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Post# 919006   2/3/2017 at 18:27 (500 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

I can't find my old post, but briefly......Some time ago, I had posted lamenting about no lint filters in modern TL washing machines. Some suggested going to a FL, which creates less lint, which I was resistant to because I had two FL previously that did not seem to perform well. Some ideas and tips were put out there for me to think about, and I've been researching my butt off.

So I took the leap and found a FL with an onboard heater. I narrowed down my search to LG, because LG offered a mini-washer, the Sidekick, that we could add later, so I could do two loads at once! After calling everywhere to try to find something used, the last call was to Lowe's. They had an LG TrueSteam in the "scratch and dent" section for $500. Seemed reasonable since this particular machine retails for $999, and used FL with steam on CL were priced around $400.

So we get there and finally find the machine back in a corner. It looked great and had loads of wonderful features, like Delay Start, steam, Sanitize, 6-way agitation, Speed Wash, 4.5 cf capacity and a thousand ways to customize cycles. As I was looking over the machine, my husband motioned for me to come to him. He was pointing down to a Sidekick on the floor, also in the scratch and dent section, and the price tag was $200! This little sucker retails for $500+, so we were flabbergasted. Why wait to buy it?? How long would it be before another one showed up? Never mind that they weren't the same color!! I didn't care! LOL.

So we picked up the price tag of each and went to the manager to offer $400 for the FL. We were putting it all on our Lowe's card, so we would get special financing anyhow. So the manager says, "oh, you are going to buy both? Ok, I'll do $400 for the FL and $100 for the Sidekick. I nearly fell over.

So we brought them home, hooked them up, ran a couple test runs, and they're ready for my full laundry day tomorrow. The Sidekick seemed to fill only with cold water, when it is supposed to fill with Warm when you choose it. I'm going to make another thread about that and see if other owners are experiencing it. I am running my mechanic husband's filthy work jeans, shirts and hoodies tomorrow. I SO hope this machine can handle my hubby's work clothes, or I will have to keep my old Kenmore 90 series on hand.

Post# 919012 , Reply# 1   2/3/2017 at 18:38 (500 days old) by stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Good score!
I wonder if because the sidekick is so small it fills before the hot water makes it from your water heater to the washer. If that was the case you could add a split valve to prime the charge so to speak by running off the cold water sitting in the hot water line into a sink if you have one handy.

Post# 919034 , Reply# 2   2/3/2017 at 20:02 (500 days old) by bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Strickly- I went to the next faucet after the washer and ran it til hot water came out. Perhaps it is not enough?

Post# 919447 , Reply# 3   2/5/2017 at 11:44 (499 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Embarrasingly, this washer is not called the LG TrueSteam. It is the LG Steam with TrueBalance, specifically the WM3670HVA. Duh. Sorry for any confusion that caused!

Update since laundry day: My husband's filthy work jeans came out clean, just as in the Kenmore. Impressive, since my previous FLers did not do well on those jeans (or anything else). I used the Bulky setting (for more water) and steam with Water Plus, a tablespoon of Biz, and a thin slice of white Zote soap. No over-sudsing happened despite the fact that Zote is not HE. I noticed the water had a blue tint to it, so next time I will try it without the steam, just Hot.

His work shirts and hoodies, however, came out with no improvement over being washed in the Kenmore 90 Series, even with steam. I have tried a de-greasing spray on them to no avail. I'm thinking of trying a citrus-based degreaser detergent made for doing laundry. Anyone have any experience with that sort of thing. I could also put a few drops of orange essential oil on a grease spot and see what happens, but not sure the plastic components of the washer would not be adversely affected by essential oils.

