footprint? Algore, can you hear me?

Et cetera...........

Post# 910041 , Reply# 40   12/7/2016 at 16:07 (563 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        
Just relaying my own experience.....

Our 50 year old turquoise Maytag A606 finally gave out on us before Halloween. I immediately began searching the internet for info and reviews. I also came to this forum and sought repair guidance.
Well it turned out to be a pretty much impossible fix having to with the transmission and parts are no longer available.

After so many years with the same "old school" washer I was shocked at what is now considered a "washing" machine. I even considered buying used off craigslist if I could find something older, to my surprise they have been making crappy direct drive machines for many years.

Then I heard about Speed Queen. Ok, some may call them overrated but as soon as we saw that it is belt driven, metal gears, adjustable water level, mechanical dial and made in Wisconsin we ordered one from our local appliance dealer (and we supported a small business)

Picked it up three weeks ago and I cannot believe how happy I am. I spent many sleepless nights, literally, worried about this decision. Just like the appliance man said, this as close to my 50 year old Maytag as I will find nowadays.

I can report that it indeed washes the clothes well, I can adjust the water to the level *I* want, it is a simple to use dial, the cycles are fast and the water spins out excellent. The lid does not lock so I can add clothes mid cycle.

I DONT use what I sarcastically call the "gov't mandated" cycle, the "Normal/Eco" cycle. And this machine gives me that choice.

And when I compared the price to those advertised at Best Buy, Sears and Home Depot etc it really wasn't that much more. Well unless you are comparing it to the models they sell for three hundred bucks.

Best purchase I have made in years, absolutely no regrets. I still miss the old Maytag but she hasn't gone far. She's still in the basement.

Post# 910054 , Reply# 41   12/7/2016 at 17:55 (563 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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msmaiden, you made a wise choice that will serve you for years to come.

FYI......I sold dad's AWN542 to the dear friends who helped me with the house for shall I say.....ahem......a very good price. No I did not gouge them! But they got the deal of the century believe me.

They took it out over the weekend. Replaced a worn out something or another TL machine with a rather small tub.

Guess what? I receive a call today not from wayne, nor Jason, but Sharon, the wife.

She wondered "where has a machine like this been hiding all these years?" I said well Sharon, it was at xxxxxxx port St Lucie FL for the last 5 or so years. She laughed and said, hells bells, had I known that I would have tried to get it sooner!

Yet another satisfied SQ user......ok Alliance, where's my finders/keepers fee?

Post# 910057 , Reply# 42   12/7/2016 at 18:13 (562 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
air flow

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I know some of the newer FL models have a vent fan built into them, but I came across a universal retrofit fan online a few days ago. Anybody used one here? We don't need it since we always leave the door open but it might help some. One is velcro, the other is magnetic. A person doesn't have to spend a lot of money on their product, a small computer fan would work if one is a little handy.


Post# 910077 , Reply# 43   12/7/2016 at 20:53 (562 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
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My SQ set came home last April (Front Loaders) see pic,  and I couldn't be happier.  There is NOTHING on the market toady to compare with SQ.  Enjoy the SQ it will serve you well for years.  Let's see some pics, here's one of my set


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Post# 910091 , Reply# 44   12/8/2016 at 00:24 (562 days old) by Corgigrrl (Reading, PA )        

Which model did you choose? I actually AM losing a lot of sleep over this!
I did find the receipt of my Maytag Maxima X pair last night. They were purchased in May of 2013. I have a lot of guilt over the idea of replacing a fairly new machine as the pair was expensive.
We do have mold & mildew problems in our basement, no airflow & we've needed a dehumidifier for years but Hubby insists it's not necessary even after cleaning & repainting the bathroom down there because of it. He says it only appears because the kids take long, hot showers. So idk.
2 years ago we got ductless AC installed & I was hoping that would help the problem. Previously we had no permanent heat source or any ac at all down there, except baseboard in the bathroom.
All that just makes new wonder if I stick with it, am I always going to be struggling with this issue. Also, I have been told in the past that LCB was not good to use in septic systems because it can kill some sort of beneficial microorganisms.
I think coming here might have made my decision more difficult because of the directly opposing viewpoints.

