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Post# 916150   1/18/2017 at 03:21 (306 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Guys, I have a question for you. just a quick research.

What if an american company decides to launch a new washer that looks almost like a Maytag wringer?

Details:

Round body
All made of plastic, to be lightweight and because it would be absurdly expensive to have a metal body and shipping would be absurd.
No wringer (because of horror stories from the past and "millenials that would intentionally cause accidents only to sue the company)
No spin cycle. (it only washes, no spin at all)
White body*
Turquoise agitator
4 large straight vanes, very simple design
slow and long stokes
casters
Drain Pump
Automatic fill with pressure switch and two water levels.
automatic cycle (fills, agitate wash, drains, fills 1st rinse, agitates, drain, fills 2nd rinse, agitates, drain, off.
drum light (LED hidden under the control panel)
Lighted controls (LED under the graphic membrane)
Allows using super hot water and whatever amounts of bleach without affecting the components.

Many other details to make it look like a vintage washer

*option: Pink body
A sticker on the front (Lucida Handwriting) "Semi-Automatic Washer"
And the most important: >>>>> NOT MADE IN CHINA <<<<<

Average price: $200 including shipping.


How interesting it would be?





Post# 916163 , Reply# 1   1/18/2017 at 06:21 (306 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

What use is a washer that can't spin or wring the load?And its PLASTIC to seal the deal!!Wouldn't buy.USELESS!

Post# 916167 , Reply# 2   1/18/2017 at 06:38 (306 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
New Plastic Washer?

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Interesting, But it sounds pretty useless.

 

Keep in mind that a porcelain coated steel tub may be cheaper to build than plastic and is very little heaver.

 

A long stroke agitation is much harder on clothing than a shorter faster stroke, especially with a regular agitator with big fins.


Post# 916169 , Reply# 3   1/18/2017 at 06:57 (306 days old) by LowFlow (New York)        

No. He's got a point. Very retro for the right home. And cool looking.

Spin cycle would be a requirement (millenials would be lost with wet laundry and the rest of us would be inconvenienced).

A washer at that price point would sell, spin cycle or not, though it would be a pain to dry.

That said, Energy star it wouldn't be. (I would think)


Post# 916180 , Reply# 4   1/18/2017 at 08:12 (306 days old) by yoblount (TX)        
How large?

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How large would said machine be? Full size or compact?
If compact, I think there would be too much competition with compact and ultra compact twin tubs. No spin dryer would be a deal breaker for me.

If offered in full capacity then one would also need to consider the purchase price of a full size spin dryer. Those are not cheap.

Personally, I do not believe such a machine would sell very well.


Post# 916200 , Reply# 5   1/18/2017 at 10:03 (306 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

I also think a spin cycle would be a requirement, no one is going to buy a full size washer that doesn't spin the clothes out. What about an all plastic machine that fills, does a timed wash, signals the end of the wash, is then drained and shifted manually into a spin cycle, shifted back into agitate mode etc. Clear locking lid for safety during the spin cycle. Again, $200 or less price point. Semi automatic that will do anything an automatic washer will.

Post# 916202 , Reply# 6   1/18/2017 at 10:12 (306 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Why not just put a freakin wringer on it? Without some way to extract the water from the clothing this machine would be useless. I personally think that there would be a market for a revival of the traditional wringer washer, albeit small. When Lehmans was still selling the Home Queen wringer washer that was a Speed Queen spin off made in Saudi Arabia they seemed to find a market for them, even though they didn't have a pump, which would also be essential. And I have to agree with Tom, using plastic instead of porcelain enamel would be a false economy. Do it right, or just don't bother.
Eddie


Post# 916218 , Reply# 7   1/18/2017 at 12:42 (306 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Guys, the problem is that I'm thinking about using a washer that already exists in Brazil (Mueller Plus)

Whatever changes that involves "design", also involves molding costs (molds are absurdly expensive) and we would have to change the production line too much.

All the changes I planned were ina way that no different molds will be needed.

Every gram counts when the product is sold only online and 100% of the units are shipped by FedEx or UPS. a porcelain tub would add several lbs to the washer. Nobody would buy it knowing that the shipping cost is almost $300.

