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Post# 136627   6/19/2006 at 09:02 (6,513 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        

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Here is another nice one!

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Post# 136631 , Reply# 1   6/19/2006 at 09:19 (6,513 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)        

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This is the last "good" KitchenAid Superba--made from 1995-1997. It is a model KUDS230B. I felt that they had finally perfected the pushbutton control with this model. When the door is unlatched, only the START button pops out--the cycle and options remain selected. So when, say, someone else opens the machine to add one more thing, they won't restart the machine with the Normal button when you started the machine on Soak & Scrub.

You can see that by this late-23 series, the upper rack has Whirlpool-style tracks (which I don't think is either a good or bad thing).

T.


Post# 136646 , Reply# 2   6/19/2006 at 10:19 (6,513 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
KitchenAid!

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I know someone that had this exact same Dishwasher. It was the last of the good ones. It was also quiter than the previous Hobart models. I hope someone picks this one up.
Peter


Post# 136695 , Reply# 3   6/19/2006 at 12:29 (6,513 days old) by brent-aucoin ()        

I have this exact machine in my garage.
It is the last of the rapid advance timers. Talk about rapid!! Super fast!!
This is a very cool dishwasher.
My big beef about this machine is that it only has only one rinse, and no option for an extra rinse. The "kitchenaids" from this one on only had the one rinse. Don't feel good about that.
Brent


Post# 136701 , Reply# 4   6/19/2006 at 13:15 (6,513 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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I too have this exact machine in my garage, although it has the black control panel. You are right about it only having one rinse. I thought that was odd. It also takes too long to get started washing as it sits there to heat the water first. I will be putting it up for sale soon.

I found another KA model that I like much better. It's even Hobart made. I will post more pictures of it soon. Ever hear of a KDIS21 ???

Patrick


Post# 136704 , Reply# 5   6/19/2006 at 13:40 (6,513 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)        
to pretty

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have never seen one of those how cool is that...

Post# 136706 , Reply# 6   6/19/2006 at 14:03 (6,513 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
I love that machine

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I have never seen one either. And, I thought I'd seen them all when it came to Kitchen Aid.

Post# 136739 , Reply# 7   6/19/2006 at 18:44 (6,512 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Never saw one in person, only merchandising material and downloaded the user manual. Very nice machine. And the Superba is nice too.

Post# 136740 , Reply# 8   6/19/2006 at 18:46 (6,512 days old) by mcmodern ()        
More of 'em?

The two pictured must be among the very last real ones. I'd posted a photo of mine on another thread, same as the wood-paneled model another member sent. Early 90's, maybe? www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREAD...

It doesn't have a separate start button, but the selected cycle doesn't pop out FULLY when the door is opened, making it easier to resume operation. I might assume the touch control model shown has an electronic timer, so the cycles start immediately and you don't hear the mechanism advance in different patterns for different cycles.

BTW: In regard to noise, I heard a very good explanation of why Euro dishwashers are so much quieter: The pump and motor aren't bolted onto the tub, usually separate fill and drain pumps are suspended beneath. It's the motor, not the noise inside that we really hear and why extra insulation only quites 'em so much. Ever hear a TOL Asko, Miele or Bosch running? You almost can't!

Great finds!
Kelly


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Post# 136743 , Reply# 9   6/19/2006 at 19:12 (6,512 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Hmmm. Kelly, yours looks to be a KUDS22, same as mine (except I have the almond panel turned out). The buttons on mine do pop out all the way. If yours don't, perhaps something is wrong with it?

Post# 136748 , Reply# 10   6/19/2006 at 19:20 (6,512 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Glenn, of course a trip to Dallas to inspect said- control panel issue could be worthwhile ;-)

Post# 136760 , Reply# 11   6/19/2006 at 20:18 (6,512 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)        

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Kelly's machine is a KUDS22.
The Superba linked to in chachp's other post (conveniently relinked below) is an early KUDS23. It's only outward difference from the KUDS22 are in the indicator lights (Heating Water, Wash/Rinse, Dry, Cycle Complete, and Please Wait). The white-on-white Superba linked at the top of this thread is a late KUDS23. All 23 series had a Whirlpool-derived pump, the early models had a 22-style control panel, and the later series had the redesigned panel similar to the 22-series Architect model. The early 23 series was made from 1993-1995 and are designated by a "Y" in the 7th digit of the model number. Late 23 series were made from 1995-1997 and have a "B" in the 7th digit of the model number. All late 23 models are monochromatic white, almond, or black. It seems to me that the changes between early 23 and late 23 were significant enough to warrant a new series number, but what do I know?