Keep it, clean it, take better care of it & follow the rules to keep it clean
Just get a Speed Queen for $1,000. Keep the lid up, move on & find something else to worry about. But it's my understanding that I better get one before the 2017 models come out if do.

Post# 910093 , Reply# 45   12/8/2016 at 00:33 (562 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo )        
SQ me too

Our SQ AWN542 and matching elec dryer are 4yrs,4 mos old and we're very pleased. I'm 62 and love the classic sounds,good/quick cleaning,simplicity and ability to change any part of cycles any time.

Having to rinse towels at least twice most times to get the 'bubbles' gone is a negative,but the smoothest spin of any washer I've seen is impressive.

I'd buy these again NO question.

Post# 910094 , Reply# 46   12/8/2016 at 00:36 (562 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo )        
uh oh

Looks like I need to update my 'background'! '55-'96 Whirlpool,yes. Current,no way.

Post# 910115 , Reply# 47   12/8/2016 at 07:03 (562 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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I`d keep it. Tossing such a nice and expensive washer after not even 4 years would be a "sin".

First of all you need to clean it thoroughly. Run the longest possible cycle empty with at least 2 cups of bleach. Do you have a sanitize or clean washer cycle? Those would be just perfect. Don`t forget to wipe down the rubber boot and the detergent drawer with bleach then rinse well.
Next I would run another hot long cycle with dishwasher detergent. Put 3-4 dishwasher tabs into an old sock and place it directly into the drum. This way you keep the tabs from being caught in the door seal before they dissolve.

Now that your washer is clean and free of mold you can keep it this way by following a few simple rules. No special pampering is required.

#1 Detergent
Don`t skimp on the quantity of a good detergent. Respect dosing instuctions. While it is true that FLs use less water and so the detergent gets less diluted you also have to consider the fact that the amount of soil the detergent has to deal with will still be the same. If there is any kind of nasty build up in a washer it is always the result of constant underdosing.
A build up from using too much detergent is a total myth in my opinion.
Go easy on the fabric softener, though.

#2 Length of cycle
If you dose correcty and still find your clothes aren`t as clean as you`d like them you might have used the wrong cycle.
Front loades are very gentle on clothing compared to toploades but they require a longer washtime to get great results. Don`t be afraid of using long cycles intended for heavy soiled clothes even when washing daily loads. Your clothes will still last much longer than in any toploader.

#3 Temperature
Go easy on the number of cold wash cycles. If you cannot or don`t want to use chorine bleach on a regular basis you could use the sanitize cycle at least sometimes for sturdy things like towels or sheets.
Don`t take the care labels too seriously use common sense instead.

#4 Ventilation
Leave at least the door and when possible the detergent drawer open when the washer is not in use. There shouldn`t be any need to wipe dry anything, just let it airdry and leave open.
Doesn`t look good but it is essential for a happy front loader.

If you follow a few simple rules you`re gonna love your FL. Promise!

Post# 910118 , Reply# 48   12/8/2016 at 07:17 (562 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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My advice is go look at a ton of machines and pick the one you like. Everything is so subjective these days, you won't get a unbiased opinion here. LOL

Post# 910141 , Reply# 49   12/8/2016 at 11:02 (562 days old) by corgigrrl (Reading, PA )        

Thank you askolover-the fan sounds like a great idea for me even though $100 is pretty salty, but they are OUT OF STOCK!! not expected to be restocked for 3 to 4 months. Just my luck :(

You're quite right that it's almost a sin to toss such an expensive machine. I'm going out later & will pick up some Persil. As I said, pods are not dissolving so I'm done with those. I have never been a fan of fabric softener. I don't use scented laundry products either. If I want to smell pretty, I'll wear perfume. I don't need the scents of my laundry competing with the other personal products I use like shampoo, curl creme, etc. One of my pet peeves. I just don't use it.
It's funny that I don't actually have "whites" to bleach. Hubby doesn't wear white T shirts or tighty whities & neither does my son. So that leaves socks! My daughter wears head to toe black for her job. I have 2 very hairy dogs (Corgi & Sheltie) & would NEVER buy white towels.