Also, make it with porcelain would require presses, an oven (we don't have it in our plant, the oven was demolished 30 years ago).

The capacity will be "modern" full size (almost twice than a Maytag Wringer)

Yes, we sell spin dryers and we already have a matching spin dryer for it (Nina Soft, make it with the same design and color scheme)

The appeal i'm thinking is design (vintage look), cleaning power (it really cleans even the nastiest clothes) and more than decent rinses (no it will not be high efficiency)



Also, if we make it spin it would be a fully automatic washer then we would have to follow the Eco-nazi rules (make it high efficiency, impeller instead of an agitator, 2 tablespoons of water for rinsing), plus all the costs... (I would have to design a whole new washer from scratch).


A huge problem we have nowadays is the competition with chinese crap. Competitors already have those twin tubs for $49 free shipping. (but luckily people are discovering those mini TTs are crap.
We have a mini washer, no spin dryer, made in our plant in China. I designed it from scratch and it is good (at least reliable). But we're almost selling it for less than the cost, because "millenials" don't care about quality, they just want to pay cheap, cheap and cheap.

Some people even email me asking if we can make a version without the "15-minute kitchen timer" to make it cheaper. Then i mention the motor is made in USA, the plastic is DuPont made in USA and the washer is just assembled in China they ask "well if you made it in china it would be cheaper and it would be better for my wallet"

I mention about the 3-year unlimited warranty (we don't fix the products, if it fails, we will ship a brand new unit for free) then people ask if we can give a discount if they buy without the warranty.


This new washer i'm thinking about giving a 6-year unlimited warranty. Because I know it is made to last at least 20 years and the breakage rate is lower than 1%


And before you ask, the plastic is really thick, thicker than a Rubbermaid trash dumpster.



Post# 916222 , Reply# 8   1/18/2017 at 13:02 (306 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

"Why not just put a freakin wringer on it?"

Because nowadays people have personal trainers and personal lawyers.

One would see the wringer and immediately think "hummm i can buy this washer and have an accident with it, break one or two fingers and sue the company in a few millions. Easy money!"


Post# 916223 , Reply# 9   1/18/2017 at 13:04 (306 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Thomas, I think you have some interesting ideas and when I read your last post I can really see that your idea may have a real place in less developed areas. If you use really heavy weight plastic this could work out well, but I do think it would be essential to market this washer with the option to purchase a companion spin drier, or a manual wringer for the more cost conscious, but you do need to provide some way to extract the water. After reconsidering your idea I think you could be on to something.
Good luck with your endeavor!
Eddie


Post# 916224 , Reply# 10   1/18/2017 at 13:17 (306 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

recently we had to pay for a broken nail...
the user put the hand in the tub and touched the impeller (Miniwash) with the washer running and had a broken NAIL!


A week later we had a lawyer knocking at our door.

The judge understood it's quite stupid to do that and we didn't have to pay anything. but you know... its a "Millenials" world, we don't want to take the risk.


Post# 916269 , Reply# 11   1/18/2017 at 18:31 (305 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

I suppose at that point one might put a hybrid between the manual wringer that the stereotypical Hoover washer had and the powered wringers that Maytag and others had: make the wringer with the springs that release super quick if a person's fingers or something else is in there, but don't make them powered by the motor, the person has to hand crank it.

It would be hard to explain to the judge *why* the person cranking the wringer decided it was a good idea to do so, when someone else's finger(s)/hair (or their own) was caught. But I won't place bets, 'cuz someone might do that anyway.

Anyway, my vote is that it's too annoying to remove stuff from a wringer washer without wringing it, water everywhere and American homes are not designed to just direct the water on the floor to a drain unless you are in the basement. I think that's why twin-tubs were so popular, moving the clothes from the wash to the spinner was easier and less messy than from a washer to a separate spin dryer.

The other thing I like about twin-tubs is that one can *rinse* in the spinner (and I like the spinners that let me do whatever I want, spray rinse or fill the spinner with water then spin).

