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Post# 914444 , Reply# 1   1/7/2017 at 13:59 (2,637 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Well Ben, you have just asked a seriously religious question. This could create an active thread similar to a FL vs TL kind of discussion.
While I spend very little time worrying about Internet security on all my platforms, I would generally wager that any Apple OS is likely to be less effected then a more open OS like the free Android system. I have owned a home computer since 1981 and from the very early days I was an Apple basher. I hated the idea of how they had control over the whole environment as compared to other platforms that were more open. Back when I loved to play and tinker I felt penned in by Apple. These days I have got to the point where I just want a device that works without my need to make it work. I think the Apple platform is better in this regard (both MacOS and iOS). I still use PC's (Win 7 & 10) at home and work though in addition to the Apple systems I have. The Apple systems are just more polished and the updates have always been completely trouble free and devoid of drama. By and large the Apple hardware is better built also. The i7 MacBook Pro I type on now also boots Win 7 and it is by far the best 'Windows' laptop I have ever owned ;) My experience with Android devices was generally fairly negative although in fairness it was a few OS updates ago since I have really played with one. I have yet to see any Android backup/restore system that is as simple and easy as iTunes. I also find it interesting that I have about a dozen IT professionals in my close circle of friends, only 3 are Android fans. I also know one one friend at this point that has owned both Android and Apple iOS devices that currently carries an Android phone. Ideally you should play with both and pick what suits YOU. As for security I still have to pick Apple though if that is really a concern of yours. |
Post# 914461 , Reply# 3   1/7/2017 at 16:00 (2,637 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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I would go with iOS. |
Post# 914620 , Reply# 6   1/8/2017 at 12:37 (2,636 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 914860 , Reply# 7   1/9/2017 at 23:01 (2,635 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Hmm my $650 iPhone 5 is just about to celebrate it's 4th birthday. Other then the 2 batteries I have put in it ($14/ea & 10 min to swap) it has been flawless for 1400 straight days. Doing the math that makes it about $.50 per day. I'm not sure I have EVER got better service out of a purchase I have made based on price/longevity/usage.
But what do I know, I've been assimilated into some cult apparently... lol |
Post# 914877 , Reply# 8   1/10/2017 at 01:40 (2,635 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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This is coming from someone who still uses a flip phone, but does have computer experience (including running Linux as a primary OS). Both iOS and Android have points. Apple is more of a control freak. But they have as an advantage good support. I understand that a supported phone will get all security updates, and options for OS updates. Android safety patches and updates may or may not make it to a given phone model on a given network. Android has a better selection of phones at a wider range of prices, but a certain percentage aren't--oh, how do I phrase this nicely?--not very good phones. A person who goes Android because they can buy a $20 phone, but then decides to compare it to a new iPhone will find that $20 special disapointing. Unless, of course, they are pure Apple haters.
As always, it all depends on the person, and their needs...
As I said, I use a flip phone. If I were to move to a smart phone, Android would be really tempting just because of choices and lower price points. But Apple would be tempting just for support--particularly if I planned to keep said phone a long time, and wanted it to be fully supported as long as possible. |
Post# 914878 , Reply# 9   1/10/2017 at 01:42 (2,635 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I'm part of that longevity cult too. I'm always amazed how often people buy new phones or get a new contract with a new phone. Based on my experience with both kind of products Apple products seem to last longer and perform better in the long end. My biggest problem was with an HTC smartphone. I will never ever buy another HTC product again.
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Post# 914894 , Reply# 10   1/10/2017 at 05:43 (2,635 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (UK)   |   | |
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Is the IPhone 5s still a good buy despite being nearly 4 years old? I think the pricing for 5s is my budget and I like the smaller sized phone not like the brick sized I phones. |
Post# 914895 , Reply# 11   1/10/2017 at 05:55 (2,635 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 914896 , Reply# 12   1/10/2017 at 06:12 (2,635 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 914901 , Reply# 13   1/10/2017 at 06:41 (2,635 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (UK)   |   | |
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@ Foraloysius What's the call quality like and battery reliability? |
Post# 914913 , Reply# 14   1/10/2017 at 08:28 (2,635 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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The call quality is really good, no complaints here.
Battery reliability is also good, but a lot depends on your settings. Liamy1 made an excellent post on that in this thread, look at Reply# 14 www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... Since I followed those tips I have to charge my phone a lot less. Often do it only once in three days. |
Post# 914961 , Reply# 15   1/10/2017 at 13:12 (2,634 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Post# 914964 , Reply# 16   1/10/2017 at 13:34 (2,634 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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I wouldn't consider the 5s either. The new SE is far better device overall with the current processor, double the RAM and a greatly improved camera etc.