Incidentally, I'm working on a KitchenAid spotters guide with control panel pictures and brief descriptions that I hope to have done before summer is over, covering the 15 through 23 series. By the 22 and especially 23 series, KitchenAid was out of control with different model numbers, some models with only the subtlest differences. The late 23 series has something like 9 different models. Craziness.


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Post# 136766 , Reply# 12   6/19/2006 at 21:01 (6,512 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Anyway-

that one with the LED display is one of the few KitchenAid dishwashers I have ever really wanted.



Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 136767 , Reply# 13   6/19/2006 at 21:03 (6,512 days old) by brent-aucoin ()        

Patrick,
You have a very cool dishwasher there. And very rare.
These computer controlled machines are so rare because KitchenAid bought them all back. They never worked correct.
Do you have a picture of the selections closer up? I would love to see what it says.
Also, any pictures of the inside?
Thanks for posting this picture. Never seen one before actually.
Brent


Post# 136774 , Reply# 14   6/19/2006 at 21:45 (6,512 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

HANG ONTO THAT ONE DUDE!!! What a nice machine! Very classy looking! I like the look of some of the first computer controlled machines. The vacuum fluorescent displays really set them off nicely

Post# 136809 , Reply# 15   6/20/2006 at 00:00 (6,512 days old) by scott55405 ()        

I had a 23, former roommate still has it as a matter of fact; wonderful machine. I bought it in 1996. The store already had some of the first "radically changed" one with the bulged out control panel and stainless tub, but I opted for the 23. Very quiet and cleaned well. Still has the hidden element and forced air drying.

The one with the LED display in the picture was called "Selectra", if memory serves. It was in stores about the same time as the short-lived "Patrician". That to my memory was the first time they'd derived from the traditional "Custom, Imperial and Superba" monikers.


Post# 136830 , Reply# 16   6/20/2006 at 05:56 (6,512 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
I had this one in Chicago..

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..I wish I had a better picture of this machine but I don't. I was told by the sales person that this model was also short lived because they had trouble with the computer controls and the board alone was about $450 to replace. I bought this in 1998. It is in the condo I sold and to the best of my knowledge still has not had a repair. This was a great machine. It is very quiet and cleaned everything I put in.

Post# 136937 , Reply# 17   6/20/2006 at 18:47 (6,511 days old) by mcmodern ()        
KUDS22, huh?

I found a copy of the owner's manual, for models KUDS22OT and KUDS22HT, dated 1989. No explanation about the different model names, mine is an 'OT1'. BTW, KitchenAid's website has PDFs of manuals for the KUDS line and who knows how far back.

You'll like the story of how I acquired my KitchenAid - when I started shopping for a new dishwasher, a friend had rescued this one (as is, including the black panel) from the curbside. Probably tossed out during a kitchen remodel. No repair or refurbishing needed. I'm trying to get the benefactor to participate in the website, he's interested in old appliances, old cars, old kitch, retro in general, and has rescued and repaired several dishwashers and clothes dryers.


Post# 136965 , Reply# 18   6/20/2006 at 23:51 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
More KDIS21

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Wow, I am really excited now if that's true that I have a dishwasher that was pulled off the market. It has been well used and needs lot's of clean up so I apologize for the pictures in the before condition. It will look much better once I detail clean it. It appears to work just fine so this unit must not have had any problems. Patrick

Post# 136966 , Reply# 19   6/20/2006 at 23:54 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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pots and pans cycle.
76 minutes with heated dry.
it counts down the time as it's running.


Post# 136967 , Reply# 20   6/20/2006 at 23:56 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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66 minutes for a normal wash with heated dry.

Post# 136968 , Reply# 21   6/20/2006 at 23:59 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
KIDS21 next to KUDS230B0

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I am going to sell the KUDS23 now.

Post# 136969 , Reply# 22   6/21/2006 at 00:02 (6,511 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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It's tagged "Imperial Selectra 21." There probably was a "Superba Selectra 21" as well (I do remember seeing that - Superba Selectra). Two (or more) electronic control models in the line, before electronics became the norm. Interesting.

Post# 136970 , Reply# 23   6/21/2006 at 00:02 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
Hobart made vs. Whirlpool made

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Can you tell the differences?
The Hobart is on the left.

Again I apologize for the filth showing.
They'll look much better when cleaned up.


Post# 136972 , Reply# 24   6/21/2006 at 00:04 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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KA on the left. WP on the right.

Notice the soap cups color and re-positioning.