The twin tubs from China are getting better, I like the Panda (I think is the brand) thing (11 lbs wash, 6 lbs spin) I got to play with. It would be even better if it let me spin the full 11 lbs load. Or even better, if it had a 16 pound wash and spin capacity.

Cheers,
-- Paulo.



Post# 916274 , Reply# 12   1/18/2017 at 18:46 (305 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

The matchin spin dryer is a "big ass" spin dryer and can spin the load all at once. Just place it next to the washer.

Ok, you will need to squeeze the clothes manually after the cycle is done, or wait something around 5 minutes to let the clothes drip enough to be removed from the washer without making a huge mess. In both cases there will be no more than a few drops on the floor.


Post# 916275 , Reply# 13   1/18/2017 at 18:52 (305 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

maing a wringer involves dealing with metal parts.... we don't have a press available to "stamp" metal parts.

Also, to connect the wringer in the washer it would need to change molds... Cost speaks louder... it's actually screaming.

A tub mold (it is tub, feet, motor compartment, 90% of the washer) costs something around 100k dollars. it is absurd to discard a mold that already exists only because of a minimal design change.

Shipping also counts. We're on the limit. if we could touch the molds, I'd make the washer legs 1 inch sorter to save something around $15 per unit shipped. because of a silly inch, the box dimensions puts the shipment on a different tier.


Post# 916277 , Reply# 14   1/18/2017 at 18:58 (305 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Nix on the plastic

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plastic is for toys.

 

What about the electric motor to run it? Would it be USA made? Would it be Union made? Would it have bearings that could be lubricated?

 

Or would it be made in a right-to-work-for-less-state?

 

The agitation stroke would need to be 225 degrees, in fact  you could call it the "deuce and a quarter" agitation stroke!

 

Think of the marketing advantages!


By jove, this may well get off the ground!


Post# 916282 , Reply# 15   1/18/2017 at 20:04 (305 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Wringer idea is dead, no go, forget it, won't happen, zip, nil, nada, move on.

In the USA at least the liability issue would cause few to risk even distribution, much less manufacture and sales. First time anyone (especially if a child) was harmed the wounded and or his guardians would get all lawyered up, and it would be off to the races.

Leaving aside the liability issue you'd have to find another substance for the wringer rollers instead of rubber. Petrol and or chemicals derived from same will attack rubber. In the heyday of wringers, mangles and conventional washing machines soap was still king of laundry day. In later years Maytag and others that continued with wringer washers into the 1950's and 1960's must have found something else to make the rollers from (that wouldn't be harmed by detergents), and or ways to lessen the potential damage.

Probably the best system for this new design is one already thought of by Unimac; a twin tub washer/extractor. This or simply selling the units separate; washer and extractor.

Cannot speak for outside of the USA but American housewives and pretty much everyone else that does laundry have largely rejected any sort of semi-automatic washing machines. Those that do and or remain supply a niche market that likely won't grow very much. If California's drought kept on for a few more years that could have sparked large scale interest in semi-automatics out of concerns for water savings; but they've got plenty of water out there now.


Post# 916283 , Reply# 16   1/18/2017 at 20:28 (305 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

The motor won't be USA made, but Brazilian WEG (among the best motor brands in the world) not those "citrus press" motors made in China. (also strong as hell)

The transmission is old school metal, same design used for over 60 years in Brazil and that darn thing lasts forever.

The agitation strokes are slow and long. have I heard anybody saying 225° it rang a bell on my memories... (Probably the engineer that designed the first version of this washer got some "Ctrl C ctrl V" from American wringers.

In fact, when the "Mueller Pioneira", the very first mueller (still made of wood) was created 60 something years ago, it was "Ctrl C Ctrl V inspired" on a Miele washer.

Due to environmental laws in Brazil, they stopped making it of wood (only in 2001). A fiberglass version was created in 1978 but the people wanted the original wood body. the fiberglass version started to sell ok only after they stopped making the wood ones.
When they were forced to stop making them using wood, there were protests in front of the factory. People still wanted the original. It was the very first washer 100% designed and built in Brazil.

