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Post# 914407   1/7/2017 at 08:19 (529 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Happy New Year to everyone on AW.

Regarding the operating systems for Apple or Android which has better security in terms of virus protection and general Internet security?

Post# 914444 , Reply# 1   1/7/2017 at 13:59 (529 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Well Ben, you have just asked a seriously religious question. This could create an active thread similar to a FL vs TL kind of discussion.

While I spend very little time worrying about Internet security on all my platforms, I would generally wager that any Apple OS is likely to be less effected then a more open OS like the free Android system.

I have owned a home computer since 1981 and from the very early days I was an Apple basher. I hated the idea of how they had control over the whole environment as compared to other platforms that were more open. Back when I loved to play and tinker I felt penned in by Apple.

These days I have got to the point where I just want a device that works without my need to make it work. I think the Apple platform is better in this regard (both MacOS and iOS). I still use PC's (Win 7 & 10) at home and work though in addition to the Apple systems I have. The Apple systems are just more polished and the updates have always been completely trouble free and devoid of drama. By and large the Apple hardware is better built also. The i7 MacBook Pro I type on now also boots Win 7 and it is by far the best 'Windows' laptop I have ever owned ;)

My experience with Android devices was generally fairly negative although in fairness it was a few OS updates ago since I have really played with one. I have yet to see any Android backup/restore system that is as simple and easy as iTunes. I also find it interesting that I have about a dozen IT professionals in my close circle of friends, only 3 are Android fans. I also know one one friend at this point that has owned both Android and Apple iOS devices that currently carries an Android phone.

Ideally you should play with both and pick what suits YOU. As for security I still have to pick Apple though if that is really a concern of yours.

Post# 914448 , Reply# 2   1/7/2017 at 14:34 (529 days old) by liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Thanks for your reply kb0nes

I have to admit yes I do worry about Internet security particularly identity theft and privacy. I don't know about Google but I didn't think they were an ethical company when it came to privacy compared to Apple.

Post# 914461 , Reply# 3   1/7/2017 at 16:00 (529 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

I would go with iOS.

Post# 914531 , Reply# 4   1/7/2017 at 23:50 (528 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        
Don't get me started...

If you want decisions made for you and blocked from doing some of the things you want to do go with iOS.  If you are an adult and understand what you are doing go with android.  Apple likes, no loves, to lock things down so you do what they want you to do, not so much with android.


I've never been an Apple fan, but bought an iPad a few years back to explore and see what that group offered.  Not a bad product, pretty straight forward and usable.  But... I wanted to add an equalizer to it as I had easily done with 3 or 4 or my android products - easy to do ? NO.  There  was one that would work with Pandora, but nothing else.  One that would work with iTunes -- but nothing else.  One that would work with Spotify-- but nothing else.  All I wanted was a simple EQ that worked.  I gave up. 


Granted I am not the typical user, I hack everything.  I've moved on from Windows to Linux, I want my equipment to do what I want when I want it to.  I want it to do things it was not designed to do.  I root my android stuff, I delete all those crappy apps that are forced onto your phones and tablets that eat memory and battery.  At this point my iPad lives in the bathroom to play music - unequalized- and card games, that's it.  I have Android tablets all over the house that get used for everything.


Rant off....

Post# 914578 , Reply# 5   1/8/2017 at 09:42 (528 days old) by liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Thanks for your input to all who have commented. My mind is made up and shall be going with Android as more in my price range and am pretty technology savvy. Nearly fell off my chair when i saw the prices of Iphones absolute stupid money and i could never afford one.

Post# 914620 , Reply# 6   1/8/2017 at 12:37 (528 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Simple question, simple answer

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If you like being told what to do, apple.

If you're an adult, android.

I can't abide the Cult of Steve.



By now the illusion that apple is 'safer' has been thoroughly upended. The real danger is user failure.


Post# 914860 , Reply# 7   1/9/2017 at 23:01 (526 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Hmm my $650 iPhone 5 is just about to celebrate it's 4th birthday. Other then the 2 batteries I have put in it ($14/ea & 10 min to swap) it has been flawless for 1400 straight days. Doing the math that makes it about $.50 per day. I'm not sure I have EVER got better service out of a purchase I have made based on price/longevity/usage.