Post# 136973 , Reply# 25   6/21/2006 at 00:11 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
KDIS21 tub

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The heating element is above the sump and unfortunately the fine nylon mesh screen is pretty much gone but hopefully it won't affect performance. Any suggestions?

Post# 136974 , Reply# 26   6/21/2006 at 00:14 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
KUDS230B0 tub

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The KUDS23 has the heating element in the sump and also has the Whirlpool redesigned pump and filter.

Post# 136975 , Reply# 27   6/21/2006 at 00:16 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
KDIS upper racks

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They have the adjustable tines, but not the raising and lowering upper rack controls.

Post# 136979 , Reply# 28   6/21/2006 at 00:19 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
KUDS23 upper rack

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It does have the up and down adjustable system. Good for tall items and long stemmed glassware. It also has the Whirlpool designed tracks.

Post# 136981 , Reply# 29   6/21/2006 at 00:20 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
KUDS23

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And for those of you that like buttons !

Post# 136982 , Reply# 30   6/21/2006 at 00:21 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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And lights....

Post# 136984 , Reply# 31   6/21/2006 at 00:29 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
You know it's funny...

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I started out only wanting to find and buy an early Frigidaire washer and dryer set. Now I'm buying multiple dishwashers (have a WP and a reverse rack Maytag too), and have many sets of W&D's as well as a Kirby Tradition, a couple of Electrolux vacuums and other miscellaneous stuff too numerous to mention. My friends think I'm crazy and my significant other did too at first, but now even he has become interested and supportive. Thanks to everyone here at Automatic Washer.org for all you do and mean to me !!!

Patrick


Post# 136999 , Reply# 32   6/21/2006 at 06:14 (6,511 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
I like your machines Patrick........

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Thanks for posting all those wonderful pictures. Wish I was closer...would love to bid on one of them.


Gary


Post# 137028 , Reply# 33   6/21/2006 at 09:21 (6,511 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)        

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Patrick, that micro mesh on your Imperial Selectra is vital. The space below it is the soil collection chamber--during washing and rinsing, water is pumped up through it by the drain impeller. If the micro filter is compromised in any way, anything that can pass through the turquoise drain strainer can float right out of the pump top and then be pulled in by the wash impeller and sent on to collect in the wash arms. It is also because of that microfilter that KitchenAid could get by with 1 rinse. I haven't come across any satisfactory material to replace this mesh with--best to get a new pump top. The new part (used on all 22 series) has a finer, sturdier mesh than the original. Whereas every 21 model I've seen has a torn or missing microfilter, every 22 series I've seen has a completely intact microfilter.

T.


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Post# 137064 , Reply# 34   6/21/2006 at 12:00 (6,511 days old) by brent-aucoin ()        

Patrick,
Thanks so much for the pictures of your dishwasher.
I know how you feel about dishwashers. I have too many. Actually starting to break them down for parts and such.
The reverse rack Maytag is a wonderful machine. I find it the most powerful wash system that was around back then. It will clean anything!!!
I have the KUDS 23 also. This is a very good machine. I really like the WP pumps that were in these machines. The rapid advance timer in this bugger really kick's booty. I am so shocked at how fast it is. One of the interesting things is that your face plate is black, and mine is all white. Interesting.
I have a Maytag reverse rack in my house, and also a Kitchenaid KDS-18. I love hearing them both run at the same time!!!
I ain't right.
Brent


Post# 137069 , Reply# 35   6/21/2006 at 12:16 (6,511 days old) by agiflow ()        

Did WP produce that Kuds21 and still use Hobart parts?..or was this early model still being made by Hobart?

Post# 137080 , Reply# 36   6/21/2006 at 13:05 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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Tom,

Thanks for the info on the mesh screen. I figured it was necessary but didn't know how so. I will measure and see if the newer design will fit the top of this pump and if so will give repair clinic some more of my money and order it. So far I've had good luck with them. Patrick


Post# 137081 , Reply# 37   6/21/2006 at 13:13 (6,511 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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Brent,

I currently have the Maytag WU404 installed in my kitchen. I love the sound of that machine running and the clicking of it's timer. It is a very good performer and it's porcelain shines as though it's brand new. I certainly won't be parting with it. I'll just have to keep rotating them.

agiflow,

The KDIS21 was made by Hobart before they sold out to Whirlpool. The KUDS23 was made by Whirlpool still using some of Hobarts original design.


Post# 137115 , Reply# 38   6/21/2006 at 15:17 (6,511 days old) by agiflow ()        

Thanks. Do you know the year of that electronic model? In any case..both are beautiful.