Post# 919463 , Reply# 4   2/5/2017 at 13:14 (499 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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congrats on your new pair......

when it comes to hoodies/fleece and odd words, the color of the stain will come out, but the oily stain remains, and most times, will attract stains from the wash water.....

about the only thing that will work, is applying liquid detergent directly to each and every stain, rub in, let set for a bit, and then wash in hottest water the garment can stand....

there are times, we try a bit of everything:
dawn dish soap
Spray Nine
Mean Green

a squeeze ketchup bottle or tin can and paint brush help speed the process...

some automotive/garage greases, just wont come out entirely from some fabrics...

there were times we used WD-40 to dissolve stains, and then something like 409 to remove the WD-40....

note....WD-40 is great for removing gum....or sticker residue

Post# 919472 , Reply# 5   2/5/2017 at 13:40 (499 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Agree with dish soap

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Just put a wee bit on the oily stain and make sure it's coated with the dish soap and rubbed into the stain. This is the ONLY thing I've found to get out oily stains - that and hot water.

Post# 919475 , Reply# 6   2/5/2017 at 13:50 (499 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Thank you, Yogi - I can try rubbing detergent into the stains next....But I am wondering something...if I am using straight detergent, am I risking over-sudsing in the FL?

The T-shirt fabric is 50% cotton / 50% polyester. It must be the polyester holding on to the stains, because the jeans are cotton and I am getting that grease out.

I forgot to mention that I had soaked the hoodies and T-shirts in a Biz and Dawn solution for a couple days.

Post# 919476 , Reply# 7   2/5/2017 at 13:52 (499 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Thanks, Mark - Perhaps I can try Dawn on the hoodies, and straight detergent on the shirts.

Post# 919500 , Reply# 8   2/5/2017 at 16:19 (499 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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You got a terrific deal on your washer(s) - Lowes usually is pretty fair with their S&D pricing and will deal with you if they know you're serious.

I think the water temps of the small washer are probably cooler than you'd think, just like all modern HE washers.

Shout still makes and aerosol spray treatment for oil & grease stains. I've found that not many stores carry it but it can be ordered. I've found this is the only thing that reliably takes out these kinds of stains. Haven't been disappointed yet.


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Post# 919544 , Reply# 9   2/5/2017 at 18:21 (498 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I don't think you will run into a problem unless you put too much. A little dollop rubbed into an oily stain won't cause that - at least it never has when I've done it. Now, if you have multiple articles of clothing with oily stains and put some dish soap on each of them, that might.

I haven't used SHOUT in forever. That picture of Shout instantly makes me think of my Grandma - my grandfather was a mechanic and when she washed his uniforms, she sprayed Shout all over them - I can never forget that smell of Shout.

I have a bottle of Spray n Wash that I've put on oily stains before but it has NEVER worked as well as using a little dish soap.

Post# 919589 , Reply# 10   2/5/2017 at 22:15 (498 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Ammonia and HOT water with good detergent!  I've gotten paraffin wax out of clothes this way ( I don't mean wax ON the clothes, I mean soaked INTO the fibers of the clothes).  Motor oil, cooking oil, bacon all comes out when I use a generous dose of ammonia and hot water and Fresh Start powder and sometimes Dawn right on the spot.  No oversudsing issues either and I have softened water.

Post# 919591 , Reply# 11   2/5/2017 at 22:40 (498 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Congrats on the purchases.

I've found that Shout solid stick (like deodorant, lol) got out stains that spray didn't touch. It's important to apply the Shout on both sides of the fabric. Let it sit for a day or two.

I haven't used ammonia on stubborn stains, but I put some in the bleach dispenser for every wash and I've found the day-to-day stains that used to require special treatment no longer do. Credit to Yogitunes for sharing that info with me:-)

I know some people roll their eyes at the mention of this, but I've had good luck with Didi-7. I rub some into the stain with a few drops of water to thin it a bit. Then I dissolve enough for about two toothbrushes (if it were toothpaste) into HOT water and add that to the wash. I always use the hottest temp I think the garment will stand.

Hope this helps,


Post# 919598 , Reply# 12   2/5/2017 at 23:50 (498 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I second the Shout suggestion, I have a few cans I bought way back when and use it on tough oily stains.

Post# 919632 , Reply# 13   2/6/2017 at 07:04 (498 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Askolover - I have tried the ammonia, hot water and good soap to no avail.

