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Post# 913004   12/29/2016 at 13:22 by ea56 (So. Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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After reading some of Joeypete's posts about the new Maytag and Amana TL's I got interested and did some online research. I had been somewhat pleased with the LG FL set I purchased in May 2015, but I never could get used to the very long cycle times for the washer. I also didn't like that I had to use the Bulky cycle to get an adequete amount of water, but was then limited to med spin speed. And the water temps were way dumbed down, where hot was really barely warm.

So after much research I narrowed down my choice between the Amana 3.5 BOL, the Roper 3.5 BOL and the Maytag MVWC415EW. which is what I ultimately choose. I also purchased the matching electric dryer MEDC215EW. They were delivered 2 wks ago today and I have done 20 loads so far. I am so very impressed with these machines. I have washed the kingsize quilted bedspread, kingsize mattress pad, 2 king pillows at once(just the pillows at once, the bedspread and mattress pad were each individual loads) and they all came out beautiful. The bulky cycle fills to the top, and while its filling the tub slowly turns so the load is thoroughly wet down before the agitation begins. And the water temps are not dumbed down too much. I now actually can get really warm water if I select warm and the hot is pretty much the temp that comes out of the faucet. The cycle times are 45 to 60 mins depending upon what options are selected. Bulky with high soil level takes about 50 to 55 mins, depending upon whether I select warm or hot, ( hot takes longer to fill). The Powerwash cycle uses the hottest temp for both hot or warm water selections and takes 45 mins for high soil level with hot wash, 60 mins if I add the presoak option. And the whites really come out sparkling white using the presoak and high soil level. The bottoms of my white socks have never been cleaner. For most loads I use either the Powerwash or Deepwash, both of these cycles thoroughly saturate the loads and really do an exceptional job of cleaning. I was torn between the Maytag and the LG in May 2015, but went with the LG due to the drought and the fact that it used the least amount of water. I so wish I had gone with the Maytag now. This washer is in many ways the best I've ever owned. I get the option to use more water when its really needed and I can conserve water on most loads without sacrificing getting really clean clothes in a reasonable amount of time. The locking lid is not a problem at all, since I'm confident that this washer is really doing what it is supposed to do, The only load that went out of balance was when I washed the Rubbermaid tubmat, a tightly woven, cotton bathmat, the heavy cotton waffleweave shower curtain and the nylon shower curtain liner. I expected that this load would go out of balance because of the rubber tub mat so I stayed with the washer when it was time to spin. As I expected it went out of balance. I just paused the machine, opened the lid, positioned the load so it was balanced, restarted the spin and it finished the spin with out a hitch. On the LG this would have never happened. I would need to redistribute the load at least 3 times and the cycle time would have been almost 2 hrs. and I couldn't have even washed the rubber mat at all. So all in all I give this Maytag two thumbs up. Its made in Ohio so I can feel good about buying American. Now I know that the Speed Queen fans will all probably feel that I made a mistake. But I wanted the capacity that this washer offered and the option to use more or less water as I choose, so this was a win/win for me. The matching dryer is excellent in its simplicity. it dries fast and thoroughly, no damp spots when using the Auto Dry cycle.

Now the longevity may be an issue, this remains to be seen. But I have always had very good luck with my washers mechanically, with the exception of a Whirlpool portable I owned in the early 70's, so I expect that this Maytag set will also give me dependable service too.

Thanks Joeypete for planting the seed for me to make this change. Sorry the pics aren't better, the closet for the laundry is in the hallway and I couldn't back up enough to get complete shots of the machines.
Eddie


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Post# 913016 , Reply# 1   12/29/2016 at 13:49 by brucelucenta (tulsa, oklahoma)        

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Post# 913035 , Reply# 2   12/29/2016 at 16:56 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Congratulations on your new Maytags! The local dealer tells me he's sold a number of these with no customer complaints. The Agi-peller plays no small part in making it look more like a traditional top-loader. If you've run 20 loads and are happy with the results then it's doing its job. Would love to see some video if you get the chance.



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Post# 913037 , Reply# 3   12/29/2016 at 17:46 by ea56 (So. Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Thanks Eugene! I agree with you, the Agi-peller has a lot to do with how effective the cleaning and over all performance is. When I've lifted the lid mid cycle I can see that the clothes are completely saturated and that they have been moving around well as the items that were on the bottom were on the top when I checked. I think the engineering of this machine is ingenious. And using the auto sensing fill I believe that there is not much more water being used than a traditional FL would use.