So,at least for now, I'm going to keep, clean & care for my Maytag. Hopefully I will be able to get a fan too, & that should help.
I thank everyone for their input. Perhaps, when this machine bites the dust, there will be better options.

Post# 910146 , Reply# 50   12/8/2016 at 12:10 (562 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Have you had your water properly tested by a lab. From the sounds of it sounds to me like you have a high iron content if you're getting that light reddish (coral colored?) residue.  Many people try or are told to solve the iron issue with a water softener which helps somewhat but doesn't work anywhere near as good as a dedicated whole house iron filter (which looks somewhat like a water softener) . Plus with an iron filter there's no  salt to add etc..   

Post# 910288 , Reply# 51   12/9/2016 at 06:37 (561 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi Stefan, [ mrboilwash ] Your advice is 100% on the money, I should print it out and give it out to our customers.


Hi Lisa, you are correct that you should not use a lot of bleach if your waste water goes into a septic tank, but using a little is going to be less harmful than going back to a TL washer where you a dumping 50 gallons of water into the ST every load instead of 15 gallons. A FL washer like yours only needs a 1/4 cup of bleach to do its work compared to over 1 cup in a TL washer and it is OK to bleach dark clothing and certainly the dogs towels etc.


Yesterday I was working on 1990 Maytag TL washer on Capital Hill and it was a stinky-slimy-moldy mess we were scraping mold and gunk from under the tub cover and top of the wash tub with a putty knife, that was gross.


The problem with going back to a TL washer is you have to use a lot more detergent and about 6 times as much hot water to get close to the cleaning efficiency of a FL washer, none of witch is good for the septic tank or your budget.

Post# 910343 , Reply# 52   12/9/2016 at 12:22 (561 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        

Sorry to reply late. The model I chose was the only top load with the mechanical dial, AWN432SP113TW04.
It is also the cheapest however that is not why I bought it.

I was actually tempted by the mid model AWNE82SP113TW01 with the touch pad. It was $50 more. As we looked over each unit in the appliance store and I kept "playing" with the pad and dials (another good reason NOT to buy floor models in stores LOL)hubby pointed out what I already knew: The mechanical dial just felt *right*, for me. Now that it is home and I am using almost daily I am absolutely in love.

I do not like touch pads. I even bought a wall oven three years ago that still had dials. I just discovered dials are no longer an option. Cannot buy one anymore. So glad I bought it when I did.

When I talk about the price I know over $800 is alot of $ but I am looking right now in the Sears ad and one of their "better" top loaders are advertised at $500 on sale (regular $800 but we know how these stores manipulate prices). They also have one for $300.
Personally I wouldn't give them $100 for either one. I'd rather put the money towards something better made right here in the US. And being an "old school" washer my husband can fix problems if they crop up.

And yes, I did hear that new, more stringent water "saving" measures are coming for dishwashers and washers, thanks to our meddling gov't. I'm thinking it was a blessing in disguise that my old one finally bit the proverbial dust when it did.

Just my opinion.

Post# 910345 , Reply# 53   12/9/2016 at 12:43 (561 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        
One more thing...

As instructed by the appliance dealer Glenn I only use about 2 tablespoons of detergent.

I copied this from a question answered at the SQ website on water usage:

"A mini cycle is 16.3 gal, small is 18 gal, medium is 19.7 gal, and X-large is 21.5 gallons"

According to Glenn my old Maytag averaged 50 gallons. I have been mainly using the small and medium water levels but did an X-large when it first came home as I had weeks worth of laundry.

IF I need more water there is a "reset" on the dial, turn to it and more water is added to the tub.

Post# 910346 , Reply# 54   12/9/2016 at 12:45 (561 days old) by Kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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When running cycles to clean the machine don't run the machine empty, wash a full load of absorbant rags or old towels. Without any laundry to hold water to spin out, you will have minimal incidental splash in the top of the drum. A full load will spin out water all over the drum.

Another helpful hint is to switch detergents frequently, different formulations work better against different deposits.