In other words, Mueller couldn't do much on that model, because every tiny detail they changed made the customers pissed off because that machine is almost a "historical monument"

When mueller had to switch from fiberglass to plastic (PP), a couple of years ago, they used a different strategy... they clearly stated: dear consumer, we know you want fiberglass and wood, but we can't anymore. the environmental laws won't let us make them using those materials. Labor laws won't let our employees deal with fiberglass anymore. So in a few months we will be forced to change it. If you want a Plus made of fiberglass exactly like the vintage ones you have to run and order now. we will stop making them in 6 months. but we promess the modern version will have only the changes that we have to do to comply with the new laws. all the rest will be the same as 60 years ago. We have a deadline and we can't produce not even a single unit after this deadline otherwise we can be fined and the factory can be shut forever, of course we don't want that. so we rented a monster warehouse and we are going to produce fiberglass units 24/7 at full speed for the next 6 months.

Believe it or not, they still receiving "not so polite" emails and calls from customers very angry because they changed the original project of the very first brazilian washer.



My idea of making it automatic and full of bells and whistles may work here in the US. In Brazil would be enough to make people request mueller to burn me alive in a plaza, just like the inquisition years.


Post# 916284 , Reply# 17   1/18/2017 at 20:41 (305 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Another idea I just had: a "reuse water" button.

When activated, it will turn of the pump. the washer will follow the whole cycle without draining and refilling and then shut off, allowing the user to remove the clothes and reuse the suds for a second load.


Post# 916289 , Reply# 18   1/18/2017 at 21:14 (305 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Well I have to insist

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that it be made in a factory with union representation. IBEW in fact.

 

I can't budge on this negotiation point.

 

My father may be gone, but his union spirit lives forever. So in a way, he lives forever.


Post# 916291 , Reply# 19   1/18/2017 at 21:23 (305 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

I'm not sure the market here would care for a lot of automatization. They can get a small automatic washer already, less than $500, right?

The market you are competing in (apart from people like us that buy such things to play with or have in a collection) is apartment buildings (where people *can't* make *any* mess, or even *have* a washer, and more than a couple of cups of water falls on the floor and don't get immediately mopped up, it will show up on the ceiling in the apartment below) and people in RVs and boats. An even smaller market, almost zero, but still there, are people who live in farms and/or rural areas with well water or (semi-)desert and they *need* to save water by reusing wash and rinse water (and hence do *not* want automation) and preppers (people who "prepare" for the end of the world, if you understand what I mean).

Either way, even the twin tubs with pumps (which make as little mess as possible) get people to demote the star rating at places like Amazon, because the machines will put a tablespoon or two of water on the floor because of the way the impeller sometimes throws the water at the washer lid and it leaks a bit.

If I remember right, you were telling us about a customer that complained the spinner let water on the floor because they had no idea they had to put a bowl to catch the water?

So, yes, I think even the spinners in US would have to have a pump too to gain wide acceptance.

People in US, in general, do not see laundry as a task like cooking, which, hard work or not, at the end you eat. They think it's a thankless task to be avoided -- I know people who *have* a washer and dryer in their basement *and* are on a tight budget and the minute they find out an extra $20 bucks they send laundry to the wash&fold laundromat around the corner so they don't have to do it.

Cheers,
-- Paulo.


Post# 916502 , Reply# 20   1/20/2017 at 08:51 (304 days old) by yoblount (TX)        
Spin Dryer

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Thomas
Not to hi-jack this thread, but what model is this "big-ass" spin dryer?
I checked the Laundry Alternative website and found a 22-lb spin dryer. Is this the one?

With all of this talk about spin dryers/centrifuges I am now thinking about getting one. Lol

BTW, I have the Super Compact automatic washer and just LOVE it! I use it weekly to wash my "too small for the front loader" loads of gym clothes/socks, and dog bedding. Just carry it over to the sink and wash away.


Post# 916651 , Reply# 21   1/20/2017 at 21:56 (303 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Yoblount, the "big ass" spin dryer is the Mega.

It's the largest capacity household spin dryer in the World until now (as far as we know). That thing is really big and can spin even a king size blanket or the load from a full size washer.