I've never taken a video before, but when I feel adventurous I'll give it a try.
Eddie


Post# 913038 , Reply# 4   12/29/2016 at 17:59 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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congrats on your new set......if you let it do 'it's' thing, they actually do function and clean well.....

getting past the mental part of what a traditional machine would do is the hard part.....

preference has always been to stick with hot/warm wash temps....and that also depends on your water heater setting.....

this guy does a nice review, although I think he has too much water for the load....that bottom impellor is designed to make contact with the clothing for proper reverse roll over....






Post# 913040 , Reply# 5   12/29/2016 at 18:15 by ea56 (So. Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Yes Martin, the secret is to let the machine do just what it is designed to do. I watched this video before I made my purchase. I think that the guy who made the video was using the Bulky cycle, which does fill to the top. I personally like the Powerwash and Deep Water Wash cycles the best for just about all loads. They both use an adequate amount of water, but aren't wasteful. I also read that these cycles use a higher temp for the water, whether its on warm or hot. I can see the steam coming through the edge of the lid while its filling with hot water on the Powerwash cycle. I am really impressed with how clean and well rinsed the clothes are.
Eddie


Post# 913091 , Reply# 6   12/30/2016 at 02:21 by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Hi Eddie, congratulations for your new set. Really nice machines. Enjoy it.

I guess the "agipeller" is much better also about tangling things. I mean the agippeler don't tangle instead of the impeller which often does.


Post# 913094 , Reply# 7   12/30/2016 at 02:45 by washdaddy (Baltimore)        
CONGRATULATIONS!

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very nice looking set. Glad to hear that the agi-peller is doing it's job.

Just a side note....I noticed you have the dryer door opening towards the washer. Did you consider reversing the door so it opens in the opposite direction and not be in your way. The door on the dryer looks like it's a reversible door and should be an easy turn around.


Post# 913095 , Reply# 8   12/30/2016 at 02:51 by ea56 (So. Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Actually I reversed the door of the dryer to open this way since the bi-fold closet door prevented the dryer door from staying open while loading/unloading. It was really pretty easy to do and this way it's not in my way. But thanks for the compliment and suggestion Rick! I'm very impressed with the agipeller.
Eddie


Post# 913096 , Reply# 9   12/30/2016 at 02:53 by ea56 (So. Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Thanks for the compliment Ingemar. You're right too, I haven't noticed any tangling at all with the agipeller. I think having the post in the center helps to keep the load more evenly distributed around the tub.
Eddie


Post# 913099 , Reply# 10   12/30/2016 at 04:47 by brucelucenta (tulsa, oklahoma)        

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Ok, what gets me is that machines like this take maybe 15 minutes to move clothes around as much as an old Whirlpool belt drive washer move the clothes around in 30 seconds or less!!! I just cannot get past the very slow movement of clothing as it "washes". At least with a front load machine the clothes are continually moving and are being cleaned with no abrasion or wear due to an impeller agitator. Maybe these HE top loaders should be called "Soak away" washing machines since that seems to be what they mostly do. There just isn't a lot of movement and what movement there is, seems to big kind of rough on clothing from what I can see. I know that ANY washer with an agitator or impeller is rougher on clothing when using a small amount of water.

Post# 913134 , Reply# 11   12/30/2016 at 10:41 by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Congrats on your new Maytag's.  My best friend bought that set just recently, took the lid switch off and views the wash.  He actually said he will keep them.  Was used of using a Neptune for years.  He also knows how my A608 works and was thinking that would be about the same.  So, at first he was ready to throw them out the door, then decided to let the machine do what it's designed to do and not keep reminding himself about how the old ones worked.  I agree, and good for you and good for him.  Not for me by any stretch of the means.  I'd never have that.  My opinion.


Post# 927607 , Reply# 12   3/18/2017 at 16:06 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Would like to know how it is working

Have you had any problems? I may get this set or the Maytag MVWC565FW. It is less expensive than the SQ. I think if you get through a couple of years without the electronic board going, you will be OK. The mechanism in these machines is actually pretty simple and looks easy to repair, it is just those boards that are expensive.

I noticed the GE FL machines have a clean out door for the drain. Is that new? Another possible choice that is made in the US. LG build location does bother me as I would like to have a US made appliance.