Last time I washed the shirts and hoodies in the Kenmore, I used Gain with bleach and was pleased with the results. Though they were not perfectly clean, they came out better than usual. I'm going to have to be careful with the dosing since Gain with bleach is not HE.

I will pick up some Shout.

Hubby's clothing comes home every day with greasy black stains all over, front and back. I am almost sure he rolls around on the shop floor just before leaving work for good measure. I am certain using straight detergent to pre-treat would definitely lead to overdosing, especially in a FL machine. But thank you for the suggestion.

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Post# 919642 , Reply# 14   2/6/2017 at 08:16 (498 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

If washing dosen't help, maybe try getting those items dry cleaned once to get rid of these settled stains.. If those are verry deeply settled grease stains (or any kind of non water soluable substance), dry claning could work wonders on them.

Otherwise there is always the overkill cycle option: Sanitary, steam, pre-wash, water plus, extra rinse, heavy soil level (if these even are all combinable, maybe steam and pre-wash cancel out), a nice detegent, some oxy bleach booster (or chlorine bleach on whites). For the pre-wash maybe something acidic (good amount of vinegar, or a bit of citric acid). That would give you both an acidic and then an alcaline cleaning enviroment, both warm, the latter heated to verry hot temperatures.

In the EU, there is always the possiblity of a desperate boil wash cycle, and I have yet to find a stain that survived a boil wash.

Post# 919812 , Reply# 15   2/6/2017 at 22:58 (497 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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"In the EU, there is always the possiblity of a desperate boil wash cycle, and I have yet to find a stain that survived a boil wash."


Same here Henrik!

Post# 919813 , Reply# 16   2/6/2017 at 23:24 (497 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I don't know if this works, but I remember the commercials when I was younger of a mother pouring this directly on a black grease stain and then washing.  I can't find it in my local stores, but it is still available online and ebay/amazon.  Here's a link to some reviews.  Again, I have never tried it, I just remember it. 


I used to work in a bicycle/lawn mower factory and would come home with some of the nastiest black grease stains on my jeans as did my dad who worked where they made Reynolds aluminum.  Over the years I have tried so many things like Simple Green, Gojo, lighter fluid, Dawn, Fantastic, 409, Castrol Superclean, etc.  When I was working on my diesel truck I read that 100% bio-diesel is an excellent solvent and is environmentally friendly...but I couldn't buy it here.  Hang in there, you'll find what works best.


I've also linked to Clorox website and the has solvents in it:


Post# 919849 , Reply# 17   2/7/2017 at 06:35 (497 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Askolover - Now that you mention it, I remember smelling Lestoil coming from the washing machine when I was growing up. My dad worked on heavy equipment. Her and I don't speak, or I would ask her how it worked out before I go and buy it.

Post# 919879 , Reply# 18   2/7/2017 at 09:49 (497 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

There is this guy on YouTube who runs a laundry service for the oil drilling rigs, and he gets in laundry that looks worse than mine, and it's grease. He throws in a some different powders into a commercial FL machine, and the stuff comes out clean! I have asked him what he is using, but he ain't talking.

Post# 919887 , Reply# 19   2/7/2017 at 10:43 (497 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Lestoil is still available.....and depending on your location, at Walmart of all places....

a lot of times, items like GOOP or Orange Pumice hand cleaner works on removing a lot of stains.....for the most part, these wont suds up.....

I was even going to say to rub with a bar of FelsNaptha or Lava soap.....

its just matter of finding a formula that works.......

Bobbi, where your husband works, do they have hand cleaner he uses to wash his hands, that exact product may work on his clothes as well.....can't hurt


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Post# 919892 , Reply# 20   2/7/2017 at 11:20 (497 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Actually hand cleaner works quite well on grease & oil stains.