I also love the SCAW. It wasn't designed by me, but right now I'm designing its 2nd generation.
The new SCAW 2ndGen will hit the market in 2 months, will have the same cosmetic design but "only" 7 new "old school" automatic cycles added to it.

I also added a spray rinses and 2 other "HE dumb down" cycles that i obviously hate but you know... I HAD to do it.

The spin speed was also increased to 1100 RPM

Not sure yet on the SCAW but we are also planning to increase the full warranty to 5 years instead of only 3. Just like a Shark vacuum cleaner, if something goes wrong with the product, even the shipping is covered, no questions asked.

I know for sure that 3 other models that are going to be launched soon (LAX, ORD, PHX) will have the 5 year full warranty as standard and the JFK will come with 8-year full warranty.



Post# 916671 , Reply# 22   1/21/2017 at 00:46 (303 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

If the machine is to be plastic-very large injection molding machines would be required.And the rate of consumption of plastic pellets to feed the molders would be high.-Yes,the metal would be cheaper-and would last longer.WEG is an EXCELLENT motor brand.They also build generators.Have some WEG 3,15 Hp motors here at work.They are used as blower motors(15Hp)in our older transmitters.The Westinghouse motors are no longer available.The 3 hp WEG is used for roof vent blower-fan motors.The WEG motors last a long time-very little trouble from them.Would recommend this brand HIGHLY.Grainger now stocks WEG products.And on the WEG 15Hp motors-the grease nipple is covered-so no dirt or dust can get into it.Esp when used for a blower motor.

Post# 916746 , Reply# 23   1/21/2017 at 11:13 (303 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

"If the machine is to be plastic-very large injection molding machines would be required"

The partner company that makes or washers in Brazil has the huge injectors for years. Don't forget they even have a front load washer 100% plastic and the washer is great. Switch to metal would require heavy investments on heavy machines. Porcelain is even worse because they'd need to rebuild the oven and using the oven wouldn't be allowed in Brazil anymore because of the environmental laws. (only companies that don't have a greener alternative can have an oven) The total cost would be several millions of american dollars and the result will be a washer that can rust someday. Plastic NEVER rusts.

Mueller is famous in Brazil because of the high quality and technology they use to make the products really reliable and long lasting. It's completely different than a "chinese crap" that smells like burnt just right after unboxed. In Brazil it is not difficult to find Mueller washers that were made on 1980's and they still look like new and never failed. Mueller washers are known for being "really built to last"

The plastics used by Mueller never rusts (of course like all plastics) but it also never yellows (well, it does, but it starts after decades), and is affected (starts to bubble and crack) only if the washer is left exposed to extreme sunlight (like installed outside in California "sunbathing" all day long) for years)


Post# 916750 , Reply# 24   1/21/2017 at 11:24 (303 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Note*

In Brazil, due to the environmental laws since 1998 nobody makes washers with porcelain. there is an alternative to porcelain (stamped stainless steel or injected plastic), so the manufacturers were forced to deactivate their ovens.

If somebody makes a washer using porcelain, the factory will be fined per day the oven is on, the product will never receive the "PROCEL" label, because it wasn't built using green techniques and if a unit is found in a store, the store is also fined for selling a "non green" washer. and the fine is per unit in stock.

On the other hand, manufacturers like Schmidt, Germer, Porcelanosa and Oxford (famous and traditional companies that make "china" dinner sets), can have their huge ovens to burn the porcelain because there is no other way to make such unique "high end" plates, cups and saucers and cast iron pans. So the government authorizes them using their ovens, but there's a rigid control and the ovens are inspected once a month. and they have to pay a HUGE tax for having the oven.


Post# 916882 , Reply# 25   1/22/2017 at 05:54 (302 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Laws Against Making Porcelain Washer Parts In Brazil

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If this is true it is absolutely stupid, A goverment should never regulate how a product is made, but rather only energy usage of the product { and people think the EPA is bad in the US, LOL ]

 

Porcelain Enamel coatings can and are very ecological and cheap to manufacture if companies invest in modern safe furnaces to manufacture parts. Whirlpool is still making millions of PE wash baskets a year, and SQ makes all there top load washer outer tubs with PE coatings.