Post# 927610 , Reply# 13   3/18/2017 at 16:49 by ea56 (So. Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Martin, I love these machines! I so wish that I bought this set instead of the LG's. The only thing that I would change is to have an extended spin option. Sometimes on heavier items I may need to run a spin only after the cycle is done, just to shorten the drying time. But all in all I'm very happy with both the washer and the dryer. I use the Powerwash and Deep Water cycles primarily,and the Bulky cycle for sheets, blankets, bedspreads, ect. The sound is different than what most of us are used to, but no more or less noisey than any other washer. Most loads are done in 50 to 55 mins. I love the simplicity of the controls and the capicity is pretty large. I've washed our cal king quilted bedspread, cal king comforter or two king pillows at once and they have all come out beautifully clean and thoroughly rinsed, and I've never found it necessary to use the extra rinse option. For whites I use the presoak option, heavy soil level and Powerwash cycle and I've never had whiter whites, except when I used to have a Maytag wringer years ago. And further more, many have commented that these machines lint excessively, tangle clothes and cause excessive wear. I have not found any of these claims to be true. In fact about 3 weeks ago one of us must have left a kleenex in a pocket that I missed. This was in a load of dark colors. I didn't notice anything amiss when I put the load in the dryer. But when the load was dry, I pulled out the lint filter before I unloaded the dryer. I saw all kinds of kleenex fragments mixed in with the lint. I thought, Oh Sh*t, I'm going to have to wash this load all over again. But I was pleasantly surprised to find that there were only a few specks of the kleenex on my black long sleeve tee shirt and on a few of David's black socks, easily picked off. So I'm impressed with how both machines handled a situation that in the past has been a big mess in other machines. I would whole heartedly recommend this set, you won't be sorry.

BTW, I used Tide pods original scent, seldom use LBC anymore, but instead Oxi Clean Pods with the whites, and I don't use fabric softener anymore, but wool dryer balls and scent oils instead in the dryer. I notice that our towels dry much better now.
Eddie


Post# 927623 , Reply# 14   3/18/2017 at 17:46 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
IF you give this some thought

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An old TL dual action washer would move clothes from top to bottom and back up in no time. This is slower to move the clothes from top to bottom, but "the clothes that are on the bottom are down at the bottom being cleaned "LONGER" and when the ones that were at the top waiting to go back down and finally did, they now get to be cleaned longer while the ones that were on top "waiting" again... So they are getting cleaned - just in a different way :)

Post# 927658 , Reply# 15   3/18/2017 at 18:59 by ea56 (So. Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Thats an excellent description of how these washers work Mark. Its different, but just as effective, if not more so than a trad TL or a new FL.
Eddie




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Post# 927678 , Reply# 16   3/18/2017 at 19:31 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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that is a good description of the washing technique.....

think too, the ones on top are in a 'soak' mode, and then as they move to the bottom, mechanical action aids the cleaning process.....

what you really have to factor in, the concentrated detergent mixture....no regular TL full tub of water washer could ever complete with that sort of stain removal...

and as time goes on, these machines are getting better and better.....

mine is a 2010, and does a great job, once I seen JoeyPete's newest version.....there were vast improvements on water use and cleaning....

only thing I would like to see on any HE FLer, not just the sprinkler, but a waterfall like on the Calypso's, where it churns up the detergent mixture into a concentrated lather flooding over top the clothing...

a few of my cycles will do this lather spread/soak in the beginning to saturate the load as it fills....it is great Catalyst cleaning especially for greasy work clothes...


Post# 927757 , Reply# 17   3/19/2017 at 12:02 by ryanm (New York)        

It looks like these models only spin at about 700 RPM? I'm wondering how the extraction is on large loads since most machines now have higher spin speeds. Maytag does not seem to list the RPM on their website.

Post# 927822 , Reply# 18   3/19/2017 at 22:01 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
RPM

Looks like the MVWC415EW 3.6 Cu Ft spins at 800 RPM.
The MVWC565FW 4.2 Cu Ft spins at 700 RPM.

I found these speeds in various places, Home Depot lists the speed of 800 RPM for the MVWC415EW, but not the MVWC565FW. Perhaps the larger capacity machine has a larger diameter drum and gets the same amount of extraction.

The salesman at Home Depot said the newest Samsung TL machines have a lower RPM than before, perhaps to prevent the problems they have had. Maybe Maytag is lowering the speeds for the same reason.


Post# 927827 , Reply# 19   3/19/2017 at 22:32 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

In other words, the well advertised benefit of shorter drying times and thus further energy savings is now null. All for the reason that the machines themselves are so cheaply made that they cannot stay in one piece if a sensor fails and the machine hits full speed with a slightly(by the standards of old) unbalanced load.

Post# 927830 , Reply# 20   3/19/2017 at 22:43 by stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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I think if the drum has a larger radius the g force is higher...all other things equal(?)
Not my forte but i seem to remember this coming up in a previous thread.


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Post# 927831 , Reply# 21   3/19/2017 at 22:57 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
Interesting,

Now we just need to compile a list of various machine's drum diameter and spin speeds.

Is that a good idea for a thread? Maybe in imperial so we could include vintage machines as well.


Post# 927908 , Reply# 22   3/20/2017 at 10:11 by johnb300m (Chicago)        
Gforce calculator

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I made a G force calculator if you know your drum diameter in inches.
It'll convert to mm, and give you a gforce rating.

Enjoy


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