Post# 919898 , Reply# 21   2/7/2017 at 11:38 (497 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
That video of that FL washer

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doing the oil rig clothes - Back in 2005, when I first got my FL washer, that's the kind of wash action I expected to see, with water going all over the place, down the glass, as the drum rotated super fast. I remember when I first cranked up my duet and sat and watched it, I was so FREAKING BUMMED OUT! I, as well as many others who got FL washers at that time when they were starting to become popular, I think we were all expecting them to operate the way this one does. I've grown used to it, but I would KILL to have a FL washer like that to do my laundry. LOL

I wonder what's in those powders? It has to be some institutional stuff.

Post# 919904 , Reply# 22   2/7/2017 at 12:39 (497 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I worked in a laundry like that......

and they are some harsh chemicals, that only those sort of machines can handle.....

we had one TL Whirlpool, those chemicals would tear up seals, rubber, and especially pumps on this machine.....

not even sure the supply company carries this stuff anymore, this goes back to was called 'EDWARD DON', and some of the chemicals were:

Hulk Powder/50lb
Boost Liquid/5gal


Post# 919906 , Reply# 23   2/7/2017 at 13:03 (497 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Bruce - I have tried the Goop hand soap. It was a disappointment, especially since it says something about being the best stain remover and it has a picture of clothes hanging on the line. I was bummed.

On the Lestoil -I was over on Amazon reading reviews of the various stain treatments, and noticed Lestoil. Recent comments allude to the formula having been changed, and now it's not the same. Still worth a shot.

Yogi - As far as rubbing soap on the stains, I have tried the Fels-Naptha and even my own homemade lye soap. White Zote soap works best, but it works best if lay the garment down in the tub, pour boiling water on it, soap up all spots with Zote, then scrub with a stiff floor brush. I used to do this. It took me about 1.5 hours to do them all, and it's hard on the lower back and knees. Very soapy too...your skin can get so soft that it tears or rubs away easily. I am trying to find a better way, but maybe there isn't one.

Mark - I freaking KNOW what you mean!! I have again and again watched a YT video of a Bendix Duomatic that looks like it uses plenty of water. I would have loved to own this machine. I watched CL and the classifieds here for a couple months for a vintage FL. Anyhow, there's lots of splashing around in this machine, and the agitation looks it really cleans. LOVE this thing:

And it gets the washing and rinsing done in about 12 minutes. Why can't they duplicate this with modern tech? I do have to say that my LG FL is close to that when I use the Water Plus option. I do get splashing on glass. :)

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Post# 919909 , Reply# 24   2/7/2017 at 13:19 (497 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

The oil rig laundry guy - Yeah,the stuff he's using is probably not suitable for a residential machine. But he could at least tell me, right? :)

Another thing I really like about my machine is that the drum is tilted back just like a Neptune. Seems to me that the tilted drum could hold more (and deeper) water that way, but what would I know? One thing is for least I won't have to worry about the door latch breaking and water pouring out all over like what happened twice with my Samsung FL that had a "straight" drum. In all honesty, I was probably overloading on occasion and that's what ultimately stressed the latch. These newer FL have a lot more capacity.

Post# 919915 , Reply# 25   2/7/2017 at 13:58 (497 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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try as we may, there are some stains, or grease/oily stains that just wont come out....

some automotive greases/oils are beyond stubborn, even to get off auto parts alone....

although, you got me curious, Brake Parts Cleaner, one of the few products that cleans as fast as you can spray it.......

the only issue that would concern me, is any type of oily residue on clothing, and then washed....many machines warn against it...

this one puzzles us like using a cleaning cloth, saturated in a detergent solution, used to clean the house, WHY is it my cloth gets dirty if I am using a concentrated cleaner......most times it only comes clean once it goes through the machine......the world will never know!

Post# 919919 , Reply# 26   2/7/2017 at 14:21 (497 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Front Loaders like there used to be

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the only way this will happen is getting ride of Energy Star program and all related stuff. 