It is highly likely that the iOS updates will be sunset from the 5s before they stop offering updates for the SE. If you are likely to keep the phone for many years this is a very valid concern. As of the iOS 10 upgrade a few months ago it almost seemed as if Apple was being less aggressive at not obsoleting older models somehow. Wikipedia has a nice matrix that shows all the features compared among all the iPhone models if you wish to compare them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iO... |
Post# 914969 , Reply# 17   1/10/2017 at 13:49 (2,634 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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The SE should be on the same upgrade path as the 6S, since they both use the same chip inside. I doubt they'll pull support for the 6S for a long time. The 5 is still supported 4 years later. iOS 11 will likely be the last iOS version to support the 5S. |
Post# 914985 , Reply# 19   1/10/2017 at 16:34 (2,634 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Nathan,
You must have different performance expectations then I do or something (perhaps things are different down under?). I have a iPhone 5 and it runs iOS 10 fine, didn't really see a hit when I upgraded. Same with my iPad Mini Retina. There were lots of things I didn't like with 10, but I didn't feel like I was waiting on it. I have an original iPad Mini that still browses web pages with no complaints (iOS 9, it can't take 10). And the real kicker is my oldest brother has an original iPad that he was given as a doorprize. He still uses it daily! Of course it stopped at iOS 5. I just can't believe that the battery is still serviceable, I'm on the 3rd battery in my phone and his iPad predates my phone by about 2 years! I will full well admit that I am a patient person and often a computer bottom feeder so maybe my tolerance for less the instantaneous performance is higher then others. Heck just a few weeks ago I turned on my old IBM ThinkPad 23C and I ran just fine for an amateur radio contest. Everyone of the squirrels in that Pentium III 1.333Mhz were running full speed ;) Phil |
Post# 914989 , Reply# 20   1/10/2017 at 16:48 (2,634 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 915004 , Reply# 21   1/10/2017 at 19:08 (2,634 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)   |   | |
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First was the phone. 3GS, 4, 5, 6, now 7. The only reason i went from 6 to 7 was my 6 was running out of memory. Some Android users have told me you can upgrade the memory on their devices which is something you cant do on Apple. Every time i look at, try to play with or help a friend with one of their (non Apple) devices, i can never quite figure it out. It seems to me that Apple is very straight forward and logical. In terms of reliability, my Apples have been fairly reliable. My 4 and 5 had short battery lives and both of them had to be replaced within the first 48hrs because of problems with the bluetooth. The 3GS, 6 and 7 have had no problems.
I got my first IPad in 2012. It was fine no problems. As i began to travel more for work and as shows/movies became more and more available to download to watch offline, i had memory issues with it long before the phone. As for my computers, there was a time i would wrinkle my nose at a Mac and could not understand them. Now i have 2 Macs, i would never even consider any type of windows or PC product. My only other big suggestion aside from the ones mentioned by others is if you consider an Apple, consider what you will use it for and its memory capacity. |
Post# 915069 , Reply# 23   1/11/2017 at 07:12 (2,634 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (UK)   |   | |
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The only downside to Apple is you can't upgrade storage space as there is no sd card. In terms of a company do you think Apple is more ethical when it comes to privacy and security than Google? |
Post# 915113 , Reply# 24   1/11/2017 at 11:35 (2,633 days old) by Kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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The lack of upgradable storage does bother me a bit. But on the other hand I have seen friends Android devices not work very seamlessly with an added SD card.
As for the company ethics, I'd like to think Apple is better. After all the majority of their revenue doesn't come from advertising. But still I have no qualms with Google use either. I have been on the Internet since 1992 and while I practice safe computing I don't like in fear. I actually like Gmail targeting ads based on email content. I'd rather look at related ads vs ads for stuff is never buy... |
Post# 915115 , Reply# 25   1/11/2017 at 11:42 (2,633 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (UK)   |   | |
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After have a windows phone and laptop I can say I'd never go back to Windows because the Windows 10 was dreadful. So it's either Apple or Android at the end of the day. |
Post# 915131 , Reply# 26   1/11/2017 at 13:21 (2,633 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Typing on a Win 10 computer here at work now. Not sure it fits my definition of 'dreadful' but I do wish it did somethings differently. It does a number of things VERY VERY well though.
The biggest issue with Windows is that each update comes with a massive learning curve. It is like getting a new pair of shoes, that old pair was sure comfy, the new pair will take some time. While Microsoft has had some serious clunkers (ME, Vista, Win 8 to name a few), in general the best Windows operating system is the latest one. Things sure are better since the XP days. It does make sense to be prudent and not always update a given computer, new OS's often need newer hardware to work well. As for a Windows phone... I'll pass, it was merely an attempt by Microsoft to get into the mobile market, and not a very good attempt. |
Post# 915134 , Reply# 27   1/11/2017 at 13:32 (2,633 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 917305 , Reply# 28   1/24/2017 at 09:36 (2,620 days old) by Liberatordeluxe (UK)   |   | |
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Do you buy your devices upfront or get them on a contract? I could never afford £359 upfront for an iPhone as don't earn a lot. |
Post# 917312 , Reply# 29   1/24/2017 at 10:11 (2,620 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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The real security risk is user failure to observe common sense precautionary measures. None of the three most common systems in use can protect one against that.
Personally, I dislike the Borg mentality of too many apple users.
I was never a Windoof fan, went from Unix to OS/2 to Linux and never had any of the problems my fellow students, then fellow authors/translators then instructors had with Windoof and apple. Yes, virii were written for the largest market, Windows. But the kernel panics and the lost documents which my fellow translators suffered from under apple - yikes! And this at a time when Sony was doing design just as awe inspiring.
As to phones and pads, same thing. With apple, you're paying for the prestige not the technology. Even Cortina is way smarter than Siri. But, heh - I'll close with my opening. It doesn't really matter which OS you choose, the biggest security risk is your own behaviour. |
Post# 917866 , Reply# 31   1/27/2017 at 17:53 (2,617 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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I'm not sure I'd say there are no good smartphone choices, I honestly couldn't be happier with my 5S. Picked it up as an 'open box' (though never actually removed) a couple years ago at Best Buy for less than a C-note and it has performed almost flawlessly since day 1. I say "almost flawlessly" because I have run up against its meager memory occasionally (16GB) if shooting video, and about once a year it requires a restart. Other than that, it's taken the beating I've thrown at it (both HW & SW). In fact, I'm still on the original battery which I can get 2-3 days out of under normal use.
People make a big fuss about the 'walled garden' approach to limited apps, but I've never found that to be an issue. I can think of nothing mainstream that's not available on both Apple and Android, and lots of rather eccentric stuff, too. I'd never pay $600 for a phone, but this one comes damn close to that value. |