But what do I know, I've been assimilated into some cult apparently... lol

Post# 914877 , Reply# 8   1/10/2017 at 01:40 (526 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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This is coming from someone who still uses a flip phone, but does have computer experience (including running Linux as a primary OS). Both iOS and Android have points. Apple is more of a control freak. But they have as an advantage good support. I understand that a supported phone will get all security updates, and options for OS updates. Android safety patches and updates may or may not make it to a given phone model on a given network. Android has a better selection of phones at a wider range of prices, but a certain percentage aren't--oh, how do I phrase this nicely?--not very good phones. A person who goes Android because they can buy a $20 phone, but then decides to compare it to a new iPhone will find that $20 special disapointing. Unless, of course, they are pure Apple haters.


As always, it all depends on the person, and their needs...


As I said, I use a flip phone. If I were to move to a smart phone, Android would be really tempting just because of choices and lower price points. But Apple would be tempting just for support--particularly if I planned to keep said phone a long time, and wanted it to be fully supported as long as possible.

Post# 914878 , Reply# 9   1/10/2017 at 01:42 (526 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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I'm part of that longevity cult too. I'm always amazed how often people buy new phones or get a new contract with a new phone. Based on my experience with both kind of products Apple products seem to last longer and perform better in the long end. My biggest problem was with an HTC smartphone. I will never ever buy another HTC product again.

Post# 914894 , Reply# 10   1/10/2017 at 05:43 (526 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Is the IPhone 5s still a good buy despite being nearly 4 years old? I think the pricing for 5s is my budget and I like the smaller sized phone not like the brick sized I phones.

Post# 914895 , Reply# 11   1/10/2017 at 05:55 (526 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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I have the iPhone SE, similar to the 5s, but modernized.

Post# 914896 , Reply# 12   1/10/2017 at 06:12 (526 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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This is the iPhone SE:

Post# 914901 , Reply# 13   1/10/2017 at 06:41 (526 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

@ Foraloysius What's the call quality like and battery reliability?

Post# 914913 , Reply# 14   1/10/2017 at 08:28 (526 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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The call quality is really good, no complaints here.

Battery reliability is also good, but a lot depends on your settings. Liamy1 made an excellent post on that in this thread, look at Reply# 14

Since I followed those tips I have to charge my phone a lot less. Often do it only once in three days.

Post# 914961 , Reply# 15   1/10/2017 at 13:12 (526 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        
IPhone 5s still a good buy despite being nearly 4 years old?

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I'd be a little concerned about it, myself. It's probably still usable, but what is the support like for iOS updates? Even if still supported, how long will it be supported? Something current in Apple's line today--like the iPhone SE mentioned above--seems like a safer choice.

Post# 914964 , Reply# 16   1/10/2017 at 13:34 (526 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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I wouldn't consider the 5s either. The new SE is far better device overall with the current processor, double the RAM and a greatly improved camera etc.

It is highly likely that the iOS updates will be sunset from the 5s before they stop offering updates for the SE. If you are likely to keep the phone for many years this is a very valid concern. As of the iOS 10 upgrade a few months ago it almost seemed as if Apple was being less aggressive at not obsoleting older models somehow.

Wikipedia has a nice matrix that shows all the features compared among all the iPhone models if you wish to compare them.

Post# 914969 , Reply# 17   1/10/2017 at 13:49 (526 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

The SE should be on the same upgrade path as the 6S, since they both use the same chip inside. I doubt they'll pull support for the 6S for a long time. The 5 is still supported 4 years later. iOS 11 will likely be the last iOS version to support the 5S.

Post# 914983 , Reply# 18   1/10/2017 at 16:14 (526 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

The 5s is a legacy device, I wouldnt buy one now as my 6 Plus struggles with IOS10 and its a generation newer than the 5s.

The 5se is based on the 6s which is still a current device and performs well under iOS10.

If you want a small Apple Candybar, go for the 5se.

I'm trying to ignore the slow performance of my 6 Plus and hold out for the 10 year anniversary addition this year, whatever that looks like, I may just get a point where I stop any iOS updates to stop it getting any slower. Plus this way I save $50 a month on my phone bill now I'm out of contract.

I had the argument with an Apple sales guy when Michael was shopping for his new phone, that the forced iOS upgrades render older iPhones and iPads unusable. His response was yeah, but they still work, I had to respond that it depends how you define work. Yes they still turn on, but have you tried browsing a web page on a 4 yo iPad :)

Post# 914985 , Reply# 19   1/10/2017 at 16:34 (526 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
browsing a web page on a 4 yo iPad

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You must have different performance expectations then I do or something (perhaps things are different down under?).