Post# 919921 , Reply# 27   2/7/2017 at 14:48 (497 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Yea, that FL looks GREAT. Like you would see in a laundromat. There's NO question the clothes are clean just watching it. But with the new HE FL washer, you just have to assume with proper laundry habits, that it knows what it's doing. LOL

I'm pretty sure my clothes are clean, they smell good, seemed rinsed well. So I'm not complaining. But if there was a FL washer on the market like that one, it would be my next one (as long as it had a heater)

I remember seeing on some old gardenweb forum topics about the LG Water Plus. I even emailed WP a long time ago asking them to at least add an option to their machines for the user to select if they wanted more water. I got back some canned response. The manufacturers can still add options like that, while the machine can still be Energy Star compliant. But interestingly, some of the newer FL washer cycles use a lot more water on some special cycles than my old Duet does from what I've seen. And my Duet uses a decent amount of water actually. But it's the same amount of water on virtually every cycle except delicate and soak. I'm waiting for my duet washer and dryer to fall apart any moment because in April they are 12 years old. I don't think they could possibly go much longer!

Post# 919969 , Reply# 28   2/7/2017 at 20:20 (496 days old) by bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Yes, Martin. At some point I may have to throw in the towel. :/

Mark -Lol....In that case, maybe you need to start researching what to get next. What features will you be looking for now that youve had a FL all these years? Any ideas on what you'd want next? I am glad to hear your WD is still going after 12 years.

Post# 920094 , Reply# 29   2/8/2017 at 14:15 (496 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Already have and it's definitely going to be

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Either a Whirlpool Duet Or Maytag FL - definitely with a heater and definitely with specialty cycles. From what I understand, my current pedestals on my Duet will fit on these machines. I hope so.

Post# 920465 , Reply# 30   2/10/2017 at 05:33 (494 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Mark- That would be great if you could keep your pedestals.
Good luck with whichever machine you choose!

Post# 920468 , Reply# 31   2/10/2017 at 06:11 (494 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

I have an LG made front loader with all the options and it really does do an exceptional job. It is kind of unnerving to watch as it washes because it really doesn't look like there is enough water to do a good job of cleaning, but it does seem to get everything clean and fresh when it comes out. I always used extra rinses to make sure ALL the detergent is removed. The new generation of front loaders just DO NOT use very much water at all, but it seems to work as intended. Difficult to get used to, since most of us are used to seeing a washer use a lot more water.

Post# 920494 , Reply# 32   2/10/2017 at 09:10 (494 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

I know what you mean, Bruce. Still gun shy from the performance of my previous two FL machines, I find myself always using the Water Plus feature, and that really does make it seem like it is enough water. I am working myself up to not using the Water Plus feature on a load that isn't very dirty. I need to get over what I am sure is just a mental hump.

Another thing that's very important in a FL is a very good detergent that is targeted to the type of dirt in that load. When we bought the FL, we stopped and got Gain HE. Last night I saw someone mention that Gain is really a MOL detergent, but I have also been adding Biz. Today I am going to pick up Persil Pro Clean because it's supposed to be good with removing cooking oil spatters, which I am a magnet for, and Tide Ultra Stain Release, which is supposed to be good for grimy laundry.
What HE detergent(s) do you use?

Post# 920615 , Reply# 33   2/10/2017 at 23:16 (493 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I'm a Tide guy, right now I have a year's supply of pods that I got cheap, but normally I use the powder.  I've used liquid in the past, but never been a real fan of that type of detergent. 


My stuff is not anywhere as soiled as what you are dealing with, So I would suggest doing what you are doing and try different products.  Your water will have an effect on the cleaning process too, and may interact with one detergent better than another.  Good luck, and keep us posted.

Post# 920657 , Reply# 34   2/11/2017 at 05:10 (493 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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We are currently well stocked on Tide Botanical Rain pods with Febreze as I found a case at Big Lots for a good price, same goes for Gain pods Wildflower and Rainfall with Febreze.  Also have All packs with the powder in the middle, and Persil pods.  Am finishing up some Fresh Start powder that does a fabulous job.  But we have used CVS brand (made by Sun) free and clear plenty of times when it was on sale for a giveaway price and it really does an ok job too even on my yard working clothes.  I only switched to pods because Tony tends to overdose the machine with liquids and cause it to over suds and pods don't do that.  But we also use hot 140F (whites) and warm 120F (colors) washes all the time.  We've really not found ANY detergent that didn't do an ok job in our washer.