Post# 137130 , Reply# 39   6/21/2006 at 16:12 (6,510 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
Year of manufacture?

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I don't know the year this was made.
Does anyone know how to decode this?
If I post the serial number would that help?

Bob (appnut),
How long ago was it that you downloaded a user manual for this
and where from? I would love to get one myself. Do you still
have one you could email to me or tell me where to get it.

thanks, Patrick


Post# 137187 , Reply# 40   6/21/2006 at 21:43 (6,510 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Patrick it's online, downloadable PDF format at Kitchenaid's web site. Go to customer service and then look for trouble shooting toward the bottom of the page. There you can access use & care manuals. The model is the KUDI21SS1 or KUDI21SS2



Post# 137276 , Reply# 41   6/22/2006 at 10:33 (6,510 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Patrick, BEAUTIFUL KitchenAid, very classy looking. I didn't know they made electronic-control models that early!

Post# 137287 , Reply# 42   6/22/2006 at 11:20 (6,510 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)        

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Patrick's KDIS21 came out in late 1985. After Whirlpool acquired KA in 1986, they continued this as model KUDI21S through 1987.

Patrick--you might look on the water valve, motor relay, or blower motor for a date code.

T.


Post# 137317 , Reply# 43   6/22/2006 at 15:40 (6,509 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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Bob,

Thanks for the info on the user guide. Great info to have. I appreciate it.

Austin,

Thanks for the compliment. It is beautiful. I was looking for one with no dial and a chrome surround and this is what I found. I feel very lucky.

Tom,

Thanks for your wealth of knowledge on the KA's in general. I will look for a date code when I'm cleaning everything up. I went ahead and ordered the micro filter from Repair Clinic and it should be on it's way. Looking forward to getting this baby installed and running.



Post# 137331 , Reply# 44   6/22/2006 at 17:42 (6,509 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
Superba Loading

I got this dishwasher a couple of years ago in Newport RI...one that I got on Ebay...the machine was used by a couple that used the house as a summer home and rarely used the machine. They were tearing down the house they were using and building a bigger one and they were going to throw this out. It was the best 50 bucks I ever spent for a dishwasher.

Post# 137332 , Reply# 45   6/22/2006 at 17:43 (6,509 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
Lower rack

Not quite a "Bob Load" but almost

Post# 137333 , Reply# 46   6/22/2006 at 17:45 (6,509 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
both racks in

here is the load ready to be washed

Post# 137334 , Reply# 47   6/22/2006 at 17:46 (6,509 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
Controls

here are the controls

Post# 137335 , Reply# 48   6/22/2006 at 17:48 (6,509 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
cycle lights

water heat and wash rinse lights on

Post# 137336 , Reply# 49   6/22/2006 at 17:55 (6,509 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
detergent

One thing I do notice is that this dishwasher is a detergent pig. Compared to the Maytag it replaced I seem to go thru Cascade Complete faster than I did with the other.I fill both cups and the indent for the Pots?pans cycle.
I replaced the silverware basket with an older style one since it didnt have the slot for the knives and such. Plus its a bit smaller and it doesnt let anything hang thru it.
I do love this dishwasher and it doesnt take long at all for a load to get done. I do think that sometimes the Pots/Pans cycle could be a bit longer for really grimy stuff.
Yet everything comes out nice and the glasses spotless.


Post# 137343 , Reply# 50   6/22/2006 at 18:34 (6,509 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Mike, you've shared some DW pics with me over the years. You & I are cut from similar cloth. Yes sir, it is a "Bob load". :-D

Post# 137360 , Reply# 51   6/22/2006 at 19:45 (6,509 days old) by agiflow ()        

With WP cleanability and KA style....just a shame that this was an expensive DW to produce.

Post# 137406 , Reply# 52   6/22/2006 at 22:40 (6,509 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)        
Since we're sharing loading pics

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Here's our new-to-us KDS-17 after a successful shakedown run.

Post# 137407 , Reply# 53   6/22/2006 at 22:41 (6,509 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)        

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and the top...

Post# 137411 , Reply# 54   6/22/2006 at 22:58 (6,509 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

You guys with all these wonderful pictures are making me so homesick for my old KitchenAid. I want one, I want one......

Post# 137417 , Reply# 55   6/22/2006 at 23:25 (6,509 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Me 2 Andrew. Will have to $$$ Austin or Glenn to "fix" whatever is wrong with it.

Post# 137526 , Reply# 56   6/23/2006 at 14:11 (6,509 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

Since there is no cure for this "disorder", aren't we lucky we have this fabulous support group here?????


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