With proper usage a front load machine will never get smelly. Any you get to enjoy the improved performance a front load machine offers in cleaning ability, capacity, efficiency and increased garment life. No doubt the Speed Queen top loaders are solid machines, but I'd never choose one, especially on a septic system.

Post# 910398 , Reply# 55   12/9/2016 at 19:17 (560 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Your Maytag used the quoted amount of water for a full cycle ... two fills, one for wash & one for rinse, so only half the total is for the wash water.

My guess is that the quoted SQ water use is for the Normal Eco cycle which does not run a full-fill rinse, so you're closer with it on a single fill to the Maytag amount than you think in regards to detergent dosing requirements.

Post# 910466 , Reply# 56   12/10/2016 at 10:21 (560 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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I really must disagree here with the claim of putting articles into a Clean Washer cycle.
Especially if you use the designated "basket clean" or "clean washer" cycle.

My Maxima spins the basket very quickly in both directions to wash water up around the boot and around the whole tub.
Washers today will often SENSE whether there are clothing in this cycle. If it senses articles in the clean washer cycle, it will stop and error out.
RUN THIS CYCLE EMPTY with designated machine cleaner, dishwaher tabs or just pure chlorine bleach.

For front loaders, I highly recommend (from experience) if you're using Tide or OxiClean machine cleaners, use less than the recommended dosage. These suds up far more than Whirlpool's "Affresh." And I had suds pouring out the back of my machine through the vents.
You've been warned.

Good luck.

Post# 910469 , Reply# 57   12/10/2016 at 10:37 (560 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

I was going to mention the same thing, John. And thanks for the tip about not using Tide Washing Machine Cleaner in the Maytag Maxima. Since procuring one about a year-and-a-half ago, I switched from the Tide product to Affresh, as per machine instructions. The manual also states the machine will abort the cycle if it senses anything in the tub.

The 'clean' cycle on my 2010 Frigidaire was very anemic. Not enough water; not enough action to scrub the boot or outer tub. Phil's advice about filling the tub with rags would have worked perfectly with that machine.

The Maxima, on the other hand is definitely a hurricane in a box! There's no doubt scrubbing water action is reaching the top of the outer tub. I've only run the 'clean' cycle three times in a year-and-a-half, primarily to watch the dramatic water action, LOL. I use chlorine bleach and boosted hot water temps frequently, so doubt there's much build-up. No tell-tale funky smells, at any rate.

Post# 910473 , Reply# 58   12/10/2016 at 10:57 (560 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        

I am not on a well but on town water. I want a machine that will actually fill up.
I realize others have to consider how much they use ie my own mother has a well.

The eco cycle is an option for those who need it.

Post# 910494 , Reply# 59   12/10/2016 at 12:23 (560 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
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I didn't realize you had a Maxima - Anyway - My duet is before FL machines started having designated clean washer cycles - I later found out mine has one built in but you have to enter a sequence to get it to work - I only use LCB when using the clean washer cycle. It fills with a LOT of water and rotates the drum really FAST, almost literally spinning with a tub full of water (both directions) - the ONLY problem with mine is it doesn't use HOT water, only it doesn't do as good of a job as later machines with some built in ones. I don't even think the heater is even active in mine during the clean washer cycle.....I hardly ever use it anyway, but I have used it a few times. It's pretty wild to watch. Good to know about the machine cleaners and not using too much.

Post# 910622 , Reply# 60   12/11/2016 at 10:19 (559 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Wow, many thoughts

and opinions.
I'm not recommending or discrediting any washer, but a friend just bought a Maytag
WVWC415EW top load washer for $347 at Best Buy for his rental property.
3.5 cubic ft. capacity, stainless wash basket, full dual action agitator, water levels, temp. selector, extra rinse option. Nothing fancy, and easy to operate.
He asked my opinion, as many tenants do not take care of things, he didn't want to spend much. The former washer in that unit was a 90's direct drive top line Whirlpool he got on clearance as a floor model. It survived several tenants abuses.