 

Porcelain coated steel is much more recyclable than plastic when a product reaches the end of life.

 

Porcelain enamel is not likley to ever go away in home appliances, range tops, oven liners to name two uses that can not be easily replaced. And of course making Glass, Dinnerware, Ceramic Tile, Sinks & Bath Tubs, Toilets and the list could go on and on of things that need high temperature ovens to produce.


Post# 916886 , Reply# 26   1/22/2017 at 06:24 (302 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

John--You hit the nail on the head and drove it in with one blow!!!Long live PE!!!!Down with crappy mold and mildew-odor absorbing plastic!Dumb regs in that area where PE can't be made.

Post# 916948 , Reply# 27   1/22/2017 at 14:29 (302 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

It's sad, but true and also ridiculous... The government in Brazil thinks everybody is stupid and needs regulation for everything.

In Brazil nobody (Not even Whirlpool) can make appliances with PE.

And also, even if there was no regulation regarding the ovens, the cost to operate an oven is absurd because fuels and electricity are absurdly high in Brazil.

At the end, price speaks louder. Manufacturers that use metal prefer to use stamped stainless steel (the raw material is super cheap and the process is a lot simplified.

On the other hand, thanks to the limitations imposed by the government, the technology on plastics is much more advanced and cheap in Brazil. The Brazilian plastic tubs don't "yellow", don't stain when you wash a load of jeans and they don't absorb odors. (In fact that's not a rocket science, but adding different polymers that change the properties to make the plastics better and much more resistant. I don't understand why American companies don't do the same. The technology already exists!

I'd think twice before buying an American washer with plastic drum (it's acceptable, but quality could and should be a lot better), i'd never buy anything "chinese" made of plastic (except when i have the chore to test the competitor's models), but I'd buy a Brazilian plastic appliance for my personal use without thinking twice because I know the quality is much different. (four members here sent me emails after I created this post and they said the SuperPop's plastic is really different and resistant.)

And also, there's the customer factor... millenials would look at a porcelain machine and say "WTF? this is so old, my grandparents had something like that. I want the other one made with modern materials that look like an iPhone."



Post# 917243 , Reply# 28   1/23/2017 at 23:39 (300 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Mega Spin Dryer

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Have been looking at that "jumbo" spin dryer for awhile now, but just cannot get myself to pull the trigger.

Reviews are all over the place but upshot seems to be the older spin dryers by LA (with metal basket) were better.

As for blankets IIRC the directions in owner's manual states not to put them in this spinner. Since wanted a larger spin dryer for just that reason that gave pause as well. www.amazon.com/Laundry-Al...

Will keep looking out for a used small capacity Bock or Montex extractor. Have waited this long and am in no huge rush. While the older Miele isn't good for bulky items like blankets, Lavamat has no issues. Then there is always the Maytag wringer washer. Failing either of those two final option is putting the blanket through hand powered mangle. Have done it before......


Post# 917256 , Reply# 29   1/24/2017 at 03:20 (300 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

I put that instruction as a "millenial safety measure".

The instruction should be a little bit different:

"If you were born after 1998, NEVER try to spin a blanked in this spin dryer because you probably don't know the difference between a blanket and an "ultra fluffy Californinan king size duvet", then you will try to toss a duvet that is visibly 5 times bigger than the spin dryer and will return the product and write a horrible review saying the description at Amazon.com is wrong."


The mega is the largest capacity household spin dryer in the world (4x a Nina Soft). "normal" people can use it to spin blankets and even a "normal" king size duvet.


Post# 917258 , Reply# 30   1/24/2017 at 03:28 (300 days old) by brucelucenta (Italy)        

If a modern Maytag wringer appeared on the market it would just sit there because no one would buy it other than perhaps a very few very eccentric individuals.

Post# 917261 , Reply# 31   1/24/2017 at 03:42 (300 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

And of course you are old enough to have a brain and know that when you're spinning a blanket you must stop the spin dryer after 3 seconds to have time enough to drain the container, unless the container is really big because there will be at least 2 gallons of water.