I have a iPhone 5 and it runs iOS 10 fine, didn't really see a hit when I upgraded. Same with my iPad Mini Retina. There were lots of things I didn't like with 10, but I didn't feel like I was waiting on it.

I have an original iPad Mini that still browses web pages with no complaints (iOS 9, it can't take 10).

And the real kicker is my oldest brother has an original iPad that he was given as a doorprize. He still uses it daily! Of course it stopped at iOS 5. I just can't believe that the battery is still serviceable, I'm on the 3rd battery in my phone and his iPad predates my phone by about 2 years!

I will full well admit that I am a patient person and often a computer bottom feeder so maybe my tolerance for less the instantaneous performance is higher then others. Heck just a few weeks ago I turned on my old IBM ThinkPad 23C and I ran just fine for an amateur radio contest. Everyone of the squirrels in that Pentium III 1.333Mhz were running full speed ;)


Post# 914989 , Reply# 20   1/10/2017 at 16:48 (526 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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I went from Apple to Android a few years ago for nothing more than cost and fast charging.


Post# 915004 , Reply# 21   1/10/2017 at 19:08 (526 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        
I gradually switched

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First was the phone. 3GS, 4, 5, 6, now 7. The only reason i went from 6 to 7 was my 6 was running out of memory. Some Android users have told me you can upgrade the memory on their devices which is something you cant do on Apple. Every time i look at, try to play with or help a friend with one of their (non Apple) devices, i can never quite figure it out. It seems to me that Apple is very straight forward and logical. In terms of reliability, my Apples have been fairly reliable. My 4 and 5 had short battery lives and both of them had to be replaced within the first 48hrs because of problems with the bluetooth. The 3GS, 6 and 7 have had no problems.

I got my first IPad in 2012. It was fine no problems. As i began to travel more for work and as shows/movies became more and more available to download to watch offline, i had memory issues with it long before the phone.

As for my computers, there was a time i would wrinkle my nose at a Mac and could not understand them. Now i have 2 Macs, i would never even consider any type of windows or PC product.

My only other big suggestion aside from the ones mentioned by others is if you consider an Apple, consider what you will use it for and its memory capacity.

Post# 915027 , Reply# 22   1/10/2017 at 21:44 (526 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hey Phil,

It could be a patience thing. Our Ipad is the 64GB First Retina model Ipad that maxes out at IOS9. In either Chrome or Safari as soon as you have a picture or any active objects on a web page, the scrolling becomes jerky and stops and starts. Its been like that for for the last 18 months now.

My Iphone 6 Plus running 10.2, has a lag time of 3-7 seconds when opening an app from scratch. I assume its because its hamstrung with only 1GB of memory and its Paging goes crazy when I open a new app. It doesnt make any different, what apps are open or if only 1 app is.

Michael has a 6S Plus and apps open on it within 2-3 seconds, It has 2GB ram though. I tend to replace my devices every two years, and I've always found that the OS available at the 18 month mark usually has caused some sort of performance degredation on the Ios Device. the Iphone 4s was probably the one that went the longest without slowing down. Ever since then the performance is gone by the second major IOS update.

Post# 915069 , Reply# 23   1/11/2017 at 07:12 (525 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

The only downside to Apple is you can't upgrade storage space as there is no sd card. In terms of a company do you think Apple is more ethical when it comes to privacy and security than Google?

Post# 915113 , Reply# 24   1/11/2017 at 11:35 (525 days old) by Kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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The lack of upgradable storage does bother me a bit. But on the other hand I have seen friends Android devices not work very seamlessly with an added SD card.

As for the company ethics, I'd like to think Apple is better. After all the majority of their revenue doesn't come from advertising. But still I have no qualms with Google use either. I have been on the Internet since 1992 and while I practice safe computing I don't like in fear. I actually like Gmail targeting ads based on email content. I'd rather look at related ads vs ads for stuff is never buy...

Post# 915115 , Reply# 25   1/11/2017 at 11:42 (525 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

After have a windows phone and laptop I can say I'd never go back to Windows because the Windows 10 was dreadful. So it's either Apple or Android at the end of the day.