Post# 910874 , Reply# 61   12/12/2016 at 23:26 (557 days old) by Corgigrrl (Reading, PA )        

You are making me sad!! I looked everywhere for a Maytag like that!

Hubby decided he would put the new bellows on for me so I'd stop obsessing over washing machines, I'm guessing. He had back surgery but was cleared of restrictions only last week. It's not his trade & I was quite relieved when it was up & in working condition again! Thank goodness for YouTube!

I'm now using Method, a concentrated liquid detergent, plus about 1/2 a cup of borax thrown in the tub & began filling my softener section with white vinegar. Laundry has been coming out smelling fine.
When they say not to use powered detergent does that include borax & washing soda?
Also, does anyone know why it says on the directions, the Gains pods shouldn't be cut open? I've done it & worn my cleaning gloves in case it's because you're not supposed to get any on your skin. I have a huge tub of them that I bought before I had problems with pods not dissolving.

Post# 910889 , Reply# 62   12/13/2016 at 04:01 (557 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
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I think they say not to cut them open because they are supposed to open themselves in the wash. I used them for a long time (have some now) and have never had a problem with them not dissolving...but I have never washed a load in cold water. Every load I wash is either in very warm or hot. I don't know what would cause them to not dissolve properly.

Post# 910891 , Reply# 63   12/13/2016 at 04:21 (557 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I'm not sure about Method detergent. I had a small supply (trial bottle from Target), and I felt that it seemed like there was some buildup in the washer tub. Not sure if it was Method, the washer (which was a piece of junk), or just my bad luck... I'd try it again, but I'd be careful to keep an eye and nose out for signs of buildup.


I think some have argued that using different detergents might help keep the machine cleaner. 


I do tend to like using different detergents...but part of that is I get bored with the same detergent. Plus there is something to say for detergents for different jobs. 

Post# 910924 , Reply# 64   12/13/2016 at 08:53 (557 days old) by wishwash (Illinois)        

I have to argue that detergents may not be an issue. I've used what many consider "bottom of the barrel" brands for years, in both front and top loaders, and have never had an issue with mildew. That being said, I do run the occasional hot wash...

Post# 910932 , Reply# 65   12/13/2016 at 09:58 (557 days old) by Corgigrrl (Reading, PA )        

No matter what temperature I used, the pods did not dissolve. This wasn't just the Gain pods I use for sheets & towels but even the All free & clear pods I used for clothing. Even the Affresh tab sample did not completely dissolve when I ran the clean washer cycle!
Just asked Hubby & he said hot water adjusted to about 110 degrees.
I do have a rather large bottle of Method to use up, plus some liquid All & a few pods of that, a large tub of the Gains pods & I just picked up a bottle of Persil. So I will vary between those, cutting open the pods because I never want to deal with that goo again! Good be Gone helps but it smells like gasoline!
The appliance repair man did tell me over the phone that it doesn't really matter what you use, just don't use too much of it.
Also, I normally wash in warm, not cold. I only use cold for sweaters & delicates & the fleece sheets I use in cold weather. I could run a weekly hot water wash with some assorted items but I don't know if just 1 cycle a week would make a difference.

After Hubby had the washer put back together, I ran a wash & he watched with a flashlight to make sure there were no leaks. We were both shocked to see how little water there was when the clothes were actually spinning & washing! I thought maybe he made a mistake! I had never seen exactly what was going on in there. We both agreed that it didn't seem possible our clothes could get clean using so little water! It does explain how the large dog hair whorls get formed, though.

Post# 910935 , Reply# 66   12/13/2016 at 10:50 (557 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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110!.....theres part of your issue right there.....120 is usually the minimum, but not by a long shot, although its a scald safe zone, not all bacteria is killed in your water tank alone, and think, you may be drinking this....

if your machine has a heater, highly recommended it is used, as much as possible....

none of mine have a heater, for some, it works well, as it only climbs to about 140 on most water heater is set at 160.....

you have to consider, how cold is your incoming water, mixed with a low temp hot side, there can't be much of a warm temp.....AND, how far is your tank from the washer?.....are you purging the water line before starting the washer?....

most of the newer HE machines are using only around 3 gallons for a fill up....that's nothing if hot water is used....

plus you have to get past the mental thoughts of using an HE machine.....think of it as washing your hands, your not adding a lot of water and a bit of soap, its the other way around, a heavy concentration of soap, a little bit of water, and once cleaned, then a good rinse...