Think of the number of people yelling at me on the phone because of a flooded floor to justify editing the user manual.

It may sound funny but it's actually tragic.


Today I spend over 1 hour on the phone with a customer in NY that has a Super Compact Automatic Washer. It was nice to finally answer a call from somebody that REALLY UNDERSTANDS about laundry. When he said he returned a modern top loader (Maytag or Kenmore maybe) and got a brand new Speed Queen "because i want quality", I immediately asked if he new this website. He started to laugh. He's also a member here. It was a very pleasant conversation and I ended up telling him about some new products that will arrive on the next 2 months and I never mentioned here.

He bought his washer second hand a couple of days ago and it came with a minor cosmetic crack. He was a impressed with our warranty procedures and of course loved it. We don't care if it's a big or a small problem. if anything isn't 100% ok, we won't even try to fix the product. We replace it immediately by a brand new one at absolutely no cost for the customer.

If the customer simply doesn't like the product after using it, we will refund 100% f the order (even the shipping), no questions asked.

If was funny to hear the customer saying "but it is not a malfunction of a defect i bought the washer used and the seller even gave me a discount because of the crack. I want to buy the part to fix it and pay for it" and I said "I'm sorry, sir, we won't sell you a replacement part, we insist on sending you a brand new washer and you will not spend a dime".

Tell me, what company in the USA has a warranty policy like this? 3 years on all models (soon 5, 8 and 10 years depending on the model) that even if you call us and say "oh, there's a 1 milimeter scrach on the lid", we will immediately send you a brand new product without procrastinating.


Post# 917265 , Reply# 32   1/24/2017 at 04:01 (300 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Bruce, but that's the idea...

I don't think this washer will be a best seller like the WonderWash or the Nina Soft. it will just be "cool" product for an specific target.

If we sell only 100 units per month that's more than perfect. (we sell 900 WonderWash/month and growing).

When I started working at TLA I thought the WonderWash was the silliest crap ever, and I couldn't understand how could so many people love that "jar with a crank" until my boss forced me to try the unit he gave me and was forgotten in my car's trunk for over 2 months.
I had to swallow my ego and admit the WonderWash is really wonderful. That little thing goes against everything I learned in college and all those years designing washers.

Even sneakers came out perfect! No matter how nasty and stained the clothes are, they clean in 2 minutes.


Post# 965628 , Reply# 33   11/2/2017 at 14:59 by wringer (x)        

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Post# 965672 , Reply# 35   11/2/2017 at 20:09 by iej (Ireland)        

It probably would breech all sorts of present day US and EU safety standards. You'd have to have some kind of system to feed the clothes safely into the wringer without risk to fingers.

Post# 965732 , Reply# 36   11/3/2017 at 07:42 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
If people dont have sense enough

Not to let a kid around a wringer washer, they should be run thru it feet first!!LOL, It amazes me the total lack of common sense in the world today, I'm going to get a good wringer washer one of these days, hopefully a Norge.

Post# 965737 , Reply# 37   11/3/2017 at 08:01 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Since this old thread has been resurrected...

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Will say it again; Satan will be placing an order for fur coats before wringer washing machines ever make any serious return to the market.

Consumer Reports and others couldn't wait to kill off the things, nor did they stop after around the 1950's or so reminding women there simply were far safer (and better) ways to get through wash day.

Even *IF* anyone thought about reintroducing a wringer washer design, it is almost all but certain the *suits* (attorneys) would strongly caution against any such venture. Just one child or adult is maimed or suffers any sort of injury from a modern incarnation of wringer washer, and said company will be sued off face of earth.

Leaving all that aside, wringer washers just aren't very practical for most households, nor very energy efficient.

Unless wash water is reused (something many find gross), wringer washers like all top loaders of old use lots of water.

Next power wringers at best equaled around 200rpm spin speed. Unless that laundry is going to be hung to dry you will need a very powerful dryer to bake out all that moisture so things dry in a reasonable amount of time. Don't know off hand but does anyone still make dryers that reached the high temps of some units of old?





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