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Thread Number: 68740
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Fiat/Chrysler in trouble now |
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Post# 915326 1/12/2017 at 12:55 (2,657 days old) by kb0nes  (Burnsville, MN) |
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Looks like perhaps it wasn't just VW.
Fiat/Chrysler now stands accused of emission altering software too. www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2... | ||
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Post# 915342 , Reply# 2 1/12/2017 at 14:57 (2,657 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 915357 , Reply# 3 1/12/2017 at 15:30 (2,657 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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Unintentional
Perhaps the text editor spellcheck inadvertently added those lines of code.
Yea that's it... It is a damned shame that by the wonderful virtue of a very lean charge, you get high levels of nitrogen oxides. Also a shame that they are hard for a catalyst to clean up. Wonder how many other makers of modern diesel engines are sweating bullets now? | ||
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Post# 915370 , Reply# 4 1/12/2017 at 16:41 (2,657 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Well, even if they are guilty, it's a lot less exposure than VW, since I don't think Chrysler currently has a diesel passenger cars, other than the Fiat stuff. Maybe. And the press release I saw said it was just the trucks under investigation.
Still, it will be interesting to see if and how if and why FCAU managed to game the emissions regs. | ||
| Post# 915371 , Reply# 5 1/12/2017 at 16:55 (2,657 days old) by Travis () | ||
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Is it time to start getting the government out of some of the auto regulations? The easiest way to reduce emissions is to live close to your work, carpool, etc. | ||
| Post# 915373 , Reply# 6 1/12/2017 at 17:07 (2,657 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
diesels | ||
| Post# 915406 , Reply# 8 1/12/2017 at 19:44 (2,657 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
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actually... | ||
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Post# 915444 , Reply# 9 1/13/2017 at 02:39 (2,656 days old) by Sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 915469 , Reply# 11 1/13/2017 at 08:18 (2,656 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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 VM Motori used to be jointly owned with GM until 2013 when FCA bought them out. The big Ram still can be had with a Cummins 6.7L straight six engine. The VM Motori V6 is the EcoDiesel. Nissan now has a Cummins 5.0 V8 diesel option for their Titan pickup. I'm a diesel geek. They fascinate me. I've had three (tore down and rebuilt one) and would buy another one when my current one dies. I sometimes think all the negative diesel hoopla is just a ploy to keep selling gasoline because diesels are so much more efficient and use less fuel. | ||
| Post# 915473 , Reply# 13 1/13/2017 at 09:07 (2,656 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Post# 915512 , Reply# 14 1/13/2017 at 14:33 (2,656 days old) by Sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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As much as I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt to FCA, a diesel engine idling for several minutes is not out of the ordinary for every day driving. Such as getting stuck at a red light, getting stuck in a traffic jam, or just warming up the vehicle on a cold morning. And as I recall, it's been common practice for semi drivers to leave their engines idling when going in for a cup of coffee at a truck stop, because it can be (or used to be) too difficult to restart the motors after a brief pause. But maybe those engines were running richer anyway.
What about the blue stuff that Mercedes was using? The urea trick? I thought maybe something was up with the few diesel cars I've seen on the road the past few years. Even some late models seem to be too smelly. I understand diesel also emits too many particulates, which may not contribute to smog but can be a health concern. I don't know if the newer motors have addressed the particulate issue. In Oakland, the port has clamped down on idling trucks and ships. They have to shut off and plug into shore power. This, apparently has dramatically reduced particulates in the air of surrounding neighborhoods. | ||
| Post# 915514 , Reply# 15 1/13/2017 at 14:38 (2,656 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
 I sometimes think all the negative diesel hoopla is just a ploy to keep selling gasoline because diesels are so much more efficient and use less fuel.
Not only do they use less fuel, but they also have a potential of having more fuel options than petroleum. I don't know if this is the case with current diesel engines, but older cars can apparently be quite successfully converted to run on cooking oil. (IIRC they still need "regular" diesel to start, but once running/warmed up, they can switch supplies.) We certainly can't have anything that might liberate us from petroleum industry. That would be unthinkable!
I'm not 100% sure of this, but I know that one transit company in my area uses CNG to run their busses. I am assuming the engines are standard diesel engines that were converted.
I, myself, have never owned a diesel, but the fuel savings are appealing... I knew someone who had a VW TDI that he loved, and he mentioned that he got fuel economy very much in line with one of the many hyped hybrids running about, but had a much nicer car in his opinion. | ||
| Post# 915557 , Reply# 16 1/13/2017 at 19:01 (2,656 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Yes John, the cng system is added to a regular diesel engine. | ||
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Post# 915572 , Reply# 17 1/13/2017 at 22:43 (2,656 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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VW is working on an electric version of its venerable microbus. The concept vehicle is quite lovely, has huge power (like over 300 HP) and can do 0-60 in something like five seconds. Plus it has nearly a 300 mile range on a full charge, and can recharge to 80% in 30 minutes on the right charger setup.
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