Post# 920700 , Reply# 35   2/11/2017 at 08:17 (493 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Thanks, MattL. I had read that powders are better for front loaders.
May I ask how/where you got a year's supply of pods cheap? I see that they cost about 25+ cents each, and larger loads require 2, so it makes it seem as though going with pods are expensive. Dollar General has Tide pods for $2 off, so I may jump on that.

It is a real pain to buy these stain remover products and then have them not be effective for my needs. I have been researching to avoid mistakes. I find something that seems to be formulated for my needs, then in the consumer reviews there are complaints that it does not work well. Ugh. Yesterday I told my husband that this may be as good as it ever gets with his T-shirts and hoodies. He doesn't care, but I do.

Right about the water. I have a whole house water softener, so I find I need less detergent than called for - about 2 tablespoons.

Askolover - I stopped at Ollies (similar to Big Lots) last night, and they had very little of anything.
Yes, all detergents I have used, except my DIY detergent, seem to work well for general dirt. I wish I only had general dirt. The one thing I seem to have trouble with outside of my husband's laundry are cooking oil spatters and salad oil on my clothing.
I will not use Cold to do my laundry either.

Post# 920760 , Reply# 36   2/11/2017 at 16:41 (493 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I've used powder since day 1

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Tide, Gain, Sears, Costco Brand HE powder - this is my latest buy, I've been using it for over a year - bought at Sams Club. It's really good stuff. It has a super light scent but it cleans really well. I still use dish soap on oily stains though. Back when I got my Duet, I always heard powders were better for FL washers so that's what I've always used. I also add ammonia to colors and lights, but bleach to whites.

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Post# 920857 , Reply# 37   2/11/2017 at 23:16 (492 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Pods were on clearance 35 pods of $6 and I had $1 coupon.  ( gathered a few more coupons...) Bought 3 or 4 bags, that is a years supply for me, or close to it.

Post# 920998 , Reply# 38   2/12/2017 at 19:11 (491 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Mark - I have to check out the Sears. I see that mentioned as a favorite a lot. There's really a limited selection when it comes to HE powders vs. liquids and pods. Do you know why powders are supposed to be better for FL machines?

Matt - That's quite a deal you got there. Our Dollar General had Tide pods on sale for $2 off the 31 ct. so I got 4 bags. That should probably be enough to last me a year as well.

Post# 921700 , Reply# 39   2/16/2017 at 03:44 (488 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
Oily clothes

If I am not mistaken that Bubbles laundry dude is scooping powder from a regular Kirkland detergent container. Maybe the stuff in the cardboard box is some kind of commercial laundry degreaser.

Post# 921999 , Reply# 40   2/17/2017 at 15:34 (487 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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for people who know how to do laundry properly, I doubt powders vs liquids even matter. But people who do laundry who do not really know what the h!!! they are doing, that's when you run into problems. Using cold water for everything, too much or too little detergent, too much fab softener. Shutting everything up when the laundry is done. Things like that. I've been using powders for a long time so I just continue to do so because I'm too lazy to switch - I'm just used to what dosage of powder to give certain loads I guess is why I continue to use powder.

Post# 922012 , Reply# 41   2/17/2017 at 17:09 (487 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        
Powders vs Liquids

Powders have been used by our family for years, my Mom was introduced to tide powder by a friend a good 30 or 40 years back and we still use tide powder up to this day in our 2 year old Whirlpool duet.

In our old Whirlpool/Inglis top load, we used powder and the results were evident, clothes came out clean all the time, one day we got liquid to try it out and my Mom told me that it would not clean at all, boy was she right, there was a clear difference, clothes seemed dingy and some stains still stayed.

