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Thread Number: 68988
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
Using Cascade Fryer Boil Out |
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| Post# 917822 1/27/2017 at 09:34 (2,637 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
I finally emptied my FREE tub of Cascade pacs so I decided to purchase a case of the Fryer Boil Out because my stash of STPP is almost gone. Honestly it was a pain in the neck adding it each load so I figured I'd give the FBO a try. Well I love it...it works great. I assume it has chlorine in it? Certainly smells like it...
My main question is on dosage...should I fill the cups in my KDS-21 like I did with Cascade Complete or use less? Many reviews I've read said to use less but the reviewer didn't state how old their machine was either. Just curious if filling the cups is too much. Thanks! | ||
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| Post# 917860 , Reply# 2 1/27/2017 at 16:34 (2,637 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 917870 , Reply# 3 1/27/2017 at 18:33 (2,637 days old) by DADoES  (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 917871 , Reply# 4 1/27/2017 at 18:42 (2,637 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 917897 , Reply# 5 1/27/2017 at 21:35 (2,637 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN) |
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| Post# 917927 , Reply# 6 1/28/2017 at 07:14 (2,636 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Awesome...yeah it must have chlorine in it...though I can't tell by reading the box..doesn't specifically state anything chlorine lol. But I'm not a chemist.
I used a little less last night...filled the cups about half and it still worked great. I'm really liking it. I bought it from Officesupply.com. It was a case of 6 85oz boxes for $56 with free shipping. Not bad at all. | ||
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Post# 917955 , Reply# 7 1/28/2017 at 09:38 (2,636 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Official ingredients list
The sodium dichloroisocyanurate dihydrate is a source of constant chlorine. The tripolypentasodium phosphate is what we simple folks like to call STTP.
And that, my dears, is the reason you should not be buying enormous, heaping quantities of this stuff to store for months and months on end. Buy the six-pack with five other persons, use it and order more of the fresh product just before it runs out.
Anyone who wonders why can look it up in our endless discussions on what STTP turns into very, very quickly. That horrible, no good, useless TSP! (That was snark, ladies, we all know I've long defended the TSP option for automatic dishwasher detergent when STTP was not readily available).
The other ingredients are self-explanatory. I'd expect this to cake up big time if not kept very dry and used very, very quickly.
At 7% available phosphate, I'd also expect even the nastiest Whirlpool piece of shit BOL builder's grade dishwasher to deliver perfect results.
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| Post# 917964 , Reply# 8 1/28/2017 at 10:47 (2,636 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 917978 , Reply# 9 1/28/2017 at 12:35 (2,636 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Joeypete, It's not bad - Laundress clarified this in great detail a while back, it's just one of those things where the true-believers foam at the mouth. STTP becomes TSP very quickly, and most people who have stockpiled it are really using TSP whilst singing the praises of STTP.
What is true is that, under certain circumstances, with some types of mineral-laden hard water, in some machines using neutral drain, with some types of soap/detergent/fabric softener and too cool wash water, it can happen, at times, that a nearly impossible to remove precipitate might, occasionally, possibly result from using TSP.
Having used it for years and years and years and never, ever having had the problem, I advocated for it's use a while back and an Imperial Queen and her court just went nuclear about it.
Of course STTP is preferable - but anything is better than the phosphate-free trash. | ||
| Post# 919638 , Reply# 10 2/6/2017 at 07:34 (2,627 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Man...
After using it for a while now I have to give some criticism. It cleans just about everything fantastic...the inside of the dishwasher looks brand new. Pots/Pans and baked on stuff however. Awful. The new Cascade has done a much better job. I had to rewash all my pots from yesterday. A little disappointing. This is the first time I've had to do that.
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Post# 919649 , Reply# 11 2/6/2017 at 09:14 (2,627 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Trisodium Phosphate is one of the strongest "mild" alkalis with only sodium metasilicate and perhaps one other being stronger.
Unlike STPP, TSP is a precipitating water softener same as washing soda, modified soda, Borax, etc... Thus it can form scum and needs careful rinsing. TSP is also far stronger than STPP which is why it was used to for heavy duty cleaning such as walls, floors, locomotives, etc... TSP if not used properly can damage some metals. Besides not being a non-precipitating water softener, TSP does not have the ability to dissolve lime soap scum/deposits from textiles like STPP or SHTP. TSP was used back in the day for laundry but so was washing soda. In both cases this was largely before automatic washing machines. When using wringers, conventional washing machines, hand washing etc.. laundry is lifted *out* of the TSP/soap laden water and wrung/extracted. This means a good part of the scum, muck and whatever else was left in the wash tub. With automatic washing machines depending upon how they rinsed water drained down through the wash caused textiles to act as a strainer. Many of these warning, rules or what have you came about when soap was queen of laundry day. With the arrival of detergents things changed especially as modern fully automatic washing machines evolved. | ||
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Post# 919654 , Reply# 12 2/6/2017 at 09:49 (2,627 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Laundress, Thank you. It's astonishing what creatures of habit we all are. Except for the cast iron, high-carbon steel knives and aluminium, everything goes into the dishwasher. No pre-rinsing or soaking or scrubbing. Really good dishwasher detergent and TSP together with 165ºF water and an orbital-arm Potscrubber and about one hour later, everything is clean as clean can be.
Every so often I throw in a chlorine-bleach tablet or citric-acid crystals. Clean the sump (those GE filters will, contrary to the opinion of some, stop anything bigger than a MAC truck. Really, they will) regularly. Make sure the spray arm holes and tower-of-power holes are free and clear.
But that's dishwashing. Laundry? I guess we just don't have the minerals here which precipitate out with TSP to form that horrid, nearly impossible to remove gunk. Then again, I always use enough really hot water and detergent (or soap, if I'm in the mood) to actually clean.
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