Post# 915131 , Reply# 26   1/11/2017 at 13:21 (525 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Typing on a Win 10 computer here at work now. Not sure it fits my definition of 'dreadful' but I do wish it did somethings differently. It does a number of things VERY VERY well though.

The biggest issue with Windows is that each update comes with a massive learning curve. It is like getting a new pair of shoes, that old pair was sure comfy, the new pair will take some time.

While Microsoft has had some serious clunkers (ME, Vista, Win 8 to name a few), in general the best Windows operating system is the latest one. Things sure are better since the XP days. It does make sense to be prudent and not always update a given computer, new OS's often need newer hardware to work well.

As for a Windows phone... I'll pass, it was merely an attempt by Microsoft to get into the mobile market, and not a very good attempt.

Post# 915134 , Reply# 27   1/11/2017 at 13:32 (525 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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I have Windows10 and it gets updated regularly. The updates don't disturb much though, I'm not using Microsoft products to navigate and mail. I use an Avast SafeZone browser and Thunderbird for mail.

A friend has a Windows phone. All I can say is Good Grief!!!

Post# 917305 , Reply# 28   1/24/2017 at 09:36 (512 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (Chelmsford, United Kingdom)        

Do you buy your devices upfront or get them on a contract? I could never afford 359 upfront for an iPhone as don't earn a lot.

Post# 917312 , Reply# 29   1/24/2017 at 10:11 (512 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
I keep saying it and it keeps being true:

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The real security risk is user failure to observe common sense precautionary measures. None of the three most common systems in use can protect one against that.


Personally, I dislike the Borg mentality of too many apple users.


I was never a Windoof fan, went from Unix to OS/2 to Linux and never had any of the problems my fellow students, then fellow authors/translators then instructors had with Windoof and apple. Yes, virii were written for the largest market, Windows. But the kernel panics and the lost documents which my fellow translators suffered from under apple - yikes! And this at a time when Sony was doing design just as awe inspiring.


As to phones and pads, same thing. With apple, you're paying for the prestige not the technology. Even Cortina is way smarter than Siri. But, heh - I'll close with my opening. It doesn't really matter which OS you choose, the biggest security risk is your own behaviour.

Post# 917714 , Reply# 30   1/26/2017 at 18:07 (510 days old) by jp10558 (Southern Tier, NY, USA)        

There's no good choice IMHO for smartphones. Android lets you do a lot more and can be cheaper, but you pay in lack of patching, and google spying on everything unless you re-flash the OS and don't run most apps as you can't then use the Play Store (well you can, but now you may have voided the warranty and didn't get away from the spying).

iOS is currently a little more privacy conscious, but I believe as soon as the longer news cycle shifts, Apple is as likely to spy as not - I have no confidence they are actually as a company committed to user privacy or security. iOS is a total walled garden. You can't install software Apple doesn't want you to have.

Honestly, I think if I pay $800 for a mobile phone, I damn well ought to be root, I ought to own it once I pay it off, and I should decide what it does or doesn't do within the confines of the law. Sadly, all the tech companies think they know better than I do.

Same issues on the desktop. I switched to Linux also - I'm a big boy and can make my own choices, thank you very much. I'm hopeful I can get by with the Pyra when it comes out, but it'll be far less plug and play than iOS or Android. I haven't decided if I'm going to use my phone as a glorified hotspot, keep the phone for texting and talking, or find I can't give up the smartphone for a clamshell device that's a "real" computer.

Post# 917866 , Reply# 31   1/27/2017 at 17:53 (509 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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I'm not sure I'd say there are no good smartphone choices, I honestly couldn't be happier with my 5S. Picked it up as an 'open box' (though never actually removed) a couple years ago at Best Buy for less than a C-note and it has performed almost flawlessly since day 1. I say "almost flawlessly" because I have run up against its meager memory occasionally (16GB) if shooting video, and about once a year it requires a restart. Other than that, it's taken the beating I've thrown at it (both HW & SW). In fact, I'm still on the original battery which I can get 2-3 days out of under normal use.

People make a big fuss about the 'walled garden' approach to limited apps, but I've never found that to be an issue. I can think of nothing mainstream that's not available on both Apple and Android, and lots of rather eccentric stuff, too.

I'd never pay $600 for a phone, but this one comes damn close to that value.

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