Fast forward to now where we also have a front loader, we did the same test, while the did come out CLEANER with liquid in our duet, the powder still did better. And if i recall, we tried Persil proclean liquid with a load which contained a shirt with ring around the collar and was washed on the normal cycle. It failed to remove it, but as soon as we switched back to the powder it was 100% gone. Adding a funny story, whenever I use anything but tide powder like that one time I used Persil liquid, my mom notices immediately after the load is washed, I don't know how she does it, probably because of the years of use she can tell the results -LOL-

But coming back, personally I think powder does work better than liquid myself just by that ring around the collar shirt. The only exception for use of liquid is when a comforter is being washed, or a load of darks which are washed in either cool or cold.

Post# 922013 , Reply# 42   2/17/2017 at 17:13 (487 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

I've read using powders in front loaders helps to contribute to mold prevention and it seems true, we've had our washer for 2 years and there are no smells, mold - anything.

Post# 922032 , Reply# 43   2/17/2017 at 18:43 (486 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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but there are a lot of people here who use liquid in their FL washers (for years) and do not have mold problems too. I tend to think it's because they know how to do laundry properly, thus they don't have the issues that so many people have with their washers. I think your run of the mill person who just throws it in, turns it on cold, and leaves probably uses liquid. This is sad to say, but I think more people do NOT know how to properly do laundry than there are people who do. I will admit, a long time ago, I did not do laundry properly and used cold water often. But even then I always used hot with whites and bleach as well and it was a TL washer. Most people are not going to come to a forum learning new things about doing laundry because they just do not care. I can't say that a blame them most people hate doing laundry. Even I sometimes dread doing it.

Post# 922048 , Reply# 44   2/17/2017 at 20:21 (486 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Growing up with front loaders and powder detergents in childhood, mold and odors didn't exist. Maybe it is the new enzyme formulations and low wash temperatures that promote biological agents to build up inside modern machines. The use of plastic outer tubs may also contribute to this problem.

Post# 924616 , Reply# 45   3/3/2017 at 08:22 (473 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

Just updating some stuff. I got my hands on some for Shout dupe and have that treated load in now. Will report how that worked out.

Secondly, got my Sidekick fired up this morning to run a small load, and it's a no go. It just beeps and bounces around between cycles. None of the buttons respond, except the Power button, which only responds initially to start the machine. Tried the SmartDiagnosis thing, but since the buttons don't respond when pushed, I cannot get the necessary communication between machine and app.

I can only recommend the Sidekick when you only want to wash in cold and not use bleach with. We tried different things to get the machine to fill with Warm, but it's still ridiculously cold water. The water doesn't even get tepid.

Post# 925343 , Reply# 46   3/6/2017 at 17:58 (469 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania)        

The Spray n' Wash dupe helped, but did not make everything come out stain free as I had hoped. Next on the list to try is a citrus degreaser.

My husband looked at the Sidekick and determined that water had gotten into the electronics board. It seems that sometimes there is a door leak on the LG FL, and this had dripped down onto the Sidekick because I had it pulled out. No more leaving it pulled out. The Sidekick is working now. Whew...I'm relieved.

Post# 925355 , Reply# 47   3/6/2017 at 19:03 (469 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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I have always used Lestoil as a stain removal thing. I use it for general cleaning, once I can open the windows. I want only one that can do all the jobs. Clean paint off your hands, Lestoil and nylon scrubbie, clean this or that, Lestoil. Works for me and thats my clinical test. Your results may vary.

Post# 925678 , Reply# 48   3/8/2017 at 13:33 (468 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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A friend of mine gave me a 2007 LG washer with a broken door hinge. It had corroded to the point of not moving, I was able to fix it by taking it apart and oiling it.

While I rarely use this machine, when I do I always select the "water plus" option along with an extra rinse as it does make a difference in rinsing. Is the water plus option still available on the latest LG models? I would have thought they would have discontinued that now.

Post# 925710 , Reply# 49   3/8/2017 at 16:24 (468 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Water Plus is now only available on their top loaders.

Post# 925788 , Reply# 50   3/8/2017 at 22:41 (467 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

I've been researching LG front loaders and the water plus option is still available on the WM3270 and WM3670 models.

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