HE machines work well as a heavy chemical lather, gentle tumbling, even a soak period....and then several rinses to get rid of all the dirty water....

not saying that some of us have the same thought process.....all I can say, as my machines drain into a sink......wash water comes out dirty, the last rinse is clear, and the clothes are clean......puzzling, but I can't argue with the results...

Post# 910936 , Reply# 67   12/13/2016 at 10:55 (557 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I had a curious thought.......I took a mason jar, added ice and water, and one TIDE pod.....shook it up for a my surprise, it wouldn't dissolve!...

my thought was any contact with water and it would burst open, guess I was wrong....definitely needs a warm to hot supply to bust it open....

cant seem to find Tide Cold Water liquid on the shelves anymore, at least in my area....wonder why?

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Post# 910937 , Reply# 68   12/13/2016 at 10:59 (557 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        
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A hot wash at 110F is essentially warm when the thermal loss to the mass of the machine and clothes is considered. One of my washers runs 115F into the machine for warm ... ends up ~105F in the tub when fill is done.

Post# 910962 , Reply# 69   12/13/2016 at 13:33 (557 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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What model is your Maxima?  That way I can look it up and see what the features are.

Post# 910979 , Reply# 70   12/13/2016 at 14:27 (557 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Great experiment with the Tide Pod, Martin! Cold tap water is around 43 degrees in the dead of a Minnesota winter. Not quite ice cold, but close. Back in my pod days, I washed the occasional load in temp-controlled cold (around 60 degrees) with no problems. Gotta admit, I love letting my Maytag Maxima 8100 dose the (liquid) detergent according to sensed load size, soil level, etc. It does a great job. Pods will work in the Maytag---as with the 2010 Frigidaire, the tub doesn't rotate until water begins to enter---but I'm a liquids guy, now.

Persil ProClean 2-in-1
Tide Stain Release HE
Tide Cold Water Clean HE
Woolite For Darks (my beloved Perwoll Black Intensive has become hard to get and very expensive)

Post# 911018 , Reply# 71   12/13/2016 at 19:28 (556 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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It takes 150-160F to kill e. Coli bacteria....yes underwear has it on them. I read an article a few years ago saying that clothes washed in cooler temperatures actually come out contaminated. If the dryer gets that hot it will kill germs.

Post# 911483 , Reply# 72   12/17/2016 at 09:28 (553 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        
mold in frontloaders...

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Just some input from someone who has never owned a toploader (because we just don't have them here!)...

I have never ever had a washer go moldy on me. It's become more of a problem in recent years in the UK (never used to be) for a number of reasons. The rise in popularity of cool temperature washes and liquid detergents is directly responsible. Constant washing with a liquid detergent at low temperatures will cause the rubber seal on a front load washer to go moldy. It doesn't matter what washing machine you get, it will happen.

Whilst I appreciate that cool water washes and liquid detergents have their place, you can't use them exclusively. The best thing to do is, once a week as your final wash, gather all your towels and cloths and wash them on a long hot wash (minimum 60 degrees) with a good bleach-containing powder detergent. Doesn't matter if they're coloured towels, oxy bleach doesn't cause any noticeable fading for a long time. Towels should have a hot wash anyway, but the combination of the hot water and powder detergent will keep the machine clean and fresh.

The science is quite simply - powder detergents contain oxy bleach whilst liquids don't. So all the bacteria on your clothes - from underwear, arm pits, socks, bedding, cleaning cloths etc isn't being killed. Infact, you're creating a lovely damp environment for it to thrive on. So all the bacteria on your underwear is transfering to all your other laundry because it's not being killed in the washing machine.

My mother in law's washer absolute stank and was moldy around the door seal. As soon as she ditched liquids and pods and went back to using powder, the mold disappeared.

My FL Miele is 7 years old and there's not a spec of mold on it.

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